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Ik geloof nite dat Tobin Bell er de hele film in voorkomt.. denk dat hij er meer in speelt bij flash-backs enzo..quote:Op maandag 25 juni 2007 14:19 schreef kevne het volgende:
Ookal is Jigsaw (Tobin Bell) de hoofdpersoon in de films, baal ik er best wel van dat hij ook weer in deel 4 komt. Ik heb het nu eigenlijk wel gehad met hem...
Geloof dat zoiets ook stond op wikipedia, maar kanhet ook verkeerd hebben gelezen..
Bobby Haarms: "Ik ben niet bang voor de dood. Misschien zit onze Lieve Heer wel te wachten op een hersteltraining. Nou, dan kan ie behoorlijk aan de bak." AFCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROg7m4qPC00quote:Op maandag 25 juni 2007 14:20 schreef Just_Shut_Up het volgende:
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Same, die laatste trap in Saw 3 was dan ook vrij bruut
En wat is regurgitatie ?:P
Bobby Haarms: "Ik ben niet bang voor de dood. Misschien zit onze Lieve Heer wel te wachten op een hersteltraining. Nou, dan kan ie behoorlijk aan de bak." AFCA
re·gur·gi·tate /rɪˈgɜrdʒɪˌteɪt/ Pronunciation[ri-gur-ji-teyt]
verb, -tat·ed, -tat·ing.
–verb (used without object)
1. to surge or rush back, as liquids, gases, undigested food, etc.
–verb (used with object)
2. to cause to surge or rush back; vomit.
3. to give back or repeat, esp. something not fully understood or assimilated: to regurgitate the teacher's lectures on the exam.
verb, -tat·ed, -tat·ing.
–verb (used without object)
1. to surge or rush back, as liquids, gases, undigested food, etc.
–verb (used with object)
2. to cause to surge or rush back; vomit.
3. to give back or repeat, esp. something not fully understood or assimilated: to regurgitate the teacher's lectures on the exam.
"Pain is my friend. I can trust pain. I can trust pain to make my life utterly miserable."
"My brain is too smart for me."
"We don't need no education." "Yes you do, you just used a double negative."
"My brain is too smart for me."
"We don't need no education." "Yes you do, you just used a double negative."
Overgeven wat je net hebt opgegetenquote:Op maandag 25 juni 2007 16:30 schreef Silaz het volgende:
En wat is regurgitatie ?:P
He also indicated the first 20 minutes will contain extreme gore, enough that it might create a reaction from the MPAA board, and stated that one scene will involve an autopsy
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Hmm niet echt fris.. maar een autopsie lijkt me juist wel weer vet
Bobby Haarms: "Ik ben niet bang voor de dood. Misschien zit onze Lieve Heer wel te wachten op een hersteltraining. Nou, dan kan ie behoorlijk aan de bak." AFCA
SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.Doe maar even in spoilers want sommige mensen willen het niet weten..op zich niet zo een grote spoiler maar who knows..Correct en tevens juist...
k heb ooit gelezen ergens dat jigsaw trug komtofzow.. kweetnie meer waar..
En deel 5 is al vastgelegd door de makers...
En deel 5 is al vastgelegd door de makers...
"Stories happen only to those who are able to tell them."
Conclusie? geen zin om te kijkenquote:Op maandag 25 juni 2007 16:04 schreef Tinuzzz_Talpa het volgende:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROg7m4qPC00
I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
Dat is de trap met die negert!quote:Op maandag 25 juni 2007 19:29 schreef Electro-Worm het volgende:
[..]
Conclusie? geen zin om te kijken
Heb 3 nog niet gezien. Dus vertel de conclusie puhlies!
I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
Conclusie:quote:Op maandag 25 juni 2007 21:55 schreef Electro-Worm het volgende:
Heb 3 nog niet gezien. Dus vertel de conclusie puhlies!
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'Saw IV' Masterminds Piece Together Jigsaw's Puzzling Return
Killer won't appear as a ghost or in flashback form — and flick isn't a prequel, either.
By Larry Carroll
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HOLLYWOOD — The most terrifying face in horror over the last half-decade is no more. And long shall he reign.
"Jigsaw is dead," producer Mark Burg revealed Wednesday (June 13), sitting in a dimly lit bar alongside "Saw" masterminds Darren Lynn Bousman, Oren Koules and Tobin Bell. "Everybody knows that they killed him at the end of 'Saw III' ... so the challenge for us was, how do you continue the franchise with Jigsaw being dead?"
With the fourth installment of the super-successful, super-secretive franchise having recently wrapped filming in Toronto, the group convened to give its first interviews about the series that has become an annual Halloween tradition for filmgoers (see "Jigsaw's Already Back For More? 'Saw III' Team Sets Up 'Saw
IV' "). But unlike the other flicks, "Saw IV" would seem to no longer have a villain after fans watched Jigsaw get his neck sliced open and Amanda (Shawnee Smith) get shot in the last volume (see "Jigsaw Gets A Girlfriend In 'Saw III,' But Don't Expect Any Love Scenes"). In many ways, the interviews are marking the beginning of a cat-and-mouse game between fans and filmmakers that would make Jigsaw proud.
"Shawnee is dead as well," Burg added, also confirming that "Saw" won't go the route of series like "Friday the 13th" and turn the Jigsaw Killer and his young protégé Amanda into invincible monsters. "We always thought that we wanted to keep the franchise going, but we didn't want to without having a great story. Then Oren called me up one day, we were playing around with a bunch of ideas, and he said, 'What if blah, blah, blah?' And I was like, 'Oh my God, that works!' "
"You'll find out what's going on in the very first scene," grinned Bell, insisting that he is not only in the movie but has just as much screen time as he did in the last two films. "Does it take place chronologically after the events of 'Saw III'? Yes."
"I don't know what constitutes a prequel, or what constitutes a flashback," the veteran actor added. "All I can tell you is that we meet a lot of new characters, it picks up after the last movie and continues to tell the story."
"Jigsaw definitely returns, but so do the traps, so do the twists, and so does the doll," explained Bousman, who has directed all three sequels. "This is what I can tell you about the film: Everyone's thinking, 'Oh, they're doing a prequel,' but we're not. Is Tobin back? One hundred percent he is. Is he badass in this? One hundred percent he is. Is Tobin only in flashbacks? No, he's not. Is Tobin dead? Yes he is. Is Tobin a ghost? No, he's not."
For those playing along at home, the filmmakers also shot down any notion of Jigsaw having a twin brother à la "City Slickers."
After being questioned until they were at nearly the same torture point as that poor dude on the cross in the last flick, the filmmakers cited a key flashback scene from "Saw III" as their blueprint for the fourth film. "The thing about the 'Saw' movies is that they don't happen sequentially; things get revealed out of sequence. Like in the 'Saw III' scene in the bathroom, [flashing back to] just before I lied down in the floor in 'Saw,' " Bell said. "There's some of that in this film, where we fill in gaps that have developed over time in the previous 'Saw' films."
"But it's way up there with the gore," added David Hackl, who designs the traps for the series. "I just remember Darren standing on set, day after day, saying, 'More blood! We need more blood!' The traps are going to be more elegant and much stronger ... these will be more of a mental puzzle ... they'll make you think."
"There is a scene in this movie where I physically regurgitated in my mouth," Bousman grinned. "It's at the very beginning, and [special-effects coordinator] François [Dagenais] is a genius. ... There is stuff in this movie that I'm dying to see whether it gets past the MPAA."
While some might think that Jigsaw's death would put an end to his anger over being diagnosed with terminal cancer, Bell was quick to say that John has plenty of motivation to continue his killing from beyond the grave. "His terminal cancer is one of the elements in his life, but he's just as angry that the world is going to hell in a handbasket because it's no longer survival of the fittest but survival of the mediocre," observed the actor. "If the story is brilliant, I don't care if he's dead or alive."
Adding that the supposed plots currently listed on sites like IMDb are bogus, Bousman and his crew coughed up the following tidbits on the flick, which will soon release its first image (keep checking back here to see it) and hit theaters October 26:
· Expect "Saw IV" to up the estrogen. "Two of our main leads this year are female," Bousman revealed.
· Bell has said his favorite torture involves a character named "Cecil" — who may or may not have appeared in a previous film.
· Expect a special-delivery leftover from the last movie. "I'll say one thing: Remember in 'Saw III,' when Shawnee opened up the envelope and read things?" Koules said. "Do you know what was in there? Now you will."
· "Saw IV" will revisit the jigsaw pieces that the killer once cut from the flesh of his victims. "That thread will continue, but I can't answer how," Bousman said.
· Producer Koules stepped in front of the cameras again alongside Smith, answering a key question in the series. "I get the question all the time: 'In "Saw 1," the person who Shawnee cuts open to get the key to unlock [her mask], her dead cellmate — what was his relationship to her?' " he grinned, referring to the new flashback. "Well, I was the cellmate."
· Among other details we'll learn is the history of Smith's jewelry. "[In 'Saw III'], what was the key that was chained around her neck?" Bousman asked, suggesting the answer will be revealed.
Last but not least, the director promised a conclusion that will finally compete with the original flick's now-classic revelation of the seemingly dead man getting up from the bathroom floor. "If you guys guess the end of the movie, then you're my personal f---ing heroes," Bousman dared
ben toch wel weer beetje benieuwd geworden
Killer won't appear as a ghost or in flashback form — and flick isn't a prequel, either.
By Larry Carroll
Del.icio.us Digg Newsvine Send Print You Tell Us
HOLLYWOOD — The most terrifying face in horror over the last half-decade is no more. And long shall he reign.
"Jigsaw is dead," producer Mark Burg revealed Wednesday (June 13), sitting in a dimly lit bar alongside "Saw" masterminds Darren Lynn Bousman, Oren Koules and Tobin Bell. "Everybody knows that they killed him at the end of 'Saw III' ... so the challenge for us was, how do you continue the franchise with Jigsaw being dead?"
With the fourth installment of the super-successful, super-secretive franchise having recently wrapped filming in Toronto, the group convened to give its first interviews about the series that has become an annual Halloween tradition for filmgoers (see "Jigsaw's Already Back For More? 'Saw III' Team Sets Up 'Saw
IV' "). But unlike the other flicks, "Saw IV" would seem to no longer have a villain after fans watched Jigsaw get his neck sliced open and Amanda (Shawnee Smith) get shot in the last volume (see "Jigsaw Gets A Girlfriend In 'Saw III,' But Don't Expect Any Love Scenes"). In many ways, the interviews are marking the beginning of a cat-and-mouse game between fans and filmmakers that would make Jigsaw proud.
"Shawnee is dead as well," Burg added, also confirming that "Saw" won't go the route of series like "Friday the 13th" and turn the Jigsaw Killer and his young protégé Amanda into invincible monsters. "We always thought that we wanted to keep the franchise going, but we didn't want to without having a great story. Then Oren called me up one day, we were playing around with a bunch of ideas, and he said, 'What if blah, blah, blah?' And I was like, 'Oh my God, that works!' "
"You'll find out what's going on in the very first scene," grinned Bell, insisting that he is not only in the movie but has just as much screen time as he did in the last two films. "Does it take place chronologically after the events of 'Saw III'? Yes."
"I don't know what constitutes a prequel, or what constitutes a flashback," the veteran actor added. "All I can tell you is that we meet a lot of new characters, it picks up after the last movie and continues to tell the story."
"Jigsaw definitely returns, but so do the traps, so do the twists, and so does the doll," explained Bousman, who has directed all three sequels. "This is what I can tell you about the film: Everyone's thinking, 'Oh, they're doing a prequel,' but we're not. Is Tobin back? One hundred percent he is. Is he badass in this? One hundred percent he is. Is Tobin only in flashbacks? No, he's not. Is Tobin dead? Yes he is. Is Tobin a ghost? No, he's not."
For those playing along at home, the filmmakers also shot down any notion of Jigsaw having a twin brother à la "City Slickers."
After being questioned until they were at nearly the same torture point as that poor dude on the cross in the last flick, the filmmakers cited a key flashback scene from "Saw III" as their blueprint for the fourth film. "The thing about the 'Saw' movies is that they don't happen sequentially; things get revealed out of sequence. Like in the 'Saw III' scene in the bathroom, [flashing back to] just before I lied down in the floor in 'Saw,' " Bell said. "There's some of that in this film, where we fill in gaps that have developed over time in the previous 'Saw' films."
"But it's way up there with the gore," added David Hackl, who designs the traps for the series. "I just remember Darren standing on set, day after day, saying, 'More blood! We need more blood!' The traps are going to be more elegant and much stronger ... these will be more of a mental puzzle ... they'll make you think."
"There is a scene in this movie where I physically regurgitated in my mouth," Bousman grinned. "It's at the very beginning, and [special-effects coordinator] François [Dagenais] is a genius. ... There is stuff in this movie that I'm dying to see whether it gets past the MPAA."
While some might think that Jigsaw's death would put an end to his anger over being diagnosed with terminal cancer, Bell was quick to say that John has plenty of motivation to continue his killing from beyond the grave. "His terminal cancer is one of the elements in his life, but he's just as angry that the world is going to hell in a handbasket because it's no longer survival of the fittest but survival of the mediocre," observed the actor. "If the story is brilliant, I don't care if he's dead or alive."
Adding that the supposed plots currently listed on sites like IMDb are bogus, Bousman and his crew coughed up the following tidbits on the flick, which will soon release its first image (keep checking back here to see it) and hit theaters October 26:
· Expect "Saw IV" to up the estrogen. "Two of our main leads this year are female," Bousman revealed.
· Bell has said his favorite torture involves a character named "Cecil" — who may or may not have appeared in a previous film.
· Expect a special-delivery leftover from the last movie. "I'll say one thing: Remember in 'Saw III,' when Shawnee opened up the envelope and read things?" Koules said. "Do you know what was in there? Now you will."
· "Saw IV" will revisit the jigsaw pieces that the killer once cut from the flesh of his victims. "That thread will continue, but I can't answer how," Bousman said.
· Producer Koules stepped in front of the cameras again alongside Smith, answering a key question in the series. "I get the question all the time: 'In "Saw 1," the person who Shawnee cuts open to get the key to unlock [her mask], her dead cellmate — what was his relationship to her?' " he grinned, referring to the new flashback. "Well, I was the cellmate."
· Among other details we'll learn is the history of Smith's jewelry. "[In 'Saw III'], what was the key that was chained around her neck?" Bousman asked, suggesting the answer will be revealed.
Last but not least, the director promised a conclusion that will finally compete with the original flick's now-classic revelation of the seemingly dead man getting up from the bathroom floor. "If you guys guess the end of the movie, then you're my personal f---ing heroes," Bousman dared
ben toch wel weer beetje benieuwd geworden
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24 juli.quote:Op dinsdag 26 juni 2007 09:37 schreef miss-scofield het volgende:
Leuk!!! Ik wil wel weer een SAW film
Wanneer komt 3 uit op dvd
O ja:
quote:Dvd Extras
Gratis poster + saw Tanden. Heb je de gouden tand? dan ga je naar Hollywood!
Gaaafff!!! Ben helaas op vakantie, moet m'n moeder 'm maar voor me halen!! Ik natuurlijk wel de posterquote:
I ♥ PB
Plot
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Ik heb deel 3 nog niet gezien, hoe gaat dat wijf en jigsaw dood dan?
I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
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Nopequote:Op dinsdag 3 juli 2007 15:44 schreef Crazykill het volgende:
Tvp, is er al een trailer?
Correct en tevens juist...
Wel hoor, hier:quote:Op dinsdag 3 juli 2007 15:44 schreef Crazykill het volgende:
Tvp, is er al een trailer?
http://www.saw.com/index.php?/4/watchtrailer
Ja dit is m denkik echtwel! <-- ik heb het 1m topic!
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zowizo niet grappig en het is saw 1quote:Op woensdag 4 juli 2007 15:02 schreef ryangozer het volgende:
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Wel hoor, hier:
http://www.saw.com/index.php?/4/watchtrailer
Zo niet.. dan toch!
hoop dat ie snel komt, heb wel weer zin in een paar martelingen
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Comic Con:
Director Darren Lynn Bousman appeared and confirmed that the MPAA came back with an NC-17 rating today for the film - they're presently undecided what to do about it. Tobin Bell is in it, but the character is dead and there is no twin or silly trick. Bousman also confirmed he's remaking "Scanners" once he wraps "Repo!. The first twenty minutes of the film were considered very intense and they hoped to show the first five minutes - but it got rejected by Con organisers. They did however show another clip where two men awaken in a cemetary and find themselves chained to a winch which begins revolving. One guy has his eyes stitched shut, the other his mouth and the pair begin fighting as the receeding chain pulls them closer together.
Director Darren Lynn Bousman appeared and confirmed that the MPAA came back with an NC-17 rating today for the film - they're presently undecided what to do about it. Tobin Bell is in it, but the character is dead and there is no twin or silly trick. Bousman also confirmed he's remaking "Scanners" once he wraps "Repo!. The first twenty minutes of the film were considered very intense and they hoped to show the first five minutes - but it got rejected by Con organisers. They did however show another clip where two men awaken in a cemetary and find themselves chained to a winch which begins revolving. One guy has his eyes stitched shut, the other his mouth and the pair begin fighting as the receeding chain pulls them closer together.
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Ik heb deel 3 net gezien. Ik vond 'm niks aan.
I have had it with these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
Die moet ik eens kijken als ik terugkom van vakantie.quote:Op zaterdag 16 juni 2007 11:20 schreef Tinuzzz_Talpa het volgende:
Saw - The Original Short FIlm
Het filmpje waar het allemaal op gebaseerd is.
Hij is leuk hoor.quote:Op vrijdag 27 juli 2007 11:06 schreef koenimex het volgende:
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Die moet ik eens kijken als ik terugkom van vakantie.
Hier staat de hele clip..maar wel met spoiler erin;quote:Op vrijdag 27 juli 2007 08:05 schreef Patch het volgende:
Comic Con:
Director Darren Lynn Bousman appeared and confirmed that the MPAA came back with an NC-17 rating today for the film - they're presently undecided what to do about it. Tobin Bell is in it, but the character is dead and there is no twin or silly trick. Bousman also confirmed he's remaking "Scanners" once he wraps "Repo!. The first twenty minutes of the film were considered very intense and they hoped to show the first five minutes - but it got rejected by Con organisers. They did however show another clip where two men awaken in a cemetary and find themselves chained to a winch which begins revolving. One guy has his eyes stitched shut, the other his mouth and the pair begin fighting as the receeding chain pulls them closer together.
SPOILEROm spoilers te kunnen lezen moet je zijn ingelogd. Je moet je daarvoor eerst gratis Registreren. Ook kun je spoilers niet lezen als je een ban hebt.Nog een nieuwe foto van de film, ziet er weer leuk uit!
Poster;
Filmposter;
[ Bericht 2% gewijzigd door bar_rel op 27-07-2007 14:23:48 ]Correct en tevens juist...
ah! dus Jigsaw zal niet terug 'komen' maar wel te zien zijn. niet levend, geen flashback (?), dood in een mortuarium. waar ze hem onderzoeken en dingen vinden (jigsaw pieces/ puzzelstukjes).
wat denken jullie?
wat denken jullie?
Ze hadden na 1 gewoon moeten stoppen. Dan was het een klassieker geweest. Toen ik Saw zag flikkerde ik bijna van de bank. De eerste film in een lange tijd die mij weer wat deed. Door al die, zwakke, vervolgen vervaagt die herinnering.
Bij elke gelegenheid schreef fathank het volgende:
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Ik ben toen op Lowlands halverwege 't optreden van Typhoon knock out gegaan.
Als ik zo wat dingen lees komt er sowieso nog een SAW V..en misschien een SAW VI !quote:Op vrijdag 27 juli 2007 14:23 schreef Karrel_Laaglawaai het volgende:
Ze hadden na 1 gewoon moeten stoppen. Dan was het een klassieker geweest. Toen ik Saw zag flikkerde ik bijna van de bank. De eerste film in een lange tijd die mij weer wat deed. Door al die, zwakke, vervolgen vervaagt die herinnering.
Correct en tevens juist...
Deel 1 was geniaal, de rest vermakelijk. Laat die vervolgdelen maar komenquote:Op vrijdag 27 juli 2007 14:23 schreef Karrel_Laaglawaai het volgende:
Ze hadden na 1 gewoon moeten stoppen. Dan was het een klassieker geweest. Toen ik Saw zag flikkerde ik bijna van de bank. De eerste film in een lange tijd die mij weer wat deed. Door al die, zwakke, vervolgen vervaagt die herinnering.
JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country".
maar het gaat wel erg hard achteruit hoor. Deel 3 ging nog net, imoquote:Op vrijdag 27 juli 2007 14:29 schreef LENUS het volgende:
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Deel 1 was geniaal, de rest vermakelijk. Laat die vervolgdelen maar komen
Van mij mogen er nog 4 delen bij komen , kan mij niet schelen als er soms een deeltje wat minder is, de films zijn verslavend en kijk elke keer weer uit naar een volgend deelquote:Op vrijdag 27 juli 2007 14:23 schreef Karrel_Laaglawaai het volgende:
Ze hadden na 1 gewoon moeten stoppen. Dan was het een klassieker geweest. Toen ik Saw zag flikkerde ik bijna van de bank. De eerste film in een lange tijd die mij weer wat deed. Door al die, zwakke, vervolgen vervaagt die herinnering.
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quote:Op dinsdag 31 juli 2007 15:06 schreef Patch het volgende:
eerste beelden:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/22123/903cbafe/index.html
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dat ziet er weer goed uit ben benieuwd!quote:Op dinsdag 31 juli 2007 15:06 schreef Patch het volgende:
eerste beelden:
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/22123/903cbafe/index.html
ben benieuwd!
Zo niet.. dan toch!
OMG, het leukste youtube filmpje ooit: (saw 4 funny)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0os9Yd434
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j0os9Yd434
Ja dit is m denkik echtwel! <-- ik heb het 1m topic!
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