Ik bedoel ook niet echt dat ik dat verhaal als het gene wat er gebeurt is beschouw, maar bijna niets is meer onwaarschijnlijk in deze zaak en tenslotte was joran helemaal alleen op het strand met haar dus kon hij in feite alles doen misschien ook wetende dat ze de volgende morgen zou vertrekken en waarschijnlijk zich dan toch niets meer kon herinneren wat er die nacht gebeurt was omdat ze verdoofd was door alcohol/drugs (een shot 75% alcohol voor een 18jarige hakt er denk ik behoorlijk in zeker als ze al het nodige op had).quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 09:27 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Lijkt mij een te farfetched en ook te specifieke theorie, zonder dat je die kunt bewijzen. Northernstar heeft volgens mij een vrij onwaarschijnlijke theorie geproduceerd dus.
Overigens denk ik dat Paul van der Sloot helemaal geen rol speelt in het relaas.
But that guy didn't only use a Dutch sim card, he also actually was in Holland at the very same time, wasn't he?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:09 schreef Ticker het volgende:
Peter R made a good point yesterday, and looking at his face he was quite surprised himself that he figured it out that fast.
Joran called to the Pauw&Witteman show, making a statement that with the phone you can only call to other country's. I response peter said that the guy that supposed to help Joran dispose the body, might have had a duch phone. Knowing that he is staying in Holland right now, why not have an dutch sim-card.
ah intressant maar daar zal toch al wel aan gedacht zijn?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:10 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Joran kan natuurlijk ook met Natalee's telefoon gebeld hebben en daarna weggegooid
deze man weet hierover meer volgens mij
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CROES, Charles August II (DOB 9-15-45 USA) - Aruban cell phone business owner contacted by the Twittys to help them locate those who were seen with their daughter the night/early morning of May 29/30. Natalee reportedly made 2 calls in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005. Owner of cellular phone company DigiCell.
If we assume that he is telling to truth.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:13 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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But that guy didn't only use a Dutch sim card, he also actually was in Holland at the very same time, wasn't he?
Jeah sure, but he could be lying about the death of Natalee also though. So absulely nothing is sure after Peter R's show. Perhaps he even killed her, perhaps he left her while she was still alive.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:15 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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If we assume that he is telling to truth.
But we can also assume that in Aruba there are lots of teens with dutch sim-cards. So it's not necessery that Joran called Audri, and it's probably that Joran is still lying about the real name of the person(s) who helped him.
Sure it is. Better yes afcourse it is.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:19 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Jeah sure, but he could be lying about the death of Natalee also though. So absulely nothing is sure after Peter R's show. Perhaps he even killed her, perhaps he left her while she was still alive.
His confession was not a confession, I'm afraid.
What I saw was a fucked up kid, who wanted to make an impression on his friend, who was an cool, elderly, criminal.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:26 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Sure it is. Better yes afcourse it is.
It would be a disgrace to say that with the hours footage you can not see that Joran is telling the outlines of the story.
Either that, or you just have an hard time telling if people are talking truth or trash.
Body language sais it all.
That much is true.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:19 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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Jeah sure, but he could be lying about the death of Natalee also though. So absulely nothing is sure after Peter R's show. Perhaps he even killed her, perhaps he left her while she was still alive.
His confession was not a confession, I'm afraid.
LOL Nu.nlquote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:30 schreef Ryan3 het volgende:
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What I saw was a fucked up kid, who wanted to make an impression on his friend, who was an cool, elderly, criminal.
He is telling the outlines of a particular story, in which facts are true and some facts are not true.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:26 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Sure it is. Better yes afcourse it is.
It would be a disgrace to say that with the hours footage you can not see that Joran is telling the outlines of the story.
I disagree; its a well known fact Joran is a competent lyer and cheat. He has even been admitted for psych-care for his compulsive lying. This makes it very hard to just go with his statement and treat it as 'the truth'.quote:Either that, or you just have an hard time telling if people are talking truth or trash.
Body language sais it all.
Danny Kaye once had a movie that depicted that disorder. The life of Walter Mitty or something. And it actually is called the Walter Mitty disorder, I thought. And judging bij what Joran said (by telephone call at P&W's) he is aware that he has this affliction.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:36 schreef Scorpie het volgende:
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He is telling the outlines of a particular story, in which facts are true and some facts are not true.
This makes the 'confession' that much harder; every statement Joran makes has to be backed up by proof, otherwise there is no telling if its the truth.
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I disagree; its a well known fact Joran is a competent lyer and cheat. He has even been admitted for psych-care for his compulsive lying. This makes it very hard to just go with his statement and treat it as 'the truth'.
ja, je kunt iedere boot van het hele eiland laten zien en daar de eigenaren bij posten en zodoende deze in het complot kunnen betrekken.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:35 schreef johan555 het volgende:
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deze is boat owner en is iets ouder
GEERMAN, Marciano – Boat owner
GEERMAN MARCIANO L.G. SMITH BLVD. 544
http://www.morningstararuba.com/crew/crew.htm
was it: "blub, blub, blub and fuck a shark" on someones voivcemail...quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 10:10 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Natalee reportedly made 2 calls in the early morning hours of May 30, 2005. Owner of cellular phone company DigiCell.
I know, that's what made me laughquote:
1. Why should they do that service? Because Joran's father was a judge trainee?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 11:00 schreef ZoneKill het volgende:
Als blijkt dat die Daury er echt niets mee te maken heeft dan blijven er wat mij betreft eventueel 2 opties open.
1- Joran is letterlijk doodsbang om te zeggen wie hem geholpen heeft (onderwereld figuren die het lichaam hebben opgeruimd en hem kapot maken als hij gaat praten)
2- Zijn vader heeft op 1 of andere manier ook meegeholpen in de verdwijning.
Omdat hij vaag doet over wie geholpen heeft en dus onschuldige kennissen verre/oude vrienden gaat aanvoeren als helpers. Net zoals hij die 2 broers ff meetrekt in zijn verhaal en die broers kon hij pas kort paar maanden dus die broers wisten ook niet precies wat joran voor een figuur is.
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