Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #5

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:49 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Nou kan ze niet vinden hoor, wel van Natalee maar niet van Joran

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0

heeft iemand hier een datum van??

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:44 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
Pic's van die avond

http://www.riehlworldview(...)zed/joran_at_cnc.jpg

weet niet of dit de zelfde avond is, wel het zelfde shirt, mocht het die avond zijn......

kijkt naar zijn schoenen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0

je bent goehoed!

Ik weet niet of de laatste die avond was, ik heb hem wel eerder gezien die foto, inderdaad op zijn flickr site

foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand

help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0

Krantenkop uit Aruba van 8 december 2005

BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum

Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?

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by me :
that's an easy court case then.

Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:55 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
foto's van flickr al in HEX bekeken maar er zit geen data in : iemand

help i need a date for this picture : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/27786717_6a6d14bce4.jpg?v=0

The pic fits his statement for May 30.

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To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots.

Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:

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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm

Sorry but Joran is is source i dont trust AT ALL

Dutch experts say Dr. Phil tape in case of teen missing in Aruba ‘manipulated"

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - Forensic investigators in Holland have found someone altered a taped interview in which a Surinamese man allegedly claimed to have had sex with a U.S. teen who disappeared while visiting Aruba, the island's police chief said Wednesday.

The tape was an interview with Deepak Kalpoe by an investigator hired by the U.S. television program, the Dr. Phil show. In it, Deepak allegedly claimed to have had sex with Natalee Holloway, an Alabama student, before she disappeared in May.

"The tapes played on U.S. television appear to have been altered to suggest Deepak admitted to a sexual act, our forensic investigators tell us, the original tape did not say that," Gerald Dompig, chief of police for the Dutch Caribbean island, said in a statement.

On the tape, Deepak allegedly said Holloway "dressed like a ***," and he, his brother, Satish, and Dutch national Joran van der Sloot had sex with Holloway, who would have turned 19 in October.

"I have reviewed the findings of the Forensic Institute in Holland...those results state that the tapes were not authentic in regard to statement made by Deepak Kalpoe," Dompig said.

http://newsgroups.derkeil(...)005-11/msg02434.html

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:03 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
BY observer777
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Your lost and apparently don't read well or understand what I posted in this forum

Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...That is all still to be decided by the courts,but now you are saying it is proven..You have proof? I will provide you what the research and the truth says and that is all. I could care less what your opinion is and I certainly don't have to prove anything to you. I came here to share knowledge and to let the dutch people know what really happened in Aruba. All in hopes of solving the case and ,I certainly will not argue with you anymore. I see you are researching things they we analyzed well over two years ago! Maybe in two years from now you will understand what I was trying to tell you?

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by me :
that's an easy court case then.

Not sure if these are real. but the sound the same even with the same background noises
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELxTwuoveLA dr. Phil

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXD3hJu2-kY&feature=related actual tape

pwned

Observer777

I'm not arguing with you, we have the same goal, but i see a lot of media reports from you, wich COULD be true YOU and I cant verify that. Or else please provide me with the data as stated before

I'm not claiming the truth.... sometimes i have the feeling you are, without facts.

i'm trying to give facts, but i'll be the first to let you know when i'm not 100% sure

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:04 schreef Atreidez het volgende:

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The pic fits his statement for May 30.
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Joran's statement, 9/6/2005 http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran69.htm

There are pics of Joran in the Casino wearing white shoes, so maybe he changed them when they took a short stop at his house?

btw ff off-topic jij zat vroeger toch ook veel in FMT?

off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:36 schreef observer777 het volgende:
I see this forum has been taken over by BwennieBren and Wallofstars who continue to post mis-information, attack the truth and wreak havoc.. It was obvious they have another agenda,especially BwennieBren and I have better things to do with my time then argue with two that have no intention of letting the truth be known on this forum. Like I was telling you all earlier there are paid ATA members,friends of the perps and just weird internet people that have done this since the beginning and it is no suprise it happened here. I knew it would happen and not much I could do about it. If someone is genuine here and wants to know the truth I will help them. I will not respond to another post of theirs.

dear Observer777,

then please give me all the factual information you have collected over the last couple of years. I can understand that it frustrating to have to defend what you believe is the truth. And i'll join your point of view if you give me facts, that are verifiable for you and me.

sources like FOX news or CNN are not verifiable for me, i dont have acces to that information.
if you have please share it with me, PM or i'll give you a mail adres.

But please dont accuse me of spreading Dis-info, everything i've posted in this topic is verifable for EVERYONE in this topic. I never assaulted you or told you lied. Just that you at some point dont convince me
with the sources you state. I'm not attacking the truth, the truth cannot be attach as it is fact.

but you have to provide that fact before you can claime it as the truth.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:26 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:
off topic denk het niet want ik weet niet wat je met fmt bedoelt?

ik bedoelde ook Atreidez en FMT =Fok Movie Trivia waar ik een paar jaar geleden verslaafd aan was.;)

Ik denk dat je beter niets meer kan zeggen die die overspannen, overemotionele monkey want die is echt niet goed bij haar/zijn hoofd. Die denkt dat hij/zij hier modereert Zonde van je energie.

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i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.

but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth on scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 10:51 schreef Caesu het volgende:
i very much doubt that they have an agenda.
i think it is pretty healthy to always stay sceptical especially in a case so messed up like this one.
so dutchies want to try to verify as much as possible for themselves too.

but peter r. is on the case. i am sure he is not going let is legacy be tainted by this joran van der sloot-scandal.
i am sure he has a lot more leads.
i can't wait to listen to him and beth scaredmonkeysradio tomorrow.

Thank you very much for this clarification.

I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down" he/she loses all credibility.... but hey... there is so many information about this case on the net, different opinions to verify what is true or not.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:02 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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Thank you very much for this clarification.

I think Observer doesn't realize that maybe also the crew of Peter R. de Vries is lurking here as well, even posting here for usuable information. And by his/her stupid remarks like "friends of the perps", "tell your friends they're going down" he/she loses all credibility.... but hey... there is so many information about this case on the net, different opinions to verify what is true or not.

i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.

i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:

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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.
but dutchies just can't pick up all information in just one or two weeks.
i am not even going to try anymore.
i have established for myself it is one big mess.

i am only trying to figure out how this is going get spinned by the Aruban / Dutch officials.
very interesting how this is going to work out with so much attention both sides of the Atlantic.

I told that several times to Observer that I understand the frustration, but it seems that my written English is not clear enough or her/his eyes need glasses or he/she just don't want to understand. Reading is difficult for some people
And it's exactly what you say, the dutchies can't pickup this information that fast, with links and transcripts and vague stories about pics and so few actual FACTS. For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently and BAM she/he is not responding the his posts anymore, talking about credibility..... snapje wat ik bedoel?

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:11 schreef Caesu het volgende:

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i do understand his frustration.
i mean they have been working nearly 3 years almost 24/7 on it.
just unbelievable that those people were translating dutch / papiamento media al those years.
i am sure they know much more about aruba than the average dutchie.
really an extraodinary effort.

Absolutely, there effort in this case is amezing, and I absoluutly understand observer777's frustration with my questions and staments, However i hope he will be back and will still talk to me. else mabye tommorow with PrdV on SM, he will be able to share the info with him. But im pretty sure he would like to have facts, and would dismiss media reports. Because he (PrdV) knows very well the worth of the reports without having the facts to back it up. And he will probably not use other media sources in his contining quest for the truth about natalee. (So far he didnt use them, to my knowledge)

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:19 schreef BwennieBren het volgende:

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For example Observer say he/she knows for a FACT that the tapes of Skeeter (may he rest in peace) are not altered. Then WallofStars proves differently

Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.

but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.

and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 11:34 schreef WallOfStars het volgende:

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Observer777 NEVER CLAIMED the he knows for a FACT that the were not altered, he claimed it wasnt proven in a court case, and that is absolulty true, it not proven in court.

but when you have them both side by side. You decide. And i think, as a lot of people, Also in the US that there think were altered.

and i have the feeling the court case wil do the same

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Thats a total lie about the Dr.Phil tapes..Now your making stuff up. It was edited for TV and nothing was changed so he says,certainly was not proven he did anything to change deepak's words...

Oh well... sounds factual to me

But hey, we are blabbing here about a discussion which is no discussion at all...

Let see the facts

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Op woensdag 13 februari 2008 09:14 schreef deedeetee het volgende:

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Mij ook best hoor, veel plezier nog verder

Ow en nog ff voor de duidelijkheid : ik heb niks tegen MADMaster hoor. Die zit idd dáár en wij niet. Ik bedoelde dat ik die Observer van het begin af aan al een zeer merkwaardig figuur vond.
Heleboel geschreeuw en niks geen wol
Ik vond de discussie zonder hem en zijn apen - die ons wel worden belooft worden, maar nog steeds niet uit de mouw komen - een stuk interessanter.

_{zo en nu ga ik ff kijken hoe het nou zat met dat pelicaan bot, vanochtend geen tijd voor ik moest werken}