Ja, en ik begrijp ook niet waarom die studente het dan over bussen heeft.quote:Op maandag 23 maart 2009 16:44 schreef OUWEFIETS het volgende:
Ooit aan het fenomeen hotelbus gedacht?
omdat ze waarschijnlijk wel met de bus gekomen zijnquote:Op maandag 23 maart 2009 16:48 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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Ja, en ik begrijp ook niet waarom die studente het dan over bussen heeft.
Dat zuigt ze toch niet uit haar duim?
Maar er was toch ook een Beach Festival dat weekend?
Worden daar geen bussen voor ingezet dan?
OK Duikkie. Ik weet niet hoe het bij jou werkt, maar als ik (en de groep waar ik mee was) alle andere avonden uitsluitend met de taxi naar huis ging en op de reis naar huis nooit een bus heb gezien, dan heb ik het de laatste avond niet ineens over een bus.quote:Op maandag 23 maart 2009 17:44 schreef duikkie het volgende:
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omdat ze waarschijnlijk wel met de bus gekomen zijn, en waar ze naar toe liepen was de bushalte
Het vertrek uit Carlos en Charlies ging zo:quote:Joran asks his friend Andre, who is at the casino, if he will accompany him to CnCs. Andre says he cannot because he has an exam the next day (Dos Santos 6/20)
Joran walks outside, calls his father and asks for a ride home. Paul says he will pick him up at McDonalds. Joran then calls his friend Jaimie and asks if he will accompany him to CnCs, but Jaime says he cannot because he has to work the next day. On the way to McDonalds Joran calls Deepak (OTR, J 6/9)
quote:Before the interview/interrogation started the suspect D.S. KALPOE was informed that he was not obliged to answer the questions. and that his statement would be recorded on videotape.
As to your question if I recognised anyone from this group, I can say the following. It was the same group I had seen outside of "Carlos & Charlies". I also remember a boy that walked up to the car and said to Natalee in English "Get out of the car. What are you doing there. Are you crazy". I then drove a little further and stopped in front of the pedestrian crossing near the "Royal Plaza". I then said to the girl that if your friends think it is better that you go with them, you'd better do that. The girl said to me that no, I am staying with you guys. I then called Joran by his name. He did not answer. He was talking to the girl. I called out to Joran again, but now a bit louder. He then said, keep on driving. I then drove in the direction of "Caya G.F. Betico CROES". After that I drove in the direction of the "Renaissance Hotel". There I turned onto L.G. SMITH Boulevard. I proceeded to drive in a Westerly direction. I drove on until we got to the intersection where I had last seen her friends. When we arrived there I saw that they were no longer there. I asked Joran what were were going to do now. The girl said at some point something about "Sharks" and "Lighthouse". That is what I had heard. Joran then said "Lighthouse". I knew at that moment that I had to drive to the "Lighthouse". I rolled up the windows and put the air conditioning on and drove towards the "Lighthouse".
http://www.hollowaycase.comquote:On June 11th 2005, at approximately 17:30 hours, we interviewed the suspect S.S. KALPOE for further information.
I started to get busier at Carlos & Charlies. I assumed that this had to do with the fact that the activity called "Soul Beach" had just ended.
We, Joran, the girl and myself, had walked over to another bar where we had earlier bought the Yards. I had not seen my brother anymore. I saw that Joran and the girl were about to drink a shot. At that point I received a "missed call". I did not hear the phone but felt that I was being called, this was because I had set my mobile phone to vibrate.
I saw that my brother had called me. I know that my brother didn't have any more credit on his mobile phone and had called him back. My brother answered his phone and asked where we were. I told him that we were still inside Carlos & Charlies. He had told me that he was already at his car. I told him that we would come to where he was. I said to Joran that my brother was already at the car and if we were leaving, because Carlos & Charlies was about to close. Joran said that it was OK that we would be leaving and that the girl would be coming with us. We, Joran, the girl and myself, then walked outside. I was still holding my "Yard" in my hand. Outside the girl talked to a group of people. There were approximately 30 people in that group. I did not hear what they were talking about. We then walked over to the car. My brother was standing near the back of the car on the right. I said to my brother we are leaving, because Carlos & Charlies was about to close. My brother had gotten into the car and started the car. I sat down next to my brother. The girl got in through the back door on the right hand side of the car and sat down behind my brother. Joran was behind me in the car. The girl had at no point gotten acquainted with us, me and my brother. I cannot remember exactly how it went, but one this is certain, we made another round passing in front of Carlos & Charles. When we came to the intersection on that street, the girl saw that her friends were standing on the intersection west of Royal Plaza. I estimate that at that point there were approximately 60 people on that intersection. These people stood on both sides of the road. At the intersection Joran had said to my brother to turn right because the girl wanted to greet her friends. My brother Deepak then turned right with his car and then turned left with the car. When my brother had turned left on the intersection west of Royal Plaza, the girl had opened her window. The girl shouted to her friends "hey". While my brother was turning left, a boy shouted at the girl really loud "get out of the car". My brother had also heard that the boy had shouted at the girl to get out of the car. My brother brought the car to a full stop to see if the girl would get out of the car. I heard the girl say to this boy that she would hook up with them later at the hotel, and that she would go with us. Just to be on the safe side my brother asked Joran if the girl would get out there. Joran answered that the girl would come with us. The girl had not said a word to us. I don't know why that was. The boy who had said to the girl to get out of the car was dressed in a white T-shirt and was caucasian. I hadn't paid attention to what he looked like. Joran had also asked the girl if she would come with us, the girl then answered that she would be going with us. My brother then drove on. We then drove by way of the city center towards the boulevard near where the Sonesta Hotel is. When we got close to the Sonesta Hotel he turned right and drove towards the hotels. When we got to the intersection west of Royal Plaza, we saw that the people where no longer standing at the intersection. We drove on in a westerly direction
we gaan het weer proberenquote:Op maandag 23 maart 2009 18:24 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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OK Duikkie. Ik weet niet hoe het bij jou werkt, maar als ik (en de groep waar ik mee was) alle andere avonden uitsluitend met de taxi naar huis ging en op de reis naar huis nooit een bus heb gezien, dan heb ik het de laatste avond niet ineens over een bus.
Ze zegt toch echt dat de groep met bussen en taxi's ging.
Het ging dus zo:
Joran heeft eerst Andre en toen Jaimie gevraagd of ze met hem meewilden naar Carlos en Charlies. Joran had zelf geen rijbewijs, dus hij had iemand nodig die voor hem reed.
Beide jongens konden niet, waarop Joran besloot Deepak te vragen, die net met zijn werk klaar was.
We weten beiden en zijn het erover eensdat Joran nog niet zo heel lang bevriend was met Deepak en Satish.
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Het vertrek uit Carlos en Charlies ging zo:
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http://www.hollowaycase.com
Op bladzijde 20 in deze link
http://noevidenceofacrime.com/
vertelt Ed Kissel dat hij heeft gezien dat Natalee met iemand die op Joran leek, wegging.
Dat overhoren was het eerste verhaal. Vanaf 11 juni (2 dagen na hun aanhouding) hebben ze het ingestudeerde verhaal laten vallen.quote:Op maandag 23 maart 2009 19:56 schreef duikkie het volgende:
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allemaal leuk bedacht meneer paul van der sloot. en overhoort door anita
quote:Freddy 6/12/05:
I am Joran’s best friend and neighbor. We got to know each other about two years ago. Joran and I practice sports together a lot, that is how we became good friends. Monday afternoon May 30th Joran came to my house. He told me that, the day before, Sunday, in the Holiday Inn Casino, he met a girl and she had asked him to come to Carlos 'n Charlies in the evening.
He went and they have danced there and have drunk. After that he has driven away with Deepak, Satish and the girl. Her friends saw that. They drove in the direction of the lighthouse; a white car drove behind them and probably wanted to race against Deepak. But Deepak would never do such a thing.
Joran told (me)that he had fingered and kissed the girl. He did not say he had sex with the girl. They drove towards the lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove until the lighthouse, because his car was low and could not drive to the north side of Aruba.
quote:On June 11th 2005 at about 12:10 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.
Having arrived at the "Lighthouse" I drove into the road and drove past the front of the restaurant. When we drove past the front I said, here we are this is the "Lighthouse". Nobody answered me. At some point I looked into the rear view mirror and saw that Joran and the girl were French kissing. I had not seen that Joran's hands were under the girls skirt. I only saw him kissing her. I looked at my brother Satish. He said keep on driving. After that I continued in the direction from which we just came. I saw a little farther up the road, at about where the Lighthouse is, a green jeep and a four door, white car. After that I drove down the road towards Arashi. Having arrived on the Smith Boulevard, on the section of road that has no street lights, I asked Joran if I should head back to town. Joran said no, no, let me out here. That was in the vicinity of the "Marriot Hotel".
quote:On June 11th 2005, at approximately 17:30 hours, we interviewed the suspect S.S. KALPOE for further information.
My brother kept on driving till we reached the "lighthouse". When we had arrived at the "lighthouse" my brother asked Joran if the girl wanted to see the "lighthouse". Joran then said that he didn't think she would want to see it because she had fallen asleep. At that moment I turned around and saw that the girl was lying on Joran's lap and that she was sleeping. Joran awakened the girl. Joran then told my brother that he didn't think that the girl would want to see the "lighthouse". The girl had been awake then. Joran then asked the girl if she was staying in the Holiday Inn hotel. The girl answered that she was staying at the Holiday Inn hotel. Joran then said to my brother that he should drive to the Holiday Inn hotel to drop off the girl. My brother then drove in the direction of the Holiday Inn hotel. To your question whether the girl had said something after she had woken up, I have to tell you that I did not pay attention. On the way to the Holiday Inn Hotel, Joran told my brother to turn right at some point. At Joran's request my brother turned right and drove into the street just north of the Marriot Hotel.
nee geen steek verder maar we hebben hier te maken met twee koppige mensenquote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 00:50 schreef OUWEFIETS het volgende:
Ik wil niks zeggen hoor maar het blijven herkauwen van de bussen van en naar C & C's en de mogelijke betrokkenheid van de Kalpoes brengt ons geen steek verder
het blijft een mooi ingestudeerd verhaal !!! allleen het stukje van HI afzetten hebben ze laten vallen omdat het niet anders kon, en freddy heeft het van horen zeggen.quote:Op maandag 23 maart 2009 20:16 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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Dat overhoren was het eerste verhaal. Vanaf 11 juni (2 dagen na hun aanhouding) hebben ze het ingestudeerde verhaal laten vallen.![]()
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quote:url=http://forum.fok.nl/topic/1269660/5/25#67345799]dinsdag 24 maart 2009 03:21[/url] schreef duikkie het volgende:[/b]
maar als Y zonder dubbele punt ervoor anders krijg je, maar blijft roepen kalpoe's zijn onschuldig dan gaan mensen dat misschien geloven, zolang kan ik het niet laten om er wat over te schrijven
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quote:Precies hetzelfde doet hij vervolgens met het 'ophaal-verhaal'. Eerst was het vriend Deepak die hem die nacht zou hebben opgepikt op het strand. Toen bleek dat Deepak dat ontkende en toen bovendien uit chat- en gsm-onderzoek naar voren kwam dat Deepak inderdaad gewoon thuis was gebleven, kwam Joran met het verhaal dat het Deepaks broer Satish was geweest. Satish ontkent ook. Hij zegt dat hij lag te slapen. Het geeft aan dat Joran over van alles en nog wat liegt, tot onomstotelijk het tegendeel wordt bewezen. En dan nog komt hij niet met de waarheid, maar tovert hij een nieuwe versie van wat er gebeurd is uit zijn mouw.
het gaat over dat joran liegtover het ophalen tussen 1:45 am en 3:25 dacht ik uit bolleke, meer zegt het echt niet hoor. over de onschuld van de kalpoe's. er kan best wat gebeurt zijn tussen 1:30 en 1:55 am die nacht toen deepak nog niet thuis was dus, maar het blijft moeilijk he. deepak heeft alleen een alibi als het deepak was achter zijn computer tussen 1:55 als we de advocaat moeten geloven en 3:25 am of iets eerder. wat satisch heeft uitgespookt weten we niet he, slapen is nu net effe geen alibi, maar dan nogquote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 07:11 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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En dat zou erg kostbaar kunnen zijn voor toneelspeler en bedrieger Beth Holloway!![]()
En vergeet de intensieve samenwerking met Dr. Phil niet.![]()
Kijk even naar wat Peter R de Vries en Hans Mos erover zeggen joh, en alle buitenlandse mensen (zonder show) die serieus onderzoek hebben gedaan.
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http://www.peterrdevries.nl/tekst/nieuws-joran-bevestigt.htm
Dit was nog voor het Joran verhaal en de auto.![]()
ik heb zitten luisteren, en de delen zijn hetzelfdequote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 11:13 schreef bastibro het volgende:
Kijk deze maar eens duikkie, de eerste is de originele en de laatste de gemanipuleerde Skeeters video.
Beoordeel zelf maar
Er zijn geen sporen in de auto gevonden.quote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 08:38 schreef duikkie het volgende:
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er is dan wat gebeurt met natalee in de auto ook door toedoen van deepak en satisch , in paniek naar van der sloot huis gereden of ze waren daar al, weet ik veel . de hogere macht paul van der sloot komt erbij. en die bedenkt een verhaal.
Dus Deepak en Satish ontkennen dat ze iets met Natalee hebben gedaan maar bekennen dit aan de vrienden van Beth Holloway (die er op uit zijn gestuurd om met nieuws te komen om zodoende te kunnen cashen).quote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 03:28 schreef duikkie het volgende:
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nou ik heb van horen zeggen dat deepak zei we hebben sex gehad met z'n drieen, en ik niet geknoeid met een tape , maar dat wil niet zeggen dat ik gelijk heb wel
hoe weet jij dat er geen sporen in de auto zijn gevonden ??, dat is nooit naar buiten gebracht.quote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 17:33 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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Er zijn geen sporen in de auto gevonden.
Er was geen tijd voor een verkrachting door Deepak en Satish.![]()
Overigens zie ik dat de boeken van Beth Holloway, Dave Holloway en Andrew Hodges samen in een leuke aanbieding te koop zijn.
http://www.nataleehollowayfoundation.net/
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595550631/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
Betekent dit dat de zakelijke en financiele belangen van het "Holloway concern" deels zijn samengevoegd?
snap trouwens heel dat verhoor niet ?? wat ik gezien en gehoord heb is de voorbereidingen voor een leugen test ?? met dat no we didn't have sex.quote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 18:35 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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Dus Deepak en Satish ontkennen dat ze iets met Natalee hebben gedaan maar bekennen dit aan de vrienden van Beth Holloway (die er op uit zijn gestuurd om met nieuws te komen om zodoende te kunnen cashen).![]()
Stomtoevallig verklaart het NFI dat er met de tape is geknoeid?![]()
Waarom zouden Deepak en Satish altijd ontkennen dat ze iets met Natalee hebben gedaan en plotseling een bekentenis afleggen aan iemand die er samen met Beth Holloway veel geld aan verdient?![]()
Er zijn sporen uit de auto naar het NFI en een Amerikaans lab gestuurd.quote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 19:23 schreef duikkie het volgende:
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hoe weet jij dat er geen sporen in de auto zijn gevonden ??, dat is nooit naar buiten gebracht.
hoeveel tijd denk je dat er nodig is voor een lekker verkrachting of dodensex ???
www.hollowaycase.comquote:Wednesday June 22nd 2005
It appears that Satish and Deepak have been eavesdropped for almost 40 minutes in the transport bus when they were transferred from the police station to the KIA.
D: I'm not going outside much (in prison), since they're asking too much shit.
S: When you stay on your own, you'll start to think too much, so don't stay on your own. Talk to people. Play domino.
D: I've told them that they should arrest Freddy as well.
S: The three of us have been arrested, but he just knows the truth.
D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. Fucking all of them. From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (this is a Dutch saying when something doesn't make sense)
S: I have nothing, there is nothing, nothing from me and I didn't do anything.
D: I'm not afraid of that shit
S: I'm not afraid. I don't worry.
D: I want them to find the girl, so, but preferably alive. But anyway, if they'll find her dead, yeh, then that's bad luck for the family. But when they find her, they'll know exactly who did it. That's what I all learned from (???). I want them to get her. I know (???)
S: I know where I am. I am close to the truth. I'm always close to the truth.
D: I'm not afraid. I do miss mum and all those things. That bores me.
S: Yes.
D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand? But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay me very well.
D: I'm not afraid. It also depends on that fucking statement. Yeh, since there's one (or a) person who changes his story every time. That (person) has made already six statements, I guess. But they are all pure shit (???) and I'm still in it (here).
S: (???)
D: You push (???)
S: And by let give to let go (???)
D: It is impossible, swa. When you start that car the whole neighborhood will hear it.
S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask him.
D: Freddy knows
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then it's solved too (???)
S: He didn't do a thing.
D: It has been solved. (.)
D: Up till today, I haven't told any shit about him, whether he did something with the girl or that the chick...
S: We've only told the truth
D: Yep, because he hasn't told me anything and I don't know it. I'm not gonna lie about him. But the more he talks (??????) I would never never never talk shit about him like: "he did do this or that to the girl", because I don't know.
S: Must just declare the truth
D: I'll never do that. But let him talk shit. I'll never say something against or about (???) him. Never, just tell the truth. And that's also what I've always declared in my statements. His attorney will point that out to him. I'll never (falsely) accuse somebody.
Je hebt gelijk, het gaat hier over een ander watertje.quote:Op zaterdag 21 maart 2009 23:16 schreef duikkie het volgende:
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feiten feiten , dat was de tuinman !!! die zei niets over deze plaats, andere getuigen wel eerder gehoort maar niet serieus genomen die zag joran naar hotels lopen met vader erachteraan om 4:00 snachts,
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/about19105-375.htmlquote:Glenda wrote:
Hi name is unknown to the public. Only Jossy knows it.
According to the OM, this guy gave two different versions. One the the ALE and one to Tim Miller.
geweldig , zijn er wel sporen gevonden van natalee trouwens ???, je verhaal zo te lezen heeft ze niet eens in de auto gezetenquote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 19:35 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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Er zijn sporen uit de auto naar het NFI en een Amerikaans lab gestuurd.
Deepaks auto is helemaal opengescheurd, omdat Joran verhaaltjes vertelde.![]()
Resultaat: geen geweldsporen.![]()
Wat wel werd gevonden was geloof ik chocolade, schoonmaakmiddel en frisdrank.
ik ga eens opzoek naar de nederlandse versie van dit verhaal, die zal er wel wezen, dat vertalen van die americanen krijg ik wat van, allemaal fouten !!!quote:Op dinsdag 24 maart 2009 19:58 schreef yyentle het volgende:
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www.hollowaycase.com![]()
Begrijp je nu waarom die jongens zo snel zijn vrijgelaten?
Dankzij valse getuigen zijn de jongens later weer opgepakt.
Beth Holloway spreekt toch ook haar dankwoord uit aan de Scared Monkeys?
Waarom blijkt steeds weer opnieuw dat Beth Holloway te maken heeft met fraudeurs en bedriegers?
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