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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 02:36 schreef DJKoster het volgende:
http://finance.yahoo.com/intlindices?e=asia , alles weer fijn rood...
Shanghai, BSE 30 en KLSE zijn nog gesloten he.. oude cijfers dus.
  donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 07:23:48 #28
10119 appelsientje
Het beste onder de zon
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Zullen we dan eindelijk weer eens in de plus eindigen ?
To deny our impulses would deny the very thing that make us human.
  donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 07:35:28 #29
52811 DustPuppy
The North Remembers
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Nikkei weer in de min? En het ging zo lekker.
"The north remembers, Lord Davos. The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done.”
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 07:35 schreef DustPuppy het volgende:
Nikkei weer in de min? En het ging zo lekker.
owh, dat is een gemiste kans inderdaad.
  donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 08:09:41 #31
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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The End of The World As We Know It - Professional Edition Fed Report

The Long March toward the destruction of the creditworthiness of the United States of America took a Great Leap Forward today, or perhaps we should say “one small step for Paulson, one flying leap for mankind.” The Treasury announced and carried out 2 same-day surprise auctions of medium term notes totaling $20 billion. They announced 2 more auctions of similar paper for another $20 billion tomorrow. The market choked on its vomit. 5 year yields rose 22 bp on the day, and at one point were up 50 bp from the low of the day, which came right after the open when the market was digesting the meaningless worldwide central bank coordinated rate cut.

The Fed action in cutting the Fed Funds target to 1.5% was merely rubberstamping the action it had already taken a couple of weeks ago when it first flooded the system with cash and drove Fed Funds rates into the ground. Today they just made it official that they intend to pursue aggressively reflationary policies of monetizing virtually anything. What next after commercial paper? Baseball cards? Monopoly money?

Ironically, today they had to pump in $20 billion via OMO as Fed Funds soared on Tuesday to nearly 3%. I suspect that they will have ongoing difficulty trying to peg actual Fed Funds trading to anywhere near the target rate.

The Treasury market’s problem is not theoretical. It’s not about the threat of investors discounting future inflation. It’s much simpler than that. It’s about simply choking on a barrage of new Treasury supply that’s running between $100 and $200 billion every week! There is no way that stocks, or corporate bonds, or GSE paper, or munis can compete with this supply. Today we saw first signs that the market can’t even absorb just the Treasury supply. As the interest rates rise on Treasuries as a result, we will be facing an unimaginable economic environment, one in which the world rightly questions the ability of the US Government to service its obligations.

The Fed is converting these Treasury funds into loans on, and purchases of, securities and loans, at least some of which are certain not to be repaid. We are now backing our money with assets that may never be able to be liquidated. A time is now virtually certain that there will be no realistic way to pay off the debts the Treasury is now incurring.

As the market begins to realize this, we may face the ultimate collapse, the collapse of US Government finance. Ultimately the world as we know it will be changed in ways that we cannot imagine. Even if the US Government were to reverse course now and say, flat out, no more bailouts, no more Treasury borrowing to finance bailouts, it’s probably already too late.

It’s one thing to allow private capital markets to fail. It’s another thing entirely to foster, foment, and cause the failure of government. A loss of confidence in financial markets is one thing. A breakdown of confidence in government would mean societal changes that we never dreamed of.

The following is repeated from reports issued over the past 4 days.

The Fed on Tuesday said that it will now buy commercial paper through a special purpose vehicle that it will set up under a new program, the Commercial Paper Funding Facility, aka the Commercial Paper Resuscitation (CPR) facility. The purpose of the CPR will be to breathe life back into the commercial paper market. Funding will be limited to the highest quality Asset Backed CP and other forms of CP as discussed in this press release from the Fed http://www.federalreserve(...)netary/20081007c.htm and an attached pdf file http://www.federalreserve(...)netary20081007c1.pdf The problem is that if you believe the Fed’s own data, the CP market was still breathing on its own.

As usual lately, the market was underwhelmed by this latest action from Toothless Ben along with the $25 billion in cash that he pumped into the market Tuesday. I suspect that rather than strengthening the private capital markets, this program like all the others will simply foster the atmosphere of dependency on the Fed and Uncle Sam, just as the drug addict becomes dependant on his dealer. The Fed is simply unwilling to allow the market to experience the necessary pain of withdrawal that is the first step to becoming sober and healthy. The Fed’s actions seem destined to foster even greater dependency on the drugs that caused all the problems in the first place. How will this help the market to get sober and healthy?

The Treasury announced that it would sell another $100 billion in CMBs this week, adding to the crush of Treasury supply pressuring the credit and equity markets. Panicked investors continued to buy only Treasuries and sell everything else. That sent rates plunging again at Monday’s Treasury auctions. This insanity will end badly too, but for now, it is what it is. Meanwhile, the Fed rolled over $25 billion in reverse repos as its open market operations become an irrelevance in the face of massive new and expanded alphabet soup programs. On Monday the Fed announced that it would pay interest on bank reserves as well as double the size of the TAF to $600 billion, and temporarily $900 billion over year end to ease year end funding pressures. Here is the Fed’s press release announcing these changes. http://www.federalreserve(...)netary/20081006a.htm

Digesting the rapid changes in the rules of the game becomes more challenging each day. The Fed is obviously now debasing the currency, but to what effect? This is a classic case of pushing on a string as lending institutions opt to hold cash rather than borrow and lend, so it is not clear when and whether these massive Fed actions will have an inflationary impact. Credit may be collapsing faster than the Fed’s efforts to replace it. As we saw in Japan, massive government money printing may have little effect against deflationary pressures when a credit bubble collapses, and the world has never seen a bubble of this magnitude collapse before.

The Fed’s H41 report last week reveals massive increases in Fed credit through the special programs created over the past two weeks, especially the Money Market Fund Assisted Living Facility (MMALF), and the expanded PDCF. The increases bring the total outstanding to $409 billion, which is shocking, and suggests that the bailout bill is just a rubber stamp for what has already been done, a fait accompli. While somewhat offset in their impact by the massive increases in Treasury supply that are funding the programs, the net effect is that the PDs have a pile of cash at their disposal, whether to plug holes in their balance sheets, or possibly go bargain hunting in the markets— a lot of cash, as expressed by a Fed Funds rate near zero at one point last week. As a result the Fed did another reverse repo Friday.

The Treasury’s auction schedule for this week dumped another humongous load of fresh supply on the market. The pressure on stocks and non government bonds is certain to continue as the Treasury crowding out continues week in and week out. The passage of the bailout bill was a disaster as predicted right here, adding even more Treasury supply to a market that can’t cope with it. This is something that policy makers either fail to understand or are ignoring. As long as they continue to pound the market with Treasury paper, there will be no market for anything else. The commercial paper market has been reeling under the competing pressure of excess Treasury supply in an environment suffused with fear. Ultimately, buyers are likely to even shy away from Treasuries. That would be the final disaster.
Hiervoor waarschuwde ik al een tijdje.... dankzij de kredietcrisis gaan buitenlandse investeerders afhaken.
En de sterk toegenomen stormvloed van verkoopbare schuldpapieren zal niks helpen.
  donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 08:23:05 #32
18079 neok
all the way
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En de Nikkei ook nog even snel in het rood, pfff
Buenos dias Tristeza
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de arrofantie van oxfam ook.
heel de westerse wereld staat op de rand van totale instorting maar dat tuig verwacht wel dat alle landen geld blijven geven.

hoop dat oxfam bij iedere overheid van het lijstje geschrapt word ...
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Nah deze ochtend moeten we wel een procentje of 2 hoger kunnen openen.
  donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 08:42:30 #35
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 08:32 schreef ItaloDancer het volgende:
Nah deze ochtend moeten we wel een procentje of 2 hoger kunnen openen.
Future wijst ongeveer tussen de 1,5 en 2 aan
To deny our impulses would deny the very thing that make us human.
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AIG Gets Billions More To Borrow
Maurna Desmond, 10.08.08, 9:45 PM ET


What, more? American International Group has blown through the $85.0 billion it borrowed from the United States government last month and is getting an additional $37.8 billion line of credit from the Federal Reserve as it seeks to shrink itself into profitability.

The Federal Reserve Board announced late Wednesday that government-controlled American International Group (nyse: AIG - news - people ) will be able to access up to $37.8 billion in cash in exchange for investment-grade securities from the troubled firm. The Fed's new program is an emergency mechanism allowed under the Federal Reserve Act that required evidence that AIG was "unable to secure adequate credit accommodations from other banking institutions."

It was not made clear why AIG needed the additional funds. The Fed said the securities it will get in exchange for the new loans had been held by counterparties that had relations with AIG's insurance subsidiaries. Those relations were unwound, using some of the original $85.0 billion loan, the Fed said, and the new arrangement is meant to replenish AIG's coffers.

But AIG is supposed to be selling divisions to raise cash to pay off the original loan, which should be bringing money into the company, not requiring it to shell out billions of dollars. The Federal Reserve said that AIG "as expected" had already spent all of the $85.0 billion bailout money it received as part of its Sept. 16 bailout.

AIG did not return phone calls from Forbes.com seeking an explanation of why it needed more money. The Associated Press reported that it said the arrangement will help it secure funds on an as-needed basis.

The firm fell 9.1%, or 32 cents, to $3.19, during trading in New York, which ended before the announcement. It's been a steep fall for shareholders who have seen their equity in the firm decline by 95.4% in the last year.

AIG's problems stemmed primarily from its insurance of mortgage-backed securities and other risky debt.

On Tuesday former top executives at AIG testified before the House Oversight Committee blaming everything but themselves for the company’s problems and subsequent bailout that cost taxpayers billions of dollars. (See "'Wasn't Us' Former AIG Execs Say)

Last week, AIG said it has drawn down $61.0 billion of the loan and planned to sell off some of its business units to pay off the loan. (See “ AIG Goes On A Diet.”)
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Wat verwachten jullie dat de rente gaat doen? Ik sta namelijk op het punt een hypotheek af te sluiten.
en zijn vriendje de Kietelaar
  donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 09:02:02 #39
44609 MrFl0ppY
So Fucking What
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Is Fortis nog steeds uitgesloten? Hier op nu.nl staat hij nog steeds op 0%. Beste aandeel de afgelopen 2 dagen gok ik zo.
He Who Controls The Present Commands The Future. He Who Commands The Future Conquers The Past
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AEX-index 292,13 2,26%
bel-20 2.323,95 0,00%
CAC 40 3.576,03 2,26%
EUR/USD 1,37 0,40%
FRANKF.-Xetra Dax 5.013,62 0,00%
LONDEN-FTSE 100 4.366,69 0,00%
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Ik meld mij vandaag ook weer in amusementspark beursplein 5.
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 09:01 schreef PurnodePurno het volgende:
Wat verwachten jullie dat de rente gaat doen? Ik sta namelijk op het punt een hypotheek af te sluiten.
Slim .
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Fortis stond in de NRC Next bij de top3 stijgers .
Op maandag 30 november 2009 19:30 schreef Ian_Nick het volgende:
Pietje's hobby is puzzelen en misschien ben jij wel het laatste stukje O+
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 09:11 schreef Dr.Daggla het volgende:
Ik meld mij vandaag ook weer in amusementspark beursplein 5.
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 09:12 schreef Dr.Daggla het volgende:

[..]

Slim .
Soms heb je geen keus.

Als de rente daalt en ik neem nu een variabele rente, dan ben ik straks koning. Als de rente echter rap stijgt...

Bovendien schijnt er ook nog een verschil te zijn tussen de lange en de korte rente, en hun invloed op de diverse types van hypotheekrente (variabel/vast).
en zijn vriendje de Kietelaar
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 09:14 schreef PietjePuk007 het volgende:
Fortis stond in de NRC Next bij de top3 stijgers .
Ik vermoed al sinds maandag
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 09:02 schreef MrFl0ppY het volgende:
Is Fortis nog steeds uitgesloten? Hier op nu.nl staat hij nog steeds op 0%. Beste aandeel de afgelopen 2 dagen gok ik zo.
Ja zo beredeneer ik ook maar; heb ik er nog iets aan
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Op donderdag 9 oktober 2008 09:11 schreef Dr.Daggla het volgende:
Ik meld mij vandaag ook weer in amusementspark beursplein 5.
De kaartjes zijn weer duurder geworden en er staat en rij voor de ingang.
  donderdag 9 oktober 2008 @ 09:18:35 #50
89730 Drugshond
De Euro. Mislukt vanaf dag 1.
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