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Biblical scholars in Colorado Springs have uncovered startling evidence that Senator John McCain may be the Antichrist. Their conclusions, while highly controversial, may have a dramatic impact on the 2008 elections, since many Bible-believing Christians have already expressed doubts about McCain's fealty to Christianity.

The analysis was conducted by the respected True Bible Society, and it will be published next month in the End Times Journal.

The analysis was especially ironic, given that it came out just one day after McCain was accused of subtly hinting that Barack Obama could be the Antichrist. McCain ran a commercial depicting Obama as "The One," giving rise to charges that he was sending a subliminal messages to anti-Obama Christians.

"What started us looking at this issue is the fact that Senator McCain has declared his intention to maintain US forces in Iraq for a hundred years," said David Jenkins, a leading Biblical scholar. "That means that McCain wants to control Babylon for at least a century." According to many scholars of the Book of Revelation, the Antichrist will try to rebuild the ancient city of Babylon in order to use it as a springboard for an international effort at world domination. Ultimately, the Antichrist will marshal forces from Babylon to spark a showdown with Christian and Jewish-led forces in the battle of Armageddon.

"We believe that the End Times is near, based on the pattern of wars, earthquakes. and other strange phenomena we've been witnessing since the start of the New Millennium," said Jenkins. "Given that it may be imminent, the person who controls Babylon must be the Antichrist." Until 2003, many Christians believed that Saddam Hussein might be the Antichrist, since he started excavations to restore Babylon in the mid 1970s. But Hussein's death meant that the Antichrist is someone else. Since Obama wants to get out of Iraq, he can't be the Antichrist either, concluded Jenkins.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/343356

Het zou me niet eens verbazen als dit de nekslag voor McCain wordt. Wat moet 'ie hier nou op zeggen?

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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:25 schreef Autodidact het volgende:

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http://www.thenation.com/blogs/dreyfuss/343356

Het zou me niet eens verbazen als dit de nekslag voor McCain wordt. Wat moet 'ie hier nou op zeggen?
De republikeinen zijn creatief om zich ergens uit te lullen.

Ik zou zeggen: Nuts!
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:40:14 #78
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:21 schreef Montov het volgende:
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=638242&z=1220371741018

11% kans op het terugtrekken van Palin volgens Intrade.

14% nu. Wanneer was de laatste keer dat een kandidaat voor het vicepresidentschap zich terugtrok?
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:40 schreef SuikerVuist het volgende:

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14% nu. Wanneer was de laatste keer dat een kandidaat voor het vicepresidentschap zich terugtrok?
18% vanmiddag. Ik weet het niet, maar het duidt wel op huidige onzekerheid. De laatste keer was die ene in '72?
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:42:48 #80
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Met de Noorderzon...
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:18 schreef SuikerVuist het volgende:
September 2, 2008
Gallup Daily: Obama Hits 50% for First Time
Leads McCain by eight percentage points, 50% to 42%

PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Aug. 30 through Sept. 1, finds Barack Obama leading the race for president with his highest share of support to date. Fully half of national registered voters now favor Obama for president, while 42% back John McCain.

[ afbeelding ]

[...]

http://www.gallup.com/pol(...)s-50-First-Time.aspx
Ik zou eigenlijk voor McCain moeten zijn maar ik begin steeds meer te hopen dat Obama wint alleen al om het in het gezicht te wrijven van alle flapdrollen die al een jaar roepen dat een neger nooit president kan worden in de VS.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 19:43:41 #81
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 14:07 schreef pberends het volgende:

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Zie de inval van Irak door Bush.
Ok, sommigee conservatieve Christenen maken wat ergere en wat meer fouten dan anderen...
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Palin's victory was seen as a major upset. Stein has been mayor since 1987 and was seeking his fourth term. He lost by more than 200 votes, with a final tally of 616-413.
http://tpmelectioncentral(...)ts_about_wasilla.php
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als ze zich terugtrekt, betekent dit een beoordelingsfout van McCain.
dan maakt hij geen kans meer.
dus ik denk dat ze zich niet terugtrekt.
en ze gewoon aan de boel een positieve draai proberen te geven tot de verkiezingen.

verder zou ik haar nog steeds niet onderschatten.
ze wachten af tot hoe laag links zal gaan.
een slachtofferrol aannemen.
en dan in een toespraak keihard terugslaan.
en Obama weer aanvallen met Rev. Wright, Rezko.
onderschat de tactieken van Rove, Kristol niet.

ze schijnt een zeer goede spreker te zijn.
vooral natuurlijk voor conservatieven.
de meeste van deze schandalen zijn in alaska al aan bod gekomen, en ze is nog steeds gouverneur.
ze wist daar overeind te blijven.

morgen zou ze een toespraak geven, maar wordt waarschijnlijk doorgeschoven naar donderdag.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:40 schreef SuikerVuist het volgende:

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14% nu. Wanneer was de laatste keer dat een kandidaat voor het vicepresidentschap zich terugtrok?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w(...)cement_on_the_ticket
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 19:49 schreef Caesu het volgende:
als ze zich terugtrekt, betekent dit een beoordelingsfout van McCain.
dan maakt hij geen kans meer.
dus ik denk dat ze zich niet terugtrekt.
en ze gewoon aan de boel een positieve draai proberen te geven tot de verkiezingen.

verder zou ik haar nog steeds niet onderschatten.
ze wachten af tot hoe laag links zal gaan.
een slachtofferrol aannemen.
en dan in een toespraak keihard terugslaan.
en Obama weer aanvallen met Rev. Wright, Rezko.
onderschat de tactieken van Rove, Kristol niet.

ze schijnt een zeer goede spreker te zijn.
vooral natuurlijk voor conservatieven.
de meeste van deze schandalen zijn in alaska al aan bod gekomen, en ze is nog steeds gouverneur.
ze wist daar overeind te blijven.

morgen zou ze een toespraak geven, maar wordt waarschijnlijk doorgeschoven naar donderdag.
Eens. Ik ben dan ook benieuwd naar haar toespraak.
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 20:20:10 #86
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^^ Bedankt.
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September 2, 2008
McCain camp battles charges Palin belonged to AIP

ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) — John McCain’s campaign accused Barack Obama’s camp of spreading allegations that GOP running mate Sarah Palin had been a member of a political party that advocates a referendum that could allow Alaska to secede from the United States.



The McCain campaign sent reporters a document which they said showed Palin had been a Republican since registering to vote in 1982, and had not been a member of the Alaska Independence Party.

They also responded to reports that Palin had attended a convention of the AIP in her hometown of Wasilla in 2000. “This would seem to be the only decent thing to do, given her responsibilities as Mayor of Wasilla,” said spokesman Tucker Bounds.

The campaign has been increasingly aggressive in responding to rumors, often issuing denials before any information is reported in mainstream media outlets. On Tuesday, the Palins released a statement revealing that daughter Bristol Palin was currently pregnant, in response to rumors that the teenager had given birth earlier this year. They also confirmed that Todd Palin, the presumptive VP nominee’s husband, had been arrested for drunken driving two decades ago.
http://politicalticker.bl(...)lin-belonged-to-aip/
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Maar uit de race stappen? In dit geval kun je beter doorgaan met de fouten die je hebt gemaakt, denk ik.
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Het verhaal dat ze lid was van Alaska Independence Party is onjuist en verzonnen. De gouverneur is eigenlijk al sinds 1982 lid van de Republikeinse partij.

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/
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Als het verzonnen is, en dat weet ik nog niet (je kunt volgens mij toch wel lid zijn van de Republikeinse partij en de AKIP tegelijkertijd?), dan is het verzonnen door de Alaska Independence Party zelf: "But Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, tells ABC News that Palin and her husband Todd were members in 1994, even attending the 1994 statewide convention in Wasilla. Clark was AIP secretary at the time."

En: "AIP vice chair George Clark told the small crowd that Palin "was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town –- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -– she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.""

Ik wacht nog even af, de Republikeinen en John McCain zijn nu niet echt betrouwbaar.
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Wij van WC-eend adviseren WC-eend.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
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er is weer iets nieuws:

de kerk van Sarah Palin
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Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord.

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Religion, however, was not strictly a thread in Palin's foreign policy. It was part of her energy proposals as well. Just prior to discussing Iraq, Alaska's governor asked the audience to pray for another matter -- a $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in the state. "I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
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The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."
http://www.huffingtonpost(...)ave-sh_n_123205.html

reden voor de nieuwszenders om Rev. Wright, 'God damn America', nog maar een keer uit te zenden.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 20:55:07 #92
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Obama: I Have More Executive Experience Than Palin
by FOXNews.com
Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Barack Obama contends that he is more experienced in executive matters than Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin because he has managed his presidential campaign for the past 18 months.

Speaking on a cable news channel Monday night, the Democratic presidential nominee said he is better prepared to handle a disaster like Hurricane Gustav because of his pursuit of the White House.

“Well, my understanding is that Governor Palin’s town of Wasilla has, I think, 50 employees. We’ve got 2,500 in this campaign. I think their budget is maybe $12 million a year. You know, we have a budget of about three times that just for the month. So I think that our ability to manage large systems and to execute I think has been made clear over the last couple of years,” Obama said.

John McCain’s spokesman called the suggestion “laughable.”

“For Barack Obama to argue that he’s experienced enough to be president because he’s running for president is desperate circular logic and its laughable. It is a testament to Barack Obama’s inexperience and failing qualifications that he would stoop to passing off his candidacy as comparable to Governor Sarah Palin’s executive experience managing a budget of over $10 billion and more than 24,000 employees,” said spokesman Tucker Bounds.
"Beetje dom" van Obama IMO. Maar daar zullen de Obama-fanboys het wellicht mee oneens zijn.

Met deze post ben ik het helemaal eens:

"OMG! Obama, what are you thinking?!?!? Why on earth would you compare yourself, someone who is running for PRESIDENT to your opponent’s VICE PRESIDENTIAL candidate? You moron! You just told the world two things: 1. I’m not qualified to be president, but just maybe, I’d make a marginal V.P. 2. You have no clue what’s involved in running anything if you are suggesting running a campaign requires any degree of talent compared to being a Governor of any of the 50 states. I’m sure all the senior staff members of your campaign are delighted to hear their efforts have been meaningless because of your lame, egotistical statement. Barry, your a mess."

http://elections.foxnews.(...)perience-than-palin/

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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 20:34 schreef Caesu het volgende:
er is weer iets nieuws:

de kerk van Sarah Palin
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http://www.huffingtonpost(...)ave-sh_n_123205.html

reden voor de nieuwszenders om Rev. Wright, 'God damn America', nog maar een keer uit te zenden.
tja, je hebt moslim fundamentalisten en je hebt christnefundamentalisten. Overigens is dat van die kerkman gewoon verkiezingsintimidatie.
Kein gewalt! Wir sind das volk!
Steps taken forwards but sleepwalking back again.
''And the Germans kill the Jews, And the Jews kill the Arabs, And the Arabs kill the hostages
And that is the news.''
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@SuikerVuist: idd. dom van hem. Nu de media al zo bovenop Palin zitten kan je beter je mond houden over d'r. Zijn reactie gisteravond op het nieuws over haar dochter was vele malen beter. Maar ja, weer typisch FOX om hier uitgebreid verslag van te doen.
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Now, we’d like to welcome our newest player to the growing cast of characters in our little drama - Thomas Van Flein. Mr. Van Flein (don’t you just have to say that with an accent?!) has been hired to represent Palin in the upcoming legislative investigation into the firing of Commissioner Walt Monegan.

“But wait!” you may be asking, “What about the state Attorney General? Why can’t he handle this?” Why not AG Talis Colberg? Well, he’s the one that Palin sent out to do a pre-emptive sleuthing campaign to see what the Legislature was going to find out when they investigated her. Just so she’d have a heads up. So now Colberg, who has already been talking to everybody and his uncle about the Trooper, including Walt Monegan, has now opened himself up to being called as a witness! So he’s out. (And incidentally, he’s also going to take over the role of Governor of Alaska should Palin end up as the VP, and her Lt. Governor Sean Parnell win his bid for Alaska’s sole House seat. My head hurts).
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Here’s where the gloves come off. Van Flein, Palin’s new lawyer, says that the state legislature shouldn’t be handling the investigation at all. It would be much better, he says, if the state Personnel Board (a three person board appointed by Sarah Palin herself) did the investigation. And Van Flein also asked for all witness statements, documents and other materials collected in the course of the legislature’s investigation.


Alaska blog - goed op de hoogte van de politiek daar
http://mudflats.wordpress(...)-and-ready-to-joust/
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  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 21:10:19 #96
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Needs more cowbell.
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NPR heeft ook altijd leuke artikelen. (National Public Radio). Die vertrouw ik over het algemeen meer dan CNN of FOX.

How Much Did McCain Know About Palin?

Day to Day, September 2, 2008 · Republican presidential candidate John McCain says he knew, before offering Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin the job as his running mate, that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant. Nonetheless, the revelation is spurring questions about the vetting process and just how well McCain knows Palin.

"We really have just been introduced to her over the past few days and the McCain campaign has not had time to talk to a lot of people in Alaska about her, to get the full 360 of Sarah Palin," NPR's Senior Washington Editor Ron Elving tells Host Madeleine Brand.

"It's very difficult to do this vetting process quickly," Elving adds, "and it does appear that it wasn't terribly long."

The campaign has said that Palin submitted to a three hour interview with the vetter and answered a 70 question questionnaire. Given that the transcript or questionnaire have not been made public, it's impossible to know what sort of questions might not have been answered.

There is evidence to suggest that McCain was leaning toward Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman as running mates — not Palin — but that his advisors pushed him away from them because they are pro-choice.

"He had been clearly contradicted on this by some of the elements of his campaign," Elving says, "And people telling him, 'If you pick someone who is pro-choice, you will lose the enthusiasm of the convention because so many are strong social conservatives and [will] lose their enthusiasm participating this fall in the November vote."

Initial portraits of Palin, following McCain's announcement, painted her as a sort of maverick. Digging further into her biography has shown, however, that she was not always such a reformer. Though she now declares herself staunchly opposed to federal earmarks and the "Bridge to Nowhere," Ketchikan's Gravina Island bridge, that wasn't always the case.

"I think there has been a turnaround in the career of Sarah Palin and I think it's quite an understandable one," Elving says. "When she first was going from the city level, Wasilla, to the state level and dealing with the power structure in Alaska, she dealt with Senator Ted Stevens and Congressman Don Young and they did things for her that helped her get a lot of money spent in her town."

When she won the Republican nomination for governor, however, her political pathway changed rather radically, he adds.

"It was then that she became the sort of reformer that McCain would be attracted to, a sort of earmark buster, even though she had been a great beneficiary of earmarks up until that point," Elving says.

Elving does not see this as signifying any sort of falseness; so much as "it's that she was in one kind of mode when she was mayor and in another mode when she moved to the state level and then the national level."



Toch vind ik het nog steeds jammer dat het "Pro-Life" argument zo sterk is bij de republikeinen, en dat het in principe een "deal-breaker" lijkt te zijn, omdat ze anders de zeer conservatieven niet aan zich kunnen binden....

Mijn persoonlijke mening is dat abortus moet worden ontmoedigd als er andere uitwegen zijn, maar dat het niet pertinent van de tafel moet worden geveegd zoals de Republikeinen willen. Maar het is ook mijn persoonlijke mening dat er VEEL belangrijkere zaken zijn dan het pro-life argument, zoals..... oh, ik noem maar eens wat: Twee oorlogen, de slechte economie, dreiging van terrorisme, buitenlands beleid, ziekenkostenverzekeringen, social security, etc.... naar mijn mening zijn dergelijke zaken VEEL belangrijker dan het pro-life argument. (En zo ook geheelonthouding als seksuele voorlichting).

Nu vind ik zowel Joe Lieberman als Tom Ridge engerds, maar ik had eigenlijk beide heerschappen een VEEL betere keus gevonden voor McCain dan Palin.....
Proud to be American. Hier woon ik.
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"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin
  dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 21:15:33 #97
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Dat Obama maandenlang een enorme organisatie weet te leiden onder het oog van elke camera, miljoenen stemmen weet te trekken en een bekende en populaire Hillary Clinton weet te verslaan, ja, dat is wel wat betere executive experience dan gouverneur van een kleine staat voor 18 maanden. Dat maakt Obama niet gelijk heel ervaren of andere gouverneurs mislukkelingen. Het zijn trouwens de mensen van McCain die de vergelijking maken tussen Palin en Obama. Dezelfde mensen die durven te beweren dat het grenzen aan het buitenland de gouverneur buitenlandse ervaring geeft. Het hele ervaringsargument is door McCain verneukt.
Géén kloon van tvlxd!
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ik vind het bijzonder vreemd dat Palin niet meer geintroduceerd wordt door de McCain campagne.
nu valt de media/bloggers in die leegte met elk uur zowat een 'onthulling'.

op de site van McCain, niets geen uitgebreide biografie ofzoiets.
dit is alles, haar toespraak van afgelopen zaterdag:
http://www.johnmccain.com/about/governorpalin.htm

het is dom van ze. of ze doen het express om een lage verwachting te creëren.
al de afgelopen maanden was het het Obama-kamp dat het McCain-kamp beschuldigde van lage smear-acties.

nu krijgt het McCain-kamp er van langs. dus: 'all the gloves are off' blijkbaar - aan beide kanten.
ben benieuwd wat de McCain/Palin proxies nog in petto hebben.
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AMY GOODMAN: Richard Mauer, very quickly, since we only have, well, less than a minute, Troopergate, this story of Sarah Palin firing with the public security commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law, the man who was married to her sister, nasty custody case.

RICHARD MAUER: That’s correct. Now, that’s one version of events. She claims she fired him for—because he was not following her policy. But it’s potentially a major issue. Again, this is one of these things where there’s a potential cover-up, with the cover-up—is that worse than the actual occurrence? And that may be what the current investigation is about.

AMY GOODMAN: And she’s also a strong anti-abortion activist?

RICHARD MAUER: Very much so, but a very—and—but as a great campaigner, and I think McCain is going to see that, as well. She’s a great speaker, very energetic. People really warm to her. She’s great at one-on-one. She’s great on one-on-a-thousand.

AMY GOODMAN: Richard Mauer, thanks for being with us, of the Anchorage Daily News.
http://www.democracynow.o(...)e_mccain_taps_alaska
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
  † In Memoriam † dinsdag 2 september 2008 @ 21:57:24 #99
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Het is misschien al voorbij gekomen hier.
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McCain called earmark spending bills "the broken windows of the federal budget process" and vowed to veto every bill with earmarks until Congress stops including them in legislation.

"It may take a while for Congress to adjust, but sooner or later, they'll figure out that there's a new sheriff in town," he said. [bron]
McCain heeft Obama ook verschillende keren aangevallen over het steunen van earmarks.
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Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor, according to an analysis by an independent government watchdog. [bron]
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Op dinsdag 2 september 2008 20:24 schreef Majar het volgende:
Het verhaal dat ze lid was van Alaska Independence Party is onjuist en verzonnen. De gouverneur is eigenlijk al sinds 1982 lid van de Republikeinse partij.

http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/
Wie zegt dat je niet van beide lid kan zijn?
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