Mogelijk Turkse inval in Noord-Irak #2

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:06 schreef Devrim_ het volgende:

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:06 schreef TheMagnificent het volgende:

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Dit?...

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:02 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
ik moet wel zeggen dat ik steeds meer zin krijg in een istanboelse iskender.

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:08 schreef Devrim_ het volgende:

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Emrah knijpt in je ziel

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:10 schreef TheMagnificent het volgende:

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''Bizim hiç paramiz olmadi abla''...

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:16 schreef Emel het volgende:
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hoe heet hij nou?

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:17 schreef TheMagnificent het volgende:

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hahaha... wtf...

hoe heb je die gevonden...

hij pestte yumurcak altijd (of een ander kind)...

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:17 schreef Devrim_ het volgende:

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Ik zou het niet weten..naja..Ik ga slapen
Trusten allemaal

_{Ik ben die ata demirer aan het uploaded trouwens..Ik geef morgen wel link}

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:18 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Jij zegt het.

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:19 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Masa al-noer.

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:18 schreef TheMagnificent het volgende:

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Welterusten...

Iyi geceler...

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:23 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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wat jij zegt

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:24 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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arabic

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:26 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Ja, een van de 114

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Op woensdag 6 juni 2007 23:28 schreef Triggershot het volgende:

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Zou je denken?

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Turkey imposes three-month martial law on its border region with Iraq, closes region’s airspace to civilian flights, DEBKAfile’s military sources report

June 7, 2007, 3:59 PM (GMT+02:00)

The announcement appeared Thursday, June 7, on the Turkish General Command’s Web site and mentioned three zones Siirt, Sirnak, where Turkish forces fighting Kurdish PKK rebels are concentrated, and Hakkari.

It followed the outbreak of fierce battles between Turkish army and Kurdish PKK rebels on both sides of Turkish-Iraqi border. A Turkish Black Hawk shot down over Iraq and several tanks hit. Heavy casualties are reported on both sides.

The PKK Kurdish Workers Party turns out to have been ready for the major Turkish operation, well-armed with anti-tank and shoulder-borne missiles for shooting down Turkish warplanes and helicopters. Despite Ankara’s blackout on the scale of operation against the Kurdish rebels on both sides of the border and the scope of the Turkish incursion of Iraq, DEBKAfile’s military sources report the situation as of Thursday, June 7:

PKK bands, who stole earlier into southeastern Turkey from Iraq and locally, are hitting Turkish concentrations behind the lines and impeding their thrust into Iraqi Kurdistan to destroy rebel hideouts. The Turkish army is therefore fighting on two fronts: in the southeastern Turkish Gabar, Cudi and Bakok mountains and River Cehennem, as well as in northern Iraq.

DEBKAfile’s military sources reported Wednesday that the several thousand troops which entered N. Iraq were only the first wave of the Turkish invasion, with more to come. US State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the US ambassador to Ankara had met with the Turkish General Staff, which confirmed that the initial reports of the invasion were not accurate. Later reports spoke of a “cross-border” raid.

Our military sources estimate that some 15,000 rebel Kurdish Workers Party, PKK, are holed up in Iraqi Kurdistan. To destroy their bases would require many more than the few thousand Turkish troops and longer than a cross-border raid admitted by Ankara – especially if the incursion sparked Iraqi Kurdish resistance as has been threatened.

An expert on Turkey at the Washington Institute for Near East policy, Soner Cagaptay, is quoted by the New York Sun as estimating there are now 250,000 soldiers massed at the Qandil mountain range on the border with northern Iraq, including heavy artillery and tanks. An Iraqi official cited 100,000. DEBKAfile’s military experts estimate 80-90,000.

The Turkish news agency Cehan reported Wednesday that three F-16 Falcon fighter bombers had carried out bombing raids on positions of the PKK in northern Iraq. Artillery deployed at the border with Iraq had fired at “pinpointed targets.”

On June 2, DEBKAfile reported US troops had withdrawn from northern Iraq and passed responsibility for the region’s security to the Iraqi Kurdish peshmerga. This followed an urgent message Iraqi Kurdistan’s president, Massoud Barzani, sent to Ankara by a personal emissary, Safin Dizai, warning that Turkish tanks would not be allowed to cross into northern Iraq. The Kurdish peshmerga would repel them. “The people of Kurdistan,“ said the messenger, “would not stand by as spectators if Turkish tanks and panzers entered Kirkuk.”

Monday, Kurdish PKK rebels killed at least 8 soldiers, wounding 6, in a suicide attack on an E. Turkish checkpoint at Tunceli.

After the attack, Turkish foreign minister Abdullah Gulf defended his country’s right to drive into neighboring Iraq to destroy rebel bases.

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Iraqi Kurds: Turkey shells across border

By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer Fri Jun 8, 3:43 PM ET

ISTANBUL, Turkey - Turkish artillery shelled suspected positions of Kurdish rebels based across the border in northern
Iraq on Friday, according to reports. Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice warned Turkey that it risked expanding regional tensions with any "robust" move of troops into Iraq.

Turkey has been building up its forces along the border with Iraq, and its leaders are debating whether to stage a major incursion to pursue Kurdish rebels from Turkey who rest, train and resupply at bases in Iraq. Such an operation could ignite a wider conflict involving Iraqi Kurds, and draw in its
NATO ally, the United States.

Rice, speaking in New York to a panel of journalists and editors from The Associated Press, said it's "not good for anybody for a robust move across the border." She described it as "not good for Iraq and not good for Turkey."

The statement by Rice suggested Washington has acknowledged that Turkey might conduct limited incursions across the rugged frontier against the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party, also known as PKK.

Iran has also clashed with Iranian Kurd fighters who have bases in remote, mountainous areas of northern Iraq, and Iranian forces reportedly participated in the overnight shelling.

Tension and violence involving Kurds, who lack a nation-state but have long sought autonomy, have ebbed and surged in the past century in Turkey,
Syria, Iran and Iraq. In Turkey, Kurds make up about 20 percent of the country's population of more than 70 million.

The Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, or PUK, the party of Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, reported the overnight Turkish and Iranian shelling on its Web site. Turkish military authorities at the General Staff in Ankara were not immediately available for comment.

Iranian officials in Tehran could not be reached for comment late Friday. Iranian media contained no reports on any shelling, and usually wait several days to report such incidents.

The PUK said artillery shells overnight hit some areas in the Sidikan area in Irbil province, where the borders of Turkey, Iran and Iraq converge, and that nine villages were affected. It was unclear whether there was any degree of coordination among Turkish and Iranian gunners.

"Huge damage was inflicted on the area," the PUK said, citing what it described as an unidentified "source" in the area. "The source said that residents have left their houses, fearing for their lives."

Lt. Ahmed Karim of the Iraqi border guards force told the AP that seven Turkish shells landed on a forest near Sakta village in the Batous area, but no casualties were reported.

Belgium-based Firat, a pro-Kurdish news agency that Turkey says is a rebel mouthpiece, said Turkish forces shelled areas in Iraq for three hours beginning at 11 p.m. Thursday. It said there were no reports of casualties.

On Friday, Turkey's military declared its "unshakable determination" to defeat Kurdish rebels, and a fourth soldier died of injuries from a roadside bomb in a new Turkish security zone north of the Iraq border. The bombing Thursday was blamed on Kurdish separatists.

On Wednesday, Turkish security officials and an Iraqi Kurdish official said Turkish soldiers had crossed into Iraq in pursuit of rebels based there. Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul denied such a raid took place.

Turkish forces occasionally have pursued Kurdish rebels just across the border, but rarely announce the operations.

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Op zaterdag 9 juni 2007 23:18 schreef Devrim_ het volgende:

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Het Iraakse ministerie heeft helemaal niks te eisen

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Op zondag 10 juni 2007 00:14 schreef Burakius het volgende:
Bij nader inzien ben ik tegen een inval. We spelen de seculiristen zo de politiek in hun hand. Verder denk ik dat de PKK helemaal niet zo groots is als dat wordt beweerd.

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Op zondag 10 juni 2007 00:15 schreef Emel het volgende:

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eerste Turk die tegen een inval is

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Op zondag 10 juni 2007 00:19 schreef Burakius het volgende:

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Denk meerendeel van de Turken tegen. De süleymancilar, de nurculur, tarikatcilar, hizmetciler(fetullah) en eigenlijk pretty much elke moslim organisatie. Verder scheelt het de ene helft van de Turken geen ruk en gaat men mee op de brainwashende nieuwsflitsen.

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Op zondag 10 juni 2007 00:21 schreef Emel het volgende:

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hmm ik heb mijn vraagtekens hierbij. Genoeg Turken die niet tegen zijn, waaronder ik.