NWS Nieuws & Achtergronden
Discussieer hier diepgaander over de actualiteiten.
I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
jij wordt vast een goeie journalist, Mark 
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
That's exactly what happened. He described who he was talking about enough though..I just wished they would have waited just a bit longer and got more info..I'M not so sure where they go from here,It will be hard to get the truth unless someone else speaks up.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:05 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
Whats strange was the press release from the Aruban Prime Minister saying how angry he was at Joran and was killing there country. You would think he would be happy that Joran was confessing,so they could convict and move on
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up 
I mean, damn this case is a huge mediahype. Everybody wants to know what happend with natalee.
How can someone shut his mouth for so long I know I couldn't
I mean, damn this case is a huge mediahype. Everybody wants to know what happend with natalee. How can someone shut his mouth for so long
I know I couldn't
-||||-----||||- Iron and me, we're meant to be -||||-----||||-
But the press release was about the fact Joran claims he lied in the confession. I understand that the prime minister was angry. He never stopped lying. He confesses, and again he said "Hehehe I was lyingquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:16 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
That's exactly what happened. He described who he was talking about enough though..I just wished they would have waited just a bit longer and got more info..I'M not so sure where they go from here,It will be hard to get the truth unless someone else speaks up.
Whats strange was the press release from the Aruban Prime Minister saying how angry he was at Joran and was killing there country. You would think he would be happy that Joran was confessing,so they could convict and move on
"
-||||-----||||- Iron and me, we're meant to be -||||-----||||-
because they are (best)friends?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up
How can someone shut his mouth for so long
"The sailor does not pray for wind, he learns to sail."
People are scared. IMO I don't have positive proof and I dont want to post gruesome images here but others have died in Aruba under very suspicious circumstances. I posted 2 but then there is Pitbull who had his head bashed in,legs cut off and burned and others..They ruled it a suicide by OD..Then there is Brigette Katelaan a reporter for ATV-TeleAruba who was found hung and then her camera man a week later. In talking to this lady's family they are sure she would never kill herself. The Camera man and others who hung themselves appeared in Aruban papers with one hand in there pocket. I think it's a warning sign. I am not saying these are connected to Natalee but people have to live in Aruba and they have families. They do not want people talking about the case at all. It is to protect the precious tourism at all costs.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up
How can someone shut his mouth for so long
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Sue me, but if my best friend killed a person... I would give him upquote:
-||||-----||||- Iron and me, we're meant to be -||||-----||||-
hmm okay. But another question then ;quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:30 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
People are scared. IMO I don't have positive proof and I dont want to post gruesome images here but others have died in Aruba under very suspicious circumstances. I posted 2 but then there is Pitbull who had his head bashed in,legs cut off and burned and others..They ruled it a suicide by OD..Then there is Brigette Katelaan a reporter for ATV-TeleAruba who was found hung and then her camera man a week later. In talking to this lady's family they are sure she would never kill herself. The Camera man and others who hung themselves appeared in Aruban papers with one hand in there pocket. I think it's a warning sign. I am not saying these are connected to Natalee but people have to live in Aruba and they have families. They do not want people talking about the case at all. It is to protect the precious tourism at all costs.
earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog.
Can you show me?Cause that makes me very sad and angry.
Weird though that those people died
-||||-----||||- Iron and me, we're meant to be -||||-----||||-
He did not suspect that Patrick was doing an undercover operation I think. Because he had just told Patrick the helper's name was Daury (=probably a lie) Then Joran went on to tell Patrick about how his father had gotten him a cell phone inside of prison. If Joran had been really suspicious he wouldn't have told incriminating things about his father just a moment later.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:05 schreef Goofup het volgende:
I think in Yoran's 'confession' he already suspected something about that socalled friend who tells us he never wanted to hear any facts before and now he was asking for names and lastnames when he was talking to Yoran.
I think that's the moment Yoran felt he had to lie, again.
Nou als het een duidelijke leugen is helpt hem dat om te beweren dat de rest óók gelogen was. Hij kan er dus een dwaalspoor mee leggen.quote:If Joran had been really suspicious he wouldn't have told incriminating things about his father just a moment later.
Ga fietsen jij !! ikke niet hoor..
you know what else seems weird to me about this 'confession'?
This 'friend' of Yoran presented himself to Peter R.
His reasons? On TV he tells his reasons are that girl. I think all he does this for is money.
Maybe Yoran paid him to 'confess' his 'truth'. Peter R. paid him to let Yoran 'confess' 'the truth' and so he gets double paid and both sides get their goal (at least one really gets it)..
This 'friend' of Yoran presented himself to Peter R.
His reasons? On TV he tells his reasons are that girl. I think all he does this for is money.
Maybe Yoran paid him to 'confess' his 'truth'. Peter R. paid him to let Yoran 'confess' 'the truth' and so he gets double paid and both sides get their goal (at least one really gets it)..
Op dinsdag 17 april 2007 14:13 schreef Gia het volgende over haar kinderen:
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
al zitten die op het vmbo, ze denken in ieder geval logischer dan goofup.
And it that case there is no doubt he is a psychofreak.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:
earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog.
Cause that makes me very sad and angry.
well it is not the first time peter R. tryed to solve something without getting payed why would he do tis for the money then?
Uit het volgende document blijkt dat Joran het niet zo nauw neemt en openstaat voor sex met meerdere mannen en 1 meisje genaamd Karen een prono actrice uit aruba
Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth".
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door johan555 op 04-02-2008 21:57:33 ]
Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth".
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door johan555 op 04-02-2008 21:57:33 ]
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
True, maar ik denk dat je Joran teveel credit geeft in z'n sluwheid. Hij kan haast niet constant bezig zijn geweest met een weldoordachte leugen die mensen op een dwaalspoor moesten brengen. Dat spreekt ook niet uit zijn lichaamstaal. En ook nog stoer doen erbij tegenover Patrick. Nee..voor mij lijkt het gewoon als een in grote lijnen waar verhaal wat hij houdt, maar op bepaalde plekken waar hij niet teveel info over kwijt wil verdraait hij het wat of verzint hij dingetjes.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:42 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
[..]
Nou als het een duidelijke leugen is helpt hem dat om te beweren dat de rest óók gelogen was. Hij kan er dus een dwaalspoor mee leggen.
He killed his own dog with a paintball gun and blamed it on someone else. Later he was forced to admit that he killed his own dog. It's a fact,but hard to prove as it's all blog stuff and I havent seen it in the media except for maybe Peter R reported it on his first show. It was in a Aruban paper but I didnt save the article.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:
[..]
hmm okay. But another question then ;
earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog.
Cause that makes me very sad and angry.
Weird though that those people died
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Fuck, sick bastardquote:To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
-||||-----||||- Iron and me, we're meant to be -||||-----||||-
quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:55 schreef observer777 het volgende:
[..]
He killed his own dog with a paintball gun and blamed it on someone else. Later he was forced to admit that he killed his own dog. It's a fact,but hard to prove as it's all blog stuff and I havent seen it in the media except for maybe Peter R reported it on his first show. It was in a Aruban paper but I didnt save the article.
[ afbeelding ]
[ afbeelding ]
-||||-----||||- Iron and me, we're meant to be -||||-----||||-
