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  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 20:09:47 #1
105919 Pracissor
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De gruwelijke moord waarbij de 23 jarige Ilan Halimi werd gemarteld en voor 80% verbrand raakte heeft waarschijnelijk een anti-semitische lading. De leider van de ontvoerders was een zwarte moslim.

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article346728.ece
http://www.ejpress.org/article/5916
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3219022,00.html
quote:
Jewish anger at 'racist' murder by kidnap gang
By John Lichfield in Paris
Published: 21 February 2006

Tempers are reaching boiling point in the French Jewish community after the torture and murder of a young Jewish man by a suburban gang calling itself " the barbarians".

Police had said that the gang kidnapped Ilan Halimi, 23 ­ using a beautiful, young, blonde woman as bait ­ to extort money from his family. However, the victim's family and many other Parisian Jews are convinced the crime was, at least partially, racially motivated.

Last night the Justice Minister, Pascal Clement, confirmed that investigators had alleged "aggravated circumstances of anti-Semitism" . He said that one suspect had indicated M. Halimi was selected "because he was Jewish and because a Jew was rich". He added: "That is an aggravating circumstance, it means that the resonance is no longer the same."

A Parisian member of parliament, Claude Goasguen, said yesterday the city could face "extremely serious intra-community violence" unless the authorities abandoned their "persistent silence on the real motives for this murder".

At the weekend, a mainly peaceful protest march by Parisian Jews was marred by a number of violent actions by radical young Jewish men. A black man was beaten up, allegedly for "smiling" at the protest. An Arab-run grocery was attacked. A motorist who was caught up in the march was assaulted and had to be rescued by demonstration marshals.

Tracts were handed out by Jewish radical groups which claimed that Ilan Halimi, a mobile telephone salesman, was a victim of "Islamo-fascism" .

Fifteen people have been arrested in connection with M. Halimi's abduction and death. Three were placed under formal investigation at the weekend, including Audrey Lorleach, 24, who is accused of picking up the young man at his shop and leading him into a trap.

Seven other alleged members of the gang were formally accused of kidnapping, murder and lesser crimes after appearing before an investigating magistrate yesterday afternoon.

The alleged ring-leader of the kidnap gang, Youssouf "Mohammed" Fafana, 25, who called himself (in English) the "brain of the barbarians " is still on the run. Police have branded him as "the most wanted man in France".

M. Fafana is a convicted petty criminal of Côte d'Ivoirian origin. French investigators say that the gang has been involved in half a dozen other kidnappings and attempted kidnappings. Most of the other victims, or intended victims, were not Jewish. Officially, therefore, police insist that there is no reason to suspect that the torture and murder of M. Halimi were racially motivated.

The young man disappeared on 21 January after making a date to meet Mme Lorleach, whom he had met in his mobile telephone shop in Paris. His family said that they had received a series of ransom demands via e-mail, text message and telephone, demanding a ransom of ¤450,000 (£308,000), which they were unable to raise.

He was discovered last Monday, three weeks later, in the southern suburbs of Paris, naked, gagged and handcuffed. He died soon afterwards from multiple injuries and burns.

His family insists that he was the victim of an "anti-Semitic crime" . During telephone calls demanding money, they said, gang members read out verses of the Koran. Even if money were the original motive for the abduction, they said, they believe that M. Halimi was tortured and murdered because he was Jewish.

The fugitive, M. Fofana, and several other gang members, lived in a troubled housing estate at Bagneux, west of Paris. Although the self-proclaimed " brain of the barbarians" had served time in prison for petty crimes, neighbours said that they were astonished to hear that he was suspected of kidnap, torture and murder.

A local youth said: "This is a gang made up of jetsam and flotsam ­ young people without an idea in their head, who probably didn't realise the seriousness of what they were doing." Another neighbour described him as "an ordinary young man ­ jeans, trainers, hello, goodbye, that's all. "

Some Jewish community leaders accuse the police of deliberately playing down the racial aspects of the crime to avoid inflaming religious and intra-community tensions.

The torture and murder of M. Halimi has commanded much attention in the Israeli media. One Israeli radio station said the murder proved that it was " no longer safe" for Jewish people to live in Paris. In fact, there was a steep fall in the number of anti-Semitic attacks in France last year after a peak in 2004.

The representative council of Jewish institutions in France, CRIF, has called for calm but has also appealed to investigators to reveal all they know on the "motives of the
assassins".


[ Bericht 30% gewijzigd door Pracissor op 23-02-2006 22:41:01 ]
A little philosphy may inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy shall bringeth men's minds about to religion.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 20:15:29 #2
107125 dancemacabre
is niet zo heel erg
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Onversneden racisme, gedood omdat Joden veel geld hebben.
Prachtige aanwinst, moslims.
pi_35418787
Zeg NEE tegen (dood)marteling of het nu door criminelen, dictators of door onze eigen prachtige democratische bondgenoten gebeurt.
De Postcodeloterij helpt!........mensen de vernieling in.
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 20:22:24 #4
105919 Pracissor
Semi-intellectueel
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 20:21 schreef Mikrosoft het volgende:
Zeg NEE tegen (dood)marteling of het nu door criminelen, dictators of door onze eigen prachtige democratische bondgenoten gebeurt.
OT graag, huilen over de VS mag ergens anders.
A little philosphy may inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy shall bringeth men's minds about to religion.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
pi_35419210
Weer eens wat anders dan een cartoon of platgebrande moskeeen. Rondje demonstraties? Iemand?
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Waarschijnelijk
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 20:37:32 #7
105919 Pracissor
Semi-intellectueel
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 20:33 schreef JackHerrer het volgende:
Waarschijnelijk
Eigenlijk overbodig te zeggen.
A little philosphy may inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy shall bringeth men's minds about to religion.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
pi_35419542
quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 20:37 schreef Pracissor het volgende:

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Eigenlijk overbodig te zeggen.
Of het eerst leren spellen.
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 20:41:48 #9
262 Re
Kiss & Swallow
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de redenatie een jood heeft geld dus kun je hem afpersen vind ik nou niet anti-semitisch, wel erg generaliserend, zijn ook niet rijke joden in de wereld
04-08-11, 02-02-12, 20-06-14, 13-08-15
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 20:47:46 #10
105919 Pracissor
Semi-intellectueel
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 20:39 schreef JackHerrer het volgende:

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Of het eerst leren spellen.
Ach gut, is dat het enige wat je hebt te melden?

Die 'e' zal je wel helemaal van slag hebben gebracht?
A little philosphy may inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy shall bringeth men's minds about to religion.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
pi_35423452
Een keer te veel ctrl-V gebruikt lijkt me.
(Tekst dubbel vanaf "Tempers are reaching... " )

Ontopic: misselijk makend verhaal
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Varkens die dit geflikt hebben. Vieze zwijnen. Ratten.
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- bla -

[ Bericht 98% gewijzigd door sp3c op 24-02-2006 02:29:35 ]
Mijn Snape wat doe je !
Niet zo dol op Amerika uit de kluiten gewassen kolonie vol randebielen.
Asperger and proud !
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 22:54:50 #14
126836 Super7fighter
Obedience brings victory.
pi_35425017
Waren de twee andere slachtoffers dan ook Joods? Nee.
We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defence of our great nation.
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 22:56:12 #15
54997 Posdnous
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 22:54 schreef Super7fighter het volgende:
Waren de twee andere slachtoffers dan ook Joods? Nee.
Bovendien heeft nota bene 1 van de vandaag opgepakte daders al opgebiecht dat het helemaal geen reet met anti-semitisme te maken had. beetje vreemd waar ze dat vandaan halen.
When it comes to being Plug 1, it's just me, myself and I
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 22:57:52 #16
54997 Posdnous
Moslima-knuffelaar
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quote:
His family insists that he was the victim of an "anti-Semitic crime" . During telephone calls demanding money, they said, gang members read out verses of the Koran.
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When it comes to being Plug 1, it's just me, myself and I
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 22:56 schreef Posdnous het volgende:

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Bovendien heeft nota bene 1 van de vandaag opgepakte daders al opgebiecht dat het helemaal geen reet met anti-semitisme te maken had. beetje vreemd waar ze dat vandaan halen.
Ook al zou het niets te maken hebben met anti-semitisme, dat maakt de misdaad van deze zwijnen niet minder.
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 23:00:21 #18
54997 Posdnous
Moslima-knuffelaar
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 22:58 schreef Frances het volgende:

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Ook al zou het niets te maken hebben met anti-semitisme, dat maakt de misdaad van deze zwijnen niet minder.
Zeg ik dat dan? Ik heb het over de topictitel en het onderwerp hier en de reacties enzo, je weet wel, ontopic.
When it comes to being Plug 1, it's just me, myself and I
  donderdag 23 februari 2006 @ 23:07:12 #19
8369 speknek
Another day another slay
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Everybody knows Jews carry little bags of gold around their necks.

http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/1196.html
They told me all of my cages were mental, so I got wasted like all my potential.
pi_35427300
quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 22:56 schreef Posdnous het volgende:

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Bovendien heeft nota bene 1 van de vandaag opgepakte daders al opgebiecht dat het helemaal geen reet met anti-semitisme te maken had. beetje vreemd waar ze dat vandaan halen.
Maar het leek ook niet om het losgeld te gaan...
quote:
"We think there is anti-Semitism in this affair," Rafi Halimi, Ilan's uncle, told the press.

"First, because the killers tried to kidnap at least two other Jews, and second, because of what they said on the phone," Rafi Halimi added. "When we said we didn't have 500,000 euros to give them they told us to go to the synagogue and get it," Rafi said. "They also recited verses from the Koran."

But the Paris public prosecutor, Jean-Claude Marin, told Parisian Jewish radio on Thursday that "no element of the current investigation could link this murder to an anti-Semitic declaration or action." The umbrella group of French Jewish secular organizations, CRIF, issued a statement Friday calling on the Jewish community "to keep calm, cautious and wait for developments in the investigation."

Ilan Halimi's family points to the behavior of the kidnappers in their ransom negotiations, which began a few days after Ilan disappeared. Halimi was abducted on January 21 after a woman came into the mobile phone store where he worked and charmed him into a dinner date. The woman had been sent by the gang, which calls itself "The Barbarians." A police source said the gang is a group of childhood friends who grew up in Bagneux, a suburb south of Paris. The gang includes Muslims of North African descent and is headed by Youssef Fofana, who has escaped police capture so far. According to Marin, the gang had made six similar abduction attempts in the past.

After overpowering Halimi, the gang brought him to an apartment in a high-rise in Bagneux. They contacted Halimi's family and over the next three weeks demanded ransoms ranging from 300,000 to 500,000 euros. According to reports, at one point they agreed upon a deal and set a meeting place but the kidnappers backed out and eventually ended contact.

A source in the Jewish community said the gang's behavior suggested that the motive behind the kidnapping was violence for its own sake, particularly against Jews.

"Why didn't they release him when the realized the family couldn't pay ransom?" asked Sami Gazlan, who is responsible for security in the Jewish community.

Last Monday, a few days after the kidnappers ended contact with the family, Ilan was found near a suburban train station south of Paris, naked, handcuffed and gagged, with burns covering 80 percent of his body. He died on the way to the hospital.
Volledige artikel: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/684462.html
  vrijdag 24 februari 2006 @ 02:27:05 #21
105919 Pracissor
Semi-intellectueel
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 22:54 schreef Super7fighter het volgende:
Waren de twee andere slachtoffers dan ook Joods? Nee.
Uhm... ja?
A little philosphy may inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy shall bringeth men's minds about to religion.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
  vrijdag 24 februari 2006 @ 02:27:49 #22
105919 Pracissor
Semi-intellectueel
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quote:
Op donderdag 23 februari 2006 22:57 schreef Posdnous het volgende:

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Joden kan je natuurlijk niet vertrouwen, maar je gelooft wel de dader op zijn woord...
A little philosphy may inclineth a man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy shall bringeth men's minds about to religion.
Id legi modo hic modo illic. Vero, Latine loqui non est difficilissimum.
pi_35433640
Hoogstwaarschijnlijk heeft het helemaal niets met anti-semitisme te maken. Uit niets blijkt het + de dader zelf zegt ook dat het niets met anti-semitisme te maken heeft (maar heeft de daad wel bekend). De dader, een persoon afkomstig uit de Ivoorkust (en dus niet uit Noord-Afrika) vroeg dan ook om geld. Het zou wel grappig zijn dat elke moord waarbij een moslim de dood vind, het anti-islamitisch te noemen.
quote:
"When we said we didn't have 500,000 euros to give them they told us to go to the synagogue and get it," Rafi said. "They also recited verses from the Koran."
Ze zeiden dat ze naar de Synagoge moesten om het geld daar te halen! WAT EEN ANTI SEMIETEN! Ze vertelden Koran versen, ANTISEMITISME.
Allah Al Watan Al Malik
  vrijdag 24 februari 2006 @ 09:12:18 #24
92279 N.icka
Windforce 11
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Moslims doen zulke dingen niet
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quote:
Op vrijdag 24 februari 2006 09:12 schreef N.icka het volgende:
Moslims doen zulke dingen niet
Europeanen ook niet

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