topkekquote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:42 schreef Mortaxx het volgende:
Ik heb het even opgezocht. Met jullie Volkskrant en nu.nl
"This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey."
"Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists."
"Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe."
"We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours."
"Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? I understand that every state has its own regional interests and we’ve always respected that, but we will never allow the kind of crime that happened to today to take place. And of course we hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil."
Met jullie volkskrant? Die is volgens mij net zo gerespecteerd als The Guardian in UKquote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:42 schreef Mortaxx het volgende:
Ik heb het even opgezocht. Met jullie Volkskrant en nu.nl
"This event is beyond the normal framework of fighting against terrorism. Of course our military is doing heroic work against terrorism... But the loss today is a stab in the back, carried out by the accomplices of terrorists. I can’t describe it in any other way. Our aircraft was downed over the territory of Syria, using air-to-air missile from a Turkish F-16. It fell on the Syrian territory 4km from Turkey."
"Neither our pilots nor our jet threatened the territory of Turkey. This is obvious. They are fighting terrorists in the northern areas around Latakia, where militants are located, mainly people who originated in Russia, and they were pursuing their direct duty, to make sure these people do not return to Russia. These are people who are clearly international terrorists."
"Taking into account that we signed an agreement on deconflicting with the US, and as we know Turkey was among the ones that has joined the US coalition. Since Isis has such huge resources of hundreds of millions and billions of dollars coming from illicit oil sales, and they are protected by the armed forces of other states, then it’s clear why they are so brazen, why they are killing people, why they are carrying out terrorist attacks throughout the world including in the heart of Europe."
"We will analyse everything, and today’s tragic event will have significant consequences, including for Russia-Turkish relations. We have always treated Turkey as a friendly state. I don’t know who was interested in what happened today, certainly not us. And instead of immediately getting in contact with us, as far as we know, the Turkish side immediately turned to their partners from Nato to discuss this incident, as if we shot down their plane and not they ours."
"Do they want to make Nato serve ISIS? I understand that every state has its own regional interests and we’ve always respected that, but we will never allow the kind of crime that happened to today to take place. And of course we hope that the international community will find the strength to come together and fight against the common evil."
Ook wat The Guardian schrijft is net zo gekleurd als een Russian Today of een Al Jazeera.quote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:46 schreef Fok-it het volgende:
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Met jullie volkskrant? Die is volgens mij net zo gerespecteerd als The Guardian in UK
Tsja, dan kan je niks objectief zienquote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:46 schreef Insomnia_ het volgende:
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Ook wat The Guardian schrijft is net zo gekleurd als een Russian Today of een Al Jazeera.
Jawel. Door niets voor lief aan te nemen en na te denken over de motieven en belangen van beide partijen.quote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:47 schreef Fok-it het volgende:
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Tsja, dan kan je niks objectief zien
Waarom zouden ze het uberhaupt gedaan hebben dan?quote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:49 schreef Insomnia_ het volgende:
En nu moet je eerlijk zijn dat het heel vreemd is dat een Turkije die zegt voor de bestrijding van ISIS is een vliegtuig neer schiet wat volgens de TURKSE berichten krapaan 2-3 kilometer over een stukje Turkije vloog uit de lucht schiet.
Zeker met in het achterhoofd dat Turkije nogal veel belangen bij ISIS heeft en het drukker heeft Koerden te onderdrukken.
Om hun belangen met ISIS te verdedigen mogelijk? Het was in ieder geval niet uit zelfverdediging want dan had west-europa al 40-45 keer Russen uit de lucht geschoten.quote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:52 schreef Fok-it het volgende:
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Waarom zouden ze het uberhaupt gedaan hebben dan?
En Turkije die IS-sympathisanten oppakt is dan schijn?quote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:53 schreef Insomnia_ het volgende:
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Om hun belangen met ISIS te verdedigen mogelijk? Het was in ieder geval niet uit zelfverdediging want dan had west-europa al 40-45 keer Russen uit de lucht geschoten.
Een land kan 2 agendas hebben. Dat is verder maar een heel klein blijk van goede trouw he.quote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:57 schreef Fok-it het volgende:
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En Turkije die IS-sympathisanten oppakt is dan schijn?
Hm, dat klopt wel jaquote:Op dinsdag 24 november 2015 15:58 schreef Insomnia_ het volgende:
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Een land kan 2 agendas hebben. Dat is verder maar een heel klein blijk van goede trouw he.
Ik vind profiteren van ISIS-olie en ze als een soort verdelger van Koerden zien wel wat zwaarder spreken dan een paar terroristjes in eigen land oppakken.
__!quote:In 2012 a Turkish military aircraft[1] went into Syria's airspace and it was shot down by Syrian forces. At the time Turkish president Abdullah Gül said, "it is routine for jet fighters to sometimes fly in and out over [national] borders." We'll see how the story changes now that the shoe is on the other foot.
Walgelijke land qua regering gewoon, maar omdat het een NAVO lid is kiezen we wel hun kant. Terwijl het een land is wat genocides ontkent, Koerden onderdrukt en dus die Olie regels aan de laars lapt.quote:
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