Ouders van Madeleine McCann+Tapas 7 weigeren reconstructie..

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McCANN POLICE ARE GUILTY OF CRUELTY
^{Tony Parsons 2/06/2008}
Kate and Gerry McCann could still face charges of neglect, according to the first
published court ruling on the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine.

Official documents in Portugal show that the police there have not yet ruled out
bringing such charges. This hardly feels like a positive step in either finding
Madeleine, or discovering what happened to her.

In the course of their 13-month investigation, the Portuguese police have failed to come up with any answers at all about the disappearance.

It's unforgivable that they have not removed the weight of suspicion from Kate and Gerry, who have paid an unimagineably high price for eating dinner 50 yards from where their children slept. One more question for the bungling plods of Portugal. Haven't these people suffered enough? The Miiror

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Op maandag 2 juni 2008 17:48 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Tja zat er ook dik in, wanneer zouden ze hier komen spoken?
Hopelijk vinden ze degenen die de persoonlijke info hebben verspreid en kunnen ze die linken aan de McCanns of die sekte volgelingen.

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Op maandag 2 juni 2008 22:48 schreef Tmaatje het volgende:

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Beste Suko,
Maak je maar geen zorge hoor, ik trek Mitchell z'n onderbroek over zijn hoofd met zijn broek aan...
Nee eerlijk gezegd verwacht ik hier geen problemen, mocht dat wel zo zijn dan krijgen ze toch echt te maken met 2 moordwijven, Yvonne en Danny en alle FA's geloof me DAT is eng..

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PJ Brought Back to Portugal 3 of the McCanns Friends in Secrecy

WITNESSES CAME TO THE ALGARVE TO REINFORCE TESTIMONY THAT CONTRADICTS THE MCCANNS

Friends are the PJ trumps

In a secret visit to Portugal, three persons who had dinner at the Tapas Bar shattered the McCanns and Jane Tanner versions

Fiona Payne, her mother Dianne Webster, and the husband David Payne. Are the main trumps of the Public Ministry that will lead the parents of Madeleine McCann, the missing girl, on the 3rd of May of 2007, from an apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve, to be accused of the crimes of exposition and abandonment since they left the girl alone in that critical night. It is a crime that is punishable up to ten years of prison and allows the respective preventive arrests, like 24horas announced last week.

These three witnesses returned to Portugal, on the 11th of July of 2007, in a travel paid by the Portuguese State, and where accommodated in a hotel unity of Portimão. They were still questioned by Gonçalo Amaral’s team, the superior coordinator who was removed from the case, and they contradicted the McCann’s version regarding to what went on in the night of the disappearance.

Remember that Kate, Gerry and the other two couples with whom they had dinner, assured that they were taking turns in the vigilance to the children. A fact that was contradicted to the authorities in the above-mentioned secret travel by Fiona Payne and that had already been a put in question in two previous statements, given on the days that followed to Maddie's disappearance, by her mother and her husband.

Jane Tanner Contradicted

“ Fiona Payne gave three statements to the authorities, as well as Matthew Oldfield and his companion, Rachel. Dianne Webster statement [Fiona's mother] was very solid and there was not need of questioning her again”, revealed to 24horas a judicial person in charge connected with the process. In accordance to the same source, “other persons who had dinner with the McCanns - Jane Tanner, her companion, Russell O'Brien, Matthew Oldfield and his wife, Rachel – gave contradictory statements”. And the judicial person in charge exemplifies: "”Jane Tanner always said that she went out from the restaurant to see her oldest daughter. Fiona, David and Dianne guaranteed to the PJ that she never left the restaurant before the alarm was given by Kate. This information was corroborated by several workers of the Tapas Bar restaurant”. These witnesses also stated that Gerry McCann did not even go to check on the children, when he went away of the restaurant, and that he only stayed at the apartment of Praia da Luz entrance.

The only person who stayed in Tapas Bar

Dianne Webster, of 63 years old, mother of Fiona Payne (36 years), was one of three persons who were available to return to Portugal and to help the authorities in the reconstitution of the facts taken place to the 3rd of May of 2007.
She was the only one that was quiet and calm when Kate McCann entered in the Tapas Bar shouting “they’ve taken her!”. The authorities were suspicious of her attitude and she told them that she did not believe in the version of the McCanns. She also pointed out to the PJ that each couple was responsible for their own children and that no one entered in the apartment of the friends[in each other’s apartments].

Facts
SECRET. The McCann organized a "secret" dinner with all the friends with whom they had dinner with at the Tapas, in the Praia da Luz, Algarve, before the rogatory letters sent for England were carried out.

ACCUSATION. The accusation to the McCanns is almost concluded and it should be known before of the 14 of July, the end date for the extended term to incriminate or not the British couple. The judicial authorities are still considering if they will not constitute more arguidos, since the McCann were not the only ones leaving their children alone. Source: 24Horas

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Note: Just to say I will go to bed and try to wake up early to go out and buy the newspaper, the majority of you don't know but 24 horas lately just has the on-line articles after 13pm or even later. Furthermore the on-line version of 24horas is the US version not the Portuguese one, so main pages with the McCanns case, sometimes do not appear.

Just wanted to add one more thing, I know majority of you believe 24horas to be untrustworthy but never forget what the journalists from 24horas have given us, aside Felícia Cabrita and Margarida Davim from SOL, the most important clues and evidences. Also 24horas journalists are not afraid of process like the Express Group, and they have showed that in previous high profiled cases. 24horas is currently much better reporting facts on this case than any formerly respected British Newspaper : for me they are the McCanns Media.

About the cowards: The only man who could pressure editorial guidelines as we have seen in the past year is Mr. Murdoch - Rupert, who owns several media outlets around the world including holdings in various press and TV station[Sky News] in the UK. Rupert the same man who creates and destroys lifes of politicians, the same man who serves as an advisor to the US President, and to the British Prime Minister. The Only Man who could pressure and in fact scare the living xxxx of all the Journalists and chief editors, who are too coward to do anything but oblige 'his masters voice'! Influences, but still this is not the man running the show, he is a supporter of the master puppeteer.

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Madeleine investigation grinds to a halt as police are barred from asking suspects 100 new questions

A friend of Kate and Gerry McCann wants to "reveal the whole truth" about the case but is frightened of the couple's political allies, a lawyer claimed yesterday.

One of the so-called Tapas Nine wants to help Portuguese police with the six-month investigation but "feels obliged to keep silent", according to the unnamed legal source.The lawyer attacked the intervention of "certain politicians" in the case and said they had prejudiced the hunt to discover what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown and Foreign Secretary David Miliband both spoke to the couple directly before the McCanns were made official suspects in the case.Direct contact stopped when they were made arguidos in September but the Premier has been briefed on the case since then and raised it with his Portuguese counterpart last month.

The unnamed lawyer, who claimed to represent one of the Tapas Nine, told the respected Spanish newspaper El Mundo: "My client feels obliged to keep silent about what he can do to help the investigation, and not because of the Portuguese secrecy laws.

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2008 10:27 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Er is gisteravond een server up-date geweest, ik denk dat je daar een staartje van mee hebt gepikt.
Geen McCanns die de zaak hier hebben stilgelegd, dat kunnen ze best zelf.

Mike Hitchens is idd een beetje een mafkeutel, al moet ik zeggen dat er op het 3Arguido's forum ook een paar vreemde eenden in de bijt zwemmen.
Och dat geld verdienen, zelfs haar ouders cashen de tragedie, waarom niet een graantje meepikken.

Dat was de beestenboel van vanochtend dan weer, nieuws is er verder ook nog niet, dus de tuin in?

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It is difficult to see how this visit, on 11 July 2007, could have been in secret as this was the day Fiona Payne, along with Russell O'Brien and Rachel Oldfield were re-interviewed by police to clarify points in their initial statements. They were all photographed arriving at the police station in Portimao.

It was during this time that Robert Murat was brought into the questioning by police, allegedly to 'confront' the 3 members of the Tapas group who had allegedly seen him on the night of May 3rd. Daily Mail report.

The police apparently allowed them to argue over the inconsistencies in their statements and later said that this had been a valuable exercise.

If this report is true, it would suggest that David Payne and Fiona's mother, Diane Webster, were flown in secretly and then interviewed, with Fiona Payne, at a different time or place.

A report in the Mail on Sunday, 08 September 2007, said: 'Anxious to confirm the report at the time (of Jane Tanner's 'sighting'), The Mail on Sunday asked one of the McCanns; friends, Dr Fiona Payne, for an interview.

Initially she strongly indicated that she was prepared to talk to this newspaper but changed her mind when the McCanns inexplicably advised her against it.' This Mail on Sunday report also contains the picture of Fiona Payne arriving at the police station on 11 July.

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I had a free morning so trotted along to this. I must say I found the experience extremely illuminating and am very glad I made the trip.

Leeds Business Week was being held in the Town Hall. There were a number of stalls as you might find at a trade fair. Clarence's talk was in a back room. Very few of the staff and officials dotted around seemed to know it was happening, or who he was. They were more aware of the talk's title: Managing PR in a crisis.

Around a couple of dozen - certainly no more, surprisingly - people were seated in the room. Most were there in a business capacity. Judging by a show of hands 60% were in PR themselves. I suspect I was the only "interloper".

Clarence was warmly received. As he gathered his material, people muttered about the case - stuff like "I hope she's never found, the state she must be in now" etc. I got the impression most present believed Madeleine was dead, but nobody audibly suspected the parents.

Clarence wore a dark suit and dark shirt, which gave him a more sombre look that usual. I was taken aback by the difference between the man before us and the man in the photo behind him from May 2007. The case has visibly aged him: he has less hair than a year ago and a considerable bald patch which is never seen on camera. He spoke firmly - with his usual "I'd love to say more but I can't" type quips - and I must say extremely eloquently.

He began with a sermon on PR. In a crisis - he said - the first thing to do is establish the truth of the situation (almost like a defence lawyer might say "Look, did you do it or what? I need to know"). Then engage rapidly with the media... He stated that there is no such thing as off the record.... everything you say is likely to end up in print. Intriguingly, he advised against using legal action unless as a last resort. With the Express, they'd had two meetings with the editor before sueing over stories reproduced from Portugal. He pointed out how the negative press had greatly reduced since the Express damages - which topped up the Fund by half a million. "Due to their own stupidity."

Clarence said that the golden rules of PR were "never become the story" and "never lie or distort". Inaccuracies should be rebutted. He used the example of the claim that gerry was not the father of Madeleine - one of the major stories they went for the Express over. They produced written proof this was an untrue story. Forums were mentioned quite early on. CM suggested "they are not as anonymous as they think" and hinted at possible action at a later stage. If I were a betting man I wouldn't hold my breath, but you never know i guess.

Intriguingly he was happy to admit the gulf in public opinion over the McCanns, and the differing views of their parenting methods. I got the distinct impression that despite what he has said about "responsible parenting" this man would not do the same with his own children. He then spoke about how he had "spoken to" various columnists when they had been a bit anti-McCann and they had come round... obviously not Jon Gaunt (who was not mentioned). CM said he must always be available (my note - not to Jon Gaunt, who has repeatedly tried to get him back on the air).

He spoke a bit about the events of May 3. According to CM, it was the family, not the McCanns themselves, who got everything going. Jon Corner emerged as the key player, emailing pictures of Madeleine to the BBC within a very short time of the disappearance.

He then mentioned how the pressure for stories was so great that journalists would gather in a bar with alcoholo and free wi-fi to file whatever they could. "All that stuff about the blood" was apparently "made up." He said that even if the McCanns face charges there is "no evidence.... we know that." He then said that an arguido is not a suspect but someone "of interest to the investigation", which seemed a bit disingenuous. There were audible sighs of sympathy when he mentioned journos camping on the doorstep in Rothley - this no longer happens.

He mentioned Jane Tanner's sighting and said that they were still looking for bundleman, whose face appeared onscreen, to no audible titters. He brought up the supposed "show no emotion" police advice and said that Kate "doesn't recognise" the cold individual she appears in those early interviews. I got the distinct impression the ITV docu was specifically made to counter this cold image - CM said that since it aired they had had thousands of emails of support. Including new sightings... He said they had avoided Oprah "for now", because of the "showbiz aspect."

One of the more interesting sections for me began when he was asked questions about his role. He said very clearly that he was briefed from the foreign office very early on that this was a case of "rare stranger abduction", which contradicts what has been reported from Sheree Dodd. He also said that he was similarly tipped off very early on re Shannon Matthews, hence the McCanns "did not touch with a bargepole." Contrasted with this they used images of Maria Luz on McCann posters because they "wanted to help the family". (Nothing about wanting to give an impression of a serial abductor on the loose).

Somebody asked what it was about this case which had prompted CM to give up a highly paid job in the government to work for a family he didn't know, and who would have been out of work had Madeleine turned up the following week. "Good question," he said, explaining that during the month in portugal working for the government he had become taken by the McCanns' plight and tearful calls at 4am. At the same time there were developments in his job/office at the MMU which he didn't like - he didn't specify what they were - so he was perhaps looking to jump ship. Brian Kennedy offered to match the package he was on at the government, which I found highly illuminating. Effectively I would think that this means that if Madeleine turned up tomorrow CM would be on - perhaps - a three year contract or whatever, including pension, perhaps. CM cannot lose.

He did say that he had become "friends" with Kate and Gerry but noticeably said that as a PR you also have to "keep a distance." Which was fascinating, to me. CM is clearly an intelligent man, and despite his claims to "have never heard anything, or seen anything" to make him doubt the McCanns story, which may well be true. But I would be amazed if he had never - not even for a second at 1am - had his own unanswered questions.

What came across very strongly is that despite the occasionally bumbling public image Clarence is an extremely good PR. The "distance" line said a lot for me. If the McCanns are never charged, or Madeleine is found, he will emerge as a hero. If they are charged, and found guilty, the 'distance' will become greater... but CM will point out how he successfully media-managed the shining halo of a guilty couple. In other words, he did his job. Unless CM has not been as careful in his job as he was in this talk, he will come out smelling of roses whatever happens. As to his future, he confirmed that he had had a request from the woman whose daughter was killed in Goa, and suggested that eventually he will develop other clients.

Another thing he mentioned was that every time he says anything remotely unsupportive of the PJ it prompts a "diplomatic incident." He also said that there are things "down the line" that will cause "things to flare up again." I took this as indication of forthcoming revelations, or perhaps charges.

The atmosphere was warm and respectful. Nobody asked "Did they do it then guv?" or asked difficult questions relating to the investigation eg the shutters - they would not have been answered, and any cover would have been blown... but this was a fascinating 90 minute glimpse into some of the thinking behind the McCanns and their very public "spokesman."

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2008 12:44 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Wat ik zo grappig vind, als je zijn antwoorden kritisch leest dan zegt hij eigenlijk net niets, hij kan net zo goed de politiek in.

Hij is idd goed in zijn werk maar ik vergeet nooit dat hij door de fotografen in PdL op een gegeven moment werd gevraagd om een stapje achteruit te doen omdat hij steeds pontificaal in de shots van de McCanns stond.

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To the believers of the McCanns Media aka Gutter Press, and specially to the ones questioning the value of 24horas - this is my opinion:

I believe in the journalists of 24 hours regarding this case - notice that they were correct regarding the interrogations done in England - on Jane Tanner, which couples were going to be questioned and at which hours, etc. ... etc.... Something that attracted my attention and made me understand that these guys had good sources was the article about Gerry not to being the true father of Madeleine, which did not lead to any process for slander. Another thing that makes me believe in them, in spite of their tabloidish style is the past that they have of discovering ‘dirt’ as in case of Casa Pia and the fact that they absolutely protect their sources, as in case of the envelope 9 - the phone tapping done to members of the government.

The initial perception is that in fact the PJ, can play poker with expertise. Either that or someone does not want to be recognized and the facts are coming out pouring under the pressure.

One of the two, The Tapas 9 are really divided and 24horas is already alerting for the fact that arrests are close - but the 10th Tapas will remain a mystery, as it suits the one who has been playing double and dirty games. Do not forget the terrible work of Clarence – a mercenary on the pay. And the McCanns and others 4 will be blamed in a process for negligence, obstruction and conspiracy to subvert Justice - I do not know how can they prove homicide by accident and the crime of corpses occultation.

Or the PJ is fearless and will go up to the last consequences, which might create an immense diplomatic problem there.

I would personally go to the end, but I do not know up to which point the PJ can go without being stopped.

Fun Fact: 24horas is the most read newspaper by politicians at the Parliament.

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2008 21:24 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Hihi, leuke verwarring....
Wat Suko zegt, de PJ heeft niet zo traag gedaan maar de Britse overheid was dat verzoek eerst 'kwijt' en toen heeft het nog ik weet niet hoe lang geduurt totdat men er iets mee deed.
Zij hebben alles zo lang mogelijk getraineerd en daarbovenop kwam toen nog de gespeelde verontwaardiging over het late tijdstip van die reconstructie, natuurlijk kon dat niet eerder want de statements werden pas zo laat gecheckt door dat hele gedoe met die rogatory letters.......

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Op dinsdag 3 juni 2008 21:28 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Spot on, en je mag heus wel een keertje voor mij spreken hoor, we zijn het globaal gezien wel eens, zo niet geef ik wel een gil.
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Echt he, het aftellen tot een reactie is begonnen, wie een wedje wil leggen, dat kan ook.
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M'n koffie, wat doe je?!

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