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ORANJESTAD, Aruba — The mother of two brothers detained in the Natalee Holloway (search) case acknowledged that her sons initially lied about the night of the 18-year-old's disappearance, but said it was because they were protecting another suspect.

Deepak and Satish Kalpoe first told police that they dropped off Holloway at the Holiday Inn where she was staying because they had agreed on that version of events with Joran van der Sloot (search), the 17-year-old also jailed in the case, said Nadira Ramirez, the Kalpoes' mother, in an exclusive interview with FOX News' Greta Van Susteren.

Click here to watch part one of the interview with Ramirez. Click here to watch part two.

But Joran's mother, Anita van der Sloot, told The Associated Press on Thursday that Joran now admits to being alone with Holloway on a beach. Still, Joran denies hurting Holloway.

Ramirez said she talked to her sons about what they first told police.

"They said he's our friend and we lied to cover him," she told FOX News.

Ramirez also described what her sons told her about May 30, the day of Holloway's disappearance: Deepak, 21, and Satish, 18, picked Joran and Holloway up somewhere on Aruba after Deepak got off work at an Internet cafe. As they drove, the two brothers sat in the front seat while Holloway and Joran kissed in the back. "[Deepak] said he was getting a little upset” that they were doing that in his car, said Ramirez.

But she said her sons told her they didn't even know Holloway, who they said had been drinking that night and wasn't walking steadily.

"They don't know nothing about her. Only they know that she was with Joran. ... She didn't even introduce herself to them."

Ramirez said she didn't doubt that her boys were now telling the truth: "They always come clean with me."

Separately Friday, a source familiar with the investigation told FOX the FBI only has three agents in Aruba now, down from seven earlier. The source, who requested anonymity, said the team has been reduced because there is not much to investigate now that arrests have been made.

Meanwhile, Joran's father was himself in custody after being arrested Thursday. After an initial interrogation, a judge ordered Paul van der Sloot (search) held at a police station jail for another 48 hours.

Aruban prosecutor's office spokeswoman Mariaine Croes said Paul van der Sloot was arrested under "reasonable suspicion" in the disappearance of Holloway.

"We have a reasonable suspicion at this point that he may be involved in the disappearance of Miss Holloway," Croes told FOX Friday morning.

"The decision to bring him in and arrest him was based on the police investigation done on him up to this point," Croes said, when asked whether he was brought in over anything his son may have said to police.

Aruba government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg told FOX the elder van der Sloot may have been arrested after investigators heard inconsistencies in media interviews, like the one with FOX News' Greta Van Susteren, and what he told police.

Trapenberg added Paul van der Sloot has been cooperative with investigators.

Paul van der Sloot is an island judicial official.

The source told FOX the FBI knew about the arrest of Paul van der Sloot in advance but did not accompany authorities to the house because of political sensitivities.

FOX was told computer hardware taken from the van der Sloot home on June 15 will be sent to The Netherlands for inspection.

Before his arrest, Paul van der Sloot told FOX News that he was sure his son had nothing to do with Holloway's disappearance.

"We still believe in Joran," said Paul van der Sloot.

Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were arrested 10 days after Holloway disappeared. Police say Joran van der Sloot met Holloway at a casino two days earlier.

Beth Holloway Twitty, Natalee Holloway's mother, has insisted that the three know what happened to her daughter and that police should press them harder to tell the truth. She has asked why the three were initially released after only a couple of hours of questioning, and arrested more than a week later.

Anita van der Sloot also questioned that tactic. She told FOX News: "Joran should have been interrogated from the beginning. But they let the kids go."

Holloway disappeared May 30. The 18-year-old Mountain Brook, Ala., woman was celebrating her high school graduation with a trip to Aruba with other students.

A fourth man detained in the case, 26-year-old party boat disc jockey Steve Gregory Croes (search), said he knew one of the two Surinamese brothers arrested with Joran van der Sloot from an Internet cafe, according to his boss, Marcus Wiggins. Wiggins' boat, the Tattoo, docks near the Holiday Inn.

FOX News' Greta Van Susteren, Catherine Herridge and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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'Dr. Phil verknipte Holloway-interview'


Volgens het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut (NFI) heeft de bekende Amerikaanse tv-psychiater Dr. Phil lopen rotzooien met een interview met één van de verdachten in de zaak rond de vermiste tiener Natalee Holloway. In zijn show werd onlangs een interview vertoond met Deepak Kalpoe. Die zei dat hij samen met Joran van der Sloot en zijn broer Satish seks heeft gehad met Holloway. Ook vertelde hij dat het op 30 mei op Aruba verdwenen meisje zich had gekleed als een hoer.

Justitie op Aruba vroeg hierna de complete band op van het interview, het ruwe materiaal, en liet dat onderzoeken door het NFI. Daaruit bleek, volgens de Arubaanse politie, dat de verdachte zei dat hij en de anderen juist géén seks hadden gehad. Het cruciale woordje geen was er in de uitzending uitgeknipt, waardoor het lijkt alsof hij bekende.

Dr. Phil, die al weken een kruistocht voert tegen de Nederlandse en Arubaanse autoriteiten, heeft twijfels over de bevindingen van de Nederlandse onderzoekers. In een verklaring liet hij weten dat het programma het materiaal eerst wil voorleggen aan de eigen Amerikaanse FBI. De tv-psych heeft zich in de states opgeworpen als onderzoeker naar het - als ze nog leeft nu 19-jarige - vermiste meisje uit Alabama. Dr. Phil zegt bijna zeker te weten dat Holloway nog leeft. Zij zou als seksslaaf tewerk zijn gesteld in Zuid-Amerika. Hij baseert zich daarbij op diverse bronnen, voornamelijk van internet.

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Op zondag 30 november 2008 12:34 schreef Polleeder het volgende:
OMG, nóg zo'n topic. Het is drie jaar geleden, en wij 'simpele zielen' komen echt never nooit meer achter de ware toedracht van het gebeuren, al was het alleen maar omdat wij -slechts achter ons peeceetje- natuurlijk nooit aan voldoende betrouwbare informatie kunnen komen. Laat het gaan, elke discussie op dit niveau leidt tot niets!

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Op zondag 30 november 2008 12:34 schreef Polleeder het volgende:
Het is drie jaar geleden, en wij 'simpele zielen'

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The following are allegedly e-mails from Deepak Kalpoe, which were posted on an Internet message board on 6/21/05. .

E-Mail #1
Dated 6/5/05

Hi

How are you i hope you and your family is fine. -name deleted- is better i tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it will be a shock for you rightnow. The missing girl natalee hollaway,I spoke to her , sunday she left with me , my brother and a friend from carlos n' charlies , it was my car like the news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news . Let see where to start i don't even know where to begin these last days where so crazy for me i'm very tired haven't slept good in days : The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ). so they took a drink and started talking etc. about school, the vacation etc.etc.afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there.So that was in the casino i was not present , i was at work so my friend called me and said hey i met some girls in the casino and her friends and they want us to meet them in carlos tonight do you have to work tomorrow morning i said no , so he said pick me up later then i said ok. so i got off my shift at 10 pm and went home took a bath had to fix something and then me and my younger brother went to pick up my friend was around 12.10 am so i came to his home and was talked for like 15 min and then left to go to carlos (we all went out without or parents knew) so we arrived like 12.30 am in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance with her my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she came up to my friend and asked why he won't dance with her , i only heared that part because i was talking to someone else so i don't know what he responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend. well they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe they' re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car and nobody was there so i started playing music and was waiting on my brother and my friend.i waited for like 10 min and then i saw my brother stepping in the car and my friend who was with natalee. so i was surprised but anyways i started the engine and my brother was besides me and my friend and natalee were in the backseet so i started cruising in the area and asked my friend whats going on so natalee responded to me ''hey its no prob let us just drive around and have fun its my last night , she said you can drop me off later at holiday inn anyways right'' i said sure why not so as i was drove out of the carlos road and got on the mainroad there were natalees friends and she , pushed het head out of the window and screamed something i can't recall.so i was driving very slow to make a left to get in the next road and then one of natalees friend screamed for her to get out of the car , and she refused so then i stopped my car and i said natalee if your friends want you to go with them its better you go listen to them and go with them , she said no i will stay with you guys i will get a lift from you anways later, so she said bye to her friends and i drove away, so then we were just talking etc, in the car and then she said she wanted to see sharks ,it was by the lighthouse she saw them before that can we go , my friend said ok ,deepak lets go. so on my my to the lighthouse there was music playing and noone talking for a while when i looked in the backmirror my friend and natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will ) so my brother siad just leave them for a while untill we get to the lighthouse, when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights) so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday inn for sure she is staying so my friend woke her up and confirmed with natalee she was staying at the holiday inn, so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am .monday i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him and said the police is at his home with some family members its about the girl you guys went out with yesterday , so my friend said wait there i be there, so we rushed at my friends home and there was the police and nataless family and it was a nightmare sinds then. the police asked us if we knew this girl showed us a picture we said yes thats her , they said she was missing and eyewitness say she was the last seen with you guys . so they asked a few more questions and we said we don't understand we left her at holiday inn lobby drive way how could she dissapear and then natalees stepfather jumped and said ''yes thats because after she went with you assholes she lost'' and then my friends father jumped and said thats enough you can't talk to the kids like that this is not the us your out of you juristiction this is not the way i want you people out of my yard i know the law (my friends father is e judge) so afterwards another family member of natalee suggested to the police if we can id the security gard we said ok. we went there there was no suck security working there as we discribed. so then we were just standing in the lobby there were questions etc. asked by other members , and then me and my friend walked to the car natalees mom was sitting and we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything with you daughter, she was crying and said i don't believe you 2 , i promise you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible.i went home 7 pm tuesday, i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother and my friend they were questionded and had to sign their statement also , the checked my car and i was clear to go , wednesday i was called again to show them how i drove the route that day ( i could refuse was my right i still decided to go , as did my brother and friend ) the drove us one by one and then we were free to go again.thursday morning my friend called me (he goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to leave and they did .so thats my part of the story yesterday and today it was quiet no treathen phoncalls what we got before and i won't mention the crazythings the newspapers etc. writes about us its to much to mention. at home my mom is losing it she is cryimg constantly , my dad bloodpressure got high also his hands are red , my friends home is a disaster also ,his mom is crying constantly also his dad is pretty cool he calmes us down and talks to us also not to worry , my brother is preety cool but on his face you see he is worried , my friend is pretty worried also. i'm pretty worried also , we have 2 lawyers one for my friend and one for me in case we get arrested and charched with something his dad can't defend hin he is a judge and he is too emotional attached .my friend has his graduation this thursday he has to go to the states in july he has a full scholarship. i had to go to vacation also end of this month.many politicians find we should be locked up rightnow.We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc, we were arrested and , my car is by the police we confessed to murder and rape, she went in a restaurant to buy food but none of those were true.So -name deleted- that was my part of the story what i said here is the same in my statement,people are saying they are bad guys lock them up , the family is going thru a lot righnow , but what they don't know how the other families feel and how they also have a reputation and carreers etc. because when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.they don't understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we have a problem we were the last seen with her . I lost a lot of friends who think we had to do something with this, many of my friends supported us also brought food etc. for us at home and know we are innocent, we are innocent also we promise i would NEVER hurt anyone in anyway, i would do every everything to help find her thats what we told eveyone also , i would take a bullet to save her and bring her back to her family if i had to so would my friend also.i would never never hurt anyone i'm a very happy and social person who likes to make friends with people and not hurting them

So -name deleted- i will say goodbye now hope you believe me and i pray to god that they find natalee soon and find her well so that this nightmare ends for all of us and they we prove we had nothing to do with this, i hope you pray for all of us say hi to everyone there hope to hear from you soon and may god bless.........

bye bye

Deepak.
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E-Mail #2
Dated 6/6/-5

Thank you for your wonderfull email you send me I really appreciate it. Things are going better with me now , as you you know there has been 2 arrests i don't know if it comes because the information we gave or just another tip.They were 2 security guards for a hotel nearby the holiday inn where natalee was staying , but we don't have any further information . I would be willing to try making an Id by the police for the 2 suspects i only saw one of them in the news.My parents are doing better now , my friends parents are doing well as well. Although we are almost of the hook we still don't walk much on the streets a lot of fingers are being pointed etc. But the press Is like trying to locate us or something i don't know this morning my friend got a letter for nbc if we were willing to give an intervieuw for a very good price we did not respond to them yet , we don't know if we will give interview as yet. The local press however we won't give any interview they sad a lot of bad things about us they should be ashamed of theirselves.But for now its just from home to work for me , and in the afternoons i go by my friends house we order pizza etc. and watch the news whats going. Anyways -name deleted- i have to go now , if i have any ipdates i will let you know asap. the press is all over it so i don't think you will be missing any part of it . As for for natalees parents we did not hear or see them personally yet , the police chief askes us if we would be willing to talk to them if they wanted to talk to us . We accepted that as long they would not talk aggressive to us as they did before.

Take care , Say hi to the others and I will mail you again

bye bye

Deepak.
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E-Mail #3
Dated 6/7/05

How is everything there. Well they did not say anything yet about the bloody T -shirt. (bloody matress) But we are fine, everything goed normal. The only problem was that yesterday there were like 30 reporters at my friends gate. They thought we fled the country , what is ridiculous why would we leave,they were there for like 45 min but my friend stayed in his room did not come out the parents were talking to them they wanted to know my adress thank god they don't know it . As for the guards i don't know anything yet about them did said they would decide today what they would do with them if they would charge them or something did not understand that part, and yes its in my statement that i am willing to try id the guard. We told the police about the guard so i think that helped the police a lot . But for now she is just vanished i don't understand how she could vanish like this .I never saw this before in my life , this same girl was sitting in my car spoke to me and now she is just lost.But anyways i'm going now , if i have any further information i will let you know, i was planning to go to vacation 30 th of june but if this is not solved i can kiss that vacation goodbye. Lets hope she will be found soon and found well

Take care :

Deepak

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The following are allegedly e-mails from Deepak Kalpoe, which were posted on an Internet message board on 6/21/05. .

E-Mail #1
Dated 6/5/05

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thursday morning my friend called me (he goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to leave and they did .so thats my part of the story

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Op maandag 1 december 2008 18:05 schreef yyentle het volgende:
Opvallend dat Deepak zoveel weet over situaties waar hij niet bij was, en wat schrijft Deepak goed Engels. Hij heeft alleen de punten en de hoofdletters vergeten.

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Op maandag 1 december 2008 18:05 schreef yyentle het volgende:Wist hij wel dat deze mail op 21 juni (toen hij in de gevangenis zat) op een forum is geplaatst en was hij er wel van op de hoogte dat deze mail is geschreven?

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Op maandag 1 december 2008 18:52 schreef bolsena het volgende:

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Veel Arubanen en Antillianen spreken Engels, hoor.
Naast Papiamento en Nederlands is dat een veelgebruikte taal daar.
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Hoezo?
Geloof jij dan dat dit een mail van Deepak was?

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Op maandag 1 december 2008 19:00 schreef yyentle het volgende:
En is het je opgevallen dat de insinuaties over Natalee ook al in die mail staan? Waarom heeft Deepak het er dan in zijn verklaringen nooit over?

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Op maandag 1 december 2008 22:26 schreef bolsena het volgende:

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Welke insinuaties bedoel je?


Tja yyentle, we zullen het waarschijnlijk nooit weten. Of hij die mail heeft geschreven (heeft de politie dit kunnen achterhalen via analyse van zijn computergegevens??), of hij hem alleen heeft geschreven of dat iemand anders hem heeft geschreven om hem vrij te pleiten of iets dergelijks.

En wat insinueer je verder, dat Surinamers geen goed Engels kunnen spreken? Is het geen Surinaamse Antilliaan trouwens?
Snap niet echt waar je heen wilt hoor.

Ik vind het engels in de mail helemaal niet zo geweldig, veel schrijffouten. Is in een haast geschreven, lijkt wel. Mensen die tijd besteden aan een mail zouden een nette zin met hoofdletters en interpunctie produceren.

Het boek van Joran heb ik niet gelezen, daar heb ik geen behoefte aan. Er is al genoeg onzin verschenen.

En die verklaringen van Deepak? Tegenstrijdig?
Ach, zoals ik vanmiddag al schreef in dat andere topic (Natalee in de rebound): de meeste verklaringen bevatten leugens en moet je niet al te serieus nemen.

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Op maandag 1 december 2008 22:26 schreef bolsena het volgende:

En die verklaringen van Deepak? Tegenstrijdig?
Ach, zoals ik vanmiddag al schreef in dat andere topic (Natalee in de rebound): de meeste verklaringen bevatten leugens en moet je niet al te serieus nemen.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 03:13 schreef yyentle het volgende:
Dat Deepak die email niet geschreven heeft is gemakkelijk aan te tonen.

Hij was nog maar 21 jaar en werkte al een paar jaar. Hij had een gewone baan en als je de in het Nederlands afgenomen verklaringen leest, kun je zien dan de Engelse mail heel anders is dan de manier waarop hij in het Nederlands (zijn moedertaal) spreekt.

Geplaatst toen hij in de gevangenis zat.

Wie kende zoveel details over Joran en zijn moeder?
Zijn liegende en manipulerende moeder die iedereen beschuldigt, was toch de enige die dit soort details wist en tot op de dag van vandaag insinuaties zoals gedaan in de email, doet?

Er zijn toch diverse mails en (anonieme) brieven de deur uitgegaan in de tijd?

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 12:51 schreef bolsena het volgende:

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 13:16 schreef yyentle het volgende:Stuur de mail maar naar het NFI.

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On June 11th 2005 at about 12:10 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.

When we arrived at the "Wyndham", while I was parking Joran received a telephone call on his mobile. He spoke to a person. I heard him say the name Paul. I assumed that he was talking to his father, because I know his father's name is Paul. After the conversation Joran said to me that it had been his father calling, and that he told him that there were police at their house and that it was about the girl that we had been out with the previous night.

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On June 11th 2005, at approximately 17:30 hours, we interviewed the suspect S.S. KALPOE for further information.

On Tuesday May 31st 2005 at approximately 02.45 hours I was sleeping in bed. At that moment I was awakened by my brother Deepak. Deepak had called me on my mobile phone XXXXXXX. Deepak had called me with his mobile phone XXXXXXX. Deepak said to me that the girl that had been with us on Sunday had gone missing. Deepak then told me that we should not say that we dropped Joran and the girl off near the Marriot Hotel but that we left her at the Holiday Inn Hotel. My brother had also told me that we should say that we had dropped off Joran at his place. When Deepak called me he was together with Joran. I heard Joran instruct my brother what we had to say. My brother had told me that the father of Joran had told Joran that the police had come to their house.

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On Wednesday, June 29th 2005 at about 12.40 hours we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect Deepak.S. KALPOE, for further information.

On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police were monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

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Op dinsdag 2 december 2008 03:12 schreef yyentle het volgende:

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Deepak heeft die email niet geschreven.

Die email is geschreven door iemand die dicht bij Joran staat.

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Op woensdag 3 december 2008 22:46 schreef mrBhimself het volgende:

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Nope, de mail is geschreven door een (internet)vriendin/kennis van Deepak. De mail is inmiddels meerdere malen 'besproken' op de bekende 'Natalee' fora.

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On June 11th 2005 at about 12:10 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.
To your question as to what I think Joran's father's part was in this case, I can say the following. Truth be told I think he believed the story we had told him. He then looked for a lawyer for me and my brother.

To your question as to what Joran's father had advised us, I can say the following. He told us that if we were to be arrested that we should remain calm and not come up with a different story.

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On June 24th, 2005, around 15:35, the suspect S.S. KALPOE, man, was interrogated more closely.


The father Paul told us that we could be interrogated as suspects also after we’d been heard as witnesses. I can also sate that there was one occassopm where I was with my brother Deepak, Joran and his father, that Joran said: “if a body is found that we are in big trouble”. My brother and I then told Joran that it’s impossible since we hadn’t done anything wrong. Joran then said laughing, “Yes, yes you are right”.

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On June 13th 2005 at about 10:20 hours, we, the reporting officers, interviewed the suspect D.S. KALPOE, for further information.

When I was parking my car in the parking lot, Joran's phone went off. Joran had said Paul, so I knew that it was Joran's father. Joran answered the phone and signalled me to turn the volume of the music down. That is what I did. I had also put my car into park. Joran talked a short while with his father. I only heard him say: yes, OK, that's allright. After this Joran closed the phone.

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Witteman: Did you ever thought there may have been an acccident?

Anita: I had thought that in the beginning for a while, because I thought, now Joran leaving a girl alone on the beach, that cannot be, we always say walk along with the girl if you are going out, to the door. He was not raised like that. So I was really furious at him, both of us were. So I thought, could something have happened?

Witteman: Alcohol and drugs...

Anita: Maybe... well drugs... no, but alcohol... That doubt was there for a while, and I was in Holland by the way, for the birthday of my grandmother, she turned 90 years old. I had gone to Holland for a few days, and Paul called me, like oh, something disturbing, there is a girl missing, and Joran seems to be the one who was last... seen with her, went out with her. By the way, I was just at the point of leaving Holland, so I did not go back early. So I had thought something like, "Jeez, oh what now?" But we both felt like, well she will appear again, the girl has probably ran away. And when he told me about the conversation he had with the girl, I then especially thought something like, "Well, she will turn up." But after three days it became rather worrying.

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On June 10th 2005, approximately 13:45 hours we interviewed suspect D.S. KALPOE for further information.

To your question as to why we talked so much about what had occurred, I can state the following. After we were heard as witnesses, we felt involved in what had occurred, and also because Joran's father was a judge and he knows a lot of laws, and because he thought we could yet be considered suspects and arrested.
To your question as to how Joran's father came to the conclusion I just mentioned, I can state the following. We had told him about the interview, so about the manner we were interviewed.
To your question whether we had talked to Joran's father that night, I can state the following. We had spoken to him, because he sat down with us.

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Waarom zegt Jorans vader dan tegen Deepak en Satish dat ze in de problemen zitten terwijl ze weten dat niet Deepak en Satish maar Joran als laatste met Natalee is gezien?

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Denk je echt dat een moeder die contact heeft met allerlei "vriendinnen" die afschuwelijke verhalen over Natalee en haar moeder rondstrooien, en voortdurend Joran in een adem noemt met Deepak en Satish van de domme is?

Ze zegt toch ook tegen Deepak en Satish dat ze uit de buurt van het Marriot moeten blijven?

Hoe weet Jorans moeder dan dat Joran en Natalee bij het Marriot uit de auto zijn gestapt in plaats van
bij het Holiday In?

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Kan dit niet gewoon het gevolg zijn van het feit dat ze juist niets weet, ze juist ook is volgepropt met dis-info?

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Transcript: Greta in Aruba
Friday, June 24, 2005

This is a partial transcript from "On the Record," June 23, 2005, that has been edited for clarity.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Natalee Holloway (search) has been missing for nearly a month, and investigators still have no idea where she is. Deepak and Satish Kalpoe (search), two of the young men seen leaving in Aruban bar with Natalee the night she disappeared, have been in jail for two weeks.

Earlier today, we got an exclusive interview with their mother, Nadira Ramirez. She told us about the night Natalee vanished.

NADIRA RAMIREZ, SATISH AND DEEPAK KALPOE'S MOTHER: They always come clean to me. You know, they are soft. They are not really scared of me, but I have them in line with everything. I have to know where they go, what time they come. You know, I keep controlling them, calling them, my cell always with me.

And then he start to tell me that, Mom, you know the girl that's missing. Maybe you guys read the paper and news and all those things. I said, Yes. And like, you know, I said, What do you know about this? And then he said that we give that girl a lift that night. So then I said, What, you know? Then he said, Don't be scared, Mom, that, We know we didn't do nothing. It's just a lift Joran asked us to give him and her, or something like that.

And I start to find out everything, and I said that, So what is it now? He said, Well, I think he went already to the police, or, like, investigation and those things, and maybe we will come over or ask you guys, and so, but we are telling you that it's just a lift. We don't know her at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know where your boys met up with Joran?

RAMIREZ: OK, I know that Deepak was working that day. And normally, he works, like, until 11: 30. Depends how busy is the place because it's one man running that place. If he's on that shift, he have to close.

VAN SUSTEREN: At the Internet cafe.

RAMIREZ: At the Internet cafe. So depends how if it's busy. If they paid down (ph) for some hours and they're not finished, then he just wait on them, like, it don't make any difference for 10 minutes on those things. So I assessed, like, maybe 11: 30. Maybe he's finished 11: 30. So I don't know. He told me that Joran called him and asked him that he need a lift.

VAN SUSTEREN: From the home to Carlos and Charlie's?

RAMIREZ: I don't know what he told him, but he just said that, Deepak I need a lift, if you can give me a lift or — and then maybe he asked him where or whatever. And why Satish is with him, because he don't go with his car to work. He love his car so much, that if it's a scratch, is a war (ph) in this house. And so he leave his car home. And like, his brother keep contacting him, What time you can pick me up, you know, like...

VAN SUSTEREN: Deepak?

RAMIREZ: Yes. Or he know his time, like, five to 11: 00 or 10 to 11: 00, something like that, he comes out. And then he sit and wait in the car for his brother.

VAN SUSTEREN: So Deepak doesn't have the car at work. He needs a ride from Satish?

RAMIREZ: No, it's his car.

VAN SUSTEREN: But — but Satish...

RAMIREZ: He don't go with his car to work. Satish drop him and bring back his car home.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK. So Satish is at home with Deepak's car and goes to pick up...

RAMIREZ: Pick him up every night, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: OK.

RAMIREZ: So he went there automatically. Maybe his brother said that, yes, Joran asked me for a lift, or tat-tat-tat. I don't know. And then that's why the two were together to go.

VAN SUSTEREN: So in all likelihood, we don't know for sure, but they probably picked him up at his home and then went back to Carlos and Charlie's?

RAMIREZ: I don't know where they reach each other. He just said that he asked us a lift. So I don't know if they go home and pick him up or they go to Carlos and Charlie's. Those really small things I can't say exact what is it.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did Satish and/or Deepak say about Natalee Holloway? What did they say about her? What do they remember?

RAMIREZ: What you really mean, while she was in Aruba or what she said or...

VAN SUSTEREN: Anything. What do they know about her, or what do they remember from that night?

RAMIREZ: They don't know nothing about her. Only they know that she was with Joran, and he ask him a lift to bring her down by the hotel, that she have to drop her off, and seeing (ph) that Joran is with them, and he said, OK, it's fine. What he said when she went in the car, did her friends call her or something. And he said, I stopped my car, that if she want to go, it's fine. It's not that, yes, we forced her, or not we, she was with Joran. My son said that she didn't even introduce herself to them, like, hi, I'm Natalee or whatever. She didn't talk a word with my two sons.

And she was more like friend with Joran. My two sons were in front. Deepak was driving, the next one other side, and Joran was at the back with her. And he didn't say anything. I mean, he's a boy. I mean, if he have her like a girlfriend, he didn't interrupt. He just drive up, and then...

VAN SUSTEREN: Was something going on in the back seat?

RAMIREZ: Yes. He said that they were kissing. And he was getting a little bit upset because he said that he didn't like it in his car, that if you want to make love, go and pay a hotel and go in a hotel room, not in my car.

And then he said my brothers told me, Satish, he's a little more soft and understanding. (INAUDIBLE) yes, they're coming out just — I don't want to say nothing. And then when they reach up somewhere, he said that — I think Natalee asked that she can see the lighthouse, that she have to leave tomorrow morning, and if they can drive her up there. But he said he don't know if he can go because his car is very low. But he went up. He tried. He said he didn't stop at all because she was drunk. And she was like, Hey, here I am. I want to go back to the hotel.

They turned around back, what they told me, and they dropped her off by the Holiday Inn. I said, You're sure? He said, Yes, we dropped her. And then they put Joran home, and then they come home. Now that I heard that the story changed. I asked Satish (INAUDIBLE) that Satish, why you guys lie to Mama? Said, Yes, he's our friend, and we tried to lie — that — just, you know, to cover him or something. I said, Are you sure? He said, Yes. Joran asked us to leave him by the Marriott beach with Natalee.

And that's all. They come home, and they said they don't know further.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Up next "On the Record," we spoke with Anita and Paul van der Sloot just hours before Paul was arrested. More of our exclusive interview coming up.

Plus, we're going to hear from the uncle of the party boat deejay who was arrested last week.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Tonight, we are live in Aruba. Paul Van Der Sloot was arrested today just hours after our exclusive interview with him and his wife Anita. Their son Joran has been in jail since June 9, along with Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. The three men were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared. Now I asked Anita how well she knows Deepak and Satish.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, JORAN'S MOTHER: I met them a few times.

VAN SUSTEREN: Your impression of them?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: Nice guys, ordinary teenagers, yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Both friends of your son or was one more a friend and one is just a brother?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: I don't know if you can tell because Joran had a few real good friends who he would share everything with. These were just like mates that were passing by and talking about soccer. He didn't see them that often. He doesn't know them that long but he introduced them to us and we thought these are nice but one is more — the one who is passing by and his brother is not really known to me at all.

VAN SUSTEREN: One of the things that you told me yesterday is that you have a house rule that when he came home with his father the night of May 29, his father picked him up at the McDonald's he sneaked out. Did that violate the house rules?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: He did.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know if he'd been doing other things behind your back? I mean is it possible that you just don't...

A. VAN DER SLOOT: No, I don't know.

VAN SUSTEREN: You're the loving mother. I mean is that possible?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: You know when I asked him when I was in Holland that weekend or a week because of a family celebration and when I spoke to him the first time I was so angry, so angry with him.

"Why did you sneak out of the house?" He said, "Mom, if you would have been there, I wouldn't even have thought about it." And my husband was deep asleep. He didn't hear anything.

So, I don't think Joran is someone who would do things against the house rules often. I don't think so. He's a normal teenager. You remember how you were when you were a teenager. I remember how I was when I was a 17-year-old. Of course you try to come home a little bit later every time.

But he was ready to stand on his own feet, so we gave him a little bit more freedom just to know that we trusted him and, yes, he could go out once a weekend and it was almost party time because they were in the middle of their exams and it was almost over. So, I don't see anything negative about that.

VAN SUSTEREN: What has been seized from this house?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: The first time it was one computer that we all use. There's no lock on it so we can see what the kids are doing, one laptop of my husband that he only uses for his work, my digital camera what was on my desk, not in Joran's room on my desk. And I just had a field trip with middle-schoolers and I took pictures of a sand sculpturing project that we were doing because I'm an art teacher and there were like maybe 20, 25 pictures on it and I told the police, listen, this is material I want to use for school but for the rest there's nothing on it. You can look at it but they took that too.

They took all kind of things from Joran, a little kind of an MP3 player. They took tapes, also a tape of his tennis, college tennis camp. And the second time they took — they did a house searching, the garden, the pool. They took the two cars.

VAN SUSTEREN: Have you gotten any of that material back?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: No.

VAN SUSTEREN: They still have it?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: They still have it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know why they took even your computer or your husband's laptop?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: No, we have no clue.

VAN SUSTEREN: How about your digital camera, any idea?

A. VAN DER SLOOT: No, no clue, ridiculous.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VAN SUSTEREN: Coming up, party boat deejay Steve Croes was arrested on Friday. He was not with Natalee the night she disappeared so how is he connected to her disappearance? His uncle goes "On the Record" next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VAN SUSTEREN: Tonight we are live in Aruba where five men are behind bars in connection with Natalee Holloway's disappearance. One of the suspects, party boat deejay Steve Croes, was arrested last Friday. We took our cameras to the house where Steve lives with his grandparents and spoke to his uncle who lives right next door.

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On June 24th, 2005, around 15:35, the suspect S.S. KALPOE, man, was interrogated more closely.

To your question whether I can remember that during the many conversations at Joran’s home, the father supposedly had said “no body, no case”, I can say the following:
The father of Joran said it in other words, but that’s what it came down to. The father of Joran had said: "When there is no body, there are no reasons” to arrest us”.

To your question what the father of Joran could have meant with “no reasons”, I can state the following. I assume he meant that, when a body is discovered, there can be traces on or in the body that could lead to our arrest.