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Bush verwerpt kritiek Irak-beleid
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` De Amerikaanse president Bush legt
kritiek van vooraanstaande leden van de
Republikeinse partij op zijn beleid
naast zich neer.Hij is niet van plan op
korte termijn de militaire strategie in
Irak aan te passen.
Dat zei Bush in een toespraak in Ohio.
Hij reageerde op uitlatingen van onder
anderen de Republikeinse senator Lugar,
die vindt dat de Amerikaanse troepen
uit Irak moeten worden teruggehaald.
Bush zei dat de 28.000 extra militairen
die onlangs naar Irak zijn gestuurd de
tijd moeten krijgen om de rust in het
land te herstellen."Eigenlijk zijn we
nog maar net begonnen",zei hij.
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quote:Koerden ruziën over islam in nieuwe grondwet
Mohammed A. Salih
ARBIL, 5 juli 2007 (IPS) - De Koerden in Noord-Irak zijn het niet eens over de rol die de islam in een nieuwe grondwet moet krijgen. De Iraakse grondwet erkent de islam als officiële godsdienst en als belangrijke bron van wetgeving. Niet alle Koerden willen de islam diezelfde prominente rol geven in hun grondwet.
Seculiere Koerden willen een duidelijke scheiding van religie en staat, terwijl de islamisten erop staan dat de islam op zijn minst “een belangrijke bron voor wetgeving” is, zoniet “de belangrijkste”.
Koerden voeren al zestien jaar een eigen beleid, maar zonder grondwet. De onderlinge verdeeldheid komt boven nu er plannen zijn om een eigen grondwet in het leven te roepen. Artikel 7 van het ontwerp legt de nadruk op de islamitische identiteit van de meeste Koerden en erkent “de principes van de islamitische sharia als een van de bronnen van wetgeving.”
Seculiere Koerden willen dat de verwijzing naar de islam en de “islamitische identiteit” van de Koerden geschrapt wordt, omdat de rechten van bepaalde groeperingen en religieuze minderheden, zoals christenen en Yezidi’s, daardoor in het geding kunnen komen. Yezidi's zijn aanhangers van een oud Koerdisch geloof met wortels in de religies van het oude Perzië en de Arabische traditie.
“Vooral vrouwen zullen de negatieve gevolgen ondervinden van een religieus geïnspireerde grondwet”, zegt Sozan Shabab, een vrouwelijk parlementslid uit Arbil. “Hun rechten worden geschonden als het gaat om bijvoorbeeld scheidingen, erfenissen en getuigenissen.” Shabab heeft samen met andere tegenstanders meer dan 4.000 handtekeningen verzameld voor het schrappen van artikel 7.
De islamitische wetgeving bepaalt dat een vrouw van een erfenis maar de helft krijgt van wat een man krijgt. Bij rechtszaken zijn getuigenissen van twee vrouwen nodig om een verklaring hetzelfde gewicht te geven als die van een man.
Een eerdere versie van de grondwet, die 160 artikelen omvatte, werd in september vrijgegeven. Het Koerdische parlement ontving vervolgens meer dan 10.000 voorstellen om de ontwerpgrondwet te amenderen. Na goedkeuring door de regionale parlementen, wordt over het ontwerp een referendum gehouden in de provincies Arbil, Sulaimaniya en Dohuk. Naar verwachting zal dit op zijn vroegst volgend jaar gebeuren.
Twee belangrijke Koerdische partijen, de Patriottische Unie van Koerdistan (PUK) en de Koerdische Democratische Partij (KDP) zeggen voor een seculiere grondwet te zijn. Tijdens het proces rond een nieuwe Iraakse grondwet, gaven ze echter toe aan eisen van sjiitische partijen die wel een rol voor de islam wilden.
Dat maakt een eigen karakter van de Koerdische grondwet moeilijker, aangezien de Iraakse grondwet stelt dat regionale wetten niet in tegenspraak mogen zijn met de nationale wet. Koerdistan is momenteel de enige autonome regio binnen het land.
IPS(JS, MC)
quote:Crushing Iraq's human mosaic
By Patrick Jackson
BBC News
Iraq's minorities are suffering a persecution at times verging on genocide, a campaigning Iraqi MP has told the BBC News website.
Caught in a triangle of religious, ethnic and criminal violence, communities which once made up as much as 14% of the country's population get little state protection, said Hunain Qaddo, chairman of the Iraqi Minorities Council, a Baghdad-based non-governmental organisation.
The marketplace bomb attack on a Shia Turkmen village near Kirkuk on 7 July marked a new spiral of horror, according to Dr Qaddo, who believes 210 civilians, mostly women and children, died and about 400 were injured. Police reported 130 deaths at the time.
He says that his own community, the Shabaks of the Nineveh Plains, face oblivion as a people, targeted physically by al-Qaeda militants because they are mainly Shia, and politically by Kurdish separatists with claims on their land.
Dr Qaddo is in London as part of a campaign by the UK-based advocacy group Minority Rights Group International to raise awareness of the crisis gripping Iraq's lesser-known peoples while the big three - the Shia and Sunni Arabs and the Kurds - pursue their own interests.
Iraq's minorities range from large communities like Turkmens and Christians to small groups of Armenians, many of them descended from refugees from the Ottoman Empire nearly a century ago, and Palestinians given sanctuary by Saddam Hussein.
Between Arab and Kurd
The problems of the Shabaks, a community of up to 400,000 with their own language and cultural traditions, are rarely reported by foreign media, in contrast to those of Iraqi Christians, for example.
COMMUNITIES AT RISK
"They have no communities in Western countries," Dr Qaddo points out.
Some 1,000 Shabak civilians, he says, have been killed in the Mosul area since the 2003 invasion in terrifying attacks, including beheadings, by Sunni Arab militants.
A further 4,000 Shabaks have been driven out of their homes, adds the MP, whose own house was burnt down in the city.
And Shabaks, whom Saddam once attempted to "arabise", are also under pressure from Kurdish political parties seeking to "kurdify" them in a drive to assert wider control over the ethnically divided north.
"They are really facing a genocide," says Dr Qaddo.
It is hard to assess the scale of the problems facing the Shabaks and other ethnic minorities independently during the current conflict in Iraq, Charles Tripp of the London School of Oriental and African Studies points out.
Estimates for population size, he told the BBC News website, are often exaggerated in a country where parliamentary seats, resources and recognition are based on a community's percentage of the population.
Prize targets
Nonetheless, the number of minority group members among the 2m refugees from Iraq is believed to be disproportionately high.
Mandaeans who fled to Syria told the BBC earlier this year harrowing stories of forced conversion, rape and murder by Islamists.
A Minority Rights Group International report published in February notes that Mandaeans, who follow a religion which pre-dates both Islam and Christianity, are also targeted by criminals because they traditionally work as goldsmiths and jewellers.
They have often been kidnapped for ransom in Baghdad and the south of Iraq, says Hunain Qaddo.
Christians have found themselves in a similar dilemma: targeted by Sunni extremists because of their religion and by kidnappers - who are often Shia Arab militants or rogue members of the security forces - because of their wealth.
The common problem of most of Iraq's minorities, says Dr Qaddo, is that they lack any militias of their own to protect them.
Iraq's loss
Iraqi police are too weak or corrupt to help, he adds, while the US-led coalition, fighting insurgents and seeking good relations with the main communities, offers no special protection for minorities.
The chairman of the Iraqi Minorities Council accepts that minorities always suffer during a civil conflict and he is not advocating safe havens for minorities or calling on other countries to take in more refugees.
Instead, he wants Western states involved in Iraq to do more to help train up the new Iraqi army so that it can restore the rule of law across the country, put pressure on the Kurds to respect minority rights, and back the creation of a defence force recruited from the minorities in the north.
"That would be the best solution for all Iraqis including the refugees, many of whom are willing to return if security is established," he says.
"I feel very sad when I hear that Christians or other minorities are leaving Iraq because we are going to lose the value and the culture of these people who have enriched our society through their hard work and their skill."
quote:Op woensdag 11 juli 2007 16:42 schreef buachaille het volgende:
De laatste bisschop (als ik het woord Vicar tenminste goed vertaal) van de enige Anglicaanse kerk in Irak moet het land verlaten vanwege serieuze bedreigingen: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6291168.stm
In hoog tempo ruimt de aggressieve islam andersgelovige gemeenschappen op in het midden oosten. Het wordt tijd dat we dit onderkennen en de opmars van deze ziekmakende sekte in het westen tegengaan.
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http://iwpr.net/?p=icr&s=f&o=336824&apc_state=henpicrquote:Violence Causes Gender Role Swap
Arab
In a society where men are the traditional breadwinners, women are increasingly forced to take on that role.
By an IWPR contributor in Baghdad (ICR No. 226, 05-July-07)
The violence in Baghdad has forced some Iraqi families to shift gender roles, as men are stuck at home while women bear increasing responsibilities.
Because many men in Baghdad are now afraid to go out to work or even to leave the house, women are earning the money, doing the shopping and handling the bills – duties that were traditionally carried out by men.
Men say they feel trapped at home, while women say they are left with too much work.
Dhiya Salman, 36, has not gone more than 100 metres from his house in six months because an armed militia is in control in the neighbourhood.
A former army sergeant, Salman became a taxi driver after Saddam Hussein’s regime fell in 2003. Although he is Sunni, he used to feel comfortable driving into Shia-dominated parts of Baghdad such as Shuala and Sadr City. That changed when the bombing of the Samarra shrine bombing in February 2006 led to an explosion of fighting between Sunni and Shia militias.
"I'm fed up because I used to go out all the time, and now I spend all day at home," he said. "My elderly mother is taking care of everything."
The family opened a small shop selling household goods outside their home. Salman and his brothers work at the store, but his 55-year-old mother has to shop for the supplies. Salman's mother complains that she is tired of taking care of the house and buying things for the shop, but she refuses to let her sons go to the market for fear that they will be kidnapped or killed.
Baghdad residents say the threat against men has increased since last year’s attack on Samarra.
A 2006 study published in the British medical journal The Lancet found that men accounted for 91 per cent of the 302 violence-related deaths that researchers looked at from May to July that year.
Many people believe that women are shielded from targeted sectarian attacks. Several Baghdad residents told IWPR that it was extremely unusual for women to be killed simply because their identification card reveals them to be of the “wrong” sect.
Saif Ali, 35, a pastry shop owner in the capital's al-Bayya district, said women are rarely targeted in his area even if their identity is plainly visible because they are dressed in Sunni or Shia style. He believes women have some protection because it is men who define a family's religious affiliation.
"Men always decide the beliefs of their sons, who naturally follow their faith," he said.
Some men have given their wives or female relatives power of attorney to avoid the violence. Alia Muhsin, 45, picks up her husband's pension at an office on Haifa Street. "Many kidnappings and killings based on IDs have happened there," she explained.
The process usually takes a long time, Muhsin said, particularly because her husband is not present in person at the office.
"But I thank God that my husband is safe," she said.
For many men in Baghdad who are relegated to their homes, the inability to provide for their families or go out of the house is a demeaning experience.
Rabiha al-Azawi, a psychology professor at the University of Mustansiriyah in Baghdad, expressed concern that family breakups and domestic violence were on the increase in homes where the power balance has shifted.
"We live in an Oriental society where a man who doesn’t work is not deserving of respect," she said.
Thamir Hassan, 55, is a resident of Baghdad's Jihad neighbourhood. He quit his job because of safety concerns, and his wife, a teacher, became the sole breadwinner.
Hassan said he was depressed and no longer had authority over his children, who turned to their mother instead.
"It’s an early death, because I feel useless at home," he said. "I don't know what [the children] are doing, and their mother tries to hide their secrets so that I won't worry."
Dawood al-Jubori, 58, is a retired man living a similarly restricted life in Baghdad's al-Elam district. He has to rely on his wife to shop and handle the household bills, which are often paid at ministries.
"It is difficult to have the woman doing everything, but my three sons and I have no other choice," he said. "I want things to get back to normal."
Via bieslogquote:zaterdag 14 juli 2007 15:47
Dit is de oorlog in Irak
Een waarschuwing vooraf: de beelden van Guardianfotograaf en filmmaker Sean Smith van de oorlog in Irak vallen in de categorie 'heftig zo niet gruwelijk'.
Maar om te begrijpen waarom de Amerikaanse soldaten uitgeput en gedemoraliseerd zijn (en daar zo snel mogelijk weg moeten), is de film onontbeerlijk.
Sean Smith: Inside the surge
Als je net 6 collega's levend ziet verbranden, is de reactie van de soldaten natuurlijk niet al te vriendelijk.quote:Op zaterdag 14 juli 2007 18:02 schreef Monidique het volgende:
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Die huiszoeking maakt duidelijk dat ze nooit zullen winnen, de Amerikanen.
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quote:'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'
Interviews with US veterans show for the first time the pattern of brutality in Iraq By Leonard Doyle in Washington
Published: 12 July 2007
It is an axiom of American political life that the actions of the US military are beyond criticism. Democrats and Republicans praise the men and women in uniform at every turn. Apart from the odd bad apple at Abu Ghraib, the US military in Iraq is deemed to be doing a heroic job under trying circumstances.
That perception will take a severe knock today with the publication in The Nation magazine of a series of in-depth interviews with 50 combat veterans of the Iraq war from across the US. In the interviews, veterans have described acts of violence in which US forces have abused or killed Iraqi men, women and children with impunity.
The report steers clear of widely reported atrocities, such as the massacre in Haditha in 2005, but instead unearths a pattern of human rights abuses. "It's not individual atrocity," Specialist Garett Reppenhagen, a sniper from the 263rd Armour Battalion, said. "It's the fact that the entire war is an atrocity."
A number of the troops have returned home bearing mental and physical scars from fighting a war in an environment in which the insurgents are supported by the population. Many of those interviewed have come to oppose the US military presence in Iraq, joining the groundswell of public opinion across the US that views the war as futile.
This view is echoed in Washington, where increasing numbers of Democrats and Republicans are openly calling for an early withdrawal from Iraq. And the Iraq quagmire has pushed President George Bush's poll ratings to an all-time low.
Journalists and human rights groups have published numerous reports drawing attention to the killing of Iraqi civilians by US forces. The Nation's investigation presents for the first time named military witnesses who back those assertions. Some participated themselves.
Through a combination of gung-ho recklessness and criminal behaviour born of panic, a narrative emerges of an army that frequently commits acts of cold-blooded violence. A number of interviewees revealed that the military will attempt to frame innocent bystanders as insurgents, often after panicked American troops have fired into groups of unarmed Iraqis. The veterans said the troops involved would round up any survivors and accuse them of being in the resistance while planting Kalashnikov AK47 rifles beside corpses to make it appear that they had died in combat.
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"It would always be an AK because they have so many of these lying around," said Joe Hatcher, 26, a scout with the 4th Calvary Regiment. He revealed the army also planted 9mm handguns and shovels to make it look like the civilians were shot while digging a hole for a roadside bomb.
quote:"Every good cop carries a throwaway," Hatcher said of weapons planted on innocent victims in incidents that occurred while he was stationed between Tikrit and Samarra, from February 2004 to March 2005. Any survivors were sent to jail for interrogation.
quote:There were also deaths caused by the reckless behaviour of military convoys. Sgt Kelly Dougherty of the Colorado National Guard described a hit-and-run in which a military convoy ran over a 10-year-old boy and his three donkeys, killing them all. "Judging by the skid marks, they hardly even slowed down. But, I mean... your order is that you never stop."
The worst abuses seem to have been during raids on private homes when soldiers were hunting insurgents. Thousands of such raids have taken place, usually at dead of night. The veterans point out that most are futile and serve only to terrify the civilians, while generating sympathy for the resistance.
quote:Sgt John Bruhns, 29, of the 3rd Brigade, 1st Armoured Division, described a typical raid. "You want to catch them off guard," he explained. "You want to catch them in their sleep ... You grab the man of the house. You rip him out of bed in front of his wife. You put him up against the wall... Then you go into a room and you tear the room to shreds. You'll ask 'Do you have any weapons? Do you have any anti-US propaganda?'
"Normally they'll say no, because that's normally the truth," Sgt Bruhns said. "So you'll take his sofa cushions and dump them. You'll open up his closet and you'll throw all the clothes on the floor and basically leave his house looking like a hurricane just hit it." And at the end, if the soldiers don't find anything, they depart with a "Sorry to disturb you. Have a nice evening".
quote:Sgt Dougherty described her squad leader shooting an Iraqi civilian in the back in 2003. "The mentality of my squad leader was like, 'Oh, we have to kill them over here so I don't have to kill them back in Colorado'," she said. "He just seemed to view every Iraqi as a potential terrorist."
'It would always happen. We always got the wrong house...'
"People would make jokes about it, even before we'd go into a raid, like, 'Oh fuck, we're gonna get the wrong house'. Cause it would always happen. We always got the wrong house."
quote:Sergeant Jesus Bocanegra, 25, of Weslaco, Texas 4th Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour that began in March 2003
"I had to go tell this woman that her husband was actually dead. We gave her money, we gave her, like, 10 crates of water, we gave the kids, I remember, maybe it was soccer balls and toys. We just didn't really know what else to do."
quote:Lieutenant Jonathan Morgenstein, 35, of Arlington, Virginia, Marine Corps civil affairs unit. In Ramadi from August 2004 to March 2005
"We were approaching this one house... and we're approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, cause it's doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it... So I see this dog - I'm a huge animal lover... this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he's running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, what the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I'm at a loss for words."
quote:Specialist Philip Chrystal, 23, of Reno, 3rd Battalion, 116th Cavalry Brigade. In Kirkuk and Hawija on 11-month tour beginning November 2004
"I'll tell you the point where I really turned... [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little two-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs and she has a bullet through her leg... An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me... like asking me why. You know, 'Why do I have a bullet in my leg?'... I was just like, 'This is, this is it. This is ridiculous'."
quote:Specialist Michael Harmon, 24, of Brooklyn, 167th Armour Regiment, 4th Infantry Division. In Al-Rashidiya on 13-month tour beginning in April 2003
"I open a bag and I'm trying to get bandages out and the guys in the guard tower are yelling at me, 'Get that fuck haji out of here,'... our doctor rolls up in an ambulance and from 30 to 40 meters away looks out and says, shakes his head and says, 'You know, he looks fine, he's gonna be all right,' and walks back... kind of like, 'Get your ass over here and drive me back up to the clinic'. So I'm standing there, and the whole time both this doctor and the guards are yelling at me, you know, to get rid of this guy."
quote:Specialist Patrick Resta, 29, from Philadelphia, 252nd Armour, 1st Infantry Division. In Jalula for nine months beginning March 2004
'Every person opened fire on this kid, using the biggest weapons we could find...'
"Here's some guy, some 14-year-old kid with an AK47, decides he's going to start shooting at this convoy. It was the most obscene thing you've ever seen. Every person got out and opened fire on this kid. Using the biggest weapons we could find, we ripped him to shreds..."
quote:Sergeant Patrick Campbell, 29, of Camarillo, California, 256th Infantry Brigade. In Abu Gharth for 11 months beginning November 2004
"Cover your own butt was the first rule of engagement. Someone could look at me the wrong way and I could claim my safety was in threat."
quote:Lieutenant Brady Van Engelen, 26, of Washington DC, 1st Armoured Division. Eight-month tour of Baghdad beginning Sept 2003
"I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, 'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'... [Only when we got home] in... meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then."
quote:Specialist Jeff Englehart, 26, of Grand Junction, Colorado, 3rd Brigade, 1st Infantry. In Baquba for a year beginning February 2004
"[The photo] was very graphic... They open the body bags of these prisoners that were shot in the head and [one soldier has] got a spoon. He's reaching in to scoop out some of his brain, looking at the camera and smiling."
quote:Specialist Aidan Delgado, 25, of Sarasota, Florida, 320th Military Police Company. Deployed to Talil air base for one year beginning April 2003
"The car was approaching what was in my opinion a very poorly marked checkpoint... and probably didn't even see the soldiers... The guys got spooked and decided it was a possible threat, so they shot up the car. And they [the bodies] literally sat in the car for the next three days while we drove by them.
quote:Sergeant Dustin Flatt, 33, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. One-year from February 2004
"The frustration that resulted from our inability to get back at those who were attacking us led to tactics that seemed designed simply to punish the local population..."
quote:Sergeant Camilo Mejía, 31, from Miami, National Guardsman, 1-124 Infantry Battalion, 53rd Infantry Brigade. Six-month tour beginning April 2003
"I just remember thinking, 'I just brought terror to someone under the American flag'."
quote:Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour beginning February 2004
"A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that if they don't speak English and they have darker skin, they're not as human as us, so we can do what we want."
quote:Specialist Josh Middleton, 23, of New York City, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Airborne Division. Four-month tour in Baghdad and Mosul beginning December 2004
"I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with, and everybody else be damned."
Linkquote:Sergeant Ben Flanders, 28, National Guardsman from Concord, New Hampshire, 172nd Mountain Infantry. In Balad for 11 months beginning March 2004
The Other War: Iraq Vets Bear Witness, by Chris Hedges and Laila al-Arian, appears in the 30 July issue of The Nation
Zeer indrukwekkend. Diep respect voor de wat de Amerikaanse soldaten daar doen en hoe ze omgaan met de situatie.quote:
Maar dit laat wel weer goed zien dat het echt ''poken in het vuur'' is.quote:Op zondag 15 juli 2007 10:54 schreef buachaille het volgende:
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Zeer indrukwekkend. Diep respect voor de wat de Amerikaanse soldaten daar doen en hoe ze omgaan met de situatie.
Tevens 'gevaarlijk' filmmateriaal in de handen van een demagoog zoals de Bie. Gelukkig houdt hij het fatsoen dit keer. Eigenlijk zou dit filmpje op de FP moeten staan.
Maar verder diep respect hoor, hoe de amerikanen omgaan met de situatie.quote:Op zondag 15 juli 2007 23:45 schreef Aasgier het volgende:
Maar dit laat wel weer goed zien dat het echt ''poken in het vuur'' is.
Bedoel, die bradly gaat de lucht in, ze vallen een huis binnen en wijzen een aantal willekeurige verdachten aan (kleine kans dat hun het waren, heel klein).
Daarna een auto die niet stopt en huppa autorijder doorzeefd.
Zo krijg je alleen nog maar meer zooi.
Dit vind ik dus zo goedkoop, om dit veilig achter je keyboard te zeggen.quote:Op zondag 15 juli 2007 23:48 schreef gronk het volgende:
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Maar verder diep respect hoor, hoe de amerikanen omgaan met de situatie.
Als olie de belangrijkste drijfveer is van het Pentagon, zullen ze er nog vele jaren blijven zitten, wees daar maar niet bang voor. Het verlies van een paar duizend gasten die anders toch alleen maar thuis voor overlast zouden zorgen weegt niet op tegen het finaciele gewin bij een langdurig verblijf in Irak. En dan kan die Mailiki op zijn kop gaan staan, daar ligt geen amerikaan wakker van.quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 00:42 schreef Mr_Memory het volgende:
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Dit vind ik dus zo goedkoop, om dit veilig achter je keyboard te zeggen.![]()
Oorlog haalt nu eenmaal het slechte in de mens boven, wie weet hoe jij of ik zou reageren in zo'n situatie.
Amerikanen zijn ook mensen van vlees en bloed, en geloof me, het overgrote meerendeel van deze jongens willen deze shit ook niet, en gaan veel liever naar huis.
Deze oorlog is niet meer te winnen voor de USA, de vraag is, waneer ze dit inzien en hoe ze het dan gaan oplossen.
ach vandaar, daar ga ik niet eens op in...quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 00:51 schreef gronk het volgende:
Ik vond de kritiekloze verering door buachaille ook nogal goedkoop. Vandaar.
Vandaar dat ik zei: wanneer zien ze het in, en hoe gaan ze het oplossen!quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 00:52 schreef Hathor het volgende:
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Als olie de belangrijkste drijfveer is van het Pentagon, zullen ze er nog vele jaren blijven zitten, wees daar maar niet bang voor. Het verlies van een paar duizend gasten die anders toch alleen maar thuis voor overlast zouden zorgen weegt niet op tegen het finaciele gewin bij een langdurig verblijf in Irak. En dan kan die Mailiki op zijn kop gaan staan, daar ligt geen amerikaan wakker van.
Ze lopen de hele tijd op hun tenen, maten van hun gaan dood.quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 00:42 schreef Mr_Memory het volgende:
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Dit vind ik dus zo goedkoop, om dit veilig achter je keyboard te zeggen.![]()
Oorlog haalt nu eenmaal het slechte in de mens boven, wie weet hoe jij of ik zou reageren in zo'n situatie.
Amerikanen zijn ook mensen van vlees en bloed, en geloof me, het overgrote meerendeel van deze jongens willen deze shit ook niet, en gaan veel liever naar huis.
Deze oorlog is niet meer te winnen voor de USA, de vraag is, waneer ze dit inzien en hoe ze het dan gaan oplossen.
Idd het is daar een gekkehuis, de Amerikanen zijn in een visuele cirkel beland:quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 01:35 schreef Aasgier het volgende:
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Ze lopen de hele tijd op hun tenen, maten van hun gaan dood.
Op een gegevenmoment zie je overal de vijand en schiet je met het geringste gevaar, vooral omdat je geen normale vijand hebt, maar vijanden die eruit zien als burgers en die dus ook tussen de burgers zit.
En dan kan je je afvragen of het nog wel zin heeft om daar te zijn.
Nederlander pakken het idd anders aan, die proberen tenminsten nog de burgerbevolking voor zich te winnen.quote:Nederlandse militairen gaan anders te werk, misschien weer iets te soft maar met hoe de amerikanen vechten krijg je volgens mij alleen maar meer zooi.
Opzich kan je het ze niet kwalijk nemen, zo zijn ze getraind en ze krijgen ook maar orders moet je maar denken.
Dus persoonlijk spreek ik hun er niet op aan maar meer op de leiding dus van het amerikaanse leger. Verder heb je ook nog veel van die ''private soldiers'', die zijn volgens mij nog erger.
Maar ja dat is wel weer handig, want als die dood gaan komen die niet op de lijst van ''gesneuvelde amerikaanse soldaten''.
De huurlingen bedoelt hij denk ik. Private bedrijven die op contract voor de regering werken.quote:Op maandag 16 juli 2007 01:52 schreef Mr_Memory het volgende:
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Wat zijn "private soldiers" daar heb ik nog nooit van gehoord, soldaten die er voor de lol heengaan of zo![]()
En er is idd veel minder controle op wat zij precies uitvreten.quote:More than 180,000 civilians - American and foreign - are working in Iraq under US contracts, State and Defence Department figures show. Including the recent troop increase, 160,000 American soldiers and several thousand civilian government employees are stationed in Iraq.
The number of private contractors, far higher than previously reported, shows how heavily the Bush Administration has relied on private companies to carry out the occupation of Iraq - a mission criticised as being inadequately manned.
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