Natalee Holloway (in the rebound) #4

wwwever,

I figured sooner or later people from that website would come here and post that crap. Please read back in my earlier posts as I answered some of those very same questions from someone else(Natalee Rebound section 1-4). You are really really far off from reality of what happened to Natalee and are posting flat out lies and mis-information. RU is one of the most hateful sites on the internet and post's lies,wrong info and continiously attacks and slanders a victim and her her family. Not all the posters but a majority of them. Alot of sites talk bad about SM? Care to name them besides the Hate site RU? Julia Renfro has done some of the most vile acts I have ever seen in my life,what she has done to Natalee and her Family is something I will never forget. She is a proven liar and lost all credibility long ago.

How would you like it if your daughter was murdered and you had someone like Julia Renfro telling people she ran away with a Blue eyed Dutch Boy,Ran away to another island,was impregnated by her stepfather,Accused you of lying and hiding Natalee..etc etc etc.. Way too many things to list as she is being payed for her dastardly acts and is friends of the Van Der Sloots.
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Snip of two articles that tell the story way too nice of two things things Julia has done to Natalee's family
The reason Renfro suddenly found the Twittys disinterested in her help was the fact that she also orchestrated, or at least contributed to, one of the cruelest hoaxes of the investigation. Twelve days after Natalee’s disappearance, Renfro suddenly appeared in downtown Oranjestad where Jug Twitty had made an unplanned stop to buy some clothes (the circumstances surrounding how she found him remain mysterious). Renfro was hysterical over news that Natalee had been found dead and her body had been moved to the island’s courthouse. When asked where she had learned these details, she claimed it had come from one of her regular sources, a deputy information officer in the justice department.

What followed was a frantic, ten-block car race to the courthouse made more uncomfortable by the fact that Renfro had pushed herself into the family’s already full minivan (she took a spot on the console), conspicuously inserting herself, perhaps now as a newspaper reporter, into the unfolding story. Upon arriving at the courthouse, a throng of television cameras met the family. What happened next was a long, uncomfortable walk to the courthouse where Jug and his friends found a locked door and an apparently empty building. It was later learned that no justice department official had ever leaked the information. The incident was yet another nightmarish spectacle that the family endured during weeks of searching for their daughter. Renfro’s contribution to the occasion was the beginning of the end of her association with the family (another fact not found in the Vanity Fair story). It should be considered that while the search for Natalee Holloway continues, it took weeks for the family to figure out which personalities on the island were credible or not, which has led to some hurt feelings along the way.

http://tinyurl.com/349mmk
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Snip from Beths Book

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Books/story?id=3675252&page=1

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 10-02-2008 08:48:17 ]

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Op zondag 10 februari 2008 04:57 schreef wwwever het volgende:
One other thing I just thought of.

The police stated that no other calls were made from the beach area, accept those to Deepak. What if Joran had 2 cellphones? Not very unusual especially not IF he is the date-raping drug dealer some people claim...

Did the police check all calls made in that area or only his phone and the payphones? At that time probably only a few calls were made in that region (or entire island by the way)

He was using two phones.His and Anita's..Speaking of phones there is a new development in the case today.
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Natalee Holloway: Comments Form Jossy Mansur Regarding New Developments in Aruba and Joran Van [b]der Sloot
2-9-08[/b]

The following are comments that I received today from Jossy Mansur, Managing Editor of Diario. It would seem that Aruba has grown sick and tired of Joran Van der Sloot and his actions. Although they are late to the game, they now do not believe Joran Van der Sloot’s story or his excuses. Joran is no longer welcome in Aruba. It’s about time that Aruba stopped running cover for Joran. Then there is the following confirmation regarding a man who claims he found a telephone behind the lighthouse in 2005. The walls are caving in around Joran Van der Sloot and his family.

Everything is happening in Holland. The Dutch government is now interested in the case and plans to do something about it, we were informed from Holland. Joran was interrogated for more than two hours by the dutch national police and three policemen from Aruba. We still have to hear what came out of that.

The Minister of Justice declared Joran ‘persona non grata’ (unwelcome) in Aruba. He also said he is kicking Paulus off every government committee in which he has a seat (hospital, prison, etc.). Late, but proof of the change of attitude noticeable everywhere on the island. Most people here are convinced Joran is responsible for Natalee’s death.

The people here are really fed-up with that character. The worst that could have happened to him is the video recording made by De Vries. No one believes his story about being under the influence of marijuana because he never stuttered, never hesitated, his eyes didn’t become vague or unfocused, he was in complete command of himself all the time. He could have used it as an excuse had it not been shown in its entirety (in Dutch) and was seen and heard in Aruba by practically everyone.

Voices are now being raised to kick him and his family off the island. Others want the U.S. to extradite him. Things are moving fast on that level, but on the official level we find the prosecution still pussy-footing with it.


A man claims he found a telephone behind the lighthouse in 2005; it was broken; he fixed it and dialed a person with the phone, so his story goes. The person apparently answered and said that that number belonged to Paulus Van der Sloot. The man is now giving testimony to the police. Late, but still important enough to be taken into consideration.

(Scaredmonkeys.com)
http://tinyurl.com/3ygm6r

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 10-02-2008 08:07:56 ]

Cracking the Holloway Case?
Meet the crime writer who believes he's solved the mystery

Snip
What happened after you aired your first show on the case?
We were getting information from everywhere and hearing very strange things. For example, when the police came to search Joran's house, they tried knocking on the door and are greeted by a justice official. We uncovered a lot of new stuff, but we didn't solve the case. But we knew there was something rotten.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260

One of the bones found in 2005 that we never heard anything about. We were told this was a monkey bone or a prop. This was found in the closest part of the Venezuelan coast to Aruba.


[ Bericht 52% gewijzigd door observer777 op 10-02-2008 08:07:00 ]

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Op zondag 10 februari 2008 08:55 schreef wwwever het volgende:
Ok thx for the reply

@ Observer
At least one site I found a rather negative comment on was NH Forensic
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What's SM's opinion on that site or rather on the essay?
You say Joran used his mothers phone on the beach aswell? Surely there must be records of that, I've never heard this. The idea that Joran had 2 phones never came up?

I'll read up on Renfro and will read your previous posts.

But what about Mansur, surely his criminal past must've been mentioned before in the media.

I believe your monkey bone should be a donkey bone. And no way that something can drift from Aruba to Punto Fijo.

I kinda regret not really following the case even though I'm lviing 1 island to the east...

Gonna get some sleep GN

Never heard of that site before and I have been following this since the very beginning. You found one negative comment from a troll? Are you kidding me? I never said Joran had two phones at the beach..There is no evidence that says they were ever at the beach! He had access to his mom's phone as well,as we know from the PV'S when his Father called him the next day when the Family arrived,they went on that wild goose chase and Joran was using Anita's phone when he was out gambling. Of course the boys were dirty and sweaty and not the kind of clothes you wear in a casino,so it's unlikely thats what they were doing. That makes two nights in a row on school nights that he said he snuck out and was up all night without his fathers permission..Yeh right!!!

You should also know that Deepak's car was spotted inside of the VDS compound that very first night,when the Family finally arrived a little later at the VDS house the car was gone!!!!!!!! PVDS came out of the house after 10 minutes of honking and sirens with a cell phone already in his hand. We have strong reason to believe the Van Der Sloots were tipped off that Natalee's Family was on the island and on there way to the house. Also Natalee's Mom noticed her account of that night was serious altered in her testimony by Lead Investigator Dennis Jacobs. At least 6 months later they promised her she could give her witness account again if she came back to Aruba,Instead they grilled her about Insurance Money,Being related to hitler and dealings with people in Colombia.

The next day on June 31st when she met him (Dennis Jacobs)early in the AM he said he needed to eat his frosted flakes first and shave. As she waited 3 hours for him she noticed that Deepak's car was parked on the side of the police station and this was June 31st in the AM. When he was done eating his Frosted Flakes he told her she was not needed and sent her home. That day or the following day when she finally gave her witness account she noticed that there was a PV from Joran torn and on the ground. This was a narcotics officer,what business did he have being the lead investigator in the biggest murder case in Aruban history? This dirty cop handled all the evidence!!!! So much to say about this guy and he was on the case for almost two years!

Speaking of Donkey bones,there were other bones found with flesh and meat still on them that were decaying that were found early in the case in June,one or two of them looked like Human Bones. One of them they said was a Donkey bone. There is more to this I will tell another time. I am not saying that Arm bone is Natalee,but we were told it was a monkey bone and then a human prop. How can you say for sure that was not Natalee? That happened after the hurricane and was found at the closest part of Venezuela to Aruba. Where is that arm bone?

As far as Jossy Mansur goes,he is the only person in Aruba that has gone out of his way to try and help this Family and he continues to do so. I think he cares and has done a enormous amount to help and on his own time and used his own money. He may have other political motives but it is irrelevant for trying to get the truth to this Family about what happened to there daughter. You being in Curacao should know this.

[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door observer777 op 10-02-2008 10:38:04 ]

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Op zondag 10 februari 2008 19:03 schreef Drexciyan het volgende:
wat vinden we hiervan:
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=6192575384273936337&q=natalee+holloway&total=391&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=7

zeer interessant. vraag me af waarom dit onopgemerkt is gebleven in de media.

These two frauds were brought to Aruba by Minister of Tourism Briesen and Minister of Justice Rudy Croes. This is a perfect example of the wide spread cover up by the Aruban Govt. This was in every newspaper,tv station and on the radio in Aruba. Everything they said was 100% lies,they showed no proof of anything and then left the island. Obviously they did it for the money. Rudy Croes said they should be taken seriously,but the Arubans themselves proved they were lying about everything like the time the Family arrived in Aruba,Drug abuse by Natalee and being pregnant..etc etc etc Pure evil!!

What is interesting is back in 2006 they claimed there were murders because of Natalee,specificly Pitbull who had his head bashed in,legs cut off and set on fire..But Aruba called it a suicide. He worked as a bouncer for a local bar called choose-a-name that was burned down after his death. He is also the x brother in law of Gerlad Dompig as is Boeti the star witness who got two innocent men arrsted and sent the investigation away from the real perps. The fraud psychic said a guy named edward croes of top 95 witnessed the murder last month during that BS press conference. He also claimed that Lorenzo VR was the murderer. Strange he can make these claims on TV and Radio but no one ever looks into it?

One of the reporters in that video is Rene'e Gielen,friends of the Van Der Sloots and reporter from Curacao she put out that other BS story(The other side) brought up here in this thread with Julia Renfro. These are disgusting low life humans making money off of a murdered girl and her parents!! This is all a huge waste of time and disgusting to the core,but I am glad you brought it up as it shows a bit of the lying,slandering,wrong information put out by the Aruban Govt. Everyone knows it it BS,It was put out for public consumption for there precious tourism and to combat the real truth because that week Beth was on Oprah.

Two frauds leading the way in the media for the Dis-Information and lies coming out of Aruba

Rene'e Gielen


Julia Renfro



[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door observer777 op 10-02-2008 23:54:01 ]

Search at the VDS home. Since when do Murder Rape and Kidnapping suspects get Immunity from having there property searched? Since when do they allow a Deputy Commissioners to obstruct justice in a murder Investigation? Since when do the Judges,ALE and Prosecuters all tell a different story and point fingers at each other but never resolve what happened? [color=blue]After this story was printed and Dompig was accused of Obstructing a murder Investigation I see he is running for a high ranking position in the ALE..Are you kidding me?[/color]

Ok,One last time I want to make sure this is all on record. I am convinced they are caught in a huge lie here. If something is wrong here please correct me!!!!!! It just doesnt make sense that Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects never had there house searched for 2 years!! We all saw they went in like lightening arrested 2 innocent men,did body searches,forensics in home and cars but for some reason the real perps were granted immunity. What did the Dutch first do when they arrived in Aruba? Did they question Beth what she did with Natalee? No they searched the VDS home and did forensics tests at the Kalpoes.
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Dompig: Said they were dissapointed that the judge did not allow them to search more than just Jorans Apt and they were turned down for a full search of the entire property. They were denied again when PVDS was arrested 8 days later for Premediated Murder and Kidnapping.

Peter De Vries: Told us that when they(ALE)arrived to search the the entire Van Der Sloot property but they were shocked when High Ranking official Ben King answered the door and they found out Judge Wit restricted the search of the VDS home to just Jorans little Apt and the two cars.

Judge Wit: Tells us that Dompig obstructed the search to give the Van Der Sloots privacy. Says the OM(Prosecutions Office)Never asked to search more than just Jorans Apt and the two cars. Said he had to make a decision on the spot? That if something was found it would not be allowed?

Karen Janssen:?
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Translation - posted by Lazlo at RU
Bob Wit defends himself in Bon Dia.

(For sure translation faults, but on or about what it says is the following)

Ex Head Commissar Bob Wit defends his actions in the Holloway case.

-Willemstad- "I have acted correct procedure wise in the case of Natalee Holloway, The ex Head Commissaris in the affair, Bob Wit tells about the procedures that took place fast in the first days of the investigation. During one week, Mr Wit who's avenue is affiliated with the Court of Justice of the Caribbean, has functioned as a Head Commissar in the case here.

On Aruba the Chief of investigation in the time when Gerald Dompig was the Head Commissar, did not approve of the search of the house of the parents of Van Der Sloot as part of the investigation and had obstructed the investigation (?). The investigation of the Dutch crime investigator Peter R. de Vries, has came to the same conclusion. It was remarkable in the case that after the Dutch group of investigators had joined the case they were allowed to search the territory of the family. The impression was given also because it was the deal of a functionnaire who was learning to become Head, felt he had to protect the privacy of the family. Paul van der Sloot, father of Joran van der Sloot after having become a suspect in the case. ....... (no idea)

Mr Wit, had to decide in an instant about the search of where Joran's father lived, and made the decision to allow the search of the apartment of Joran van der Sloot and also in the two cars of the family.

At no moment they had (asked?) to search more then that. A Head Commisar cannot do otherwise, because the petition has to be substantial. Another word is by having allowed to search at other places that were not covered by the petition of the OM all evidence eventually obtained would be illegal. This is very significant since dealing with the case ourselves we had to work in a correct manner, Mr Wit says.

The ex Head Commissar also says by having dealt with the case himself the suspicions against Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers is strong.

I had concluded from the dossier there had been various contradictions in their declarations. But that is not enough to succeed in a conviction. In a case where no the remains are found in order to treat it as a crime you have to have additional material such as a witness who has seen it happen or traces of blood that for example can be tested for DNA, so the Magistrate tells.

For one thing is, the case itself, Mr Wit says that even after time has passed one can still prosecute the suspects. I have seen often in my work the instant good new information comes up that can throw a new light on a case that was unsolved, so Mr Witt is commenting. The Ministry Public in Aruba has announced this the week that the case here ....of a "crime" is 7 years for murder and 10 years for premeditated murder.
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OCTOBER, 2005

http://scaredmonkeys.com/(...)lity-1-nay-sayers-0/

Reporter: And the police only searched his apartment, deputy chief?

Dompig: That is correct. The fact is that we as a law enforcement agency always try to get the maximum. Meaning that we want to search as much places as possible. We were not granted by the judge a search warrant for the complete house, we only received the warrant for the apartment.


NOVEMBER, 2006

Peter De Vries
On the Record w/ Greta
November 27, 2006

VAN SUSTEREN: What about the search of the van der Sloot property? Was that ever done, and was, you know--including, sort of, the cabana area where Joran lives?

DE VRIES: Well, the search in the home address of the family van der Sloot was very strange because the search warrant was made by head prosecutor Karin Janssen, and contained an allowance to search the whole address, “Montanja nineteen.” So, the gardens, the buildings--everything. But, when the police was on the spot, another high-ranking employee of the Justice office--it was Mr. Bob Wit--reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran--and that was very strange.


Beth Twitty
MARTHA MCCALLUM
November 28, 2006

TWITTY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we do not have any evidence and that is what Joran’s attorney will have to be reminded of. It is because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Mon. 19 - the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot a high ranking employee of the Justice Office, Bob Witt, reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so that’s why we do not have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.
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[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door observer777 op 11-02-2008 07:49:57 ]

I can't read Dutch or Papi but I see some interesting things written here at this person's site. One is a letter to The Boss of Karen Janssen,here is her response back. His initial letter was interesting and worth the read if it is still on his site. Basicly she was saying they were waiting for video from holland before they arrest JK2 and that she saw no evidence that led to the arrest of the two innocent men that were detained for 10 days. Obvious attempted frame of two innocent men while they led the Investigation away from the real killers.MO






http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html


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ZATERDAG
Hij heet Freddy Arambatzis, bijgenaamd "Locoman Pimp" en is 18 jaar oud. Freddy is opgepakt in relatie tot de Natalee zaak en 'Gang Rape' en maakt deel uit van de 'Gang', Joran en de Kalpoe broeders. Ik wist niet dat we een Gang Rape ploeg hadden maar 1 van de drie meisjes die verkracht zou zijn heeft een aanklacht ingediend. De twee andere meisjes durven -nog- niet. Waarom niet? Hebben we op Aruba dan toch een duistere macht die alles onder controle houdt of wordt Pappa van der Sloot geholpen 'op hoog niveau'? Zeker is dat de rol van Pappa van der Sloot zeer discutabel is en meer weet dan hij wil zeggen. De -bijna - rechter zit niet goed in elkaar. En stel je toch voor dat deze man op de rechterstoel zou komen te zitten. Ik bedoel, zijn collega's zijn veelal geitewollensokken tipoos en volgens mij krijgen we vanuit Nederland alleen maar kneusje toegestuurd die hier recht moeten komen spreken.

http://www.renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html