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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:24 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:

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What I read on Scared Monkeys suffices to agree with what yvonne much earlier in this threads, although on another aspect, said; there's a very big cultural lap between (a majoraty of) the Dutch and (problably a lot of) Americans.
Has nothing to do with cultural aspects,it has to do with the facts of this case and the events that happened since may 29th 2005. It's a huge amount of information and I didn't expect you to read it all in one week.

Most at SM were there in the beginning and saw all the dis-information people saying Natalee was in Brazil,Was a druggy,A whore,got pregnant,ran off with a dutch man,parents did it for insurance,Holloways are liars..You don't have a clue about that Ryan..They havent stopped since June 2005. Not too long ago they even had the two psychics that were absolutely evil and lied about everything..I am telling you they spent millions attacking this family and Natalee. People at SM and elsewhere are angry and they have the right to be. When you see all that was done you will be also.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 17-02-2008 04:47:20 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:35 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
Oh, and btw the clue in solving this case'll not lay in trying to find out what Joran did or did not do; but in what kind of girl Natalee really was.
Ok your lost dude..Really lost..She was a straight A student,attended bible class,helped the elderly and was a nieve goody too shoes that probably never even had sex before. Never drank much,never did drugs and was a extremely good kid. She was outgoing,very intelligent and wanted to be a doctor and was ready to go to a 4 year top notch university until someone murdered her and took it all away.

That is what Natalee was like. I know this for a fact. You are looking totally in the wrong direction and I suggest you read up on this case.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
  zondag 17 februari 2008 @ 03:50:30 #243
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Yes "they" have the right to be angry but when men are angry, disappointed or have personal interest, they cannot be objective in all. So for that matter everyone has to read information with care.
Dingendoendingendoendingen..
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Well,
read this with care, and this is just a transcript of an american report:

The Lineup--

Art Wood: "It's Paulus' computer that holds the key to this case."

First week of June, Michael Dompig told Dave Holloway that Paulus VDS borrowed a friend's boat on the day that Natalee disappeared.

In Joran's confession, he called a friend. . .Art thinks that friend was Paulus VDS.

(Art repeats the exchange between Joran and the "friend.")

AW: "Does that sound like an exchange between father and son?"

KG: "Sure does to me, I find it persuasive, it makes a lot of sense; and, it makes sense that Joran wouldn't give his father up to that friend, Patrick, of his. . ."

AW: ". . .it says here, when the Aruban police force ceased his computer, and examined the harddrive, found that on the day that Natalee disappeared Paulus visited some websites looking at the effects of alcohol and drugs on a body."


Ok Dompig and Van der Sloot, sorry but I found out by reading stuff not only on SM but on other sources as well,actually, there is a wig between the sloots and kalpoe's from what I read all over, Gerold dompig is in the kalpoe camp and Sloots are hiding (behind) persons whatever but it's their protection as well, just asking:was Paulus involved in any bribe of for instance a new a Hotel in Aruba when he was dealing contract as a lawyer when he just landed on Aruba?...and so on, it's his, I Have something on you ..(Joran: Ik heb iets op hem).
And of course if this goes up the ladder all kind of people throw out their lifeboat-explanation...but how many lifeboats are left?
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BTW: video's on SM just showed us that Joran has 'serious problems' with Jorans younger brothers as far as Anita Van der Sloot-Hugen her opinion is..so he's a Bully afterall confirmed by his mom?Tales tell on the island his Physics talking 2 times in a better standing..Anita knows...

[ Bericht 3% gewijzigd door letsgetthiscasesolved op 17-02-2008 05:54:44 ]
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Hi letsgetthiscasesolved,

Yes Art brought up old news but good that people heard and may be informed. We all saw the forensics done on the computer.

At 8:37PM PVDS is looking up Drugs,alcohol,the dangers of this for young people,a lawyers office and the word bear. Then a catastrophic virus hits the computer and erases/corrupts most everything at 9:18PM on May 30th 2005.
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PVDS worked many years for the Govt of Aruba and even as a Lawyer. They were not happy with his work and he did contracts for the GOVT. It is speculated that he and Rudy Croes in 1998 helped get convicted felon and known mobster Michael Posner the visa and permits to run/own the Holiday Inn,Excelsior Casino and Brickel Bay hotel in Aruba.

Some background info on PVDS
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2184.msg285533#msg285533
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
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Just to say plain short: All are being tricked by a magic wonderboy who is not high class but can chess as a marble! And so does his dad, but WTF is happening on ' one happy island'?
I've been on Isla M. and I got it right away after the weird taxi appology and the candles on the bed 'just incase of a...' and then we had no power and water for two days...and the whole hotel had diariaa..
But Aruba..that's dutch right? I'm Dutch!
So all shit is being handled right, in the right way?
Well, my opinion is now..buy it Hugo, it's cheap of all the harrassing and you can buy it off the loyal, normal thinking people now (LOL) and maybe you can teach them some by shutting off the power or so...or any not happened earthquakes when the boats are not running...hey what about another bright idea..a tsunami..great!!!
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Observer, I'm reading between visiting relatives and going out for dinner a lot in the stuff that goes to the 10th of june(what you said is pretty believable, or it was the 9th) and it helps to see what's after all tis time is confirmed and a joke or hearsay.
Let's just get a lot of info get secured and confirmed about pvds his young carreer and I'll trow in this as a suprise: I like to know all about P van R and his son LVR or Locoman, just for interest..a guy named Jelle answered tonight somewhere and said he started with P. the firm R+ S dieselservice..after Haarlem in Aruba
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Rofl: Posner, is he at the Gambini's arrest as well or ...?Tacopina has a busy agenda! LOL wonder if he has time for Joran and Mosko..pfffff...Mosko has time enough to get this case his way! May be that's why he gambled this case would be good on his path, all in all it's not a good civil-course lawyer and then the guy Spong who was all the time not kind of PRDV his report, isn't he the contra of Mosko in the surinam case?
ROFL, let's see who has the largest....
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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 06:19 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Observer, I'm reading between visiting relatives and going out for dinner a lot in the stuff that goes to the 10th of june(what you said is pretty believable, or it was the 9th) and it helps to see what's after all tis time is confirmed and a joke or hearsay.
Let's just get a lot of info get secured and confirmed about pvds his young carreer and I'll trow in this as a suprise: I like to know all about P van R and his son LVR or Locoman, just for interest..a guy named Jelle answered tonight somewhere and said he started with P. the firm R+ S dieselservice..after Haarlem in Aruba
The events from June 9th and June 23rd are incredible! I have spent a enormous amount of time on those days and generated a great deal of my interest. It is quite telling looking at who was questioned,who was arrested and what events happened.

I didnt get what you were saying about Jelle? Are you saying Paul Van Der Sloot was involved in R&S with the Van Rijns and someone else? Do you have a link? As far as I know and researched R&S was owned by the Van Rijns as well as the car dealership,export business and go cart track.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
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I have a Link but let's be private about that: A guy named Jelle was also involved in R + S and says:
Local islander: Astrid van Rijn. Paul en Astrid used to live in haarlem and later on in hoofddorp. Lorenzo had born, before any Aruba talk. I'm sure because I went with Paul and Astrid to Aruba...and we st up R + S
etc.
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All info is ok on SM, if you prefer, but just let's get this guy out off the way or his really weird history anyways..weird.
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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 06:49 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
I have a Link but let's be private about that: A guy named Jelle was also involved in R + S and says:
Local islander: Astrid van Rijn. Paul en Astrid used to live in haarlem and later on in hoofddorp. Lorenzo had born, before any Aruba talk. I'm sure because I went with Paul and Astrid to Aruba...and we st up R + S
etc.
Thats interesting but does any of the info relate to the Van Der Sloots? The connecting of the dots with the Van Rijns may be important because so many talk about him but I don't see anything you posted that ties into this case. I really could care less about this Family and just want to connect the dots. I am extremely anxious to do that and if it is proven he isnt involved in Natalee's case I would love to erase everything about this guy. However as of right now I am even more suspicious of LVR then I was in 2005.

We researched about as much as we could on this family and what we didn't know we heard from Jossy Mansur last year. The businesses of the Van Rijn's is known as they were on the internet but if we can further link him to Joran,Paul VDS or Natalee that would be great.

[ Bericht 6% gewijzigd door observer777 op 17-02-2008 07:20:20 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
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OK, at least he's an inreresting guey that I Like to know more off..just..because..

anyways..iff I try to be a monkey..would someone let me in, i'm more interested in M as F
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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 07:28 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
OK, at least he's an inreresting guey that I Like to know more off..just..because..

anyways..iff I try to be a monkey..would someone let me in, i'm more interested in M as F
I can let you in SM..Just let me know when you register. Hopefully you read the thread I put together on LVR,Much of the posts I consider to be people that had good info. Enormous amount of speculation on this guy so I wanted just posts that seemed credible back in 2005. I still have not added some things like what Jossy Mansur told us on radio.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1291.0
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
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Ok , I registered on SM, same name as here
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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 20:47 schreef letsgetthiscasesolved het volgende:
Ok , I registered on SM, same name as here
Ok you will be in as soon as the admin see's my message.


3 pages of deicent info where many of you have asked questions. Still alot more to the first day of this story. If you look at the PV'S Freddy says Joran told him of the beach and natalee being missing,even before the parents arrived in Aruba.

http://www.goodhousekeepi(...)ughter-beth-holloway

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 17-02-2008 22:40:59 ]
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Lipboutje posted this in one of the other threads. Don't know if this is really Deepak's cousin or not but some pretty interesting details towards the end of this post, regarding the gardener's shed and another body that is supposedly buried there (the dog?). Anyway... pretty interesting read.
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Joran van der Sloot may you rot in Hell.
Hello I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Natalee Holloway had been at the casino, and had been drinking with the Joran Van der Sloot he is as guilty as hell the creep slime vampire bat . The two brothers one called Satish and Deepak and Joran Van der sloot, and I thinks a fellow named Steve all creeps , whom had been arrested about this case in 2006, had a plan. They had done this type of thing to so many other other girls in Aruba before. They were to give Natalee a last drugged drink to go, and Joran was to put a drug in her drink, I think a 'Date Rape Drug". He did. Natalee was not really so drunk when she left with Joran Van der Sloot, she was drugged! by all means Joran had asked her to go with him to see the Light House she was pulled to the car . Natalee was not sure about going and had refused at first , but with the drink and the drug in it, she followed him to the awaiting car like a sheep waiting to be slaugthered. It was just her and Joran Van der sloot, not the rest of the guys in the car , as has been reported by other withnesses. Joran started to drive to the Light House but Natalee passed out cold almost as soon as she got in the car! Joran then turned around and drove to a beach close to her hotel! He parked and dragged her out of the car onto the beach where the other three guys came out of hiding. The two brothers and the Steve guy. They all took turns raping her and when the last brother was nearly finished, Natalee woke up but was very groggy, and the second brother finished, as she started to fight them off. They were very angry and surprised, as one of them who gave Joran the drug, was supposed to give enough to keep her out, nearly all night!They all held her down, as Joran put his hands over her nose and mouth and hit her aswell until she died! Remember, Natalee was very drugged but still managed to fight them off, as best she could. She was a good girl but at the wrong place at the wrong time . She had been tricked and drugged. Other girls had been victims, as well waking up on beaches in the morning light, knowing something terrible had happened to them, but not actually remembering what it was.

The boys had not expected Natalee to wake up, so this was a surprise to them all! One of them quickly called someone the father of Joran van der Sloot and soon another car drove up to the parking spot on the beach. This person brought a black, zippered, coroner's, body bag. They then all helped put her inside. I couldn't see the face of the man who came with the bag, but thought it strange that someone could come up with a body bag so quickly! Next they put Natalee in the back seat of the car who's owner brought the body bag. Natalee was inside the bag and it was dark, so they thought no one would be able to see into the back seat, and I assumed that they did not have to drive far to hide the body.

But fortunate there were other withnesses as well . The first gardener that worked for the Van der Sloot family was said to have been deported he seen it aswell but was sent home to where he came from with some money to keep his mouth closed. He was forced and taken by a small plane, to an island not more than 5 or 10 minutes away, from Aruba, to a 'Compound" in the jungle. The 'People running drug things in Aruba, did not want him to talk since he saw something that night the father of joran van der sloot carrying a big black bag and surely something weird , as he had already spoke to someone, a reporter, I think, and they would have killed him aswell, but it would have looked to suspicious, so they just said he was "deported". The first gardener was from a group of poor people , and came to Aruba to work for the Van der Sloots, in order to earn money for their poor family.So some main "withnesses " gone the drugbarons at the aruba drug kartell, so authorities didn't make any attempt to find him, as they thought he would never tell and he couldn't be found anyway. If those same people thought he had talked about what he saw, they would not hesitate to kill the entire poor family, so that no one would be left to talk! It would be mass genocide! He, however, did talk what he really saw that night to some guards that night , and some other people know about what actually happened. I have to say that at least two of the young men that raped Natalee, and killed her, went straight home after the beach to set up alibi's the bastards.
The First Gardener got up around 4 AM to 4:30 AM, or when ever his usual morning work begins, and that is when he saw the guys with the body bag. He knew something was terribly wrong but he quickly turned around and went back to where he slept until no one else was around. When this gardener, told the wrong person that he saw the Van der Sloot boy at a certain time, I think his first statement was correct. This was his only mistake, and they had to get rid of him. They had no idea he saw them with the black body bag. I cannot tell you where she is buried, as if one of them finds out I have repeated this much, they will try and move it. I just know some very powerful people way up in the island gourvernement with some powerfull influence on that Island helped those guys hide the body and coverup all the tracks.
Poor me I am afraid to talk

The Dutch authorities sent those guys over to Aruba, as they had already been in trouble and they were an embarrassment to the Dutch Authorities. Joran Van der Sloot and the two brothers, would go to school and leave whenever they felt like it rich new kids and you know the rest aswell and the teachers were too afraid to call them on it!
Those three got away with first degree 'Murder' all the time. They finally got into such trouble that they had to be sent away. Joran was back in Aruba, at it again, along with his friends. but fled to Holland to the city Arnhem and sometimes city Haarlem in Holland
You know that the Island survives on it's drug and tourist industry. Many drugs are sent from Aruba. This is why the authorities are so afraid of this story, as they all get kick-backs from the drug money, I know there was a big up coverup meeting there were also six people who had a meeting this year in an Aruba Courtroom.
One included the current Judge. They were talking about the case, and especially about Satish Deepak. They said he was a loose cannon and unstable, and were worried that he might talk! It seems everyone, all adult, in that courtroom, knew what happened to Natalee including the Senior Van der Sloot, who was there in the room with the Judge and four others. They were not in session, as the Judge had his robe open and was standing around with the rest of these people.

Poor Natalee Holloway case is a real problem for Aruba may God have her soul, as she is not the only one who has gone missing because of the same type of action, or drugs. So the Drug kartell warned to sent Joran van der Sloot to Holland They cannot kill the entire Van der Sloot Family and the others that have been arrested, which would probably solve Aruba's problem, as far as the drug business goes.
I have seen that Joran Van der Sloot boy was wearing a blue and white stripped shirt the night Natalee was murdered, and Satish wore a blue T-shirt.


I have to say the gardener said Natalee, is buried under two false floors under the old gray garden shed, on the Van der Sloot property! But because if they catch wind me talking, the body will surely be moved! The first floor of the gardeners shed had some pallets for a floor, and under this floor is another false floor that has dirt over it, so it looks like the ground, but if you look closely, you will see two small handles near the edges of the floor that can be taken up. Even the present gardener doesn't know it's there. In this shed is a lawn mower, and a rake, a bucket and some garden tools. There is also a terrible odor that is partially from the fish cut up to fertilize the gardens. This is what throws them off the scent, so to speak. Natalee is not alone under there. There is another body in there with her,

Well may be you can help
my identity must be protected in case this comes out .
I hope you are very careful with this information and I leave it with you, because you seem to be the only one who can help

I am a cousin from Deepak I seen it all

Thu Aug 16, 04:21:00 PM EDT

posted by ANASTASIA at 9/27/2007 06:07:00 PM

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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 03:43 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Ok your lost dude..Really lost..She was a straight A student,attended bible class,helped the elderly and was a nieve goody too shoes that probably never even had sex before. Never drank much,never did drugs and was a extremely good kid. She was outgoing,very intelligent and wanted to be a doctor and was ready to go to a 4 year top notch university until someone murdered her and took it all away.

That is what Natalee was like. I know this for a fact. You are looking totally in the wrong direction and I suggest you read up on this case.
That was her image, wasn't it? But I find it odd that such a girl would go to a casino, meet Joran and would go away with Joran and the two Deepaks into the night. If I should be a detective, I would gather more information about the Natalee nobody knew or nobody saw.
It's a bit like the tv-serial 'Twin Peaks' really.
I´m back.
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Op zondag 17 februari 2008 21:33 schreef observer777 het volgende:

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Ok you will be in as soon as the admin see's my message.


3 pages of deicent info where many of you have asked questions. Still alot more to the first day of this story. If you look at the PV'S Freddy says Joran told him of the beach and natalee being missing,even before the parents arrived in Aruba.

http://www.goodhousekeepi(...)ughter-beth-holloway
Thanks!
I am reading now DK's statements and SK's statements about FZ
From SK Statement june 24 05:

'You ask me if I was scared when we were talking with Freddy about the missing girl. It is possible that I don’t remember. I say that we, Deepak and I, did not know that Freddy knew the real story. The real story, which was on the beach. It do not understand why Freddy was told that, according to me he knew both stories already.

My brother and I asked Joran what really happened with the missing girl. Joran told us that they had gone on the beach. He took his shoes off. He walked in the water with the missing girl. Then he stepped out from the water, I say that they both came from the water. The missing girl fell asleep. We, my brother and I, tasked him how far from the water he had left the missing girl laying. Joran had said that he left the missing girl approximately a meter from the water.

Deepak and I have known Joran for approximately a year. I’ve known Joran longer, a little longer than a year.

On your question how I believe that Freddy knows both tales, I can explain the following:
Freddy himself had told both tales to my brother and Joran. Afterwards my brother asked Freddy to ask Joran what really happened, since Freddy is Joran’s best friend and certainly Joran would tell Freddy the truth.

My brother and I had doubts concerning what Joran had told us. I found Joran acting nervous when he told us what happened on the beach. I found it also strange that he left the missing girl this way near the water for that time. Okay avoided he ask that direct do had concerning missing little girl and him on the range. (He avoided direct questions regarding the missing girl on the beach?)

How did I know that Joran became nervous? I can explain the following:
Joran looked around then visibility was gone and tried to avoid eye contact. Also his eyes opened further. Also he gave me the impression that he had to think of what he would say. Also it was notable to me that he didn’t want to talk long regarding the beach, but always concerning the tale of the Holiday Inn.'
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