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  zaterdag 15 maart 2008 @ 11:50:38 #251
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Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 11:33 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ohw, die bijna kidnap had The Mirror al eerder, zie post, maar ik snap wel hoe dat gaat, wat kleinere kranten kunnen tegen goedkoper tarief het nieuws alsnog plaatsen, alleen wat later. En dit zijn de gevonden katjes, http://www.cronica.com.mx/nimagenes/3/a9f2956ad3.jpg Meer in dit 3arguidotopic (poster Keesha) Anyway, men denkt daar ook dat de verhoren na de Pasen gaan plaatsvinden: "Hello maid marion. It's possible that interviews are already taking place, but I doubt it. The PJ were quoted as saying (a few days ago) that it would be within 2 weeks, but if it took longer, so be it. That would take us to the Tuesday after Easter, which sounds to me about the best they could hope for. Unless, of course, they had some willing interviewees. Someone who wanted, perhaps, to tell the truth and get it off their chest. Do you see any candidates amongst this motley Tapas crew? Well, maybe a couple, in which case maybe the PJ and Leics police will have deserved a nice family Easter before resuming hostilities. But I'm not counting on it!" Laatste post uit een heel lang topic. Wij hebben geduld, echt wel...

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, ho, dat had ik niet gezien sorry, naja, in afwachting van de verhoren en tijdens het spreekverbod nu is het in elk geval discussiemeterial, ik vind de beschrijving van de blauwe auto en de vrouwen vrij summier, hopelijk heeft die moeder bij de politie een betere beschrijving gegeven.
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Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 11:50 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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, ho, dat had ik niet gezien sorry, naja, in afwachting van de verhoren en tijdens het spreekverbod nu is het in elk geval discussiemeterial, ik vind de beschrijving van de blauwe auto en de vrouwen vrij summier, hopelijk heeft die moeder bij de politie een betere beschrijving gegeven.
Alle sightings in ogenschouw nemend moet men eigenlijk helemaal niet meer naar Portugal én Spanje gaan. Het sterft er echt van de creepy gipsy men, Marokkaanse vrouwen en ander gespuis. In bv Engeland gebeuren zulke dingen niet.... En verder een boekbesprekinkje, pro-Portugees maar dat geeft even niet :

Paulo Pereira Cristovão speaks out for his former colleagues
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The author of "Estrela de Madeleine" (Star of Madeleine) says about his book that it is "a book that will bother, but I'm free to write what my conscience dictates", he tells 24 Horas. In the Star of Madeleine, Pereira Cristovão basis himself on conversations with work colleagues, the news, police intervention, and most particularly on the political pressure to which the investigation "was subjected".

"When you have the prime minister of one country talking about how he is going to talk about this with his counterpart about an ongoing crime investigation, there is influence"he states. And it is based on that influence and "British interference" that he places the two PJ investigators, Francisco Meirelles and João Gomes (ficticious names) on the field.

The book begins with the officers being informed of the disappearance of a child from a resort in Praia da Luz. "The information arrived late. There was already a British tv station, the embassy, the British police, and a PJ head that had knowledge of the disappearance and only after was the PJ investigating team informed". "Time was wasted and then the Police bowed before a theory that was built from the outside in. And the only ones that are going to be thwarted will be the police" he accuses.

Paulo Pereira Cristovão confesses this he is approaching this book differently and in a pro-Portuguese manner. "I want to show we may be (a) poor (country) but resourceful. And that British interference only hindered my colleagues work", he says. For that reason he dedicates his book to his former colleagues from Portimão, Faro, and the DGCB. The Star of Madeleine ends with an enigmatic sentence.

Whoever figures it out will have the key as to what the author thinks happened to Madeleine. No one has been able to so far. As of next Tuesday, Pereira Cristovão invites you to try. Bron
Wat er nou met die laatste zin wordt bedoelt? (ook Joana Morais schrijft er over)

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dan moet je het boek kopen (of inzien in de boekwinkel ) en die laatste cryptische zin ontcijferen, de oplossing naar de auteur sturen en dan hoor je vanzelf of je het goed hebt
[i]"you left me standing here, a long long time ago"[/i]
  zaterdag 15 maart 2008 @ 12:24:19 #254
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Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 12:10 schreef Suko het volgende:

Alle sightings in ogenschouw nemend moet men eigenlijk helemaal niet meer naar Portugal én Spanje gaan. Het sterft er echt van de creepy gipsy men, Marokkaanse vrouwen en ander gespuis. In bv Engeland gebeuren zulke dingen niet.... En verder een boekbesprekinkje, pro-Portugees maar dat geeft even niet :
Zou dit boek niet geweerd gaan worden uit de Britse boekenwinkels?
Typisch dat vingertje wijzen, het zijn ook altijd die Gipsies, Marokkaanse vrouwen en ander gespuis die dit soort dingen doen, echt een boeman hunt, dat de meeste psychopaten en moordenaars zulke aardige mensen leken en dat niemand ooit had verwacht dat ze hier toe in staat waren wordt voor het gemak maar even vergeten.
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Paulo Pereira Cristovão speaks out for his former colleagues
Tja, het gespin gaat 2 kanten op, maar de PJ is het wel erg moeilijk gemaakt, een verstoorde crime-scene, vervelende detectives, Clarrie en een groep arrogante Engelsen die elkaar onvoorwaardelijk blijven steunen en dekken, gag orders, lekken (dan met name over dat oog van Maddie en verdere info die anders alleen maar bij een dader bekend had kunnen zijn)
Ik zie niet in hoe er in vredesnaam na al die tumult nog een gedegen onderzoek plaats had kunnen vinden, de politie hoort toch als eerste ter plaatse te zijn en een onderzoek te beginnen?
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[/b]Wat er nou met die laatste zin wordt bedoelt? (ook Joana Morais schrijft er over)
Ik denk niet dat dit een oproep is maar een soort van steek na, niemand kan hier iets zinnigs over zeggen, alle bewijzen en getuigenissen zijn volkomen om zeep geholpen en door het ontbreken van een mogelijkheid sporen veilig te stellen komt de waarheid alleen boven water als Maddy wordt gevonden.
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Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 12:22 schreef milagro het volgende:
dan moet je het boek kopen (of inzien in de boekwinkel ) en die laatste cryptische zin ontcijferen, de oplossing naar de auteur sturen en dan hoor je vanzelf of je het goed hebt
Ja ja, en de meest interessante uitkomst, naar believe van de schrijver, is de oplossing...a shame really, mijn Portugees is allerbelabberst en ik geloof idd Kahaarin dat het boek buiten Portugal niet te krijgen is, dus ook niet in een vertaling. Zal vast wel op i-net komen, een uittreksel of zo, van een onvermoeide Blogger....

Alvorens ik voor het weekend de buurtsuper ga leegshoppen, een interessante post met 'feitjes' van vorig jaar, gelezen op het speurforum the3arguido.net:
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Below are some excerpts taken from the site below which has translated from portugese press
in August 2007
In relation to questions being asked about where certain quotes and stories originated from

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176 for further reading

Mrs Fenn - Daddy Daddy

By Felicia Cabrita, with Margarida Davim
Translation by summer

The version that the McCann couple and their group of friends have been giving about what happened on the night that Madeleine disappeared, is shaken by new testimonies that were collected by Sol.

The English started by saying they took turns every 15 minutes in order to, through the windows of the rooms where the children were sleeping, listen if anything abnormal was happening. This ‘vigilance’ system, which they assure was efficient throughout a week of holidays, is questioned by an English citizen who lives in the apartment above the one that was occupied by Kate and Gerry McCann.

Senn told Sol that, on the night before she disappeared, Maddie cried for quite some time, calling out ‘daddy, daddy!’.

The Tapas Table

Also the table waiters that were working in the resort’s restaurant – the Tapas, where the group of friends had dinner that night – didn’t notice much movement of checking on the children. One of them guaranteed to Sol that, since the beginning of dinner (which started between 8.30 and 9 p.m.), only two men got up, almost simultaneously.
One of them was Russell O’Brien, one of the doctors of the group, who was absent for most of the dinner and who returned to the table 5 minutes before Kate went to her apartment and noticed Maddie was missing. Russell then explained that his daughter was sick, and even “vomited so it was necessary to change her bed sheets”. One of the employees of the Ocean Club, who was heard by Sol this week, contradicts his version: “If that had happened, he would have to ask the housekeeping service for some clean sheets, which did not happen”.

The Cars and The DNA etc.
Inspectors in parking lot

PJ inspectors returned yesterday to the underground parking lot in Portimao where they had analysed automobiles the day before, in terms of the investigation.

Around 6.45 p.m., approximately six inspectors with forensic equipment suitcases went down into the parking lot. The policemen were followed by the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department from PJ in Portimao, Goncalo Amaral, and the national assistant director, who is responsible for the Faro Directory of PJ, Guilhermino Encarnacao. The directors were underground for a brief time, having left through the access ramp around 7.20 p.m., without comments.

In that parking lot, in the fourth and last subterranean level, ten cars were analysed, which belong to Robert Murat, to family and friends and also to the McCanns themselves. (…)

Three English Policemen

Three english police officers that volunteered to help PJ continue to do so.

It was revealed that the english police also helped in the first days searches, and even sent equipment that could track human heat, which was used in the searches.

Phone Records

phone calls made on may 3rd between 8 and 9pm in Praia da Luz are being thoroughly investigated. English experts are helping with this.RM's and SM's phones were tracked but aparently nothing important was discovered. SM was not in the area at the alleged time of the abduction

Pact of Silence
Madeleine’s parents and the friends with whom they spent their holidays in PDL are suspects in the inquiry. There are contradictory versions about the night of the kidnapping, and an assumed pact of silence in the group

One remembers the words that the mother, Kate Healy, is supposed to have said to a friend (and that the husband, Gerry McCann, did not know): “I had a bad premonition about my children, when I found out the Ocean Club had no baby listening service”.

Mathew Oldfield, one of the elements of the group, is back in England. He reacts with surprise upon the contact of Sol, but he does not avoid the conversation: “We drank. We were on holidays. So what?”.

And thus the days followed one upon another, at the Ocean Club. The holiday week is almost over and the group’s spirit does not change. Nobody had noticed until then, how the children were kept at a distance
One of the military assures: “This is an extremely silent area, where there are practically no passing cars. That shutter was very difficult to lift from the outside, and would have made a lot of noise. It would have been a lot easier to use the door, but there were no signs of a break-in”.

This was just one of the reasons why the group became suspicious in the eyes of the investigators. Russell O’Brien, Jane Tanner’s husband, is already back in England, but he knows he could be summoned back to Portugal for a deposition anytime. Over the phone with Sol, he tries to keep his british phlegm: “It is normal that we are suspects, and the DNA test is a consequence thereof. We were the closest people involved”.

One of the employees that was on duty that evening does not remember a lot of movement: “I only remember a tall, grey-haired man getting up once from the table”. It was Russell, who, two days earlier, also had attended dinner.

And Russell, when the questions start to surround him, loses his sympathy: “I have nothing further to tell you. I am not going to dishonor the compromise I assumed with Kate and Gerry. They want to control all infornation that is disclosed”.

Gerry and Kate’s friends, who are interrogated tightly by the PJ over almost a month, refuse to clarify this contradiction, when asked by Sol. “We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else’s business”, says David Payne, another element with the group.

Minutes after we tried to contact Kate, Gerry, in a fury, calls the Sol journalist: “What do you think you are doing? Do you think you’re better than the portuguese police? I’m going to forward your contact to PJ and you will have to explain yourselves”.

The director of the Policia Judiciaria in Faro, Guilhermino da Encarnacao, confirmed with Sol that “we do not discard the possibility to have the family and friends as suspects”.

Does this mean that the T7 gave their DNA???

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Gezien tegen het licht van de komende interviews van God mag weten wie allemaal door de PJ ism met hun Britse collega's wordt hieronder de vraag gesteld óf de datum 3 mei 2007 wat betreft de vermissing van Madeleine McCann wel klopt. Dit nav een ouder artikel uit de Daily Mail die natuurlijk nergens meer is te vinden, opmerkelijk omdat er geen slur instaat eigenlijk, maar misschien wat ongemakkelijke stukjes? En dan met name deze stukjes wat gaat over een kort bezoekje op 20 mei 2007 van Gerry McCann aan de UK, dit in het kader van de laatste foto en klopt dat wel...: "He will trawl through four years of family albums and videos to select new pictures of her for his 'Find Madeleine' website. Then he will prepare to return to the Algarve to continue the search. "Gerry wants to go through all the photographs and pick some to put on the website. The more images there are, the more she will be in people's minds." Ook op FOK! (halverwege de pagina) hebben we het daar over gehad.
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Gerry did return home to collect photographs (old report) 20 May 2007
Alone, the father of Madeleine McCann began the saddest journey of his life Daily Mail - Online link has been removed

Seventeen days after his four-year-old daughter disappeared, Gerry McCann flew back to an empty house that is still fresh with her memory.

Madeleine parents

[Photograph appeared here] with accompanying text:

Taunt: Kate McCann with an armful of Madeleine's toys, and husband Gerry walk from church past a shop window poster that apparently blames them for the disappearance of their child

Her room is as she left it when the family set off on their holiday to
Portugal last month. Her toys are still there on the bed, her clothes in the wardrobe.

But with remarkable fortitude, the 38-year-old consultant embarked on a heart-rending mission in his ceaseless campaign to find his little girl.

He will trawl through four years of family albums and videos to select new pictures of her for his 'Find Madeleine' website. Then he will prepare to return to the Algarve to continue the search.

Madeleine 'sightings'

The visit was the first time Mr McCann has been apart from his wife Kate and their two-year-old twins since Madeleine vanished from their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3.

He volunteered to make the journey alone to spare Mrs McCann the ordeal.

Last week the 38-year-old GP said she "couldn't even consider" leaving Portugal while Madeleine was missing.

The prospect of returning without her daughter to the home where they shared so much happiness would have been "too painful to contemplate", according to a relative.

Madeleine's parents will search the whole world for her

Madeleine's aunt, Philomena McCann revealed: "They're both finding it so incredibly difficult. They can't grieve but they can't be normal. They're just focused on finding Madeleine, because that's all that matters.

"Gerry wants to go through all the photographs and pick some to put on the website. The more images there are, the more she will be in people's minds."

Mr McCann who has been spearheading the Find Madeleine Internet and publicity campaign from an apartment in Praia da Luz, will meet lawyers and UK organisers during his brief stay in Rothley, Leicestershire, where he and Kate live.

The family's website www.findMadeleine.com has received 100million 'hits'.

Madeleine McCann: Missing since May 3

A spokesman for the couple in Portugal said Mr McCann was returning to Britain "to do positive things".

"He's very focused," the spokesman added. "He is going out there for very practical reasons and he's going to get back here as quickly as he can."

The trip will also give him the chance to deal with the routine domestic matters that have been neglected during their extended stay abroad and allow the two doctors to make arrangements for staying away for the foreseeable future.

For the last 17 days they have been trying to keep some sort of routine in their life, on the advice of trauma counsellors and for the sake of their other children, Sean and Amelie.

When they are not working from their campaign 'nerve centre', or praying in church for their daughter's safety, the couple are steeling themselves to create little pockets of comparative normality.

At the weekend Mr McCann played tennis and the couple sat on the beach with the twins. Mrs McCann is trying to clear her mind by exercising and jogging against the clock.

And the couple have again sought solace at Mass in the tiny church in Praia da Luz - their third Sunday service since Madeleine disappeared.

During their walk they passed a poster apparently blaming them for the disappearance. Stuck in a shop window, it consists of four pictures of their child arranged around the words: "Mummy help me".

Workers in the car hire shop - Auto Rent III - refused to take it down.

Saleswoman Maria Rocio said: "Whose fault is it that the girl has gone missing? It's the family's. They should never have left the children on their own."

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Why is this report, which does not appear on any online search engines, so significant to the investigation? Because it clearly states that Gerry went home to collect photographs and videos of Madeleine.

But why is that so significant?

Other reports, related to this trip, vaguely stated that Gerry made the flying visit home to attend to "personal matters" and to meet organisers of Madeleine's Fund. If the trip was as described in this report and confirmed by Philomena McCann, to innocently collect some more photographs of Madeleine, then why the veil of secrecy?

Gerry released his first blog that day and there was no mention then, or afterwards, that he had been home to collect more photographs of Madeleine. Surely, that would have been information he would have been only too happy to pass on - the release of new photographs is always of great interest to people. (Gerry's Blog vanaf 20 mei)

Perhaps he kept it quiet to avoid association.

For just 3 days after arriving back in Praia da Luz, from this trip back to the UK to collect photographs and videos, the 'last photograph' of Madeleine suddenly appeared - 21 days after Madeleine had been reported missing. (May 24, 2007 The last family picture of Madeleine McCann The Times)

We know that Alex Woolfall sat with the McCanns on May 5th and went through the images on their digital camera to find good pictures of Madeleine for publication.

The Times reported: 'The McCanns had photographs of Madeleine on their digital camera, which Mr Woolfall began transferring to a laptop computer. "I said to Kate, 'Let’s try to identify pictures where her face is visible'. Downloading the images was a very difficult process for them. It was upsetting.

"They were trying to do two things at once: one, emotionally deal with what was actually, really happening to them; two, operate in some sort of logical way to help get her back." Mr Woolfall transmitted the photographs to the Press Association in London, from where they were distributed to the media. The portfolio included the now famous image of Madeleine wearing a hat on a tennis court.'

It is surely extraordinary that the 'last photograph' of Madeleine, showing her full face, should not have been chosen for release at that time. Even if the photograph had been grainy and indistinct, it's significance to the investigation, as the last 'living' picture of Madeleine, cannot be overstated.

That is, unless it wasn't there.

Just 4 days after the 'last photograph' was released, mobile phone video footage was produced allegedly showing Madeleine and the family setting off on their holiday - one showing them all on the shuttle bus and the other showing Madeleine stumbling on the steps as she boards the plane.
(Mobile phone footage of Madeleine boarding the plane)
(Mobile phone footage of bus trip)

So, given the significant time these images had suddenly appeared, could it really be possible that these were actually 'old' images, collected by Gerry on his trip home and subsequently falsely presented as being of the current holiday? If they were, then it would have a massive impact on the investigation because it would destroy the photographic evidence that Madeleine was still alive at 2:29pm on May 3rd.

With that 'evidence' gone, there are no independent witnesses to Madeleine being alive on May 3rd - beyond the apparent statement of Charlotte Pennington, who has already changed her story once before. (pagina gewijd aan Pennington)

Miss Pennington, speaking originally to dispel the story that there was a missing 6 or 7 hours leading up to Madeleine's disappearance, said: "I was helping give the children high tea. The twins were there and Madeleine and both parents. "It was supposed to finish at 5.30pm but because they were a big group and really social, it didn't finish until about 6pm. There was nothing out of the ordinary at all."

Yet, speaking on the Channel 4 Dispatches documentary 'Searching For Madeleine', the following month, she said:

"On May the third, it was just Madeleine I was reading a story to. I later saw them around lunchtime. That's the last time I saw them together as a family." It should also be remembered that Charlotte Pennington was not Madeleine's nanny. That was Catriona Baker, who has refused to comment on the investigation, saying: 'I don't want to go through it again.'

We know Bridget O'Donnell, Jeremy Wilkins partner, was at the tennis courts that day. She writes: 'Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty.' So, she cannot confirm that Madeleine was there.
(My months with Madeleine The Guardian)

That only leaves one person to positively confirm that Madeleine was alive that day - the McCanns friend, David Payne. It is claimed that Mr Payne was asked by Gerry McCann to pop by and look in on Kate at the apartment, whilst Gerry was on the tennis courts. (genoemd o.a. in de BBC-docu)

David Payne has said nothing publicly to confirm or deny this. In fact, he has said virtually nothing throughout the investigation but has been quoted by Portuguese newspaper, Sol, as saying: "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else's business."

But is there is a fatal flaw in this line of thought? The 'last photograph' clearly shows Gerry, Amelie and Madeleine sat around the kiddie's pool in the Ocean Club. How could Gerry have collected that photograph from home if this was the first time they had holidayed at the resort?

But was it their first time? The Sunday Times doesn't seem to think so. They printed on 13 May 2007 that: 'The McCanns are believed to have stayed once before in Praia da Luz and had returned because they considered it a safe resort.'

In the MSNBC documentary, Richard Gaisford said, when talking of Praia da Luz: "It's a very warm welcoming friendly place. And it was a place the McCanns knew well. They'd been to the resort before." (MSNBC Missing Madeleine en op 3arguidoforum)

So, is the 'last photograph' not a forgery, as has been widely speculated, but a simple fraud?

Did Gerry go home to collect photographs/videos from a previous trip in order to deceive the Policia Judiciaria into believing the photographs were from the current trip. More importantly, that Madeleine was alive and well at that particular time on that particular day?

Only the McCanns and their close family can answer that question.

But, if it should be the case, then it would appear to imply that no photographic evidence exists of Madeleine that day - despite Bridget O'Donnell stating that the children were all running around the tennis courts being photographed by their parents. The need to deceive suggests there is something to cover up. The obvious conclusion being that Madeleine was not there to be photographed.

That is a very disturbing thought.

It would be interesting to know whether Alex Woolfall is one of the people the Policia Judiciaria intends talking to when they arrive in the UK to begin their questioning. If Mr Woolfall confirms the 'last photograph' was not on the digital camera he examined in Praia da Luz on 5th May, then, it would appear, the McCanns will have an awful lot of explaining to do.
Een opmerkelijk observatie gelezen op deze site. (Alle links zijn door mij gedaan omdat ik dat makkelijker leesbaar/nacheckbaar vond, deze komen van de site zelf en andere bronnen)

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  maandag 17 maart 2008 @ 11:19:53 #257
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En ja hoor, Sydney heeft ook een valse Maddy sighting:
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SYDNEY police were sent into a flutter today when a member of the public called in thinking they'd spotted missing British girl Madeleine McCann in the CBD.

CityRail staff appeared to shadow a middle-aged man wearing a black beret and a little, blonde girl until police arrived at Town Hall train station to question the pair.

The Daily Telegraph spotted three police officers talking to the man and the girl at the Luneburger German Bakery underneath the Queen Victoria Building.

But police say the report turned out to be a false alarm.

"There was a possible sighting," a police spokeswoman said.

"It's been checked. The police obviously took it seriously enough to check."

A world-wide, nine month search for the missing four-year-old was launched last year after she went missing in May while on a family holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

There have been numerous, false sightings since she disappeared.

False alarm ... the man, the girl and (inset) Maddie McCann. Picture: Stephen Cooper.

http://www.news.com.au/da(...)8885-5001021,00.html
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Op maandag 17 maart 2008 11:19 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
En ja hoor, Sydney heeft ook een valse Maddy sighting:
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False alarm ... the man, the girl and (inset) Maddie McCann. Picture: Stephen Cooper.

http://www.news.com.au/da(...)8885-5001021,00.html
Mogge Kahaarin. Yes! En waarom? "But wait - there may be something to it. If you take a look at the photograph - the guard looks Moroccan!" Bron

En verder werd Robert Murat gebugd, door wie???? Is someone out to frame Robert Murat?
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An interesting article in the Correio da Manhã, informs us of some strange things happening around Luz recently. This time they target Robert Murat, the first to be named arguido in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

According to the Correio da Manhã, it seems that Robert Murat has been under surveillance in recent months. Robert Murat found, accidentally, two GPS devices fitted in two of his cars. Also, his company's website was hacked into. His e-mail has been diverted to another address and compromising messages were sent on his behalf.

Last week Murat's attorney received the most important evidence - a copy of one of these manipulated emails - and are considering the possibility of filing a complaint against unknown people. "There are also copies of emails sent to the server where his company - Romigen - is housed (in the USA) requesting de site's codes claiming they had been lost, according to a source close to Murat.

The codes were not provided but the page of Romigen was hacked into and has not been online. This computer "intrusion" was detected by Murat near Christmas. Sergey Malinka called Murat when he received a strange message supposedly from Murat, asking him to meet him for a confidential conversation. Murat had not sent the e-mail.

Before this revelation, Robert Murat made another discovery of an invasion on his privacy. One day, while repairing a problem with the water pump in his Volkswagen Transporter he went underneath his car and found a strange device fitted to its structure. He took the truck and the Skoda Fabia he had lent his partner Michaela Walczuch, which was also was parked outside, into Casa Liliana's grounds. At the bottom of the Skoda he found yet another identical device.

The PJ was called in and collected the two GPS tracking devices from the cars. According to the Correio da Manhã, inspectors assured they had nothing to do with the equipment. The tracking devices record data on the movement of cars and in the case of those found can be connected by USB to a computer, downloading the information on the cars movements. A simple search on the Internet allows you to find similar devices, the 'Professional Mini GPS Tracker - Vehicle Tracking or the Land AirSea Tracking Key (LAS), for 180 euros.

Yet another twist in a case that has many unexplained "phenomenons" happening.
Why were these devices fitted on Mr. Murat's cars? Is someone trying to make a "Follow the Arguido Reality Show?" Does he have a stalker interested in his every move? Or is someone out to frame Mr. Murat?Bron
Ook in The Sun Ondanks dat ik Murat niet geheel uitsluit als handlanger, want tenslotte wou Gerry McCann ook niet bevestigen/geen antwoord willen geven of hij Murat al eerder in de UK had ontmoet, lijkt het er voor mij op dat Metodo 3 aan het gniepen is. Die hebben al eerder Murat en z'n moeder hinderlijk lastig gevallen.

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Op maandag 17 maart 2008 11:42 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Mogge Kahaarin. Yes! En waarom? "But wait - there may be something to it. If you take a look at the photograph - the guard looks Moroccan!" Bron

En verder werd Robert Murat gebugd, door wie???? Is someone out to frame Robert Murat?
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Ook in The Sun Ondanks dat ik Murat niet geheel uitsluit als handlanger, want tenslotte wou Gerry McCann ook niet bevestigen/geen antwoord willen geven of hij Murat al eerder in de UK had ontmoet, lijkt het er voor mij op dat Metodo 3 aan het gniepen is. Die hebben al eerder Murat en z'n moeder hinderlijk lastig gevallen.

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Metodo3 of de PJ, Murat is een suspect, Gerry zal heus wel tekst en uitleg hebben moeten geven, dat zijn dan weer van die dingen die de PJ voor zichzelf heeft gehouden, ik denk dat het dossier veel dikker is dan we vermoeden, als het niet waar was dan had Gerry het al wel gezegd denk ik.
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Op maandag 17 maart 2008 12:13 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

[..]

Middag Suko!

Metodo3 of de PJ, Murat is een suspect, Gerry zal heus wel tekst en uitleg hebben moeten geven, dat zijn dan weer van die dingen die de PJ voor zichzelf heeft gehouden, ik denk dat het dossier veel dikker is dan we vermoeden, als het niet waar was dan had Gerry het al wel gezegd denk ik.
Nou ja, letterlijk kan iedereen die zooi onder een auto plaatsen, je site hacken en emails versturen onder jouw naam. Ik kan er maar 2 bedenken die er baat bij hebben en er ook de mogelijkheden/geld voor hebben...Maar nogmaals, ik sluit de Exeter-connection (de plaats van Murat's zus en een aantal Tapas-luitjes) nog steeds niet uit, er zijn tenslotte ook nog geruchten dat Gerry een vankantiewoning in Portugal via Murat wilde kopen. Anyway, tot tenminste september blijven de files gesloten: "SECRECY OF JUSTICE Access to the whole process of the case Maddie and the work of PJ in research to McCann is forbidden until September - in secret of justice." Correio da Manha (SEGREDO DE JUSTIÇA O acesso a todo o processo do caso Maddie e ao trabalho da PJ na investigação aos McCann está vedado até Setembro – em segredo de justiça) En verder in diezelfde krant een interview met Murat's advocaat:
quote:
"Nothing will be found" (Francisco Pagarete, Murat's lawyer)

Correio da Manhã – Have you consulted the Madeleine process?

Francisco Pagarete – I tried to, but the court of justice informed me that the process's time was extended and that the documents are under law secrecy.

Correio da Manhã – When did you have the latest formal contact with the PJ?

Francisco Pagarete - In August last year, when searches in the vehicles were made in the underground garage facing the PJ [building], in Portimão.

Correio da Manhã – Are you Michaela Walczuch's lawyer?

Francisco Pagarete – No. As far as I know she doesn't have one, never needed one. I'm just a friend of hers.

Correio da Manhã – Do you trust that the suspicions against Murat are going to be archived?

Francisco Pagarete – I believe that nothing will be found. Justice has its own time and we are continuing to wait that the documents will be archived.

Correio da Manhã – How is your client doing?

Francisco Pagarete – He's willing to be able to return to his normal life. To go back to work and to go out without worrying that there are always people at his door.

Correio da Manhã – Are you going to submit a complaint about the computer attack against Romigen?

Francisco Pagarete – That's possible. I'm still to receive some emails.
Notes
PJ waits for green light
The PJ are still waiting for green light to be given by the British justice so they can travel to England, where they should reinterview the friends of the McCanns couple. (bron)

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  maandag 17 maart 2008 @ 13:39:35 #261
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quote:
Op maandag 17 maart 2008 13:26 schreef Suko het volgende:

Nou ja, letterlijk kan iedereen die zooi onder een auto plaatsen, je site hacken en emails versturen onder jouw naam. Ik kan er maar 2 bedenken die er baat bij hebben en er ook de mogelijkheden/geld voor hebben...Maar nogmaals, ik sluit de Exeter-connection (de plaats van Murat's zus en een aantal Tapas-luitjes) nog steeds niet uit, er zijn tenslotte ook nog geruchten dat Gerry een vankantiewoning in Portugal via Murat wilde kopen. Anyway, tot tenminste september blijven de files gesloten: "SECRECY OF JUSTICE Access to the whole process of the case Maddie and the work of PJ in research to McCann is forbidden until September - in secret of justice." Correio da Manha (SEGREDO DE JUSTIÇA O acesso a todo o processo do caso Maddie e ao trabalho da PJ na investigação aos McCann está vedado até Setembro – em segredo de justiça) En verder in diezelfde krant een interview met Murat's advocaat:
Misschien maar goed ook dat de files gesloten blijven, dan kan niemand er zijn voordeel mee doen, maar wat zou ik graag een boekenwurpje zijn in die archiefkast.
quote:
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PJ waits for green light
The PJ are still waiting for green light to be given by the British justice so they can travel to England, where they should reinterview the friends of the McCanns couple. (bron)
Natuurlijk, de langste adem gaat winnen, hoe ver is de PJ bereid te gaan als het gaat om het onderzoeken van de verdwijning van een Brits meisje, met Britse ouders die ook nog de hoofdverdachten zijn, te triest dat de Britse overheid geen aanstalten maakt om de zaak op te lossen, ik weet ook niet waar het wachten op is, wellicht moeten de Tapas9 de tijd krijgen om alles met elkaar op een rijtje te zetten en eventuele veranderingen in de statements in het verhaal te passen zodat er geen speld meer tussen te krijgen is.
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  dinsdag 18 maart 2008 @ 13:37:12 #262
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Goh, zou dit boek ook in GB uitgegeven gaan worden?
quote:
Madeleine the novel: Now disgraced police chief claims girl's body was dumped at sea in new book
Last updated at 11:53am on 18th March 2008

Paulo Cristovao's novel 'The Star of Madeleine' claims the girl's body was dumped at sea
A controversial ex-Portuguese police chief claims Madeleine McCann was dumped in the sea and her body has disappeared forever in a new novel set to infuriate her parents.

Paulo Cristovao's two fictional police officers bring the 180-page book to a close by staring out at the Atlantic Ocean after a massive land search.

The police pair - inspired by real life Madeleine McCann investigators - also face British diplomatic pressure as they try to unravel the mystery.



Cristovao, a former Policia Judiciaria inspector who is facing trial over accusations he tortured a woman into falsely confessing to murdering her child, has admitted his new book is "pro-Portugal" and likely to upset Gerry and Kate McCann.

He provoked the couple's anger last year by insisting they should have been arrested for leaving their children alone in their holiday apartment the night Madeleine disappeared.

And he has made it clear in a regular column for a Portuguese newspaper he considers the McCanns are probably responsible for Madeleine's death or disappearance.

His new book, titled "The Star of Madeleine", is sure to put the former police chief on another collision course with the couple.

They deny any involvement in their daughter's disappearance and insist they believe she is still alive.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=538008&in_page_id=1770

De US lopen een beetje achter.
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Divers were searching a reservoir for Madeleine McCann over the weekend when they found a plastic bag containing small bones. The dive was led by Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia, who claims to have received tips from criminals saying Madeleine’s body was dumped in the water.

Correia said it is unclear if the bones are human or animal. “We found two bags, one of which contains some small bones. We don’t know at this stage if they are human bones. If they are, they look like they come from a child’s fingers. They are too small for an adult,” he said.

A spokesman for the missing 4-year-old’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, said the family is still hopeful that Madeleine is alive. “We have not been informed of anything by the police to indicate that this find is significant. There is nothing to indicate at this stage that they are human bones and they could easily be from an animal,” said the spokesman Clarence Mitchell.

Madeleine has been missing since May 3 of last year when she disappeared from Gerry and Kate McCann’s apartment in Portugal. The couple has been named official suspects in their daughter’s disappearance but maintain she was abducted while they were out eating dinner.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?storyid=40477
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quote:
Op dinsdag 18 maart 2008 13:37 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Goh, zou dit boek ook in GB uitgegeven gaan worden?
>knip>
Vast niet ha ha...
quote:
Op zaterdag 15 maart 2008 12:10 schreef Suko het volgende:[/b]
>knip<
Wat er nou met die laatste zin wordt bedoelt? (ook Joana Morais schrijft er over)
Eigenlijk dus gewoon in zee gedumpt is toch wel de conclusie, wow...verrassend. In een meer uitgebreider artikel (op websleuths) schrijft Diario de Noticias:
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"He only concedes to say that he does not believe that the child survived the 3rd of May 2007, the day she disappeared. And he drops standalone information throughout the book, which helps to compose the scenario. The fact that the McCanns' apartment was found in an "impeccable" state, with all pieces of furniture properly located against the walls. The fact that the PJ of Portimao, on the night of the disappearance, was called to take care of the case through a contact of the English ambassador with the national directory, thus indicating the existence of contacts of the British in the Algarve with London; the fact that the policemen did not find a single item of medicine in the McCanns' apartment, "not even an Aspirine"; the fact that the parents immediately jumped on the abduction theory, never looking at the possibility that the three-year-old child (that would become four in a few days) could have left the apartment on her own and could be lost in the surroundings. "Facts" that in some cases are certified and in others not - after all, Cristóvão recognizes that "the game is still on, although a bit weak".

En ook: "It is a conspiracy theory that is unveiled in this somewhat enigmatic book, which in its foreword promises revelations and contention simultaneously: "Due to legal issues, it cannot be me, the author, to tell you what the truth, the reality of the case is; nevertheless, I can assure you that you can find it here, within the lines of this book".
Goedkope verkooptruc, "I can assure you that you can find it here, within the lines of this book." True, de schrijver ziet er in elk geval niet echt verkeerd uit... Maar velen denken dat Madeleine in zee is gedumpt, (vrijwel) nooit meer te vinden, net als Natalee Holloway. Anyway, geen echt nieuws vandaag.

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Vers van de pers...

Damages due over McCann stories BBC
By Richard Bilton
BBC News special correspondent
quote:
Four newspapers are to set to pay damages to the parents of Madeleine McCann, after settling a libel case, the BBC has learned. The Daily and Sunday Express, along with the Daily Star and Daily Star Sunday are to pay a "substantial" sum and print front-page apologies.

Kate and Gerry McCann's lawyers said that some of the newspapers' articles were "grossly defamatory". The couple say all the damages will be donated to the Find Madeleine fund.

The Daily Express is to carry a full front-page apology in Wednesday's paper, while the Star's apology will take over half its front-page. The papers are expected to apologise for suggesting Kate and Gerry McCann were involved in their daughter's disappearance.

The action relates to more than a hundred stories across the four titles, including 42 printed in the Daily Express. Under the terms of the settlement - at Kate and Gerry McCann's insistence - Express Newspapers' barrister will also read out an apology before a judge at the High Court on Wednesday.

The Express group has agreed to all the McCanns' requests. It is also paying all their costs. The McCanns have promised that the damages will be paid into the "fighting fund" set up to pay for efforts to find their missing daughter.

'Trust and credibility'

Media commentator Roy Greenslade said that for two national newspapers to carry front-page apologies at the same time was "unprecedented". "I think this is an amazing stand-down, u-turn, by the Express newspapers," he said.

"I think when people realise that more than 100 stories have been complained about as being grossly defamatory, it will annihilate the Express' readers sense of trust and credibility in their newspaper." Media lawyer Paul Gilbert from Finers Stephens Innocent said the courts encourage early settlement of defamation cases.

"Clearly the Express' lawyers felt this was a case they should settle without a high-profile trial - which it would be - and as a result have saved considerable costs," he said. "It certainly is a warning sign to newspapers in the future, if they're going to speculate, they've got to be very careful about what they speculate about."

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, went missing, aged three, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on 3 May last year.
Waarbij verslaggever Richard Bilton (dezelfde van de docu Panorama) de lekken hoofdzakelijk toeschrijft aan de Portugese pers, in een gesprekje met de presentator van BBC News, boy oh boy, wat ga jij door 't stof! Maar even werd en wordt vergeten dat iedereen rondom de McCanns tegen de pers uit de nek zat en zit te lullen met als opperhoofd, mega ouweneel Clarence Mitchell. Op de een of andere manier lijkt dit op een voorbode van, uhm...een aflopende zaak? Anyway...kassa!

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Zie ook het 3arguidoforum, daar zijn ze geheel upset, maar dat zijn ze daar al gauw...
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Money money money money money
Money makes the world go round, world go round, world go round
A mark, a yen, a buck or a pound,
a buck or a pound, a buck or a pound,
Is all that makes the world go around,
that clinking clanking sound,
Can make the world go round.



on-ge-lo-fe-lijk.
[i]"you left me standing here, a long long time ago"[/i]
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Wel said Milagro.

Opvallend, hoe die aangeklaagde kranten menen te weten dat de McCanns onschuldig/schuldig zijn, wat weten zij wat wij niet weten?:
quote:
"It recognised "that such a suggestion is absolutely untrue and that Kate and Gerry are completely innocent of any involvement in their daughter's disappearance"

Under the headline Kate and Gerry McCann: Sorry, the Express said it had apologised because "we accept that a number of articles in the newspaper have suggested that the couple caused the death of their missing daughter Madeleine and then covered it up", before acknowledging "there is no evidence whatsoever to support this theory".

"The McCanns hope their action will help draw a line under some of the more salacious coverage that has flourished in the absence of new developments." The Guardian
De 'Sorry' kranten: Daily Star + Daily Express En verder een reactie van een (niet bij naam genoemde) Daily Express-journo:
quote:
"This is the first time since I started my career, that I am ashamed to say for what newspaper I work," confessed to a journalist from the Daily Express contacted by SOS Madeleine. According to the same professional, "the UK power McCann seems to have no limits. They have escaped from social services despite the fact that they have left their children alone while they were partying, they created a machine communication as effective as that of the Premier… nothing surprises me."

"On Wednesday, under duress, the two newspapers Express Group s'excusent have "suggested that Kate and Gerry McCann may have caused the death of their daughter Madeleine."

Newspapers still publish that Kate and Gerry McCann is "completely innocent", but a source of the Group, in declarations to SOS Madeleine says "sincerely hoped that the couple is forced to respond in court for the disappearance of their daughter, so that they are obliged to explain what really happened the night of May 3."

Lawyers for Kate and Gerry had initiated contacts with a number of British media threaten prosecution, but the Express had become the main target, McCann seeking a settlement out of court, which would rise by the payment of compensation Financial close in the amount of five million euros.

The sums paid by the two newspapers were paid to the Fund Madeleine, who did more to get the same number of gifts that the disappearance of the small British had originally provoked.

The Fund Madeleine has been used so far to repay two monthly installments of the loan that McCann had contracted for the purchase of their homes, to pay for a poster campaign practically invisible in Spain and Portugal, as well as payments Monthly at the detective agency Metodo 3. De rest > Bron
Anyway, laten we dan maar aannemen dat de rest van de Brite pers met verhalen soms toch ook behoorlijk pijnlijk wél waar zijn??? Of is het ook dat bv suikeroom van de McCanns Riachard Branson van o.a. Virgin een behoorlijk vinger in de pap heeft, die kranten zijn behoorlijk afhankelijk van advertentieinkomsten. En ik hoorde net op BBC News van een commentator dat er mogelijk nog meer excusus volgen van een aantal kranten...Zal Murat ook wat kranten gaan aanklagen, of desnoods de McCanns? Hij is tenslotte ook door het team McCann, middels vrienden/Metodo 3 door het slijk (via kranten) gehaald, en nog steeds. Maar dat zal wel niet, hij heeft geen geld en wordt niet gesteund door people in higher places, er staat hier veel op het spel, dat is wel zeker!

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Nah, schijntje. Maar Metodo 3 kan weer ff vooruit en eventueel wat maandjes hypotheek voor de McCanns...
quote:
Richard Desmond's Express Newspapers has paid £550,000 in damages to Gerry and Kate McCann after apologising for a string of articles in its titles alleging they were responsible for their daughter Madeleine's death. The Daily Express and the Daily Star, owned by Richard Desmond, both took the unprecedented step of publishing front page apologies to the McCanns today - and have paid a the sum into the Madeleine Fund.

Express Newspapers has also paid legal costs to the McCanns. A full apology by Express Newspapers and statement from Clarence Mitchell, the McCann's spokeman, was heard at 10am today in the high court in London. Mitchell confirmed the figure paid in damages outside court. >>> The Guardian
Toch vroegen de McCanns eerst:
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"The McCanns are understood to have asked for up to £4m. Express Newspapers offered in the region of £250,000 to cover the entire group." Earlier, PR guru Max Clifford told Sky News Online the payout "will send a warning bow across the whole of Fleet Street"."Max Clifford told Sky News Online the McCann's complaint "could have got any of the national newspapers". "A few editors will be sitting there thinking: 'But for the grace of God...'"
Sky News
Reactie van de McCanns:
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In a statement the McCanns said they were pleased that the newspaper group had admitted the "utter falsity" of the numerous stories written about them." "They said they were wrong to suggest the couple, of Rothley, Leicestershire, were responsible for Madeleine's death." >>> BBC
Zo toevallig ook dat net voor de verhoren dit alles plaatsvindt, zou dit ook zijn gebeurd tijdens de verhoren, of vlak er na, als er eventueel een aanklacht komt, of dat een paar Tapas-vrienden 'Arguido's' worden...perfect timing denk ik. Hopelijk heeft de PJ genoeg vrijheid/armslag om de zaak af te ronden en tot een beslissing cq aanklacht te komen, right, wrong of onbeslist. Duurt allemaal veel te lang.

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En inderdaad is het niet uitgesloten dat meer kranten worden aangeklaagd: "The McCanns, from of Rothley, Leicestershire, have refused to rule out libel action against other publications. "Their solicitor, Adam Tudor, from media law specialists Carter-Ruck, said: "These are matters that are being kept under review." BBC

In het BBC nieuws van vanavond vertelde verslaggever Richard Bilton nog dat hij heeft gesproken met mede formeel verdachte Robert Murat en die deelde mee dat er een precedent is geschapen want ook hij was prominent op de voorpagina's en volgt deze zaak very closely en gelijk heeftie. Ik schrok trouwens van het bedrag wat Bilton noemde, uit het fonds wordt maandelijk 100.000 pond gebruikt voor o.a. PI's, adverts en die Hotline. Het publiek wordt voorlopig onthouden wát er precies aan wordt betaald, niets specifieks op de site. En even als een los zinnetje zei hij dat na de Pasen met de verhoren wordt begonnen. Ook Kate's mum Susan Healy kwam even voorbij, die stelde dat het natuurlijk niet voor het geld was. Ik vrees dat de hele reut rondom de McCanns weer aan het woord komt de komende dagen.

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  woensdag 19 maart 2008 @ 23:31:16 #270
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quote:
Op woensdag 19 maart 2008 19:47 schreef Suko het volgende:
En inderdaad is het niet uitgesloten dat meer kranten worden aangeklaagd: "The McCanns, from of Rothley, Leicestershire, have refused to rule out libel action against other publications. "Their solicitor, Adam Tudor, from media law specialists Carter-Ruck, said: "These are matters that are being kept under review." BBC

In het BBC nieuws van vanavond vertelde verslaggever Richard Bilton nog dat hij heeft gesproken met mede formeel verdachte Robert Murat en die deelde mee dat er een precedent is geschapen want ook hij was prominent op de voorpagina's en volgt deze zaak very closely en gelijk heeftie. Ik schrok trouwens van het bedrag wat Bilton noemde, uit het fonds wordt maandelijk 100.000 pond gebruikt voor o.a. PI's, adverts en die Hotline. Het publiek wordt voorlopig onthouden wát er precies aan wordt betaald, niets specifieks op de site. En even als een los zinnetje zei hij dat na de Pasen met de verhoren wordt begonnen. Ook Kate's mum Susan Healy kwam even voorbij, die stelde dat het natuurlijk niet voor het geld was. Ik vrees dat de hele reut rondom de McCanns weer aan het woord komt de komende dagen.

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En hier al een voorproefje, je hebt gewoon helemaal gelijk, er wordt een soort van stuivertje wisselen gespeeld, ik krijg bijna een broekzak/vestzak gevoel, alsof koste wat kost de zakken van het Maddy fund gevuld moeten blijven en de media onderling afspreken wie wat betaald om de investeerders maar binnen te houden, een soort media bouwfraude.

kijk maar: http://video.msn.com/video.aspx/?mkt=nl-nl&vid=986afdda-5cd4-4cbf-9a77-b81b09b77780&from=NLNL_Zoomin&tab=m2004&wa=wsignin1.0
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  donderdag 20 maart 2008 @ 09:49:25 #271
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quote:
Four national papers apologised to Kate and Gerry McCann in court yesterday for allegations they were responsible for their daughter's death.

The Daily Express, Daily Star and their Sunday titles - all owned by Express Newspapers - agreed to £550,000 in damages for a series of "utterly false and defamatory" articles. The money is to go to the Find Madeleine fund.

The McCanns, still formal suspects in the investigation, did not attend the hearing. But in a statement read outside the High Court they accepted the settlement and urged people to continue the hunt for the missing child.

They said: "We are pleased Express Newspapers have admitted the utter falsity of the numerous grotesque and grossly defamatory allegations their titles published about us."

AdvertisementThe couple, from Rothley, Leics, admitted they took legal action "with a heavy heart" but said the allegations caused huge distress.

Both the Daily Express and Daily Star printed unprecedented huge apologies on their front pages and websites yesterday.

The McCanns' lawyer Adam Tudor said told the court more than 100 articles made various false claims, including that the couple killed their daughter, sold her to pay off debts or were involved in wife-swapping.

He said: "The general theme of the articles was to suggest Mr and Mrs McCann were responsible for the death of Madeleine."
Dat laatste zou goed ingekleed niet eens strafbaar zijn, feit is dat ze het kind alleen hebben gelaten in een onafgesloten app.

Maar ja, de voorspelling van Suko dat de McCanns nu wel weer aan het woord zullen komen is dus waar.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)lies-89520-20356730/
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  donderdag 20 maart 2008 @ 10:52:07 #272
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bemoeit zich
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Kate and Gerry McCann in talks with ITV about missing children documentary
12/03/2008

The film will feature Kate and Gerry's experience and focus on how different countries react when children vanish.

The show will look at America's Project Amber, which sees alerts posted on billboards as soon as a kid disappears. The McCanns' spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, said: "There's nothing like it in Europe."

bron

Wat een onzin weer. Dat Project Amber bestaat in een aantal Europese landen ook al, maar de 'ontvoering' van Madeleine zou het nooit tot die campagne gebracht hebben in Amerika. Aan de eisen die ze daar stellen aan een geloofwaardige ontvoering voldoet de Maddy zaak helemaal niet.

Verder zie ik nu nog steeds geen posters hangen in Spanje. Zoveel geld en tijd later en nog niets...
Here we are now, entertain us.
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Ach, ik heb gisteren (23.00 BBC nieuws) een Portugese journo gehoord, die zei dat zij veel ingetogener waren met de verslaggeving maar dat sommige Britse kranten hun nieuws vet op de frontpages hebben afgedrukt en daar zit wat in. Al jaren doen dit soort tabloids dat, je vingers worden al zwart van die vette laag drukinkt bij het vastpakken van dat soort kranten. Anyway... buitenbeen Matthew Parris, journo van The Times geeft Robert Murat wat ruimte:
quote:
Like (I imagine) many newspaper readers inexpert on the law of libel, I was not so much surprised that the Express has just been forced to apologise to and compensate Kate and Gerry McCann as I was surprised the British press so carelessly published defamatory attacks on them in the first place. Whatever questions may be raised (and I have raised some) about this couple's judgment in hiring professional PR, with all the massive and relentless publicity this has led to, the McCanns were in the end always going to emerge with at least their honour intact.

Not so their neighbour in Praia da Luz, poor Robert Murat, against whom (like the McCanns) there has never been a shred of evidence, but who has had to watch silently as his character was pulled apart by the British press. Gagged (as an arguido, like the McCanns) from making any public statement, and with no media spokesman (as the McCanns have) to organise responses on his behalf, Mr Murat has been silent witness to the very public destruction of his reputation.

I do not know that Robert Murat is innocent. I do not know that Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent. I do not know that the Angel Gabriel, or my Aunty Dolly, are innocent. I know only that we have no evidence for the guilt of any of these people. Due process and common decency forbid us from suggesting otherwise.

I devoted a Saturday column in The Times last summer to the plight of Mr Murat, suffering death by a thousand innuendos in British newspapers, and being spun into some kind of “one-eyed” “weirdo” “loner” and obvious suspect - when nobody who knew him, including even his now-separated wife, describes him unkindly.

Unlike the McCanns, who will be remembered as innocent, Mr Murat's possible fate could be that if and when those close to the case officially declare he was uninvolved, the media, bored by the story, will simply saunter away and stop writing about him, leaving on the battlefield, bayoneted by their reports, a man with his name forever associated in the public mind with something unspeakable - the world having forgotten that no evidence for this was ever produced.

You need deep pockets to risk hiring the top-flight libel lawyers. I dislike our laws of defamation: only theoretically open (like the Ritz, as someone once remarked) to all. But if any libel victim ever deserved a remedy in law it is Robert Murat. Should the system serve Gerry and Kate McCann but prove unable to help Mr Murat, then a serious injustice will have been done."
Ik mag die Parris wel, uit een eerdere post: "Gisteravond was er op BBC2 een overzicht van de Britse bladen wat betreft het verslaan van Madeleine McCann dit jaar, met een treffende opmerkelijke afsluitende conclusie van verslaggever en columnist Matthew Parris van The Times: "I invite into the dock another suspect, professional marketing. "If Kate and Gerry McCann had been readier to trust the instincts of British journalism, in a tragedy that didn't need marketing, then Fleet Street might have been readier to trust them." Normaal gesproken is The Times een McCann-krant maar Matthew Parris gaat geheel z'n eigen gang...ondanks wat puntjes van verschil kan ik zeggen, I love that man! Net als ik stelt hij niet dat Murat schuldig/onschuldig is, maar op z'n minst moet hij op dezelfde manier bejegend worden als de McCanns, in de tabloids dus, helaas voor hem zal aanklagen moeilijk worden, no money.

Opvallend, in de publicaties van met name de BBC in woord en beeld wordt de laatste tijd nergens het woord abduction genoemd maar wel vermissing....mmmm, curieus, toch?! En verder moet ik vandaag nog wat verder spitten naar nieuws, eerst de sudderlappen in de stoofpan donderen en dergelijke.

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  donderdag 20 maart 2008 @ 13:28:47 #274
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Even een tegenberichtje uit Australie, verfrissend.
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Madeleine McCann: Australian blogger says, "I'm Sorry"
I would like to say, "I'm sorry" to Kate and Gerry McCann.

I'm sorry that you haven't once got off your backsides to look for the daughter you betrayed.

I'm sorry that every night prior to May 03, you deliberately decided to leave your children unsupervised.

I'm sorry that despite much publicised statements about helping exploited children, you have done nothing except chink glasses and shake hands with men in nice suits. Golden opportunities to put your money where your mouth is, went ignored or declined.

I'm sorry that after almost a year, your bizarre poster-child campaign has produced no sign of Madeleine, but has left a trail of frightened, bewildered, innocent children its wake.

I'm sorry that the statements of the Tapas Nine are riddled with inconsistencies.

I'm sorry that you all got together before Christmas to have nice chin-wag about the night of May 03.

I'm sorry that at the peak of the search for Madeleine, you preferred to spend your time driving back and for to the airport, to pick up and drop off friends.

I'm sorry that the Portuguese have suffered racial slurs such as the infamous, "shut your sardine chomping mouth" comment from the Daily Mirror's Tony Parsons.

I'm sorry that the British media branded the Portuguese police as corrupt and incompetent.

I'm sorry that you refused to answer 40 questions, despite repeatedly stating you would do all you could to cooperate.

I'm sorry that you made a mysterious trip to Huelva

I'm sorry that the dogs now world famous for their success in Jersey, displayed the same reaction in Portugal - the reaction you tried so hard to discredit.

I'm sorry that the money intended to be spent looking for Madeleine, was used to pay your mortgage and help a firm of discredited private detectives move into plush offices, and receive £50,000 a month in expenses alone.

I'm sorry that Gerry had this to say about the return of his stolen wallet. "Day 57 - 29/06/2007" of his blog. "Our friends brought back my wallet which had been returned, needless to say minus the Sterling, although all my cards and euro 30 were still in it! It is good to have my driving license back and one or two other important things". No mention of the "treasured photographs" of Madeleine.

I'm sorry that the man whose life Gerry saved on a flight from Portugal to the UK, has never been named or heard of - despite St Gerry of Rothley's heroic act being widely reported.

I'm sorry that Gordon Brown phoned you so quickly and was so very anxious to help.

Most of all, I am sorry that after almost eleven months, the noise of The McCann Travelling Circus, still keeps a little girl from the rest and dignity she deserves.
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Op donderdag 20 maart 2008 13:28 schreef kahaarin het volgende:
Even een tegenberichtje uit Australie, verfrissend.
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Ha ha, end so it is, ondanks dat het een mafkees is die verwikkeld is in een nogal smerige woordenstrijd met mijn favo-blogger die overigens ook van de pot is gerukt, a nasty story, waarbij Mike Hitchhen een maggot wordt genoemd...

Ondertussen heeft het er alle schijn van dat de PJ op 7 april in de UK arriveert maar Kate en Gerry hoeven nog even niet, Jornal de Noticias, wat stukkies:
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"As far as JN was able to establish, the PJ had prepared several questions that they wanted to ask from Kate and Gerry. But following a suggestion from the Public Ministery, the diligence was removed from the list of priorities. A source that is connected to the process explained that "the prosecutor understood that the diligence was useless and a waste of time, because the parents could refuse to answer the questions, according to the rights that the Portuguese law gives to arguidos".

That was precisely what the couple did when they were questioned by the PJ in Portimao, before they suddenly left for home, in Leicester, England, right after they were made arguidos. "The couple never cooperated with the Portuguese police, in spite of what they publicly announce, through their spokesman. There were no guarantees that they would do so now, but in a criminal investigation, there are no absolute certainties. It was necessary to take the risk", JN was told by one of the investigators, revolted "The date that has been advanced for the trip has yet to be confirmed. The PJ awaits confirmation from Stuart Prior, the top senior official at Leicester police." Bron
Vandaar ook dat dat Portugese opperhoofd (ff naam kwijt) onlangs nog zei dat de McCanns te vlug de status van Arguido kregen, als getuigen waren ze meer waardevol qua onderzoek, alhoewel ze gewoon nooit hebben meegewerkt. Maar dit kan ook best een slimme zet zijn, eerst die Tapas-bende en mogelijk nog anderen verhoren en misschien dat er dan een regelrechte aanklacht tegen de McCanns volgt of dat er eerst alsnog een verhoorverzoek komt. Weet ik veel, er wordt wat afgewouweld.

En het zit ook niet mee hé, nou dit weer. Source: The Portugal Resident Car belonging to Madeleine case witness destroyed in blast: "A CAR belonging to Russian computer expert Sergei Malinka, who has been questioned by police as part of the Madeleine McCann investigation, was destroyed in an explosion in the early hours of this morning (Thursday, March 20) in Praia da Luz. "The Resident spoke to Robert Murat, who said that he had not been told about the incident but did confirm that Malinka drove a Silver Audi, similar to the car that was torched. “I am in England now but I am surprised that no one in Praia da Luz phoned me to tell me about it”, he said." >>> Blog Charlotte.
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Op donderdag 20 maart 2008 10:52 schreef voyeur het volgende:
Kate and Gerry McCann in talks with ITV about missing children documentary
12/03/2008

The film will feature Kate and Gerry's experience and focus on how different countries react when children vanish.
>knip>
Verder zie ik nu nog steeds geen posters hangen in Spanje. Zoveel geld en tijd later en nog niets...
Inderdaad, is overigens al eerder gepost, niet voor niets hameren de McCanns er nu wéér op om hun Arguidostatus kwijt te raken in hun laatste statement wat betreft de schadevergoeding: "We hope that the Portuguese authorities lift our arguido status in the very near future so that everyone can focus on finding our beautiful little girl, Madeleine.” Bron Want alleen beppen over Missing Childeren gaat ook vervelen, dat wil toch niemand uit de mond van formeel verdachten horen?!

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Op donderdag 20 maart 2008 20:01 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Ha ha, end so it is, ondanks dat het een mafkees is die verwikkeld is in een nogal smerige woordenstrijd met mijn favo-blogger die overigens ook van de pot is gerukt, a nasty story, waarbij Mike Hitchhen een maggot wordt genoemd...
Ik denk dat er wel 2 kanten aan het verhaal zullen zitten, ik houd me ook niet zo bezig met de bloggers, ik vond een linkje op MSN-nieuws en heb het gepost, want dit vond ik wel een sterk stukje, ik heb niet de behoefte me te mengen in een ruzie tussen 2 mannen die nota bene op verschillende continenten wonen. Ze zoeken het maar uit met z'n 2-en.
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Ondertussen heeft het er alle schijn van dat de PJ op 7 april in de UK arriveert maar Kate en Gerry hoeven nog even niet, Jornal de Noticias, wat stukkies:
Eerst zien dan geloven, als ik een officieel statement zie van de PJ dan geloof ik het, trouwens, de medewerking van de Britten moet ik ook eerst nog maar eens zien, die zullen de complete regie wel weer in handen willen houden en alle vragen die gesteld gaan worden zullen op de 1 of andere manier wel weer vantevoren in het bezit van de Tapas-bende komen.
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Vandaar ook dat dat Portugese opperhoofd (ff naam kwijt) onlangs nog zei dat de McCanns te vlug de status van Arguido kregen, als getuigen waren ze meer waardevol qua onderzoek, alhoewel ze gewoon nooit hebben meegewerkt. Maar dit kan ook best een slimme zet zijn, eerst die Tapas-bende en mogelijk nog anderen verhoren en misschien dat er dan een regelrechte aanklacht tegen de McCanns volgt of dat er eerst alsnog een verhoorverzoek komt. Weet ik veel, er wordt wat afgewouweld.
Ik ben ook een beetje lost in de woordenbrij momenteel, wie klaagt wie nu aan en waarom nu, zoals de McCanns zelf zeggen, with pain in our harts, dat ze het op kunnen brengen allemaal, als je kind kwijt is dan denk je toch normaliter helemaal nergens anders aan.
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En het zit ook niet mee hé, nou dit weer. Source: The Portugal Resident Car belonging to Madeleine case witness destroyed in blast: "A CAR belonging to Russian computer expert Sergei Malinka, who has been questioned by police as part of the Madeleine McCann investigation, was destroyed in an explosion in the early hours of this morning (Thursday, March 20) in Praia da Luz. "The Resident spoke to Robert Murat, who said that he had not been told about the incident but did confirm that Malinka drove a Silver Audi, similar to the car that was torched. “I am in England now but I am surprised that no one in Praia da Luz phoned me to tell me about it”, he said." >>> Blog Charlotte.
Ik las het idd en wist niet goed wat te denken, ik heb het voor mezelf maar op een boze klant of een ruzie gegooid, ik denk niet dat dit ook maar iets met de zaak te maken heeft, waarom nu na 11 maanden de auto opblazen?
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Inderdaad, is overigens al eerder gepost, niet voor niets hameren de McCanns er nu wéér op om hun Arguidostatus kwijt te raken in hun laatste statement wat betreft de schadevergoeding: "We hope that the Portuguese authorities lift our arguido status in the very near future so that everyone can focus on finding our beautiful little girl, Madeleine.” Bron Want alleen beppen over Missing Childeren gaat ook vervelen, dat wil toch niemand uit de mond van formeel verdachten horen?!
Het is imho heel simpel, geef duidelijkheid en werk mee, dan ben je van alle gedonder af als je idd niets te verbergen hebt.
Voor wat hoort wat, wil je dat men in Portugal je arguido status oplift dan zul je mee moeten werken en alle inconsistancies uit de weg moeten ruimen door pijnlijk eerlijk te zijn, ook over je gedrag mbt het alleen laten en over de checks.
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Op donderdag 20 maart 2008 20:50 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ik denk dat er wel 2 kanten aan het verhaal zullen zitten, ik houd me ook niet zo bezig met de bloggers, ik vond een linkje op MSN-nieuws en heb het gepost, want dit vond ik wel een sterk stukje, ik heb niet de behoefte me te mengen in een ruzie tussen 2 mannen die nota bene op verschillende continenten wonen. Ze zoeken het maar uit met z'n 2-en.
[..] Nee hoor, is ook verder niet interessant alleen maar ter vermaak.
>knip<

Ik las het idd en wist niet goed wat te denken, ik heb het voor mezelf maar op een boze klant of een ruzie gegooid, ik denk niet dat dit ook maar iets met de zaak te maken heeft, waarom nu na 11 maanden de auto opblazen?
[..]Zou zomaar kunnen dat die gasten van Metodo 3 (of ze huren daarvoor iemand in) er iets mee van doen hebben, tenslotte verdenk ik en ik niet alleen dat ze ook Murat's site hebben gehackt, z'n auto gebuged en emails sturen onder zijn naam, het zou mij allemaal niet verbazen.

Het is imho heel simpel, geef duidelijkheid en werk mee, dan ben je van alle gedonder af als je idd niets te verbergen hebt.
Voor wat hoort wat, wil je dat men in Portugal je arguido status oplift dan zul je mee moeten werken en alle inconsistancies uit de weg moeten ruimen door pijnlijk eerlijk te zijn, ook over je gedrag mbt het alleen laten en over de checks.
Yep, maar uit alles blijkt wel dát ze iets te verbergen hebben anders hadden ze echt wel meegewerkt, zo simpel is 't inderdaad. En verder geloof ik niet dat het bekend wordt gemaakt wanneer de PJ in de UK aankomt, hier en daar werd al geschreven dat er een soort persverbod is, omdat de kwestie zo gevoelig ligt, ja ja, omdat de kwestie IMO meerdere personen raakt die heel wat te verliezen hebben.! Oma Healy bept nog ff tot slot in een verder volkomen nutteloos interview: "All I want in the world is for Madeleine to come home and for us to be able to give that money away to help other missing children.” Yeah right, in de statuten van het fonds staat dat alleen gelden voor andere doelen worden gebruikt indien Madeleine is gevonden en dat weet oma Healy heel goed...

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McCanns told to Forget about Portugal
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Kate and Gerry McCann have been warned not to go back to Portugal for the anniversary of daughter Madeleine's disappearance. Lawyers have told the couple that to return on May 3 may be risky in view of the fact they are still official suspects over the missing four-year-old.

There are fears it might provoke demands for them to be quizzed by police again. Last night a friend of the couple admitted that their continuing "arguido" status had taken away the parents' "freedom of choice".

The friend said: "The lawyers are just being ultra-cautious. But there remains a possibility they may suddenly be called in. The anniversary would then become a circus which is the last thing they want. It is sad because Portugal is where Kate feels closest to Madeleine." There have been repeated calls in the Portuguese media from some police officers for the couple to be charged with child neglect for leaving her alone in their holiday apartment.

It is likely relatives will travel to Praia da Luz for the anniversary instead. Portuguese police plan to re-interview the McCanns holiday friends in Britain during April. Source: Mirror
Waarop Joana Morais als commentaar schrijft:
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Side Note: "Why would two suspects who fled Portugal, who state they have done nothing against the law by leaving their two two year old children in the care of a three year old girl and who are prime suspects in the disappearance of their daughter be advised by their lawyers not to return to Portugal? They surely have nothing to fear if they are not involved and have done nothing wrong? Perhaps the Daily Express who said the suspects are innocent of any involvement have special knowledge and a direct line to the PJ? Are the suspects hiding and hoping the UK will protect them from justice?"
Ik zelf denk dat de McCanns gevaar lopen gelynched te worden als ze ook maar één voet in Portugal zetten. Vermoedelijk zijn mensen rondom de McCanns daar ook niet welkom...opzouten met die bende!

Anyway, op het inmiddels veelbezochte forum die ik ook regelmatig bezoek zijn ze (in deze thread) bezig nogal confronterende artikelen te posten die van andere fora en ook online-kranten zijn verdwenen of heel moeilijk te vinden. Zo vind ik vanaf pagina 34 berichten op FOK geplaatst van mijzelf terug...gecopieerd door een poster, niks erg want ik copieerde artikelen zelf ook o.a. van het inmiddels verdwenen Maddietopic op het Mirror-forum. Raar lezen voor anderstaligen lijkt mij, een combi van Nederlands en Engels. Maar goed, als een poster dat al kan vinden, laat staan die speurneuzen van het team McCann...

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Sunday, March 23, 2008 The Independent
Madeleine police return Murat's PCs
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Portuguese police have returned computers and other possessions they seized from Madeleine McCann "suspect" Robert Murat, he said yesterday. He described the move as a "very positive sign" – but is still waiting to be officially cleared of involvement in the young girl's disappearance.

Mr Murat, 34, lives just yards from the holiday apartment in the Portuguese seaside resort of Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished on 3 May last year. Detectives took him in for questioning 11 days after the child went missing and made him the first arguido, or formal suspect, in the case. They also searched the villa he shares with his mother and seized a number of his possessions, including three computers, clothes and a pair of shoes.

Police returned these items to Mr Murat on Thursday, although they did not give any clues about the progress of their investigation. The Anglo-Portuguese ex-pat said: "It is a very positive sign – there's no doubt about that whatsoever. Why would they return something if it was in the middle of being investigated in any way, shape or form? "We are very happy to have the computers back, and I hope I will have my arguido status dropped very shortly."

Mr Murat said he was "considering his options" for taking legal action over allegedly libellous articles printed about him in the wake of the apologies to Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, published by four national newspapers in the Express group last week. He strenuously denies any involvement in the missing girl's disappearance, as do fellow arguidos Mr and Mrs McCann.
Is al eerder gepost maar ter herinnering, gisteren in de Daily Mail:
Portuguese police to quiz Tapas Nine in Britain in final bid to solve Madeleine mystery
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Portuguese police are set to fly to Britain on April 7 to interview members of the so-called Tapas Nine in a last bid to solve the Madeleine McCann mystery. Investigators are pinning their hopes on fresh interviews with the seven holiday friends who were eating tapas with Kate and Gerry McCann when their four-year-old daughter disappeared.

They are thought to be particularly keen to reinterview David Payne, Jane Tanner and her partner, Russell O'Brien. Prosecutors in Portugal have rejected police requests to call the McCanns in for a second round of questioning. But they have agreed to an application to quiz the McCanns' former spokeswoman Justine McGuiness and a psychologist who comforted GP Kate, 39, after Madeleine went missing.

A source close to the case said: "The Policia Judiciaria had prepared various questions it wanted Kate and Gerry to face but they were crossed off the list of priorities on the advice of public prosecutors. "They felt it was a waste of time because the McCanns would refuse to answer the questions, a right that Portuguese law grants official suspects." Portuguese police indicated recently they were ready to spend more than two months in Britain. They hope to wrap up the interrogations within a week but are packing for a much longer stay.

Dr Payne, 41, a cardiovascular researcher from Leicester, was the last person outside the McCann family to see Madeleine at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on May 3. Gerry asked him to check on his wife and children while he was having a tennis lesson at about 6.30pm.

Dr O'Brien, 36, from Exeter, was away from the group for up to 45 minutes between 9.30pm and 10.15pm tending his own child who was being sick in his apartment. He told police he had changed her bed linen, but staff at the Ocean Club deny any change of sheets was requested. Attention has also focused on 36-year-old Miss Tanner's claim that she saw a man carrying a girl from the McCanns' apartment at about

9.15pm - when another witness says he was outside the flat at the same time but did not see her or the mystery man.

The trio have denied reports they intended changing their original police statements. The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell says the friends are keen to help police and want the reinterviews to take place as soon as possible. The McCanns - who are official suspects along with expat Robert Murat - deny any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.
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Even een rondje Robert Murat, gepikt van Anorak, met hun eigen commentaartjes er tussendoor:
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DAILY MIRROR: “Murat: It’s big relief”

Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat, 34, last night spoke of his joy that he looks likely to be officially cleared in days.

After having his computers returned, he said at his Praia da Luz home last night: “I’m so relieved.”

No mention of the Mirror’s super sleuth Lori Campbell who fingered “weird” Murat.

DAILY MAIL: “Murat could soon be cleared as Madeleine suspect after police return his possessions”

Even his computer - with the Sun’s “kid porn”.

His lawyer Francisco Pagarete said: “The police received an order from the public prosecutor to give everything back to Robert. All his items have been returned. We believe it is another step towards his clearance as a suspect. It’s a good sign.
“But we will have to wait and see. There is nothing official saying his status as an arguido is being revoked.”

Even if yesterday the Sunday People had “CLEARED” him.

No word from the The Mail’s Neil Sears, who told us: “There was something more to the friendly expat who called himself ‘Rob’ than met the eye.” Murat made Sears “feel slightly uncomfortable”.

DAILY TELEGRAPH: “Robert Murat close to being cleared over Madeleine McCann disappearance”

Robert Murat has moved a step closer to being cleared as a suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance after police returned possessions seized from him 10 months ago.

Says hi mother, Jenny Murat, 74: “Every single item that the police took has been returned to us. Of course we hope it means Robert’s arguido status will be lifted shortly. But we’ve had no official confirmation that that is the case and we’re not getting too excited.”
Het artikel uit the People meldt verder, beetje *kuch* voorbarig: "The decision to rule out Murat, 34, means detectives now have no solid suspects, no leads and no clues - effectively signalling the end of the hunt for Maddie.And it puts them under massive pressure to announce Maddie's 39-year-old parents Kate and Gerry are also officially out of the frame." Maar ja, McCann-krant hé, met een uitgebreid stand-by-your-man-verhaal van Murat's ex.

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  dinsdag 25 maart 2008 @ 11:32:49 #281
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Hallo allemaal!

Jeetje Suko, wat een gedraai weer, triest hoor dat er nu blijkbaar uit angst voor claims niks meer wordt geschreven, toch raar dat er zomaar een persstop opgelegd kan worden door officiele verdachten in een verdwijningszaak.

En dan dit, een Ierse krant bericht dat er een link is met de verdwijning van een jongetje.
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PORTUGUESE police are hunting a schoolboy whose disappearance has been linked to Madeleine McCann's.

Officers involved in the search for Madeleine have asked the public to help find Spaniard Yeremi Vargas after a boy matching his description was spotted in northern Portugal.

Yeremi (8) vanished as he played outside his home on the Canary island of Gran Canaria in March 2007. Mum Ithaisa Suarez has said she believes the same child traffickers may have targeted both children.

The McCanns have already printed hundreds of posters with pictures of Madeleine and Yeremi on them and sent them to Spain in a bid to solve both mysteries.

Now the Policia Judiciaria, the police force hunting for Madeleine (4), has put Yeremi's picture up on its missing persons' website alongside the photo of Gerry and Kate's daughter.

The move comes after Spanish police received information about a sighting of a boy thought to be Yeremi near Porto in northern Portugal in September last year.

Portuguese police have declined to reveal detailed information about the sighting.

Yeremi's mum told last month how Spanish police contacted her to say they had been in contact with Portuguese police investigating Madeleine.

Speaking from her home in Vecindario, 20 miles south of Gran Canaria's capital Las Palmas, she said: "They are working on the theory that people involved in child trafficking are behind these cases.

"When we heard about Madeleine, we started crying.

"Her parents have been going through hell, not only losing a daughter but being accused. You would feel like dying."

Yeremi vanished on March 10 last year as he played on wasteground behind his home.

Police suspected a link to Yeremi after the arrest of a local crematorium worker for kidnapping a 10-year-old girl near Las Palmas -- but have now discounted it.
http://www.independent.ie(...)deleine-1326655.html
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Hoi Kahaarin. Ach ja, over dat vermiste Spaanse jongetje, die op de poster kwam samen met Madeleine, zie een aantal posten van ons vorige maand. Misschien wat cynisch maar nu Mari Luz dood is gevonden moeten de McCanns weer een focus hebben om de pedo-gedachte in de spotlights te houden, en dus de aandacht op hen zelf af te leiden. Metodo 3, kom er maar weer in! Heb daar trouwens een artikel over gelezen op het 3arguidoforum, citaat uit Tenerife News: "Already the British tabloids are on the trail of the story, linking it to Madeleine McCann, which idea, with the best will in the world, would seem at this juncture highly unlikely. The fact is that the authors of the pieces in the Mirror and Express believe Gran Canaria to be but a “short plane or ferry ride from Portugal” speaks volumes. No plane or ferry goes direct to that country from here and it’s hardly a hop either."

Anyway, Alsabella schrijft op haar blog:
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According to 24 Horas, the PJ would like to see all the crucial interviews of the Tapas group, by 14 April, date on which the extension for special complexity granted by Judge Frias ends. However, Mr. Magalhães e Menezes, the magistrate from the Prosecutor's Office that is in charge of this case may still request an additional 90 days to charge any of the arguidos.

This is reported precisely along with the information that Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka's computers were thoroughly examined by IT experts and that absolutely nothing related to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was found - including on erased files. 24 Horas further states that no pornography or paedophilia was found on Robert Murat's computer. Thus, according to the same paper, Robert Murat is not expected to continue an arguido for much longer.
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Madrid - Four people have been indicted in connection with the death of 5-year-old girl Mari Luz Cortes, whose disappearance shocked Spain, police said Wednesday. The main suspect was a man with a criminal record for sexual abuse of children, who lived near the family of Mari Luz in the southern city of Huelva.

Those indicted included the man and his wife, who were detained near Cuenca in central Spain, as well as the man's brother and sister. The wife was released with charges.

The man was believed to have taken Mari Luz to the couple's home, where she fell down the stairs and died accidentally, after which the other suspects helped the man get rid of the body, according to television reports.

The girl's body was found floating in a river on March 7 after two months of searches. An autopsy showed that she had not been sexually abused.

The case of Mari Luz has been compared with that of 4-year-old British girl Madeleine McCann, who went missing on May 3, 2007, in a southern Portuguese holiday resort not far from where Mari Luz disappeared.

The fate of Madeleine, who made headlines all over the world, has not been clarified
http://www.earthtimes.org(...)eleine--summary.html

Goh, het moet en het zal ook of niet dan, detail is wel dat in alle aangehaalde gevallen de ouders/naasten schuldig zijn bevonden of verdacht zijn.
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The parents of missing Madeleine McCann want Portuguese cops to determine the whereabouts of a convicted Spanish paedophile on the day their daughter vanished.

The 52-year-old, named by Spanish TV as Santiago del Valle Garcia, was arrested on Tuesday on suspicion of killing five-year-old Mari Luz Cortes, who disappeared near the Portuguese border in January, eight months before Maddy went missing from an Algarve hotel.

The suspect is said to have previous convictions for child abuse and indecent assault.

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, said: "We hope the Portuguese police will be liaising with the Spanish police to establish this man's movements around the time Madeleine disappeared.
Nog een eisenpakket, nu nog van de arguido status af en kat in het bakkie.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/n(...)eine-89520-20363590/
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Alleen dit stukje viel mij op: "The man was believed to have taken Mari Luz to the couple's home, where she fell down the stairs and died accidentally, after which the other suspects helped the man get rid of the body, according to television reports." Iets wat zeker zou kunnen zijn gebeurd met Madeleine maar dan met hoofdrollen van d'r ouders en mogelijk met behulp van (een aantal) vrienden qua coverup. Het lijkt mij uiterst onwaarschijnlijk dat deze zaak iets van doen heeft met Madeleine behalve dan het zeer onrespectvol misbruiken van deze kwestie. Bovendien zouden volgens de McCanns de ontvoerder al dagen hebben rond gelopen zodat hij kon observeren wanneer de kinderen alleen waren, én had hij zich verstopt in het apartement. Lijkt hij trouwens op 'Bundleman?'

Bovendien heeft de vader van Mari Luz al direct deze mensen verdacht en heeft ook niet met de Madeleine-campagne willen meewerken, blog van Charlotte:
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Reporting restrictions remain in force in the case, but the child’s father, Juan José Cortés, told the Huelva Infomación newspaper that the man is called Santiago, lives locally and has a criminal record for child and sexual abuse. He said that the family had suspected him from the very first moment in the case. ‘We know that it is him, we are sure, and this is no surprise to me’, said the father this morning. The paper reports that this man had been arrested in Granada just a few days after Mari Luz vanished and was released on a lack of any evidence. Typically Spanish News
Triest feitje, gelezen op justiceformaddie < met wat hoaxes op rij: "PARENTS WHO ABUSE AMBER ALERTS wasting huge resources in the States and then getting locked up. I wonder do Gerry and Kate McCann wish to flag up this abuse of amber alerts when they appear in the alleged documentary for ITV? Seems about as farcical to me as the DE just giving them half a million for libel, whilst they remain not just the prime, but now, the only suspects in Madeleine's disappearance.." Het bericht waar ze op doelt > Kate and Gerry McCann in talks with ITV about missing children documentary.

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Op woensdag 26 maart 2008 19:37 schreef Suko het volgende:
Lijkt hij trouwens op 'Bundleman?'
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Nee dus:

Joana Morais heeft een lang artikel geplaatst over de verdachten en de reactie van Pa Luz. De daders zijn buren van hem. Dus Clarence Mitchell, dat wordt niks hoor, andere vermiste kindjes maar zoeken...

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McCanns make TV documentary one year on
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Kate and Gerry McCann are taking part in an ITV documentary to mark a year since their daughter Madeleine went missing, it has been revealed.

The McCanns will appear in the show 12 months after the four-year-old disappeared on May 3 last year at a Portuguese resort. There have been no confirmed sightings of Maddy since and her parents hope their appearance on TV will boost publicity for the case.

Cameras have been following Kate and Gerry McCann all year for the one-hour programme, at their home in Leicestershire and as they pursue their campaign in the US and Brussels

During the documentary the McCanns talk about Madeleine and what happened the night she disappeared. They also speak about being made suspects by the Portuguese police and about deciding to come back to Britain without their daughter.

"ITV has commissioned Mentorn Media to make a documentary marking the first anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance and focusing on the campaign to prevent others going through a similar ordeal," the broadcaster said. Madeleine's parents are said to be receiving no payment for their part in the programme, with ITV instead donating £10,000 to the Find Madeleine Fund.

Steve Anderson, executive producer for Mentorn Media, said: "Amid all of the controversy, what should be remembered is that a little girl is still missing and her family is trying its best to find her. "We have been with Kate and Gerry McCann as they have pushed for a better system across Europe to help stop child abduction.

"They are determined to do whatever they can to make sure that what happened to Madeleine doesn't happen to another child. Madeleine has not been seen since disappearing from her family's Algarve holiday apartment at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz. Metro
Anorak schrijft hier treffend over: "What did happen to Madeleine McCann? And if the McCann are making no money from the show, what of ITV and Menton Media, are they donating earnings and advertising monies to a good cause? Or is this just entertainment?"

Zijn ze al een jaar aan het filmen??? Ach ja, ondertussen wordt het maar heel normaal gevonden als ouders campagne voeren als formeel verdachten (omdat ze hebben geweigerd een aantal vragen te beantwoorden) ivm de vermissing van hun dochter. En worden situaties op die bewuste avond op 3 mei in de diverse interviews aangepast, net hoe het hen zo uitkomt. En vinden ze zichzelf verantwoordelijke ouders ondanks de wetenschap dat ze hun kids avond aan avond alleen lieten, ze zijn echt een 'goed' voorbeeld als verantwoordelijke ouders voor organisaties die zich met vermiste kinderen bezighouden. O ja, en vooral niet zelf zoeken als je kind weg is en vervolgens de wereld over te gaan als celebs en ze vooral niet geinteresseerd waren als er mogelijke sightings van Madeleine werden gemeld. Om je vervolgens qua mogelijke aanklacht te omringen met de beste juridische adviseurs zodat een eventuele rechtszaak bij voorbaat lijkt uitgesloten...


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  donderdag 27 maart 2008 @ 11:48:17 #287
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Idd Suko, die docu, goedemorgen trouwens, er staat wederom weer niets anders dan propaganda:
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McCanns to appear in documentary marking the anniversary of their daughter Madeleine's disappearance The Daily Mail - News 10:27

Madeleine McCann's parents to take part in documentary on anniversary of her disappearance Daily Record, Scotland 09:34

TV documentary to mark Madeleine's disappearance Worksop Guardian - News 07:59

ITV to air only TV interview with Madeleine McCann's parents Guardian Unlimited - UK Latest 07:26

Madeleine McCann: Mari Luz Cortes, Santiago del Valle Garcia And Clarence Mitchell Says Anorak.co.uk 07:19

Madeleine McCann: Gerry And Kate Film TV Documentary A Year On Sky News - Media 02:27

UK & World News: TV show marks Madeleine anniversary ChronicleLive - News 01:47

TV show marks Madeleine anniversary ICScotland - Scottish News 00:45
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/?search=madeleine&searchheadlines=1

Ik heb hier verder geen woorden voor, het meisje is weg, blijft weg en haar ouders, verdachten nota bene, komen met dit soort idioterie in het nieuws.......
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  donderdag 27 maart 2008 @ 12:03:04 #288
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Trouwens, Mari was toch helemaal niet misbruikt? Hoe komen ze er dan bij om een pedofiel de schuld te geven en meteen andere vermiste meisjes er bij te halen?
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Madrid - Four people have been indicted in connection with the death of 5-year-old girl Mari Luz Cortes, whose disappearance shocked Spain, police said Wednesday. The main suspect was a man with a criminal record for sexual abuse of children, who lived near the family of Mari Luz in the southern city of Huelva.

Those indicted included the man and his wife, who were detained near Cuenca in central Spain, as well as the man's brother and sister. The wife was released with charges.

The man was believed to have taken Mari Luz to the couple's home, where she fell down the stairs and died accidentally, after which the other suspects helped the man get rid of the body, according to television reports.

The girl's body was found floating in a river on March 7 after two months of searches. An autopsy showed that she had not been sexually abused.

The case of Mari Luz has been compared with that of 4-year-old British girl Madeleine McCann, who went missing on May 3, 2007, in a southern Portuguese holiday resort not far from where Mari Luz disappeared.

The fate of Madeleine, who made headlines all over the world, has not been clarified.
http://www.earthtimes.org(...)eleine--summary.html

Hoe komen ze in vredesnaam bij dit verhaal?
Het lijkt me toch heel raar dat dit waar is, een pedo die een meisje ontvoerd om te misbruiken en haar dan niet in de gaten houdt bij een trap, het meisje was 5, kom op zeg, er moet en zal een pedofiel beschuldigd worden en vervolgens ook even gelinkt worden aan Maddy zodat alles onder het vloerkleed kan en niemand het fijne te weten komt over de inconsistancies en de rogatory letters, immers als er iemand anders bekent dan worden de McCanns en de tapas bende automatisch vrijgesproken.
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Mari's disappearance was initially linked to Madeleine's, and the two girls were pictured alongside each other on thousands of posters printed by the McCanns.

The Spanish child's body was found floating in an estuary in Huelva near the Portuguese border on March 7.

The man being quizzed by Spanish police is reported to have convictions for child abuse and indecent assault on minors and is already said to have confessed to Mari Luz's murder.

McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: "We hope the Portuguese police will be liaising with the Spanish police to establish this man's movements around the time Madeleine disappeared.

"We have no indication there is a direct link between the two cases.

"But given the proximity of the places Madeleine and Mari Luz disappeared from and the similarity in their ages, we believe it's important the Portuguese police make absolutely sure there's no connection now there's been an arrest."
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=127396&in_page_id=34&ito=newsnow

Dus omdat er posters waren met de 2 meisjes zijn de zaken gelinkt en hij heeft wellicht de moord op Mari bekend dus zal hij ook wel schuldig zijn aan de verdwijning van Maddy?

CM zegt het zelf al, "We have no indication there is a direct link between the two cases", wat zijn ze dan in vredesnaam aan het doen?
"We hope the Portuguese police will be liaising with the Spanish police to establish this man's movements around the time Madeleine disappeared."
Weet jij nog wat je bijna een jaar geleden hebt gedaan en kun je ook een alibi verschaffen?

(Ik weet dat deze links al eens voorbij zijn gekomen maar even voor de duidelijkheid heb ik ze er bij gezet, dit vroeg ik me opeens af.)
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Mogge Kahaarin. Ach weet je, het is niet zo moeilijk om vermiste kindjes en hun mogelijke ontvoerders naar je toe te trekken, de McCanns zorgen er wel voor de contacten met deze organisaties warm te houden, dat doen ze al sinds de vermissing van Madeleine. Overigens is die dader Santiago in de zaak Mari Luz geen 'fijne' vent omdat (slechte vertaling):
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A source of the Specialized Unit and Violent Crime (UDEV), responsible for the arrest, confirmed that the suspect claimed today that Mari Luz "fell" during the fight and died accidentally. From its precedent for abuse of minors, including her own daughter, the man had already been interrogated and searched his home but police had not found the slightest evidence of the passage of Mari Luz." Bron
Overigens meldde Clarence Mitchell eerder in de Telegraph:
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Mr Mitchell added that the McCanns were not interested in appearing in a documentary detailing how they were coping with the disappearance of their daughter. He said: "They don't want to do anything about 'woe is us a year on'. That is what the tabloids would like us to do, but we are not following their agenda, we are following our own agenda.
Waarom dan filmen in Rothley? En dat ze een eigen agenda hebben weet de hele wereld allang al, dat kunnen we dagelijks lezen.

Een zeer juiste reactie van iemand op het bericht (Sky News) over die documentaire: "What about the investigation? A year later the McCanns decide that they can in actual fact, speak about the night Madeleine went missing, being made arguidos and their escape from Portugal - why now? They couldn't talk about it before - they couldn't talk about ANY aspect of the investigation. Seems to me that they pick and choose what they can and can't talk about when it suits them."

En over dat bezoek in Brussel schrijft iemand op 't 3arguidoforum:
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This is interesting. These people were in Brussels on March 4th and 7th by the look of this

http://madeleinemccann.bl(...)adeleine-mccann.html

Catherine meyer was mentioned by Gerry in his blogs 29th Feb 08
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id57.html

http://www.telegraph.co.u(...)06/nmadeleine106.xml

They seem to know Catherine very well ...from the article.
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  donderdag 27 maart 2008 @ 15:57:15 #290
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Mogge Kahaarin. Ach weet je, het is niet zo moeilijk om vermiste kindjes en hun mogelijke ontvoerders naar je toe te trekken, de McCanns zorgen er wel voor de contacten met deze organisaties warm te houden, dat doen ze al sinds de vermissing van Madeleine. Overigens is die dader Santiago in de zaak Mari Luz geen 'fijne' vent omdat (slechte vertaling):
Fijne vent of niet, CM dekt zichzelf al in door te zeggen dat er geen bewijs is dat de zaken gelinkt zijn, in spin de boog gaat in.
Dit is gewoon weer media covarage en een rookgordijn, als blijkt dat hij idd Mari om het leven heeft gebracht is dat natuurlijk goed nieuws voor haar ouders, dan hebben ze de vent te pakken die hun dochter heeft omgebracht maar dat de McCanns daar zo omheen lopen te spoken vind ik smakeloos en niet goed te praten.
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Waarom dan filmen in Rothley? En dat ze een eigen agenda hebben weet de hele wereld allang al, dat kunnen we dagelijks lezen.
http://ukpress.google.com(...)x-MZOXYUbQFro6K4sKzw

Heb je dit al gezien? Het speelt dus blijkbaar al langer.
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The parents of Madeleine McCann are taking part in an ITV documentary to mark the first anniversary of their daughter's disappearance.

Cameras have been following Kate and Gerry McCann since January for the programme, which will feature extended contributions from the couple.

The one-hour ITV1 special follows Madeleine's parents as they launch a campaign to introduce a US-style Amber Alert system in Europe when a child goes missing.

The couple have already been filmed at their home in Rothley, Leicestershire, and travelling to Washington in the US to pursue their campaign. Cameras will also be with the pair when they intend to highlight the issue in Brussels.

The alert system would see law enforcement agencies empowered to commandeer airtime on TV and radio when a child goes missing.

ITV said the McCanns hope a European-wide scheme would help other families in similar circumstances.

In the documentary, the McCanns also talk about Madeleine, the night the four-year-old went missing, becoming "Arguido" suspects in Portugal and the decision to return to Britain.

A statement from the broadcaster said: "ITV has commissioned Mentorn Media to make a documentary marking the first anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance and focusing on the campaign to prevent others going through a similar ordeal."

It said no payment has been made to Madeleine's parents for making the programme and the broadcaster will instead donate £10,000 to the Find Madeleine Fund.

Madeleine went missing from her family's holiday apartment at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3.
http://ukpress.google.com(...)x-MZOXYUbQFro6K4sKzw

Dit is gewoon een volgende poging om zielig te doen en aandacht te krijgen imho, ze hebben het zelf om handen gehad door weg te gaan en de kinderen alleen te laten, ook al zouden ze niets te maken hebben met de verdwijning zelf, al deze aandacht en media berichten verdienen ze niet.
Ik heb er zo mijn twijfels bij dat alles gegaan is zoals ze zelf zeggen maar dat zal de tijd wel uitwijzen, puur en alleen om die grenzeloze onachtzaamheid zouden ze zich al diep moeten schamen en in een hoekje kruipen, wie denken ze dat ze in 's hemelsnaam zijn!
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Een zeer juiste reactie van iemand op het bericht (Sky News) over die documentaire: "What about the investigation? A year later the McCanns decide that they can in actual fact, speak about the night Madeleine went missing, being made arguidos and their escape from Portugal - why now? They couldn't talk about it before - they couldn't talk about ANY aspect of the investigation. Seems to me that they pick and choose what they can and can't talk about when it suits them."
Precies, je kunt je niet deels verschuilen achter een gag order en vervolgens wel de media zoeken als het je wel uit komt, ach ja, upper class met connecties, was ik even vergeten, dom, dom, dom.....
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En over dat bezoek in Brussel schrijft iemand op 't 3arguidoforum:
Tja, nogmaals upper class, "Our kind of people don't do things like that." ze zijn er zo van overtuigd dat het een pedofiel is en dat de McCanns geen blaam treft, ze zitten er gewoon te dicht bij, als iedereen nu eens een stapje terug zet en bedenkt dat het om 2 artsen gaat (!) die willens en wetens hun kinderen in een onafgesloten huis hebben laten zitten terwijl ze geen zicht hadden op de deur en geen babyfoon mee hadden dan denk ik dat er maar 1 conclusie mogelijk is, ik vraag me af hoe dezelfde mensen zouden reageren als dit een metselaar en een kamermeisje was overkomen, het is gewoon niet goed te praten en ben het ook helemaal eens met die Portugese schrijver van vorige week, ze zouden aangeklaagd moeten worden wegens in gevaar brengen van hun kinderen, dit is toch op zijn minst verwaarlozing.

Neemt niet weg dat iedereen gewoon van kinderen af moet blijven en mochten de McCanns dit niet zelf om handen hebben gehad dan hoop ik dat ze eens een keer echt werk gaan maken van het onderzoek, ik heb mijn twijfels omdat ze zo geheimzinnig doen en geen duidelijkheid geven, hun tapas maatjes doen ook al zo vreemd, snappen doe ik het niet helemaal maar dat er uiteindelijk toch een vorm van gerechtigheid moet komen voor Maddy staat wel als een paal boven water in mijn ogen.

En dan kom je toch al snel in een gevaarlijk gebied, het is heel goed mogelijk dat er dan de verkeerde mensen verantwoordelijk worden gesteld voor dit misdrijf, immers iedereen wil afsluiting en dat er iemand gaat boeten voor wat er is gebeurd.
Maar dat de ouders niet van smetten vrij zijn is voor mij overduidelijk, maar ja, niet iedereen is gelijk in de ogen van velen, vrouwe justitia hoort blind te zijn maar helaas gluurt ze bij sommigen langs haar blinddoek, bij de 1 doet ze een oogje toe, bij de ander gaat het vingertje omhoog.
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Ben het helemaal met je eens hoor, goed verhaal overigens. En dat Amber Alert speelt idd al veel langer, dat is ook verbazingwekkend dat de McCanns eigenlijk vanaf het begin de bezochten steden direct contacten hebben gelegd met de betreffende organisaties, ook toen in de US. Gerry had het er al over in z'n blog 23 Jul 07 81 Ook in mei al kondigde Kate McCann zich hiermee bezig te houden, het lijkt er gewoon op dat ze alles in de planning hadden en systematisch de boel aan het opzetten zijn. Waarom anders is er vanaf het begin door ITV gefilmd...Op sommige fora worden er gedachten geuit die ik vooralsnog niet geloof maar de twijfel slaat toe.

Anyway, een interview met de voormalige PJ Chief-Inspector en Criminoloog Moita Flores op de site van Joana Morais:
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I'll leave you with this small interview in today's Correio da Manhã with former PJ Chief-Inspector and Criminologist Moita Flores, and his opinion article.

“Mari Luz Case is Different from Maddie’s ", says Francisco Moita Flores

What similarities do you find between the cases Mari Luz?

Francisco Moita Flores – There are none to find. The development of this case in Spain simply confirmed the records of the criminal statistics.

How so?

All the known situations of children's kidnapping have resulted in their death. Generally, like in this case, in an accidental murder.

Do you believe that the difference regarding the Madeleine’s case is the non discovery of the body?

It’s hard to say this out loud but this type of crime has not so many peculiarities. Besides the lack of a body, it is necessary to tell the type of access to the child. If Mari Luz was kidnapped in the street, in a public place, in the case of Madeleine only someone with access to the apartment of the McCanns could carry out the kidnapping, which limits the suspects to just about eight or ten persons.
Nog meer qua opinie, gepubliceerd in Correio da Manha, van Flores op de site van Joana. Zo, heb er weer de buik vol van. Hopelijk leveren straks die verhoren in de UK nog wat op....

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Gerry McCann, formeel verdachte, op z'n blog:
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Day 329: 27/03/2008

Kate and I arrived back from Washington yesterday. We went primarily to visit the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) and to learn more about the implementation of their national AMBER alert system (child rescue alert). The whole experience was very positive. The staff at NCMEC is the most experienced in dealing with missing and abducted children anywhere in the world.

The AMBER alert system should be used in the most serious child abduction cases (usually by strangers, when the child is considered at risk of serious harm) to recover the child as quickly as possible. The alert is based on the realisation that galvanising the local community can play a huge role in finding missing children. Last year alone 68 children, and almost 400 in total since its’ implementation, were recovered safely as a direct result of the AMBER alert. In 16 cases the abductor released the child safely when hearing the AMBER alert. We strongly feel that Europe should have a similar integrated child rescue alert.

Our visit to Washington and meetings with other relevant European organisations will be shown on a documentary to be screened by ITV on the 30 April. The programme will focus on the campaign to introduce a European version of the AMBER alert. There will of course be massive media interest in Madeleine’s disappearance at this time, if she remains missing, and we hope that the programme is shown in most European countries and further afield.

During our Washington visit we were also very encouraged to hear that, in NCMEC’s experience, the younger the child at the time of abduction the less likely that child will be seriously harmed. Such information makes us believe even more fervently, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, that Madeleine can be found safe and well. Bron
Ik verwijs voor de duidelijkheid maar eens naar de post van Voyeur die de Europese variant onlangs heeft gemaild:
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Ik heb eindelijk antwoord van Missing Children Europe over het vermeende ambassadeurschap van Kate. Laat niets te raden over lijkt me:

Dear Sir,

Apologies for the delay in coming back to you, due to the fact that I have been out of office last week.

Missing Children Europe has met informally with Kate and Gerry McCann, at the occasion of which the issues of concern for Missing Children Europe were discussed. The lunch refered to did however not take place.
Furthermore, the statement that Kate McCann would become an Ambassador for Missing Children Europe is also not true, and is as far as we are concerned purely a presupposition of certain newspapers.

I hope this clarifies the questions you had concerning this issue,

Best regards,<naam weggelaten, maar is de officiele woordvoerster>
Gejat van het 3arguidoforum:



En kennelijk mogen ze als formeel verdachten gaan en staan waar ze willen, volgens een artikel op 10/09/2007 uit de Telegraph: "No conditions were imposed on the McCanns, which means they are free to travel abroad, their lawyer said. "They can travel whenever and wherever they like," lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu told Reuters, adding that the McCanns could remain at their home in England as the police investigation continues."

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Toch vreemd hoor.. Dat men het over een boek heeft en daarbij de vraag stelt of het ook offline te bekijken is
  zaterdag 29 maart 2008 @ 12:08:04 #294
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Okay, dankje!

Een rondje Anorak met iets concretere aanwijzingen voor de verdere verhoren:
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DAILY MIRROR: “100 QUESTIONS FOR TAPAS SEVEN”

The same 100 questions Portuguese police compiled last November, or new ones?

Kate and Gerry McCann’s holiday friends will be quizzed again to check alleged discrepancies in their stories. The Tapas Seven, who had dinner with the McCanns on the night their daughter Madeleine, four, vanished, will have more than 100 questions put to them by Portuguese police.

Tapas Seven. Tapas Nine. What will the tabloids settle on?

The Mirror quotes a source who tells a source, Portuguese paper 24 Horas: “We are at a crucial phase. There are clear contradictions in the statements that the McCanns and their friends gave. Many things have to be clarified. The need to question Madeleine’s parents again will be determined by the results of the interrogations of their holiday friends.”

In which instance the Tapas Nine will be questioned
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http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/182519.html
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Toch geloof ik niet dat het alleen van de verhoren van die Tapasluitjes afhangt of de McCanns nog worden verhoord, alleen mogen wij dat misschien niet weten. Wel worden Cuddle Cat en het dagboek van Kate opgeeist. Anyway, ik vond via dit blog dat een aantal geldschieters (waaronder Branson en waaron heb ik dat niet eerder gelezen ) zich al in september hebben teruggetrokken, een 3-pagina's lang artikel in de telegraph uit september: Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw support, dus vlak nadat ze tot formeel verdachten waren verklaard. Vandaar ook the need for money, maar waarom die geldverslinders van Metodo 3 dan nog steeds worden ingezet...makes you wonder...? Maar goed, de docu (inclusief een rondje huis in Rothley wat natuurlijk niks met Madeleine te maken heeft) wordt dus 31 april op ITV uitgezonden, daar zullen we vast wel een verpeste versie op SBS6 van krijgen, net zoals ze dat deden met die BBC-docu.

Edit: moet 30 april zijn, voor diegene die ITV1 kunnen ontvangen.

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Op zaterdag 29 maart 2008 22:36 schreef Suko het volgende:
Toch geloof ik niet dat het alleen van de verhoren van die Tapasluitjes afhangt of de McCanns nog worden verhoord, alleen mogen wij dat misschien niet weten. Wel worden Cuddle Cat en het dagboek van Kate opgeeist. Anyway, ik vond via dit blog dat een aantal geldschieters (waaronder Branson en waaron heb ik dat niet eerder gelezen ) zich al in september hebben teruggetrokken, een 3-pagina's lang artikel in de telegraph uit september: Madeleine McCann: Tycoons withdraw support, dus vlak nadat ze tot formeel verdachten waren verklaard. Vandaar ook the need for money, maar waarom die geldverslinders van Metodo 3 dan nog steeds worden ingezet...makes you wonder...? Maar goed, de docu (inclusief een rondje huis in Rothley wat natuurlijk niks met Madeleine te maken heeft) wordt dus 31 april op ITV uitgezonden, daar zullen we vast wel een verpeste versie op SBS6 van krijgen, net zoals ze dat deden met die BBC-docu.

Edit: moet 30 april zijn, voor diegene die ITV1 kunnen ontvangen.
http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/182535.html

In dit rondje Anorak wordt het 1 en ander gesuggereerd, de 1 zegt dat ze niet ver hoord worden en de ander zegt dat het van de statements van de Tapas-7 af hangt, we zullen zien.
Ik kan me ook niet voorstellen dat alles af hangt van de Tapas-7, het zou imho ook dom zijn om alles maar in de pers te kwakken, hopelijk komt er binnenkort een duidelijk bericht naar buiten.
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SUNDAY PEOPLE: “COPS’ 3-DAY TAPAS QUIZ”

Big news for those who thought the cops’ specialist food knowledge was donuts and kebabs. Cops making a last-ditch bid to solve the Maddie McCann mystery will spend only THREE DAYS quizzing the Tapas Seven.

Not the Tapas Nine. Not the Sangria Seven.
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A source told Portuguese paper 24 Horas, said: “We are at a crucial phase. There are clear contradictions in the statements that the McCanns and their friends gave. Many things have to be clarified.

“The need to question Madeleine’s parents again will be determined by the results of the interrogations of their holiday friends.”
Zeg het maar, wie heeft er gelijk?

Wat grappig dat het opstappen van de sponsors zo geheim is gehouden, ik zou echt wel eens willen zien wat de McCanns nu daadwerkelijk hebben uitgegeven aan het vinden van Maddy en aan propaganda voor henzelf, ik ben bang dat Maddy er bekaaid af komt.
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Op zondag 30 maart 2008 13:19 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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http://www.anorak.co.uk/madeleine-mccann/182535.html

In dit rondje Anorak wordt het 1 en ander gesuggereerd, de 1 zegt dat ze niet ver hoord worden en de ander zegt dat het van de statements van de Tapas-7 af hangt, we zullen zien.
Ik kan me ook niet voorstellen dat alles af hangt van de Tapas-7, het zou imho ook dom zijn om alles maar in de pers te kwakken, hopelijk komt er binnenkort een duidelijk bericht naar buiten.
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Zeg het maar, wie heeft er gelijk?

Wat grappig dat het opstappen van de sponsors zo geheim is gehouden, ik zou echt wel eens willen zien wat de McCanns nu daadwerkelijk hebben uitgegeven aan het vinden van Maddy en aan propaganda voor henzelf, ik ben bang dat Maddy er bekaaid af komt.
Nou, wie er gelijk heeft weet ik niet, wel schreven kranten vorige week dat de PJ (voorlopig) afziet van verhoor omdat de McCanns zich hebben verschanst achter de beste juridische bijstand (kost toch ook een aardige duit, geheime geldschieters?) die men zich kan wensen en men zich kan beroepen op zwijgrecht: "The Policia Judiciaria had prepared various questions it wanted Kate and Gerry to face but they were crossed off the list of priorities on the advice of public prosecutors. "They felt it was a waste of time because the McCanns would refuse to answer the questions, a right that Portuguese law grants official suspects." Portuguese police indicated recently they were ready to spend more than two months in Britain." Daily Mail van vorige week, dus 3 dagen (zoals vandaag wordt bericht) uittrekken voor de verhoren lijkt optimistisch... Op het 3arguidoforum meldt iemand dat het best zou kunnen dat verhoor van de McCanns helemaal niet nodig is, de PJ heeft genoeg in handen qua bewijzen... Maar goed, als het allemaal tot niets leidt en Madeleine wordt niet gevonden, dan nog zijn volgens mij deze twee 'verantwoordelijke' ouders/celebs voor het leven getekend, op een handje sekteachtige fans na, wie gelooft hen nog....geen hond!

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Poe hé, zelfs de BBC meldt dat volgende week dinsdag de verhoren beginnen, alhoewel BBC's Breakfast News dat pas ná 0.900u in een uitgebreider bericht meldde, dan zijn de meeste mensen immers naar het werk...
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Police to question McCann friends The friends who were on holiday with Madeleine McCann's parents when the girl went missing are to be reinterviewed by police in the UK.

The group of seven will be questioned next week by Leicestershire Police, with Portuguese detectives present. Four-year-old Madeleine disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the Algarve last May. Her parents, who deny any wrongdoing, remain arguidos or formal suspects. They will not face questioning.

Small team

Madeleine disappeared days before her fourth birthday, during a family holiday in the resort of Praia da Luz, in the Algarve, on 3 May last year. The seven friends dined with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

One of the group, Jane Tanner, has already told the police she saw a man that evening carrying a child, close to the family's apartment. The BBC's Steve Kingston in Madrid said he understood that a small team of Portuguese detectives will arrive in Britain next Monday.

He added: "The Portuguese detectives will not conduct the interviews - but instead watch as officers from Leicestershire Police put a list of questions agreed in advance through the Home Office." The questioning of the McCanns' friends will begin on Tuesday and should be completed by the end of the week.

Police interviews are also planned with relatives and advisers who were with the McCanns during the early days of the investigation. Separately, lawyers for the couple have requested that two dozen other witnesses be interviewed, including staff from the Ocean Club complex and several British holidaymakers.
Zo, de hele reut rondom de McCanns wordt ge-interviewd en zelf mogen ze apart van dit alles, vragen dat werknemers van het Portugese resort en Britse vakantiegangers die daar tijdens de vermissing aanweizg waren, worden gehoord. Of dat ook gaat plaatsvinden is mij niet duidelijk, requested dus, ik zie er geen toestemming bij staan...En de Telegraph voegt er nog even fijntjes aan toe: "The McCanns have hired a Spanish private detective agency to search for their daughter, who they believe may have been taken to North Africa. However, despite hundreds of sightings sparked by massive global media coverage of the case, they appear no closer to finding Madeleine." Dat we dat maar weten...

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  maandag 31 maart 2008 @ 12:17:23 #299
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Op zondag 30 maart 2008 15:48 schreef Suko het volgende:

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Nou, wie er gelijk heeft weet ik niet, wel schreven kranten vorige week dat de PJ (voorlopig) afziet van verhoor omdat de McCanns zich hebben verschanst achter de beste juridische bijstand (kost toch ook een aardige duit, geheime geldschieters?) die men zich kan wensen en men zich kan beroepen op zwijgrecht: "The Policia Judiciaria had prepared various questions it wanted Kate and Gerry to face but they were crossed off the list of priorities on the advice of public prosecutors. "They felt it was a waste of time because the McCanns would refuse to answer the questions, a right that Portuguese law grants official suspects." Portuguese police indicated recently they were ready to spend more than two months in Britain." Daily Mail van vorige week, dus 3 dagen (zoals vandaag wordt bericht) uittrekken voor de verhoren lijkt optimistisch... Op het 3arguidoforum meldt iemand dat het best zou kunnen dat verhoor van de McCanns helemaal niet nodig is, de PJ heeft genoeg in handen qua bewijzen... Maar goed, als het allemaal tot niets leidt en Madeleine wordt niet gevonden, dan nog zijn volgens mij deze twee 'verantwoordelijke' ouders/celebs voor het leven getekend, op een handje sekteachtige fans na, wie gelooft hen nog....geen hond!
Ze hebben de schijn wel tegen idd.
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Op maandag 31 maart 2008 09:46 schreef Suko het volgende:
Poe hé, zelfs de BBC meldt dat volgende week dinsdag de verhoren beginnen, alhoewel BBC's Breakfast News dat pas ná 0.900u in een uitgebreider bericht meldde, dan zijn de meeste mensen immers naar het werk...
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Zo, de hele reut rondom de McCanns wordt ge-interviewd en zelf mogen ze apart van dit alles, vragen dat werknemers van het Portugese resort en Britse vakantiegangers die daar tijdens de vermissing aanweizg waren, worden gehoord. Of dat ook gaat plaatsvinden is mij niet duidelijk, requested dus, ik zie er geen toestemming bij staan...En de Telegraph voegt er nog even fijntjes aan toe: "The McCanns have hired a Spanish private detective agency to search for their daughter, who they believe may have been taken to North Africa. However, despite hundreds of sightings sparked by massive global media coverage of the case, they appear no closer to finding Madeleine." Dat we dat maar weten...
Vragen staat vrij, als de PJ dat niet wil laten ze Metodo3 daar op zetten doen ze ook eens iets voor hun geld.

In het Duitse bericht proef ik een beetje sarcasme:
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London. dpa/baz. Fast ein Jahr nach dem mysteriösen Verschwinden der kleinen Madeleine sollen Freunde ihrer Eltern erneut von der Polizei vernommen werden. Die Befragung von sieben Freunden des Ärzteehepaars Kate und Gerry McCann werde in der nächsten Woche durch britische Ermittler im Beisein portugiesischer Kriminalisten erfolgen, berichtete der Sender BBC am Montag.
"Bijna een jaar na de mysterieuze verdwijning van de kleine Madeleine worden de vrienden van haar ouders opnieuw verhoord."

Laat ze maar uitkijken, anders hebben ze zo een claim aan hun broek hangen.

http://www.baz.ch/news/in(...)CEF-707DD87126CD3D47
be nice or go away
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Op maandag 31 maart 2008 12:17 schreef kahaarin het volgende:

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Ze hebben de schijn wel tegen idd.
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Vragen staat vrij, als de PJ dat niet wil laten ze Metodo3 daar op zetten doen ze ook eens iets voor hun geld. Ha ha, goed idee Kahaarin, die lui hebben alleen de McCanns een reden 'gegeven' dat Madeleine is ontvoerd, mensen hinderlijk lastig gevallen en 'valse' sithings publiek gemaakt, iets wat het imago van (zoal ze die hadden) de McCanns volkomen teniet heeft gedaan. Ook Clarence Mitchell heeft z'n werk goed gedaan, te goed, ook dat heeft veelal de meelevende/lezende toeschouwer van gedachten doen veranderen, in niet het voordeel van de McCanns.

In het Duitse bericht proef ik een beetje sarcasme:
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"Bijna een jaar na de mysterieuze verdwijning van de kleine Madeleine worden de vrienden van haar ouders opnieuw verhoord." Dat is idd een vet understatement....

Laat ze maar uitkijken, anders hebben ze zo een claim aan hun broek hangen. Mwoah, iets wat men mysterieus noemt kan geen kwaad, daar trapt geen rechter in....

http://www.baz.ch/news/in(...)CEF-707DD87126CD3D47
En dat ongelofelijk onzin-gebep van Clarence Mitchell op Sky News, hoe verzint hij het toch: "Mr Mitchell said the McCanns welcomed the new questioning and there had been no request for them to be re-interviewed. "There were some reports from Portugal last week that police were not going to question Kate and Gerry because they thought they would not co-operate. This is utterly ridiculous and completely baseless." Nee druiloor, dat was omdat de McCanns zich omringen met top-lawers en de PJ houdt er al rekening mee dat de McCanns zich beroepen op hun zwijgrecht, en de moeite niet eens meer neemt, zo wordt beweerd...> (maar ik vermoed dat de PJ genoeg belastend materiaal in handen heeft) Anders hadden ze trouwens allang hun medewerking toch gegeven...ze hebben alleen maar tegengewerkt en druk druk druk met hun publiciteitscampagne!

Interessante (felle) beschouwingen van Joana Morais, maar persoonlijk hou ik daar wel van, niet van dat weke gebabbel....

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