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is this one better ?
marriot clik on the pic to enlarge
marriot clik on the pic to enlarge
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
I disagree with you on all points and the case was solved in June 2005 and its been a 32 month cover up. Beth does not have the answers or closure she needs nor does the rest of her Family. The Amy Bradley case doesnt have anything to do with this case whatsoever and nothing is similar to what happened to Amy as Natalee. If this ever did to go trial and it was honest the truth would come out and those responsible would be cooked. That is the last thing the Aruban Govt ever wants is the truth to come out. So everyone involved is held hostage because a few want to lie,deceit,cover up and continue to launch a mis-information campaign against a murdered girl and her Family. All to protect a few criminals and there precious tourism.quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 01:08 schreef THEFXR het volgende:
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1) if its true, natalee is dropped into the sea/ocean, the never find her, at least not after 3 years, there's nothing left, from the body
2)Beth, stated in de vries tapes, she has closure know, and the answers she wanted.
3)Joran doesn't face a trial, the evidence is not strong enough to arrest hem again and stand trial.
4) the people of aruba will go back to normal, no matter of this case gets solved or not.
5) if you want your normal life back, you can get starting right away,natalee wasn't your sister or so
6)i think this case will never get solved.
7)Amy Bradley went missing on aruba in 1998, nobody seems to care about here.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
waar staat die telefoon cel dan ?
click op de foto voor een vergroting
click op de foto voor een vergroting
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Nice pictures Johan..The Marriott comes up quite a few times early in this case and I think it plays a role. However my opinion is they were never at the beach when she was alive,if anything it was at a suite,a party or at the VDS home. The Marriott may have come into play after something bad happened.MO
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
i have more pics and will add them tomorrow ,it's a bit late her now
byebye for now
byebye for now
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE
June 1, 2005
Page 78/29
According to Jacobs, the chollers take tourists to the crack houses and get them high on the drug. The victims of this scheme get all "cracked up" and then freely spend their money to buy more of the drug for themselves and other around them. Jacobs say that when the tourists' cash runs out, it's common for the crackheads to either convince them to use their debit or ATM card to get money for more drugs, or they steal the card when the individuals are incapacitated, threatening the touists in order to get them to surrend their secret code. And when all the money is gone and the account is dry, the tourist are let out on the side of the road or often returned to Carlos 'n Charlie's.
Page 89
As I hand the papers back to Jacobs, he takes the opportunity to tell the group around the table that he isn't happy about all the running through the drug houses we have been doing.
"But that's where the leads are telling us she is," one of the men says. "You yourself told me this morning that's where she is, but you guys aren't searching for her," I add.
You should not disturb our choller houses and our whore houses," he says. His comment is so incredulous that no one can respond.
Page 78 - The statement is printed out and I sign it. But I am not allowed a copy of it.
Jug comes back to the little office as I unwind my legs from my arms to get up from the chair, preparing to leave. Jacobs makes a febble attempt to comfort us by saying. "You know ... she'll show up. You should just go to Carlos 'n Charlie's and a crack addict will bring her back when she runs out of money."
Shocked, I reply. "Wait a minute. The two young men who were last seen with her told us they left her at the hotel. Remember? I just gave you all that information. ... Besides, I already told you she doesn't have a debit card with her, and I showed you all her cash. It was in her bag. Whoever has her isn't keeping her for the money."
Beth Holloway Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
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Dave Holloway - ARUBA: Corruption in Paradise - June 1, 2005
Page 9
In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/
TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.
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LOVING NATALEE
June 1, 2005
Page 78/29
According to Jacobs, the chollers take tourists to the crack houses and get them high on the drug. The victims of this scheme get all "cracked up" and then freely spend their money to buy more of the drug for themselves and other around them. Jacobs say that when the tourists' cash runs out, it's common for the crackheads to either convince them to use their debit or ATM card to get money for more drugs, or they steal the card when the individuals are incapacitated, threatening the touists in order to get them to surrend their secret code. And when all the money is gone and the account is dry, the tourist are let out on the side of the road or often returned to Carlos 'n Charlie's.
Page 89
As I hand the papers back to Jacobs, he takes the opportunity to tell the group around the table that he isn't happy about all the running through the drug houses we have been doing.
"But that's where the leads are telling us she is," one of the men says. "You yourself told me this morning that's where she is, but you guys aren't searching for her," I add.
You should not disturb our choller houses and our whore houses," he says. His comment is so incredulous that no one can respond.
Page 78 - The statement is printed out and I sign it. But I am not allowed a copy of it.
Jug comes back to the little office as I unwind my legs from my arms to get up from the chair, preparing to leave. Jacobs makes a febble attempt to comfort us by saying. "You know ... she'll show up. You should just go to Carlos 'n Charlie's and a crack addict will bring her back when she runs out of money."
Shocked, I reply. "Wait a minute. The two young men who were last seen with her told us they left her at the hotel. Remember? I just gave you all that information. ... Besides, I already told you she doesn't have a debit card with her, and I showed you all her cash. It was in her bag. Whoever has her isn't keeping her for the money."
Beth Holloway Twitty
'Scarborough Country'
October 21, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.
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Dave Holloway - ARUBA: Corruption in Paradise - June 1, 2005
Page 9
In fact, he (Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 14, 2005
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9354188/
TWITTY: Well, Rita, like I said, we‘ve been worried as early as June 1 when we saw torn statements at a police station. We‘ve had falsified documents. I mean, we‘ve seen key elements omitted from uniformed police officers‘ statements. We‘ve had a D.E.A. whose statement was never taken.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Anyone who has followed this since the beginning knows these two men were framed to distract and lead everyone away from the real killers. On june 1st everyone knew JK2 never dropped Natalee at the hotel but they still arrested two innocent men while the real Perps were allowed to destroy evidence and cover up for 8 more days. They were arrested because of Dompigs crack head brother in law Buuti Naar and Deepaks statement that a security guard was seen approaching Natalee after they dropped her off.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159285,00.html
Mom: Three Young Detainees 'Know What Happened' to Missing Teen
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Defense lawyers for the former security guards said there wasn't enough evidence to continue holding them.
"This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation," said Noraina Pietersz, the attorney representing Antonius "Mickey" John, 30. John and Abraham Jones, 28, had been detained a week as of Sunday, and have denied any connection to Holloway. "The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don't have."
June 14th Interview with Micky John and his ATTY
Micky says he never got a reason why he was arrested until today. Confirms that they were trying to set someone up and he and his colleague were the unfortunate ones.
http://tinyurl.com/3xpjsu
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159285,00.html
Mom: Three Young Detainees 'Know What Happened' to Missing Teen
Sunday, June 12, 2005
Defense lawyers for the former security guards said there wasn't enough evidence to continue holding them.
"This is turning into a game, an illogical investigation," said Noraina Pietersz, the attorney representing Antonius "Mickey" John, 30. John and Abraham Jones, 28, had been detained a week as of Sunday, and have denied any connection to Holloway. "The prosecution is pretending it has information that we don't have."
June 14th Interview with Micky John and his ATTY
Micky says he never got a reason why he was arrested until today. Confirms that they were trying to set someone up and he and his colleague were the unfortunate ones.
http://tinyurl.com/3xpjsu
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise
Page 183
I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.
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P111 Jorans Book
Tuesday May 31st 2005
Joran rides bus to school, takes exam, visits with principal Werner and sleeps in sick bay.
Paul calls school at 10:30am. Jan v/d Straten wants Joran to give a voluntary witness statement, since the family was creating quite some noise.
Paul meets with principal, then he and Joran head to Bubali Station.
Joran calls Deepak who says, "stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come."
P112
Paul asks to sit in on statement, shocking Joran. V/d Straten reluctantly allows it because Joran is underage.
Joran, Paul, Jacobs and v/d Straten sit in on statement.
Joran calls Deepak during the questioning to ask about Natalee's clothing. Deepak remembers.
P113
Joran tells HI story, it takes 20 minutes. Jacobs types, prints statement. Joran reads it and makes minor corrections. Paul "wanted that everything matched with what i told."
P114
Joran visits neighbor Freddy, talks to sister while waiting for him to get home from school. Joran tells Freddy that he left the girl on the beach and that he and the Kalpoes lied to the police. Freddy "understands a little" and tells Joran that he can trust him.
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Paulus statement (June 23) regarding that Tuesday:
We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.
Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.
We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.
At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0
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Phil McGraw - Disclosure Log
Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 111:20
Pages: 5
Writer/initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement as a witness
++++++++
Why did Paulus not mention in his declaration that Jan van der Straaten was present during Joran's May 31, 2005 interrogation?
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When you consider the questions presented to Deepak and Satish in their May 31, 2005 interrogation ... questions regarding the Fisherman's Hut ... it appears that Joran did not declare the Holiday Inn account in his missing May 31, 2005 witness statement.
In other words ... Joran's May 31, 2005 missing witness statement did not match the May 31, 2005 witness statements given by Deepak and Satish.
Tamikosmom
++++++++++
Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005
At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.
Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.
Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.
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Corruption in Paradise
Page 183
I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.
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P111 Jorans Book
Tuesday May 31st 2005
Joran rides bus to school, takes exam, visits with principal Werner and sleeps in sick bay.
Paul calls school at 10:30am. Jan v/d Straten wants Joran to give a voluntary witness statement, since the family was creating quite some noise.
Paul meets with principal, then he and Joran head to Bubali Station.
Joran calls Deepak who says, "stick to our story, the police has also phoned Satish and me and asked us to come."
P112
Paul asks to sit in on statement, shocking Joran. V/d Straten reluctantly allows it because Joran is underage.
Joran, Paul, Jacobs and v/d Straten sit in on statement.
Joran calls Deepak during the questioning to ask about Natalee's clothing. Deepak remembers.
P113
Joran tells HI story, it takes 20 minutes. Jacobs types, prints statement. Joran reads it and makes minor corrections. Paul "wanted that everything matched with what i told."
P114
Joran visits neighbor Freddy, talks to sister while waiting for him to get home from school. Joran tells Freddy that he left the girl on the beach and that he and the Kalpoes lied to the police. Freddy "understands a little" and tells Joran that he can trust him.
-------------------------------------------------------
Paulus statement (June 23) regarding that Tuesday:
We then departed for the police station in Bubali where we
arrived at approximately 11.00 hours. Jacobs and Kelly took down Joran's statement.
Joran was speaking in Papiamentu and that was translated by the officers into Dutch. I was there when Joran made his statement.
We made a few changes in the concept with regard to factualities instead of observations.
At approximately 14.00 hours Joran signed his statement and we went to lunch in Mc Donalds or Wendy's
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0
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Phil McGraw - Disclosure Log
Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 31 May 2005 111:20
Pages: 5
Writer/initiator. Dennis Jacobs / Shaniro Kelly
Description: statement as a witness
++++++++
Why did Paulus not mention in his declaration that Jan van der Straaten was present during Joran's May 31, 2005 interrogation?
======================================
When you consider the questions presented to Deepak and Satish in their May 31, 2005 interrogation ... questions regarding the Fisherman's Hut ... it appears that Joran did not declare the Holiday Inn account in his missing May 31, 2005 witness statement.
In other words ... Joran's May 31, 2005 missing witness statement did not match the May 31, 2005 witness statements given by Deepak and Satish.
Tamikosmom
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Joran Van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 14, 2005
At approximately 12.30 (May 31, 2005) my dad and me had arrived at Bubali police station. I was interviewed as a witness. I cannot remember that in my statement I had said that I had been at Fisherman's Huts with Natalee. I might be possible that I stated that.
Deepak Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had stepped from my car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I will answer you no.
Satish Kalpoe
Witness Statement
May 31, 2005
On your question if Joran and the girl had gotten out of the car at the Fisherman’s Huts and walked by the sea; I answer you no. Joran and the girl never got out of Deepak’s car.
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"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
BIG STORY 2-20-08
Geraldo Rivera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA
On the record 2-20-08
JQK Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4
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Chris Hansen reports on the Natalie Holloway investigation
'Dateline' Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look inside the search for Natalee Holloway's body this Friday, Feb. 22 at 10pm ET
NEW YORK - - February 20, 2008 – As new information is heating up the Natalee Holloway case, "Dateline" Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look deep inside the investigation and continuing search for her body. The hour-long broadcast, reported on by Chris Hansen, includes an exclusive interview with a friend who was with Natalee the night she disappeared who is speaking out for the first time, both of Natalee's parents and the leader of the search party. The report will air at 10 p.m. ET.
David Corvo is the executive producer of "Dateline NBC."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23261368/
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Geraldo Rivera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA
On the record 2-20-08
JQK Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4
=========================================
Chris Hansen reports on the Natalie Holloway investigation
'Dateline' Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look inside the search for Natalee Holloway's body this Friday, Feb. 22 at 10pm ET
NEW YORK - - February 20, 2008 – As new information is heating up the Natalee Holloway case, "Dateline" Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look deep inside the investigation and continuing search for her body. The hour-long broadcast, reported on by Chris Hansen, includes an exclusive interview with a friend who was with Natalee the night she disappeared who is speaking out for the first time, both of Natalee's parents and the leader of the search party. The report will air at 10 p.m. ET.
David Corvo is the executive producer of "Dateline NBC."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23261368/
[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 21-02-2008 09:25:37 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
dit is wel een redelijk kaartje
dit is wel een redelijk kaartje
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
ik lees , ik lees en lees. en ik blijf maar stteds meer met vragen zitten.
1) wie weet wat het getij was op 29/30 may 2005, en stromingskaarten
alhoewel ik niet geloof dat natalee die nacht in zee is gedumpt
2) is er ergens op internet een map of aruba with street names all of them
ik wil wel eens weten wat de rij afstanden zijn, er wordt geschreven 1:40 bij joran's huis, volgens mij is het veel korter van cnc naar joran's huis, rijafstand joran's huis deepak huis.
ik ga engels typen ook nog
we helpen observer 777 ???
3) is het zeker dat deepak op zijn pc zat op 2:30 , en wat zag die RAMOS dan ??, hebben ze ooit de pc van deepak/satisch onderzocht ??
4) observer 777 do you have the statement from joran 5/31/2005 ?? because you write hollyday inn story is there missing ??
5) where are alle telephone records en places ?? kan iemand mij een lijstje geven wat er zoal gebelt is , waar is natuurlijk de vraag, zonder peilingen.
nu do ik het weer , wordt gek van dat engels
6) is anita's auto ooit onderzocht op dna sporen natalee ???
en omdat ik het niet kan laten, wat is er mis met deze puzzel/ what is wrong with this story observe ??
a) 1:12 am 30 may 2005 , car with people leave CnC
b) 1:30 joran and natelee walk somewhere on the beach , the brothers are sitting in car waiting, joran'call's brothers to have also "fun"with natalee, she do not want to , and goes into the water. or something like that, something goes wrong and natalee don't move anymore, the brothes also look over her and say yeah joran you killed her, joran no you did.
c) 2:00 the boys take natalee in car , one of them looks around if cost is clear
d) 2:15 joran's house the put natalee there, and joran take care of things , i will call you deepak if everything is well.
e) 2:30 the brothers are home and wait neuvers to hear from joran
simple is it not, MY NAME IS J.j.B and I SOLVED it
1) wie weet wat het getij was op 29/30 may 2005, en stromingskaarten
alhoewel ik niet geloof dat natalee die nacht in zee is gedumpt
2) is er ergens op internet een map of aruba with street names all of them
ik wil wel eens weten wat de rij afstanden zijn, er wordt geschreven 1:40 bij joran's huis, volgens mij is het veel korter van cnc naar joran's huis, rijafstand joran's huis deepak huis.
ik ga engels typen ook nog
we helpen observer 777 ???3) is het zeker dat deepak op zijn pc zat op 2:30 , en wat zag die RAMOS dan ??, hebben ze ooit de pc van deepak/satisch onderzocht ??
4) observer 777 do you have the statement from joran 5/31/2005 ?? because you write hollyday inn story is there missing ??
5) where are alle telephone records en places ?? kan iemand mij een lijstje geven wat er zoal gebelt is , waar is natuurlijk de vraag, zonder peilingen.
nu do ik het weer , wordt gek van dat engels
6) is anita's auto ooit onderzocht op dna sporen natalee ???
en omdat ik het niet kan laten, wat is er mis met deze puzzel/ what is wrong with this story observe ??
a) 1:12 am 30 may 2005 , car with people leave CnC
b) 1:30 joran and natelee walk somewhere on the beach , the brothers are sitting in car waiting, joran'call's brothers to have also "fun"with natalee, she do not want to , and goes into the water. or something like that, something goes wrong and natalee don't move anymore, the brothes also look over her and say yeah joran you killed her, joran no you did.
c) 2:00 the boys take natalee in car , one of them looks around if cost is clear
d) 2:15 joran's house the put natalee there, and joran take care of things , i will call you deepak if everything is well.
e) 2:30 the brothers are home and wait neuvers to hear from joran
simple is it not, MY NAME IS J.j.B and I SOLVED it
een vraag vergeten , bij msn data van deepak naar joran en terug
ben je daar ?
anyways fijn te horen dat je .... bent ik spreek je morgen ik ga slapen
take care
hey swa
topa pimp hheehehe
the engels versie zegt anyways fijn te horen dat je thuis(home) bent, echter ik kan het niet goed lezen thuis is het zeker niet zijn 4 letters. IK DACHT zelf te lezen OUDE ???
ben je daar ?
anyways fijn te horen dat je .... bent ik spreek je morgen ik ga slapen
take care
hey swa
topa pimp hheehehe
the engels versie zegt anyways fijn te horen dat je thuis(home) bent, echter ik kan het niet goed lezen thuis is het zeker niet zijn 4 letters. IK DACHT zelf te lezen OUDE ???
stroming bij aruba
Hoe stroomt het water rond Aruba en waar kan Natalee heen gedreven zijn?
De Arubaanse meteoroloog Marck Oduber: „
Dichtbij de Arubaanse kust, zeg tot een paar honderd meter van het strand, staat over het algemeen een landwaartse stroming. In dat geval zal het lichaam terug naar de kust spoelen.
Als je wat verder de zee ingaat, kom je in de Caribische stroming terecht. Die leidt regelrecht naar Panama en Colombia. In dat geval drijft een lichaam de zee op. De kans lijkt me dan bijzonder klein dat het nog wordt teruggevonden. De zee is groot.’’
Wat gebeurt er met een lichaam in zee?
Mirjam van Veldhoven van het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut (NFI): „Dat hangt ervan af of ze wel of niet was ingepakt, hoe de stroming stond, hoe warm het water was en of er veel krabben of kreeften zijn. In warm water bijvoorbeeld ontbindt een lichaam sneller dan in koud water.
En als de populatie vissen en krabben klein is, duurt het weer langer. Er is dus weinig zinnigs te zeggen over deze specifieke zaak. Maar áls er ooit botten worden gevonden van Natalee Holloway, dan is het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut zeker in staat om via dna-onderzoek te achterhalen dat de botten inderdaad van haar afkomstig zijn.’’
Kan een lichaam in de oceaan opgegeten worden door haaien?
Michaël Laterveer, marien bioloog bij Diergaarde Blijdorp: ,,Er zwemmen zeker vijftien soorten haaien in die oceaan, waaronder de tijgerhaai. Daarvan is wel bekend dat die wat betreft voedsel pakt wat-ie pakken kan; er is ook wel scheepsafval in de maag van zo’n haai gevonden. Dus het is niet uit te sluiten dat hij een menselijk lijk opeet.
Zelf vind ik het meer aannemelijk dat het lichaam van Natalee door de aflandige stroming van de kust is afgedreven. En in die wateren zijn veel koraalriffen, waar het aan kan blijven haken. Daar leven weer krabben en veel andere dieren die het kunnen aanvreten.”
Hoe stroomt het water rond Aruba en waar kan Natalee heen gedreven zijn?
De Arubaanse meteoroloog Marck Oduber: „
Dichtbij de Arubaanse kust, zeg tot een paar honderd meter van het strand, staat over het algemeen een landwaartse stroming. In dat geval zal het lichaam terug naar de kust spoelen.
Als je wat verder de zee ingaat, kom je in de Caribische stroming terecht. Die leidt regelrecht naar Panama en Colombia. In dat geval drijft een lichaam de zee op. De kans lijkt me dan bijzonder klein dat het nog wordt teruggevonden. De zee is groot.’’
Wat gebeurt er met een lichaam in zee?
Mirjam van Veldhoven van het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut (NFI): „Dat hangt ervan af of ze wel of niet was ingepakt, hoe de stroming stond, hoe warm het water was en of er veel krabben of kreeften zijn. In warm water bijvoorbeeld ontbindt een lichaam sneller dan in koud water.
En als de populatie vissen en krabben klein is, duurt het weer langer. Er is dus weinig zinnigs te zeggen over deze specifieke zaak. Maar áls er ooit botten worden gevonden van Natalee Holloway, dan is het Nederlands Forensisch Instituut zeker in staat om via dna-onderzoek te achterhalen dat de botten inderdaad van haar afkomstig zijn.’’
Kan een lichaam in de oceaan opgegeten worden door haaien?
Michaël Laterveer, marien bioloog bij Diergaarde Blijdorp: ,,Er zwemmen zeker vijftien soorten haaien in die oceaan, waaronder de tijgerhaai. Daarvan is wel bekend dat die wat betreft voedsel pakt wat-ie pakken kan; er is ook wel scheepsafval in de maag van zo’n haai gevonden. Dus het is niet uit te sluiten dat hij een menselijk lijk opeet.
Zelf vind ik het meer aannemelijk dat het lichaam van Natalee door de aflandige stroming van de kust is afgedreven. En in die wateren zijn veel koraalriffen, waar het aan kan blijven haken. Daar leven weer krabben en veel andere dieren die het kunnen aanvreten.”
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
bedankt joran555 , maar vraag 1 was daar nu niet echt voor bedoelt, het was meer was het hoog of laag water op het strand en de stroming heeft niet alleen te maken met het westelijke deel van aruba, meer wat hebben bootjes zonder motor te verdurenen komen ze makkelijk terug. roerend ofzo. maar persoonlijk geloof ik het dumpen in zee niet op 29/30 mei is te riskant dat je gezien wordt of dat het lichaam terug komt,verder geen tijd en meer van dat soort zaken.
en ergens geloof ik joran nog ook, hij heeft haar niet vermoord en niet als kille moordernaar gehandelt. bewusteloze lichaam gewoon mee terug genomen en advies van vader's afgewacht , die zei dood is dood , maar zonder lichaam geen zaak, en misschien heeft die man eerst wel eens uitgezocht op internet hoe zoiets kan gebeuren met alcohol en drugs. maar absult geen huiszoeking, daar kan ze toch niet zijn (FLAPPIE joop van het hek) vertaal deze grap is in engels !!
en ergens geloof ik joran nog ook, hij heeft haar niet vermoord en niet als kille moordernaar gehandelt. bewusteloze lichaam gewoon mee terug genomen en advies van vader's afgewacht
, die zei dood is dood , maar zonder lichaam geen zaak, en misschien heeft die man eerst wel eens uitgezocht op internet hoe zoiets kan gebeuren met alcohol en drugs. maar absult geen huiszoeking, daar kan ze toch niet zijn (FLAPPIE joop van het hek) vertaal deze grap is in engels !!
ja er zijn vele mogelijkheden :
ze is in de auto omgekomen
op het strand
in het huisje van Joran
gedumpt : in zee ,in een riolerings pijp ,in een grot ,of naar het cermatorium gebracht
ze is in de auto omgekomen
op het strand
in het huisje van Joran
gedumpt : in zee ,in een riolerings pijp ,in een grot ,of naar het cermatorium gebracht
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
je moet gewoon simpel en kindelijk blijven denken, maar deze verdwijning heeft zich twee of meerdere dagen afgespeelt. eerste de schok en dan de raad vragen en daarna ouderlijk handelen om geen schade toe te brengen aan carriere. of ze nu dood was of niet op den duur wel, door medisch nalaten, maar hebben ze op aruba wel een goed ziekenhuis of zouden ze daar ook geen raad weten met coma drinken ?? is kleine gemeenschap niet alle medische hulpmiddelen zijn mij aanwezigquote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 14:00 schreef johan555 het volgende:
ja er zijn vele mogelijkheden :
ze is in de auto omgekomen
op het strand
in het huisje van Joran
gedumpt : in zee ,in een riolerings pijp ,in een grot ,of naar het cermatorium gebracht
pfff, 5 post in a row? and only c/p of the internet, can't you write your own comments? instead of c/p everything.quote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 07:31 schreef observer777 het volgende:
BIG STORY 2-20-08
Geraldo Rivera
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHqVRa_acxA
On the record 2-20-08
JQK Interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Twi7-8OqS4
=========================================
Chris Hansen reports on the Natalie Holloway investigation
'Dateline' Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look inside the search for Natalee Holloway's body this Friday, Feb. 22 at 10pm ET
NEW YORK - - February 20, 2008 – As new information is heating up the Natalee Holloway case, "Dateline" Friday premieres with an exclusive behind-the-scenes look deep inside the investigation and continuing search for her body. The hour-long broadcast, reported on by Chris Hansen, includes an exclusive interview with a friend who was with Natalee the night she disappeared who is speaking out for the first time, both of Natalee's parents and the leader of the search party. The report will air at 10 p.m. ET.
David Corvo is the executive producer of "Dateline NBC."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23261368/
Does anybody know if Joran's classmates/teachers were questioned at all?
If he went to school the day after Natalee's disappearance, they might have noticed some different behaviour and the scratches on his face and his black eye.
If he went to school the day after Natalee's disappearance, they might have noticed some different behaviour and the scratches on his face and his black eye.
Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil.
Heel leuk dat engelse geblaat hier van die amerikaantjes. Maargoed;
Als ze een stoffelijkoverschot vinden in de zee of op het strand in Colombia hebben ze nog niks.
Niks bewijst of joran haar heeft gedumpt of iemand anders... Leuk we hebben een lichaam
Als ze een stoffelijkoverschot vinden in de zee of op het strand in Colombia hebben ze nog niks.
Niks bewijst of joran haar heeft gedumpt of iemand anders... Leuk we hebben een lichaam
eerst nadenken dan posten !
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
De sleutel van de hotelkamer van Natalee is in de vroege ochtend van 31 mei gebruikt. Wie gebruikte die sleutel?
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
nee maar vermissing is dan wel opgelost hequote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 16:19 schreef Angeliquetje het volgende:
Heel leuk dat engelse geblaat hier van die amerikaantjes. Maargoed;
Als ze een stoffelijkoverschot vinden in de zee of op het strand in Colombia hebben ze nog niks.
Niks bewijst of joran haar heeft gedumpt of iemand anders... Leuk we hebben een lichaam
heb ik ergens gelezen , is kamergenot geweest en 31 mei, waarschijnlijk volgende hotelgast, de sleutels zijn niet identiekquote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 17:32 schreef johan555 het volgende:
De sleutel van de hotelkamer van Natalee is in de vroege ochtend van 31 mei gebruikt. Wie gebruikte die sleutel?
Felixa:
PROCES - VERBAAL
I, Giovanni Chevalier HEYLIGER, agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba and the Flex-Team, explain the following.
On, Monday June 30, 2005, around 15:15, I heard as witness a man who gave his name as:
John Joseph WARDLAW
born in United Kingdom on 16 February 1956, living at Montana xxxxxxxxxx, employed at the (International School). This statement was taken in English and translated by me, HEYLIGER, to Dutch and sounds as follows:
I can tell you with certainty that Joran was in school Monday, May 30, 2005. On that day he had helped with moving some school cabinets and folders, because the school is busy with moving to a new building. This may have been done in his free hours, I am not certain of this. Also I can remember that he had become on sick on two days, and he went towards the medical center, which we have at school. This was on Monday, May 30, 2005 and Tuesday, May 31, 2005 this happened. I cannot say with certainty how he leaves school or how he came. He certainly would have come by bus because his mother was absent. The only students who can come with their own vehicles to school are those who have a driver’s license. How he leaves I cannot say with certainty because I am inside when the students depart. But there is an attendance record that you can examine. If he had asked to leave it would certainly be mentioned.
This was the last week prior to final examinations and the lessons continued ordinarily.
J.J. WARDLAW
Overigens:de man is dus 12 dagen later ondervraagd maar al wel eerder genoemd door Pa:
'From Paulus’ PV. 6/18/2005
The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...
PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT
...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.'
Page or pages missing from statement is natuurlijk verdacht....
PROCES - VERBAAL
I, Giovanni Chevalier HEYLIGER, agent first class at the Korps Police force Aruba and the Flex-Team, explain the following.
On, Monday June 30, 2005, around 15:15, I heard as witness a man who gave his name as:
John Joseph WARDLAW
born in United Kingdom on 16 February 1956, living at Montana xxxxxxxxxx, employed at the (International School). This statement was taken in English and translated by me, HEYLIGER, to Dutch and sounds as follows:
I can tell you with certainty that Joran was in school Monday, May 30, 2005. On that day he had helped with moving some school cabinets and folders, because the school is busy with moving to a new building. This may have been done in his free hours, I am not certain of this. Also I can remember that he had become on sick on two days, and he went towards the medical center, which we have at school. This was on Monday, May 30, 2005 and Tuesday, May 31, 2005 this happened. I cannot say with certainty how he leaves school or how he came. He certainly would have come by bus because his mother was absent. The only students who can come with their own vehicles to school are those who have a driver’s license. How he leaves I cannot say with certainty because I am inside when the students depart. But there is an attendance record that you can examine. If he had asked to leave it would certainly be mentioned.
This was the last week prior to final examinations and the lessons continued ordinarily.
J.J. WARDLAW
Overigens:de man is dus 12 dagen later ondervraagd maar al wel eerder genoemd door Pa:
'From Paulus’ PV. 6/18/2005
The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...
PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT
...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.'
Page or pages missing from statement is natuurlijk verdacht....
joran is everyday differentquote:Op donderdag 21 februari 2008 15:51 schreef Felixa het volgende:
Does anybody know if Joran's classmates/teachers were questioned at all?
If he went to school the day after Natalee's disappearance, they might have noticed some different behaviour and the scratches on his face and his black eye.
, but it is not sure if he did go to school the hole day, some write he was sick and the next day , paul called joran did have a hard night so if joran is not himself
