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Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth".
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door johan555 op 04-02-2008 21:57:33 ]
Karen Theresa Paulina – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy. Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.
PROCES-VERBAAL
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni CROES, head-officer and officer-first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned attaced to the robbery project team (Atraco Team) and the latter with the section often occurring crimes district 2, declare the following.
On Friday, June 24th, at approximately 18.40 hours, we, the reporting officers, interrogated/interviewed the suspect:
Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT born in Arnhem, the Netherlands on August 6th 1987, without occupation student (International School of Aruba) and living Montanja 19 on Aruba, for further information.
His statement that was given in Papiamento was translated and transcribed by me, JACOBS, into Dutch and goes as follows.
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make any statement.
I, JACOBS, also informed the suspect that this interview is being taped.
"You are informing me that you have several questions for me and want to hear an answer to those questions. I am prepared to give them.
To your question whether I know a girl named "Karen" and whether I had a sexual relationship with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had a sexual relationship with her but I do not remember the time period. (By Karen we mean the witness "Karen Theresa Paulina MARTINA"; remark JACOBS).
To your question whether I had a sexual relationship with Karen during "Carnaval" this year, I answer you in the affirmative. During the "fakkeloptocht" this year I was dancing in the "Last-Lap". I think it was near the bridge of the "Renaissance Hotel" when I saw Karen. I saw that Karen went to dance with Jaime CAARASQUILLA, nickname "Beto". I suspect that Karen was drinking at that moment in time but I did not see that. After the "fakkeloptocht" "Jaime CARRASQUILLA", "Freddy ZEDAN", "Karen" and myself walked to "Carlos & Charlies". According to me "Koen GOTTENBOS" was also with us when we were walking to Carlos & Charlies. Inside Carlos & Charlies Karen and I walked upstairs and started french kissing. After that Karen and me walked outside and walked to the "Pier" due east of Carlos & Charlies. When we were standing on the "Pier" I asked Karen if she could give me a "blow-job". Karen agreed to this and started sucking my penis. I do not remember if I was standing upright or if I was lying down on the ground when Karen gave me the blow-job. I have to state that I wanted to have sexual relations with Karen but that I did not have a condom on me at that precise moment. After Karen had given me the blow-job Freddy ZEDAN called me on my mobile phone. Freddy told me that they were going to go home and asked me how I would get home. According to me Freddy also told me that he was at that moment in time sitting in the car of "Chato". The name of "Chato" is "Leonardo" but I do not know his last name. According to me Chato is from Mexico. Freddy, Karen and me got a ride from Chato. Chato and Freddy were in the front and Karen and me got into the back. When Karen and me were sitting in the back I think I asked whether I had a sexual relation with her, I answer you the following. I know the girl named "Karen". I do not know Karen's last name. I had Karen give me another blow-job, something that she did then do. Chato saw then that Karen was giving me head in his pick-up. Chato drives a green 4-door pick-up of the Ford make when he brought us three, meaning Freddy, Karen and myself a ride to my house. I do not know the license plate of Chato's pick-up. When we arrived at my appartment the 4 of us went inside the appartment. Chato had a hip flask containing whiskey. Chato and Karen drank from the contents. I have to say that I am not sure any more if "Freddy ZEDAN" or "Fernando VIANA" was in the appartment with us. Karen and I went to lie down on the sofa-bed and had put a blanket over us. Karen and I started fondling and having "foreplay". Chato tried to pull the blanket off of us to see what we were doing. Chato asked me to ask Karen if he and I could have sexual relations with Karen together. On Chato's request I asked Karen if she was willing to have sex with me and Chato together. Karen told me that she did not want to have sex with me and Chato. After that Chato and Freddy left. I do not know where Chato and Freddy went to. Karen and I were on the sofa-bed. We started kissing and I fingered Karen. After that I had taken my clothes off. Karen then took off her clothes. At that point I was told by Karen to put on a condom. I went to my drawer and took out a condom and put it on. After that we had sex with each other. I do not know if Karen bled when I had sex with her. At no time did Karen say to me that she did not want to have sex with me. I can also not tell you anymore what the condition was of Karen when I had sex with her in my appartment. She had been drinking but I also had been drinking. We had also both drank from Chato's hip-flask. I don't remember right know what kind of alcoholic drink was in that hip-flask. After Karen and me had sex I went to the bathroom and threw the condom into the toilet. I have no recollection of what happened after that.
I only had sex with Karen three times. The first time I had sex with Karen was on the beach close to the "Havana Niteclub". I do not remember the date, but it was during a "Moonlite Party". On the day Karen and me had sex the first time we had both had alcoholic drinks but we were not drunk.
About two months ago I had sex with Karen for the last time. This happened in my appartement and on that day Karen stayed the night with me. According to me I had told my mother that Karen would be staying for the night.
To your question whether or not I had sex with a girl named "Stephania", I answer you that I have not.
To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.
To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
This is my statement in accordance with the truth".
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
After the suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read the statement he had given, he stated he would persist in it and signed the statement.
The reporting officers,
JACOBS CROES
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door johan555 op 04-02-2008 21:57:33 ]
Wanneer domme mensen domme dingen beweren, dan moet je ze niet corrigeren, maar glimlachend gelijk geven.
True, maar ik denk dat je Joran teveel credit geeft in z'n sluwheid. Hij kan haast niet constant bezig zijn geweest met een weldoordachte leugen die mensen op een dwaalspoor moesten brengen. Dat spreekt ook niet uit zijn lichaamstaal. En ook nog stoer doen erbij tegenover Patrick. Nee..voor mij lijkt het gewoon als een in grote lijnen waar verhaal wat hij houdt, maar op bepaalde plekken waar hij niet teveel info over kwijt wil verdraait hij het wat of verzint hij dingetjes.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:42 schreef deedeetee het volgende:
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Nou als het een duidelijke leugen is helpt hem dat om te beweren dat de rest óók gelogen was. Hij kan er dus een dwaalspoor mee leggen.
He killed his own dog with a paintball gun and blamed it on someone else. Later he was forced to admit that he killed his own dog. It's a fact,but hard to prove as it's all blog stuff and I havent seen it in the media except for maybe Peter R reported it on his first show. It was in a Aruban paper but I didnt save the article.quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:38 schreef Qwea het volgende:
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hmm okay. But another question then ;
earlier you said that there was proof that Joran killed his dog.Can you show me?
Cause that makes me very sad and angry.
Weird though that those people died
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
Fuck, sick bastardquote:To your question whether I had a relationship with a girl name "Rika", I answer you the following. Rika was my girlfriend but we did not have a sexual relationship with each other. We may have done some french kissing but I did not have sexual relations with her because she is 12 years old. Rika's parents found out about our relationship and that is why we stopped the relationship. I do not know Rika's last name.
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quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:55 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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He killed his own dog with a paintball gun and blamed it on someone else. Later he was forced to admit that he killed his own dog. It's a fact,but hard to prove as it's all blog stuff and I havent seen it in the media except for maybe Peter R reported it on his first show. It was in a Aruban paper but I didnt save the article.
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Natalee Holloway: Earlier Report Possibly More Troubling Now
An earlier report on Joran Van der Sloot could take on new significance with talk of pornographic images and possibly a video involving minors surfacing as regards the self-appointed "Pimps," a seemingly immature and possibly lost and dangerous group of Arubian young men. I must also credit fellow blogger Steve Huff for his earlier report - linked below and through my previous entry.
See here: Apparently, at the same time the 6'4" school athlete was said to be a proficient gambler frequenting the clubs and casinos in Aruba, he was also known to have had a romantic involvement with a 7th grade girl of thirteen until her parents learned of the relationship and made their daughter break it off back in March.
See here for extended report from Steve: I suppose what I'm saying here, and what I have said in other entries about this case is that one thing that is becoming clear is Joran Van Der Sloot wasn't the squeaky clean kid first portrayed to authorities. And if he was being a hands-off gentleman with the 7th grader, why would her parents force a break-up? It bothers me that I happened onto a report of his relationship with this girl of 13 or 14 after having heard the rumor propagated by Geraldo Rivera.
At Steve's suggestion, I did look into the matter and confirmed for myself that Joran Van der Sloot, the athletic, 6' 5" high school senior was involved, apparently to some degree, in a romantic encounter with a girl who, for all intents and purposes looks like a child.
Joran_blurred I've since discussed the involvement with Dr. Andrew Hodges, a licensed Psychiatrist, who did seem to note a troubling pattern in the prime suspect, Joran Van der Sloot. In conversations, it was suggested that he seemed to have a pattern of romantic involvement with mostly island-based, diminutive young woman, suggesting a tendency to need to dominate, or somehow control women in his life.
Such a pattern, suggested Hodges, could fit into a pattern linked with some criminals notable for rape as their crime of primary offense. Experts have long agreed that power and control, as opposed to sex, are predominate themes among rapists - leading to its classification as a crime of violence and not simply sex.
The image of the suspect and high school senior dating such a seemingly young girl, name withheld and identity obscured in picture above with Van der Sloot, always stood in stark contrast to that of Van der Sloot frequenting casinos and spending so much time drinking and gambling and meeting young adult female tourists.
One can only hope there aren't even more sinister revelations to come in this case.
This post is also available at Blogger News Network.
Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 02:20 PM in Natalee Holloway | Permalink
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
if you ask me if they put a little preasure on joran's dad he would talk
try to ask the cia if the would help i heard they are verry good in making people talk...
try to ask the cia if the would help i heard they are verry good in making people talk...
Agreed and I am sure the KLPD has some fine interrogators that would like to talk to him as well. The Arubans didn't want the FBI to help when they really could have used them,unfortunately they won't be asking the CIA for help eitherquote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 22:41 schreef leeeetjuhh het volgende:
if you ask me if they put a little preasure on joran's dad he would talk
try to ask the cia if the would help i heard they are verry good in making people talk...
This is clearly Aruba's problem and they do not want the truth to come out or anyone outside of Aruba meddling in their business.[ Bericht 4% gewijzigd door observer777 op 04-02-2008 23:13:58 ]
"I lied and that's the truth"--Joran Van Der Sloot--
De 'zogenaamde' vriend, die door Joran gebeld was zei, volgens Joran: Ze is niet meer in leven.
Een jongen, een 'mattie' gebruikt, volgens mij, dat soort woorden niet. Die zullen eerder iets zeggen in de trant van: Volgens mij is ze dood. Of: Man die chick is dood.
Daarom denk ik dat de hulp van pa, of van de (als ie inderdaad bestaat) halfbroer kwam.
Lijkt me ook logisch, omdat de halfbroer zelf al een crimineel is, en weet dat je geen schijn van kans hebt als je naar de politie gaat.
En pa weet dat de politie het je heel lastig gaat maken, omdat het om een rijk, Amerikaans meisje gaat.
Dus, dat moet gefixt worden.
En Joran wordt weer beschermd, hoeft zich geen zorgen te maken en kan lekker gaan slapen.
Het lijkt me nu overigens verstandiger voor Joran om gewoon de waarheid te spreken en dan maar de bak in te draaien, omdat ik denk dat er mensen zijn die het niet kunnen verkroppen als hij hier mee weg komt. Hij zal niet meer een normaal leven kunnen leiden. Niet in Nederland, niet in Aruba en al helemaal niet in Amerika.
Een jongen, een 'mattie' gebruikt, volgens mij, dat soort woorden niet. Die zullen eerder iets zeggen in de trant van: Volgens mij is ze dood. Of: Man die chick is dood.
Daarom denk ik dat de hulp van pa, of van de (als ie inderdaad bestaat) halfbroer kwam.
Lijkt me ook logisch, omdat de halfbroer zelf al een crimineel is, en weet dat je geen schijn van kans hebt als je naar de politie gaat.
En pa weet dat de politie het je heel lastig gaat maken, omdat het om een rijk, Amerikaans meisje gaat.
Dus, dat moet gefixt worden.
En Joran wordt weer beschermd, hoeft zich geen zorgen te maken en kan lekker gaan slapen.
Het lijkt me nu overigens verstandiger voor Joran om gewoon de waarheid te spreken en dan maar de bak in te draaien, omdat ik denk dat er mensen zijn die het niet kunnen verkroppen als hij hier mee weg komt. Hij zal niet meer een normaal leven kunnen leiden. Niet in Nederland, niet in Aruba en al helemaal niet in Amerika.
Misschien nog wel in Panama, om maar een dwarsstraat te noemen?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 00:41 schreef Gia het volgende:
Het lijkt me nu overigens verstandiger voor Joran om gewoon de waarheid te spreken en dan maar de bak in te draaien, omdat ik denk dat er mensen zijn die het niet kunnen verkroppen als hij hier mee weg komt. Hij zal niet meer een normaal leven kunnen leiden. Niet in Nederland, niet in Aruba en al helemaal niet in Amerika.
Zonder nog ooit over zijn schouder te hoeven kijken? Geloof je dat zelf?quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 00:47 schreef Polleeder het volgende:
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Misschien nog wel in Panama, om maar een dwarsstraat te noemen?
Durf het idd. niet met zekerheid te zeggen, maar de mens is doorgaans kort van geheugen. Vraag me af welke buitenstaander hem daadwerkelijk om wil brengen over een paar jaar bijv.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 00:49 schreef Gia het volgende:
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Zonder nog ooit over zijn schouder te hoeven kijken? Geloof je dat zelf?
Maar misschien heeft-ie het toch rustiger in Boven-Mongolie?
Well not if he knows what’s good for him. Frisians are not exactly known for their fondness of this particular brand of criminals. There was actually sort of a lynching mob on the streets in Drachten. If they really would have spotted him there.. Run Joran Run!quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:41 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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One thing that was dumb was Joran going to Friesland(Drachten)to hide out..If I was him I would have gone into amsterdam or somewhere and not up north
Just saw the ABC interview with Patrick. I still had some doubts about his motives (I mean this guy comes out of the blue, essentially offering Joran on a silver platter to De Vries), but I must say I'm really impressed with this man. Whatever personal motives its still pretty rare to have someone willing to do something like this. Hope I'm not being naive but he has convinced me. (and that’s pretty rare too
) Gives one back some faith in humanity.
Ik krijg steeds meer het gevoel dat de "bekentenissen" van Joran tegen Patrick met opzet zijn gedaan.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Er staat voor veel meer mensen meer op het spel maar ze laten het zo lijken dat Joran de mastermind is.
Joran spreekt over hogere machten die hem helpen en zijn vader hoort daar zeker bij volgens mij.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Er staat voor veel meer mensen meer op het spel maar ze laten het zo lijken dat Joran de mastermind is.
Joran spreekt over hogere machten die hem helpen en zijn vader hoort daar zeker bij volgens mij.
heb ik ook aan gedacht. dan is hij wel erg berekenend.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 07:37 schreef Nasp het volgende:
Ik krijg steeds meer het gevoel dat de "bekentenissen" van Joran tegen Patrick met opzet zijn gedaan.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Er staat voor veel meer mensen meer op het spel maar ze laten het zo lijken dat Joran de mastermind is.
Joran spreekt over hogere machten die hem helpen en zijn vader hoort daar zeker bij volgens mij.
maar waarom zegt hij dan dat hij niet zeker weet dat ze (spontaan) dood was gegaan. dat is dan niet slim.
nu kan hem nog ten laste worden gelegd dat hij een mogelijk levend persoon heeft gedumpt.
Dostojewski: "Je kunt je niet van je eigen gezond verstand overtuigen door je buurman op te sluiten."
The media hype would be as good a reason as any to keep your mouth shut if you were involved. It would have to be someone who knows, but was in no way involved. I'm not sure there is such a person...?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 21:21 schreef Qwea het volgende:
But I don't get it. If there are indeed more people involved... why doesn't anybody speak up
How can someone shut his mouth for so long
Dat was mijn gedachte ook inderdaad. In deze versie, ook al is ie zo krom als hout, heeft Joran haar niet verkracht of vermoord, het was een "ongeluk". De onlogica waarom hij geen ambulance belde of anders om hulp is gegaan blijft onbeantwoord, maar wellicht gedacht dat dit met een beetje spin wel aan het publiek te verkopen zou zijn.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 07:37 schreef Nasp het volgende:
Ik krijg steeds meer het gevoel dat de "bekentenissen" van Joran tegen Patrick met opzet zijn gedaan.
Wie kan beter dan Joran zelf zijn versie van het verhaal naar buiten brengen?
De versie die hij naar buiten brengt is volgens mij zo mild mogelijk en waar het minste straf op staat.
Dan zou Patrick in het complot moeten zitten imo en dus de vragen, wie is hij en waarom doet hij dit?
Maar noem mij naief maar op het moment geloof ik in die Patrick en geloof ik dat Joran er in is gestonken. Hij heeft nog lang niet de hele waarheid verteld maar kan nu nooit meer volhouden niks met de verdwijning cq. moord te maken te hebben. En waarom zou hij zich in die positie hebben willen plaatsen nu de zaak net van de baan was?
Daar heb je een punt. Maar misschien is de straf nog steeds niet heel hoog als hij daarop wordt berecht.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 07:44 schreef Caesu het volgende:
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heb ik ook aan gedacht. dan is hij wel erg berekenend.
maar waarom zegt hij dan dat hij niet zeker weet dat ze (spontaan) dood was gegaan. dat is dan niet slim.
nu kan hem nog ten laste worden gelegd dat hij een mogelijk levend persoon heeft gedumpt.
Het is sowieso raar dat hij dat lichaam zou dumpen omdat zij een aanval kreeg en dood ging. Als hij niets verkeerd met haar heeft gedaan is er ook geen reden om het lichaam weg te werken. Een ieder normaal mens zou om hulp gaan vragen of de politie bellen.
Ik geloof dat hele verhaal niet dat hij met Natalee naar het strand is gegaan. Hij noemt denk ik het strand omdat dat de moeilijkste plek is om te controleren of dat er iemand is geweest d.m.v. sporen zoeken.
quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 07:56 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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Dat was mijn gedachte ook inderdaad. In deze versie, ook al is ie zo krom als hout, heeft Joran haar niet verkracht of vermoord, het was een "ongeluk". De onlogica waarom hij geen ambulance belde of anders om hulp is gegaan blijft onbeantwoord, maar wellicht gedacht dat dit met een beetje spin wel aan het publiek te verkopen zou zijn.
Dan zou Patrick in het complot moeten zitten imo en dus de vragen, wie is hij en waarom doet hij dit?
Maar noem mij naief maar op het moment geloof ik in die Patrick en geloof ik dat Joran er in is gestonken. Hij heeft nog lang niet de hele waarheid verteld maar kan nu nooit meer volhouden niks met de verdwijning cq. moord te maken te hebben. En waarom zou hij zich in die positie hebben willen plaatsen nu de zaak net van de baan was?
Waarom Patrick het zou doen wie hij is kan ik geen antwoord op geven.
Misschien wisten Joran en vooral de mensen die hem helpen dat op een of andere manier de waarheid aan het licht zou komen. Als hij nu wordt berecht en een lichte straf krijgt hebben veel mensen het gevoel dat de zaak is afgerond en Joran komt ervan af als iemand die uit paniek handelde.
- Joran wil scoren met Nataleequote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 08:16 schreef Nasp het volgende:
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Het is sowieso raar dat hij dat lichaam zou dumpen omdat zij een aanval kreeg en dood ging. Als hij niets verkeerd met haar heeft gedaan is er ook geen reden om het lichaam weg te werken. Een ieder normaal mens zou om hulp gaan vragen of de politie bellen.
- Joren heeft zijn "love potion nr. 9" bij zich en doet dit in het drankje dat hij voor haar haalt (75% alcohol, was sowieso niet te zuipen, ze merkt de GHB niet).
- De drugs begint te werken en de jongens nemen een half bewusteloze Natalee mee. (volgens haar virendinnen was ze plots erg dronken)
- De broers zetten Joran en Natalee af bij het strand
- Natalee is out, Joran moet zich "behelpen" met een zo goed als bewusteloze Natalee
"Ik wilde dat ze mijn pik zoog" versus "Ook al vinden ze mijn sperma in haar"
- Joran stopt zijn penis in de mond van Natalee en bevredigd zichzelf
- Natalee's braakreflex wordt getriggerd en ze geeft over
- Natalee stikt in haar braaksel
- Joran raakt in paniek en belt "Daury"
- Daury = Paulus van der Sloot
- Paulus komt aan en constateert "Ze is overleden"
- Paulus stuurt Joran naar huis met instructies aan een alibi te beginnen
- Paulus heeft het lijk van Natalee laten verdwijnen
Denk persoonlijk dat dit het verhaal is.
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Why is everthing a conspiracy, with you guys?quote:Op maandag 4 februari 2008 20:57 schreef observer777 het volgende:
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Yes,I know..But I havent even given you a theory yet,,Just trying to provide facts. Yes SM has a lot of pop ups
I know Peter didn't say anything about a cover up and it is not suprising because it is huge. He exposed some of it on his first show. I guarentee he knows more about it though. It is never talked about in our media either because everyone is scared of being sued and the reporters are idiots...Joran has powerfull Mobster attorneys from NY that are on every show. The Kalpoes are suing Dr.Phil for 800 million dollars from a law firm based out of chicago. There has also been PI'S,A Forensic person and others that worked for the sloots as well. One has to wonder who is paying for all of this? Is it the Aruban Govt or someone else? Considering all the bad information and lies coming from Aruba I have to assume its the Govt. Just two weeks ago Minister Briesen and Croes brought these two psychics on national TV,Newspapers and Radio and everything they said was a lie. Trying to claim the dad impregnated Natalee,she was a drug addict and she ran away..So much of this is coming out of Aruban reporters that is just makes us all that much more angrier and persistent that the real truth comes out.
.It pretty much started with the assisination of JFK hey? I followed that case throughout the years, and you know something, eventually it turns out that the Warren commission was right all the time; Oswald is the most probable culprit. To me at least. In that light it's no big surprise that our own crimefighter Peter R de Vries himself came, only one year or so ago, with his own version of who did it, in this case. De Vries also is caught by this conspiracy virus, I'm afraid. Claimed to have solved the case; just like he claimed to have solved the case of Natalee Holloway. And that's a laugh.
The consiracy virus is, I believe, a typically American virus. After 9/11 and Alex Jones' loose ends 2nd edition lark this particular state of mind is growing popular in Europe and indeed in Holland as well. Perhaps also because of the new medium of the internet offcourse, every lunatic has his or her (don't rubb out the Maddie conspriracy) say nowadays; and the more insane people are, the more noise they make.
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I´m back.
Persoonlijk denk ik dat Paulus van der Sloot er al bij was bij de seksuele handelingen met Natalee.quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 08:29 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
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- Joran wil scoren met Natalee
- Joren heeft zijn "love potion nr. 9" bij zich en doet dit in het drankje dat hij voor haar haalt (75% proof, was sowieso niet te zuipen, ze merkt de GHB niet).
- De drugs begint te werken en de jongens nemen een half bewustelose Natalee mee. (volgens haar virendinnen was ze plots erg dronken)
- De broers zetten Joran en Natelee af bij het strand
- Natalee is out, Joran moet zich "behelpen" met een zo goed als bewusteloze Natalee
"Ik wilde dat ze mijn pik zoog" versus "Ook al vinden ze mijn sperma in haar"
- Joran stopt zijn penis in de mond van Natalee en bevredigd zichzelf
- Natalee's braakreflex wordt getriggerd en ze geeft over
- Natalee stikt in haar braaksel
- Joran raakt in paniek en belt "Daury"
- Daury = Paulus van der Sloot
- Paulus komt aan en constateerd "Ze is overleden"
- Paulus stuurt Joran naar huis met instructies aan een alibi te beginnen
- Paulus heeft Natalee laten verdwijnen
Denk persoonlijk dat dit het verhaal is.
En niet op het strand maar misschien in het huis van v/d Sloot of bij iemand anders.
Heb het idee dat Joran als "bait" werd gebruikt om met meisjes in contact te komen in het casino.
Op een screenshot van de bewakingscamera in het casino die hier was gepost is ook te zien dat P v/d Sloot contact heeft met Natalee.
Ik vraag me af waarom de beelden van het verlaten van het casino niet naar buiten worden gebracht.
Dan is te zien of P v/d Sloot eerder wegging of met Joran tegelijk.
In het verhaal van P v/d Sloot zegt hij dat hij eerder weg was gegaan en Joran achterbleef met Natalee en aanhang.
Maarja dit is maar speculatie.
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Oh, please man, perhaps you should tell obeserver something about your believe in the zionist conspriracy...quote:Op dinsdag 5 februari 2008 08:37 schreef NorthernStar het volgende:
@observer: please ignore Ryan3
I´m back.
