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Steve Gregory Croes
was ten tijde van Natalees verdwijning DJ op de Tatoo Party Boat, een klein model cruiseschip voor de kust van Aruba waar feestjes op werden georganiseerd. Het neemt groepen toeristen mee de Caribische Zee op en laat ze daar drinken en op muziek dansen. Steve had de beschikking over een sleutel van deze boot en was de vaste DJ. Op zondagavonden bleef de boot altijd aan wal, slechts in geval van speciale prive-boekingen werd dan uitgevaren. Natalee Holloway verdween in de nacht van zondag 30 mei 2005 in het bijzijn van vermoedelijk Joran van der Sloot. De eerste verklaring van Joran, Satish en Deepak was echter dat zij Natalee hebben afgezet bij de lobby van het Holiday Inn. Op basis van die informatie zijn in Juni 2005 ook twee security guards van Holiday Inn gearresteerd. Echter, de verklaring werd door J2K (Joran en Kalpoe brothers) weer ingetrokken en de guards werden vrijgelaten.
Op het moment dat J2K de verklaring introkken, kwam Steve Croes echter uit het niets naar justitie om te verklaren dat hij gezien had hoe J2K die nacht Natalee hadden afgezet bij haar hotel. Omdat J2K hun verklaring toen al hadden ingetrokken, maakte dit Steve Croes direct verdacht. Want waarom zou hij vrijwillig en out-of-the-blue naar justitie stappen om een verklaring in te dienen ten gunste van J2K? Justitie vond dit verdacht en Steve Croes heeft 10 dagen vastgezeten en is daarna vrijgelaten. Wat justitie echter niet heeft onderzocht is de rol van de Tatoo Party Boat in deze verdwijningszaak. De boot is niet geinspecteerd en ook is niet onderzocht waarom Steve Croes ontslagen werd als DJ van de boot.
In Juni 2005 is het guestbook van de Tatoo Party Boat website volgespamd met berichten van Amerikaanse internetters als "Where is Natalee?" Het guestbook is toen offline gehaald, het bericht dat de webmasters hiertoe besloten hadden is nog altijd te raadplegen via deze link:
http://web.archive.org/we(...)ventures/dcguest.cgi
Nog vreemder is het feit dat de Tatoo Party Boat vrijwel direct na Natalees verdwijning te koop is gezet op Internet voor een bedrag van $ 875.000,- Deze advertentie is nog altijd te zien via de volgende link:
http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/boats/action/view/boat/297/
De boot is dus nog steeds niet verkocht.
Maar er is meer. Negen dagen voor Natalees verdwijning (mei 2005) is er op hetzelfde strand nabij Holiday Inn een vrouw aangerand en gepoogd in de auto te trekken van een gezette Arubaan met een apart model (achthoekige) bril. De vrouw is ontkomen en heeft aangifte gedaan bij de Arubaanse politie. Naar aanleiding van deze aangifte is een compositietekening gemaakt en later is deze figuur gelinked aan een foto waarop zowel hij als Steve Croes waren te zien tijdens een Arubaans feest. In deze fotoserie zijn ook foto's van Satish Kalpoe terug te vinden, hij was ook aanwezig op dat feest. De foto's werden gehosted op een site van de TU Delft, de reden hiervoor is nog altijd onduidelijk. Steve Gregory Croes bevindt zich klaarblijkelijk in een sociale kring die ronduit geweldadig is. De foto met de gezette Arubaan met achthoekige bril en Croes is destijds door Arubaanse bloggers naar Peter R. de Vries gezonden.
Een mogelijk scenario van Natalees verdwijning zou zich kunnen afspelen met betrokkenheid van deze Steve Croes en misschien nog anderen. Wellicht heeft de Tatoo Party Boat hier een grote rol ingespeeld en is dit iets wat justitie nooit heeft opgepakt. Bovenstaande gegevens zijn tenminste merkwaardig en zou een verklaring kunnen zijn voor een "hide-and-seek" spelende Joran van der Sloot om de aandacht af te leiden van de werkelijke dader(s).
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door johan555 op 04-02-2008 16:48:29 ]
Steve Gregory Croes
was ten tijde van Natalees verdwijning DJ op de Tatoo Party Boat, een klein model cruiseschip voor de kust van Aruba waar feestjes op werden georganiseerd. Het neemt groepen toeristen mee de Caribische Zee op en laat ze daar drinken en op muziek dansen. Steve had de beschikking over een sleutel van deze boot en was de vaste DJ. Op zondagavonden bleef de boot altijd aan wal, slechts in geval van speciale prive-boekingen werd dan uitgevaren. Natalee Holloway verdween in de nacht van zondag 30 mei 2005 in het bijzijn van vermoedelijk Joran van der Sloot. De eerste verklaring van Joran, Satish en Deepak was echter dat zij Natalee hebben afgezet bij de lobby van het Holiday Inn. Op basis van die informatie zijn in Juni 2005 ook twee security guards van Holiday Inn gearresteerd. Echter, de verklaring werd door J2K (Joran en Kalpoe brothers) weer ingetrokken en de guards werden vrijgelaten.
Op het moment dat J2K de verklaring introkken, kwam Steve Croes echter uit het niets naar justitie om te verklaren dat hij gezien had hoe J2K die nacht Natalee hadden afgezet bij haar hotel. Omdat J2K hun verklaring toen al hadden ingetrokken, maakte dit Steve Croes direct verdacht. Want waarom zou hij vrijwillig en out-of-the-blue naar justitie stappen om een verklaring in te dienen ten gunste van J2K? Justitie vond dit verdacht en Steve Croes heeft 10 dagen vastgezeten en is daarna vrijgelaten. Wat justitie echter niet heeft onderzocht is de rol van de Tatoo Party Boat in deze verdwijningszaak. De boot is niet geinspecteerd en ook is niet onderzocht waarom Steve Croes ontslagen werd als DJ van de boot.
In Juni 2005 is het guestbook van de Tatoo Party Boat website volgespamd met berichten van Amerikaanse internetters als "Where is Natalee?" Het guestbook is toen offline gehaald, het bericht dat de webmasters hiertoe besloten hadden is nog altijd te raadplegen via deze link:
http://web.archive.org/we(...)ventures/dcguest.cgi
Nog vreemder is het feit dat de Tatoo Party Boat vrijwel direct na Natalees verdwijning te koop is gezet op Internet voor een bedrag van $ 875.000,- Deze advertentie is nog altijd te zien via de volgende link:
http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/boats/action/view/boat/297/
De boot is dus nog steeds niet verkocht.
Maar er is meer. Negen dagen voor Natalees verdwijning (mei 2005) is er op hetzelfde strand nabij Holiday Inn een vrouw aangerand en gepoogd in de auto te trekken van een gezette Arubaan met een apart model (achthoekige) bril. De vrouw is ontkomen en heeft aangifte gedaan bij de Arubaanse politie. Naar aanleiding van deze aangifte is een compositietekening gemaakt en later is deze figuur gelinked aan een foto waarop zowel hij als Steve Croes waren te zien tijdens een Arubaans feest. In deze fotoserie zijn ook foto's van Satish Kalpoe terug te vinden, hij was ook aanwezig op dat feest. De foto's werden gehosted op een site van de TU Delft, de reden hiervoor is nog altijd onduidelijk. Steve Gregory Croes bevindt zich klaarblijkelijk in een sociale kring die ronduit geweldadig is. De foto met de gezette Arubaan met achthoekige bril en Croes is destijds door Arubaanse bloggers naar Peter R. de Vries gezonden.
Een mogelijk scenario van Natalees verdwijning zou zich kunnen afspelen met betrokkenheid van deze Steve Croes en misschien nog anderen. Wellicht heeft de Tatoo Party Boat hier een grote rol ingespeeld en is dit iets wat justitie nooit heeft opgepakt. Bovenstaande gegevens zijn tenminste merkwaardig en zou een verklaring kunnen zijn voor een "hide-and-seek" spelende Joran van der Sloot om de aandacht af te leiden van de werkelijke dader(s).
[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door johan555 op 04-02-2008 16:48:29 ]
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
Joran is geen domme jongen.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 16:34 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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Misschien is Daury wel een omgedraaide naam voor bijvoorbeeld Audry of dry-aruba (of aruba-dry)
http://spitsnet.nl/nieuws.php/1/483767/anp
Het interview http://www.dag.nl/Nieuws/(...)-gewoon-bullshit.htm
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Ik had het hier niet over en denk ook dat deze jongen van niets weet.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 16:39 schreef BabblingBrook het volgende:
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Joran is geen domme jongen.
http://spitsnet.nl/nieuws.php/1/483767/anp
Ik had het er alleen over wat je eventueel van de naam (cq woord) van Daury zou kunnen maken.
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Maar waarom zo diep nadenken of het een anagram is? Het moge duidelijk zijn dat die jongen gewoon bestaat en op een of andere manier verwikkeld is geraakt in de leugen van Joran.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 16:43 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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Ik had het hier niet over en denk ook dat deze jongen van niets weet.
Ik had het er alleen over wat je eventueel van de naam (cq woord) van Daury zou kunnen maken.
Rudy A ?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 16:44 schreef BabblingBrook het volgende:
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Maar waarom zo diep nadenken of het een anagram is? Het moge duidelijk zijn dat die jongen gewoon bestaat en op een of andere manier verwikkeld is geraakt in de leugen van Joran.
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daury >>> audry
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
De foto's van de jongen die eerder in dit topic werden geplaatst bij de naam Lorenzo van Rijn zijn wél op een of andere manier van iemand die omgang heeft met Joran: deze gast staat immers ook een paar foto's van het Flickr Album van Joran
Het zou kunnen zijn dat deze jongen Jaime is, te zien aan a) de letters boven de foto en b) omdat hij in dit artikel óók genoemd wordt als een eventuele Jaime. Ik zeg niet dat hij er iets mee te maken heeft hoor, maar het kan maar duidelijk zijn wie wie is...
Edit: De letters boven de foto: J = Jaime en F = Freddy
Edit2: Deze foto is nog duidelijker dat het om Jamie (of Jaime) gaat
Zie titel vd foto
Het zou kunnen zijn dat deze jongen Jaime is, te zien aan a) de letters boven de foto en b) omdat hij in dit artikel óók genoemd wordt als een eventuele Jaime. Ik zeg niet dat hij er iets mee te maken heeft hoor, maar het kan maar duidelijk zijn wie wie is...
Edit: De letters boven de foto: J = Jaime en F = Freddy
Edit2: Deze foto is nog duidelijker dat het om Jamie (of Jaime) gaat
Zie titel vd foto
Ze veranderen de nummerplaten per jaar. De eerste foto is in zijn tuin en het tweede is in het politiebureau met 5 spaaks velgen. Dit zijn allemaal echte foto's en bieden zij het bewijs zij dit voertuig werd gewijzigd of zij auto's veranderd.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
ja, maar wanneer is de eerste foto genomen en door wie 
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
Hier is wat info ik samen op een Porn Producent die was in Aruba. Hierna Mr.Pink. Hij vluchtte Aruba en afsluiten van alle websites zijn na Natalee verdween. Zijn telefoon records werden genomen door de FBI in augustus 2005. Hij heeft ook verkrachting en ontvoering video's evenals achterbank bangers, de site Joran was ingeschakeld toen Natalee ging ontbreekt.
We kennen de souteneurs gefilmd andere meisjes en 3 kwam tegen Joran zei dat hij drugs en verkracht. Velen geloven de Pimps gefilmd Natalee de nacht ging ontbreekt. Als je dit leest thread zie je Mrpinkproductions begonnen met een server archief op 5-30-05 de nacht Natalee ging ontbreekt. Toeval?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0
We kennen de souteneurs gefilmd andere meisjes en 3 kwam tegen Joran zei dat hij drugs en verkracht. Velen geloven de Pimps gefilmd Natalee de nacht ging ontbreekt. Als je dit leest thread zie je Mrpinkproductions begonnen met een server archief op 5-30-05 de nacht Natalee ging ontbreekt. Toeval?
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2068.0
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
ben ik echt de enige die niks van observer777's post kan maken 
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Als bovenstaande kloptquote:Op woensdag 19 december 2007 18:12 schreef johan555 het volgende:
Ik heb me zo links en rechts eens verdiept in de moord op Natalee,als je geruime tijd speurt kom je veel te weten
Joran had na die avond een blauw oog .
{Joran has a black eye the morning after he kills her. The first story is he got into a bar fight that night{the mothers of two of Joran's classmates who confirmed that Joran did come with a black eye that he apparently incurred b/c of a fight at Carlos and Charlie's the night before.}
Volgens mij rechtstreeks vertaald met Babelfish ofzo.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 17:52 schreef Qwea het volgende:
ben ik echt de enige die niks van observer777's post kan maken
quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 17:52 schreef Qwea het volgende:
ben ik echt de enige die niks van observer777's post kan maken
Het is allemaal heel echt en duizenden uren van onderzoek. Alle feiten! As you know I am using a translator so hopefully you understand me better.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Aaah, goddamn. A translator. I didn't get shit from your posts.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:17 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Het is allemaal heel echt en duizenden uren van onderzoek. Alle feiten! As you know I am using a translator so hopefully you understand me better.
My bad. But how do you know this is real? Did you investigate it yourself? Or am I missing something here?
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kwart, valt, je weetsquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:05 schreef roburt het volgende:
signature: canada...
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Observer777,
Of couse we'll understand, but sometimes it is complicated to read the translations, especially if you do not know too much about this case. Have you heard about the black eye that Joran seems to have had the day after Nathalee's disappearance?
By the way: have you seen the interview with Joran, his parents and PeterR in the show of "Pauw and Witteman" ( links are on this site) and the interaction between Joran and his father?
Of couse we'll understand, but sometimes it is complicated to read the translations, especially if you do not know too much about this case. Have you heard about the black eye that Joran seems to have had the day after Nathalee's disappearance?
By the way: have you seen the interview with Joran, his parents and PeterR in the show of "Pauw and Witteman" ( links are on this site) and the interaction between Joran and his father?
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Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
Superior Court
January, 2007
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
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Beth Holloway Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
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Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh -- oh, it`s a very critical detail. And the night that we arrived on the island -- you know, Jug does not misinterpret a 4:00 AM time pickup to 11:00 PM. I mean, Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.
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Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005
Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.
[/URL]Superior Court - Diario - 02-14-2007
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared. Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn. Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions. (Translation Credit: Diario)
http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/2/14/
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
Superior Court
January, 2007
The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
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Beth Holloway Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
September 19, 2005
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee.
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Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 12, 2005
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Oh -- oh, it`s a very critical detail. And the night that we arrived on the island -- you know, Jug does not misinterpret a 4:00 AM time pickup to 11:00 PM. I mean, Paulus Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up up at 4:00 AM on May the 30th. Then -- we don`t know who they were, but then even as far as June 16 and June 17, Mr. Van Der Sloot was still stating this 4:00 AM pickup. Only until around -- maybe it was when he was picked up or arrested did he change it to 11:00 PM that I had knowledge of.
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Roy Tromp - lead Investigator
Paulus van der Sloot's Interrogator
CBS NEWS
August 5, 2005
Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island. "We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do." Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished. "Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I didn't understand your posts either.. at least, I'm not sure weither I did or not
Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?
Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
Aah, note ; and there was a man with scratches on his arm. He went from aruba to the netherlands. What about him?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:29 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
Observer777,
Of couse we'll understand, but sometimes it is complicated to read the translations, especially if you do not know too much about this case. Have you heard about the black eye that Joran seems to have had the day after Nathalee's disappearance?
By the way: have you seen the interview with Joran, his parents and PeterR in the show of "Pauw and Witteman" ( links are on this site) and the interaction between Joran and his father?
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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I doquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Aaah, goddamn. A translator. I didn't get shit from your posts.
But how do you know this is real? Did you investigate it yourself? Or am I missing something here?
All of this I investigated myself and it is 100% real. I moderate at a board called scaredmonkeys.net and have followed this case since the very beginning. All of this info was brought together by a bunch of us and I promise you it is all fact unless stated otherwise. I just wanted to make sure all of you knew what was going on and theres a ton more. Especially the Fathers contacts,the blood that turned out to be chocoalte,the confession and leading them to the body..etc etc etc. Our news coverage stinks here in the U.S and to get real facts on this case you have to look to the blogs,well the correct blogs. I see you guys have a great blog here also.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
The media is horrible here and the Arubans have spent millions attacking Natalee's family and has extremely expensive attorneys. We have known these facts fopr a long long time and tons more also!!!!!!!! You would be blown away!!!!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:34 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I didn't understand your posts either.. at least, I'm not sure weither I did or not
Like Qwea asked: how do you come up with these 'facts' that are known to you but not to the media?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Don't get me wrong, but scaredmonkeys isn't the most reliable board/source if you ask me.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:39 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I do
About the blood ; You mean the blood that was on the t-shirt from Geoffrey van C?
All these facts that you name, are totally new too me. I never heard from it.
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Guido Wever? He was reported to have scratches on his face!! Witnessed by 5 people at the Excelsior casino where he worked as a intern and also witnessed at his school. He fled Aruba shortly after NH dissapeared,left his brand new white nissan,missed graduation and left his job early.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Aah, note ; and there was a man with scratches on his arm. He went from aruba to the netherlands. What about him?
There are also two witnesses,a teacher and a boy at the school that said Joran had a large bruise on his face the next day as well. When they asked Joran about it,he said he got in a fight 2 days earlier at carlos and charlies.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
I agree with QWEA, this sounds like a terrible conspiracy theory.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:42 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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The media is horrible here and the Arubans have spent millions attacking Natalee's family and has extremely expensive attorneys. We have known these facts fopr a long long time and tons more also!!!!!!!! You would be blown away!!!!
Can you really prove all the facts you told us?
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About Jorans black eye I know. However I suspect it wasn't from a barfightquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:45 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Guido Wever? He was reported to have scratches on his face!! Witnessed by 5 people at the Excelsior casino where he worked as a intern and also witnessed at his school. He fled Aruba shortly after NH dissapeared,left his brand new white nissan,missed graduation and left his job early.
There are also two witnesses,a teacher and a boy at the school that said Joran had a large bruise on his face the next day as well. When they asked Joran about it,he said he got in a fight 2 days earlier at carlos and charlies.
Where does Guido wever live now?
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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:44 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Don't get me wrong, but scaredmonkeys isn't the most reliable board/source if you ask me.
About the blood ; You mean the blood that was on the t-shirt from Geoffrey van C?
All these facts that you name, are totally new too me. I never heard from it.
I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Don't forget but this threat was originally started in brave new world....quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:48 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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I agree with QWEA, this sounds like a terrible conspiracy theory.
Can you really prove all the facts you told us?
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Do you have a reliable source? And then I'm not talking about scaredmonkeys or something. But something from the district attorney, Media on Aruba, Media in Holland,The prosecutor from Aruba, ect.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:51 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.
I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.
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About Jorans black eye I know. However I suspect it wasn't from a barfight
Where does Guido wever live now?
http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/
Yes,I can back up everything I tell you..What did you think of Paul Van Der Sloots two contacts with Natalee and picking her and Joran up at 4am? That is what he told people and was caught on wire taps..It was clearly undertood by the superior court in Aruba. He was telling people that for weeks before he changed his story when he was arrested.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Why is that blood never researched?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:51 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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No, I am talking about the blood in deepaks car that was announced by Prime Minister Oduber,Dept of Justice Rudy Croes,FBI and several police. It was in the headliner of the car,backseat and trunk. A few days later they said it was chocolate and not blood. Then you also have the bloody mattress that within 3 hours they said it was dogs blood,by the way it is fact that Joran killed his own dog and blamed it on someone else..Guess what they found by the bloody mattress? And yes you have the VCB shirt that was suppposed to have DNA evidence on it. I can back everything up with news stories,quotes and interviews and newspaper articles.
I can prove everything I speak of,trust me please! If you want the truth you most definetly need to go back to June and July 2005 because everything since then has been dis information.
I mean, police wants to know everything when someone is missing?
Could this be a terrible mistake of the police and OM Aruba?
Could it be that important prove could meby destroyed in 2005 by Aruba thereself?
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Woonplaats: Den Haagquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:58 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Utrecht
http://wever2.hyves.nl/photos/19453304/0/8kQV/
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Yes,I can back up everything I tell you..What did you think of Paul Van Der Sloots two contacts with Natalee and picking her and Joran up at 4am? That is what he told people and was caught on wire taps..It was clearly undertood by the superior court in Aruba. He was telling people that for weeks before he changed his story when he was arrested.
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Yes of course I do..It was all over the newspapers and spoken on national TV. As a matter of fact Beth Holloway did not know about the blood until the Prime Minister announced it on Aruban TV. It is time consuming getting all the info..But there are tons of sources to back this up,I didn't follow much media in holland in 2005 but there are at least a dozen newspaper articles and TV interviews that talk about the blood in Deepaks vehicle. After they said it was Chocolate it all went away just like his confession on June 10th 2005 that was reported everywhere.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:56 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Do you have a reliable source? And then I'm not talking about scaredmonkeys or something. But something from the district attorney, Media on Aruba, Media in Holland,The prosecutor from Aruba, ect.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Damn, I really have missed something I guessquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:02 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Yes of course I do..It was all over the newspapers and spoken on national TV. As a matter of fact Beth Holloway did not know about the blood until the Prime Minister announced it on Aruban TV. It is time consuming getting all the info..But there are tons of sources to back this up,I didn't follow much media in holland in 2005 but there are at least a dozen newspaper articles and TV interviews that talk about the blood in Deepaks vehicle. After they said it was Chocolate it all went away just like his confession on June 10th 2005 that was reported everywhere.
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Er zal toch nog wel wat van online te vinden zijn ? Ik zou wel graag wat bewijs zien van deze beweringen.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:06 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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Damn, I really have missed something I guess
Zoals je als zei : source ?
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
Indeed a strange story, even stranger that OM Aruba agreed with the fact that they told it
wasnt blood but chocolate, so it has been never researched...
wasnt blood but chocolate, so it has been never researched...
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:58 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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Why is that blood never researched?
I mean, police wants to know everything when someone is missing?
Could this be a terrible mistake of the police and OM Aruba?
Could it be that important prove could meby destroyed in 2005 by Aruba thereself?
Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Show us please.quote:I can prove they framed two innocent black
I would like to believe you but I 've seen no prove untill now.
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What I could find ;quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:12 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Er zal toch nog wel wat van online te vinden zijn ? Ik zou wel graag wat bewijs zien van deze beweringen.
Zoals je als zei : source ?
Vermist meisje op Aruba #4
Search for "bloed"
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Look at the dates and what is said here..They say all 3 had sex with Natalee then dropped her off..That was on June 4th 2005!!
Again this was published on June 7th 2005..Just weird is all
Look at the dates and what is said here..They say all 3 had sex with Natalee then dropped her off..That was on June 4th 2005!!
Again this was published on June 7th 2005..Just weird is all
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
So you're saying the arubian police/government is involved?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.
And these eyewitnesses, are the heard by the police? Did they took a statement?That was indeed very strange. And I think that Paul van der Sloot/ Joran is/has been protected by some "higher force".quote:Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
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Well, that there is a terrible cover up is something i totally agree with you, no doubt about it.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.
Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
Still i wonder, if your case and facts are true, why is Joran held so long in jail, i mean everyone
else isnt hold that long and btw, Joran is Pauls son.
In that case why did they held Joran that long in jail as a crime suspect?
Do you have any theory about that?
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It's just time consuming and I am moderating another blog but I will prove everything to you when I have time,I can easily prove all of this...On June 1st they confirmed JK2 were lying when they reviewed all of the security cameras at the hotel and that Natalee was never dropped ofthere.They still did not arrest jk2 until june 9th even though they knew it was all lies. They said they were watching them..lol..But the chief prosecuter said they would not rush in like cowboys and arrest them,instead she rushed in and arrested two innocent men that had nothing to do with anything on June 5th.. Deputy Chief Dompig's Brother in law(Boeti) said he saw them stealing items out of Natalee's room which led to there arrest. That was a total lie,they were never missing anything. There attorneys are on record stating it was from false information ,the arrests were illegal and they were never told why they were arrested. This same witness Butti(Boeti)Naar later that year said he saw Natalee with cocaine.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:21 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Show us please.
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
It was all for show! And it most definetly a cover up..I still have only showed you a very small bit of everything..I do have a theory but I will tell when I have time..In Jorans book the Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straaten tells Joran..I have known your father a very long time..All you have to do is tell the truth and I will make sure you never go to prison but instead to a mental hospital..Believe me this was all solved back the first week in June 2005.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:29 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
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Well, that there is a terrible cover up is something i totally agree with you, no doubt about it.
Still i wonder, if your case and facts are true, why is Joran held so long in jail, i mean everyone
else isnt hold that long and btw, Joran is Pauls son.
In that case why did they held Joran that long in jail as a crime suspect?
Do you have any theory about that?
They changed witness statements,destroyed others and intimidated people from coming forward..There has to be a bigger issue than just the rape and murder of one girl here. Did you know Paul Van Der Sloot told the headmaster at Jorans school just days after that Natalee hit her head and might have drowned? He told a similar story to friends in America that they were doing drugs,Natalee hit her head and died.
Paul Van Der Sloot is the key here,Many believe he is alot more involved than just helping covering up. Look at his history and who he worked for,he wrote contracts for the Govt,Was a lawyer for them and was a judge in training for three years. For whatever reasons Rudy Croes has been the man behind this cover up since day 1. But why was Pauls best friend allowed to lead this investigation for 5 weeks?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Yes for sure that is what I am saying and everyone else! Not sure what the witnesses have said because the Aruban Govt even after 3 years has released very little. You bet he is being protected!!! I know for sure they changed statements and never took statements from others. Look at what I posted by the Aruban Supreme Court..That is where many of our questions remain. PVDS had 2 contacts with Natalee that day and he picked them both up at 4am! Not my words but from his own mouth,witnesses and wire taps!!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:28 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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So you're saying the arubian police/government is involved?
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That was indeed very strange. And I think that Paul van der Sloot/ Joran is/has been protected by some "higher force".
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
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Okay, I'm not saying I believe in this big cover-up, but still, since there are no other facts proven yet, by Peter or anyone else, it's still an option.
Downside with a cover-up like this is that a lot more people are involved than in the story we heard from Peter. With a cover-up like you describe it would be risky as hell, the more people know, the bigger the risk that someone would come forward.
On the other hand if lot's of people in the Justice system are being corrupt they can't snitch on eachother without going down themselves.
Any idea how 'big' this cover-up would be? Just 4-5 people or like 20 people in different layers of the Justice system (like judges, cops etc)?
Downside with a cover-up like this is that a lot more people are involved than in the story we heard from Peter. With a cover-up like you describe it would be risky as hell, the more people know, the bigger the risk that someone would come forward.
On the other hand if lot's of people in the Justice system are being corrupt they can't snitch on eachother without going down themselves.
Any idea how 'big' this cover-up would be? Just 4-5 people or like 20 people in different layers of the Justice system (like judges, cops etc)?
And what about the theory that holloway was burned in a crematorium (is that the right english word? ) . A friend of paul van der sloot had a crematorium on aruba...
) . A friend of paul van der sloot had a crematorium on aruba...
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zag zo even een stukje van een interview dat de (amerikaanse?) advocaat van Joran had met ABC, daarin meldde hij dat hij wist dat Joran 's nachts geen gebruik gemaakt had van de bewuste telefoon bij het zwembad (en dat daarvoor bewijs is)...
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
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http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
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Jorans black eye was till Johan 555 mentioned it, unknown by probably a lot of people. The black eye makes Jorans weird story about the sudden "death" of Nathalee very strange.quote:[As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!!
Because they haven't enough proof for the other "suspects" too suspect them?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:51 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
I don't know, I'm just saying something
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It was known by me. And I think it is very suspicious, at least.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:54 schreef kinkajoe het volgende:
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Jorans black eye was till Johan 555 mentioned it, unknown by probably a lot of people. The black eye makes Jorans weird story about the sudden "death" of Nathalee very strange.
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I dont think PVDS is that high and mighty.,although he had some connections that payed off big early.There is a bigger picture here..Perhaps Money Laundering or he has major dirt on the Aruban Govt. Joran could be taking the fall for someone else,but I am quite sure others are involved like Guido Wever,Lorenzo,PVDS and Deepak. They have purposely kept everyone out of this except for just Joran to keep them away from exposure. See In Aruba Tourism comes first everything else second. DId you see who Guido's Lawyer was? Gerald Spong!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:51 schreef abcd-tje het volgende:
If this is true that PvdS is that powerfull and mighty.
Well, why is only Joran still the only crime suspect (as Paul is his father though?),
and why Joran spend therefore the most time already in prison as the leading and
only suspect if there are more people involved in Natalee her disseapering?
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Eerst horen van iemand anders die ik wel geloofwaardig vindquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:54 schreef cptmarco het volgende:
zag zo even een stukje van een interview dat de (amerikaanse?) advocaat van Joran had met ABC, daarin meldde hij dat hij wist dat Joran 's nachts geen gebruik gemaakt had van de bewuste telefoon bij het zwembad (en dat daarvoor bewijs is)...
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4237805&affil=wncf
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Hey welcome. That one site kept popping up when I did some searches the past couple of days. Thats a real dedicated group you've got there.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 18:39 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Sorry all,I should have written in english..I have many dutch friends and some write better than I do
Before this I have never really looked into the case, but what I've read so far something is very wrong in Denmark Aruba.Do you know if the house of the VDS's was cleaned or painted or something in the days after the disappearance? I think I've read it somewhere but I cant find any other sources. And there was a moving truck parked next to the house in that period?
Why the cover-up?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 19:14 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Theres a lot more than stinks to high heaven besides the blood in deepaks car..I could fill this whole forum up with the most unbelievable acts you have seen. They took the blood samples and it was tested in holland I am quite sure it was sabotaged before it left on the plane. They have witnesses that said they saw Deepak and boys franticly cleaning that car at 3am the night Natalee went missing in the back of the house.
Ok look at this..The boys were not arrested until june 9th,I can prove they framed two innocent black men who were arrested on june 5th. As you know Peter De Vries found out the search of the house was blocked the day of the search on the 16th as the Judge and a high ranking friend of PVDS answered the door. The police were shocked! And they were only allowed to search the cars and Jorans apt. That house was never searched until june 2007!! Just last month that same judge spoke in Aruban papers and said the commissioner dompig obstructed justice and the prosecuters office never asked to search anything more. The prosecuters office and dompig said they were denied..So who is lying here and why? Why wasnt the house searched when PVDS was arrested a week later for suspicion of kidnapping and murder? Since when do Murder,Rape and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched?
Did you know that Jan Van Der Straaten is best friends of Paul Van Der Sloot? Did you know that Dompig is related to the Kalpoes? I could go on and on..Its a cover up!!
Joran, not knowing he was being filmed, admitted to (in his eyes) his 'best friend', what happend to Natalee that night.
Even tough there still are some pieces of the puzzle missing, like the reason why natalee died so sudden. And the real reason why you would dispose of a dead person when this person dies in your arms.
There has to be some bad consciousness here, and it ain't all feeding the girl high alc. drinks.
But still the most appealing solution to where the body is, is in the ocean.
Joran said so himself. Already from the start he tells Patrick the outlines on hidden camera.
But then again he is also mixing some people and things up, like the name of the person who helped him and some older 25 year old.
Somehow the broadcast yesterday only brings more questioned instaid of answers.
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