zegt u het mij.
volgens mij was het Jill the Ripper
misschien dat hier ooit wel een draadje van is geweest maar ik kon hem niet meer vinden dus doen we het gewoon overnieuw.
ik heb ook wel eens gehoord dat Jack niet menselijk kon zijn doordat hij te snel van de ene naar de andere plek kon gaan (afstand met paard en wagen 15 min. moord was gepleegd na 7 min)
lijkt me stug net zoals het feit dat jack niet menselijk zou zijn. tijdregistratie was rond 1888 nog niet geweldig
quote:die kans acht ik groterOp dinsdag 24 januari 2006 10:01 schreef jogy het volgende:
Misschien waren het wel meerdere mensen?
quote:Op dinsdag 24 januari 2006 09:40 schreef BarraCupraCuda het volgende:
ik heb ook wel eens gehoord dat Jack niet menselijk kon zijn doordat hij te snel van de ene naar de andere plek kon gaan (afstand met paard en wagen 15 min. moord was gepleegd na 7 min)
quote:Trek uw eigen conclusiesThe time of death for Mary Kelly was estimated to be between 3:30 and 4:00 A.M. on the morning of Friday, November 9th 1888.
quote:like i said
quote:net zoals het feit dat jack niet menselijk zou zijn. tijdregistratie was rond 1888 nog niet geweldig
quote:Jacky Boy werkte waarschijnlijk samen.Op dinsdag 24 januari 2006 09:40 schreef BarraCupraCuda het volgende:
http://www.casebook.org/suspects/
zegt u het mij.
volgens mij was het Jill the Ripper
misschien dat hier ooit wel een draadje van is geweest maar ik kon hem niet meer vinden dus doen we het gewoon overnieuw.
ik heb ook wel eens gehoord dat Jack niet menselijk kon zijn doordat hij te snel van de ene naar de andere plek kon gaan (afstand met paard en wagen 15 min. moord was gepleegd na 7 min)
Slimme jongen, en heel vermoedelijk zelfs van adel bloed geweest.
quote:omdat?Op dinsdag 24 januari 2006 10:06 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Jacky Boy werkte waarschijnlijk samen.
Slimme jongen, en heel vermoedelijk zelfs van adel bloed geweest.
quote:maar waarom dan brieven schrijven naar de politie en teksten achterlaten op de moordlocatieOp dinsdag 24 januari 2006 10:34 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
ik heb er een keer een aannemelijke docu over gezien dat het zou gaan om een arts uit amerika/canada (week nie meer psies) die baarmoeders voor onderzoek nodig had.
hierdoor creeer je echt een angstgevoel bij mensen
quote:of leid je de aandacht van jezelf af.Op dinsdag 24 januari 2006 10:38 schreef BarraCupraCuda het volgende:
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maar waarom dan brieven schrijven naar de politie en teksten achterlaten op de moordlocatie
hierdoor creeer je echt een angstgevoel bij mensen
quote:Dat vind ik dan een waarschijnlijker conclusie dan dat hij uit de toekomst is gekomen, of niet menselijk was.Op dinsdag 24 januari 2006 10:06 schreef Ticker het volgende:
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Jacky Boy werkte waarschijnlijk samen.
Overigens ken ik een SF-verhaal waarin hij voorkomt. De plot is dat hij na zijn moorden juist naar de toekomst vertrekt (met de tijdmachine van HG Wells), en daar zijn wandaden voortzet.
quote:true maar je creeert wel zon sfeer dat er naast elke hoer een agent staatOp dinsdag 24 januari 2006 10:39 schreef zoalshetis het volgende:
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of leid je de aandacht van jezelf af.
quote:"The only reasonable explanation that we had come across regarding the actual name of the Masonic hero was that Hiram meant 'noble' or 'kingly' in Hebrew, while Abif has been identified as old French for 'lost one', giving a literal description of 'the king that was lost'."
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus
Knight and Lomas advance the theory that Hiram Abif was actually Sequenere Tao II, the true Egyptian king who lived at Thebes, four hundred miles south of the Hyksos capital at Avaris, near the end of Hyksos rule. Sequenere was the "new king over Egypt, that knew not Joseph", who was vizier around 1570 B.C.E. Apophis, they speculate, wanted to know the secret rites of Horus, which allowed the pharaohs in death to become Osiris and live eternally as a star. Apophis sent henchmen to extract the information from Sequenere, but he died from violent blows on the head rather than divulge anything.
The identification of Hiram Abif as Sequenere is based on the skull of the mummy, which appears to have been smashed by three sharp blows, similar to those dealt Hiram Abif. And the killers described in Masonic lore as the Juwes? Knight and Lomas suggest that they were two of Joseph's estranged brothers, Simeon and Levi, assisted by a young Thebian priest. As evidence, Knight and Lomas point to a mummy found alongside that of Sequenere. The unembalmed body was that of a young man who died with his genitals cut off and his face contorted in agony. Was he buried alive in punishment for his crime?
"Masonic ritual refers to Hiram Abif as the 'Son of the Widow'...In Egyptian legend the first Horus was uniquely conceived after his father's death and therefore his mother was a widow even before his conception. It seemed logical therefore that all those who thereafter became Horus, i.e. the kings of Egypt, would also describe themselves as 'Son of the Widow'." [See Isis, the Black Virgin for more information.]
- Christopher Knight & Robert Lomas, The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secret Scrolls of Jesus
[ Bericht 93% gewijzigd door merlin693 op 24-01-2006 12:28:48 ]
quote:..ik weleens heb gehoord dat de koets meerdere malen gesignaleerd was. En deze donkere koets, had een wapen op de zijkant. Dit wapen hield natuurlijk in dat het om een prins o.i.d. ging.
Tevens onderbouwd Merlin dit verhaal ook nog met wat hij schrijft, kon het zelf nog niet, maar klinkt allemaal best logisch.
quote:Frederick Bailey DeemingOp dinsdag 24 januari 2006 13:25 schreef Gebleekte het volgende:
Was er niet ook zo'n gozer die schreeuwde dat hij Jack the Ripper was vlak voordat tie werd onthoofd voor een ander misdrijf?
Frederick Bailey (also written Bayley) Deeming, born in 1842, was said to have had an unnaturally strong relationship with his mother. Upon her death in 1873, Deeming became emotionally distrought, and remained in such a state for quite some time afterward.
A seafaring man, Deeming one day fell prey to a severe attack of "brain fever" while on a voyage, and many contend that he never quite recovered from the trauma. On several occasions he is noted to have committed acts of a ludicrous nature and afterward claiming that his mother had told him to do so from beyond the grave.
Despite his emotional instability, Deeming met a woman during one voyage, eventually marrying and having four children by her.
Deeming was also quite well known for his criminal activities, and in 1887, while stationed in Australia, he was jailed for fourteen days under a charge of bankruptcy. It seems Deeming's particular expertise lay in fraud, since Australian police were known to have confronted him several times on such pretenses.
In 1888, Deeming moved his family to Capetown, South Africa, quickly earning the reputation of a cheat. He moved again to Johannesburg, where his moral actions grew no better.
Deciding it best for his family to move to England, he sent them to live in Merseyside. Deeming himself soon followed. They lived what seemed to be a relatively normal existence until it soon became apparent to neighbors that his family had disappeared. Deeming contended that his wife and children had simply "gone away."
Returning to Australia, Deeming soon remarried and again, his wife mysteriously disappeared. Also again, Deeming asserted to suspicious neighbors that she had gone abroad for business reasons. In Christmas of 1891, Deeming left the house.
A few months later, the owner of the house had begun to show prospective renters the lodgings, and when they would ask what the repugnant odor was in the dining room, the owner could offer no explanation. Once the neighbors told her of the disappearance of Mrs. Deeming, she called in the police to life the floor boards. There she lay, Deeming's second wife, her throat cut and her body in advanced stages of decomposition.
The police in Liverpool were notified to keep watch for Deeming, and upon lifting the floorboards of his house they similarly discovered his first wife and four children -- all five throats had been slashed.
Deeming was caught and arrested in March of 1892 in Perth, Western Australia.
Newspapers began publishing stories commenting that Deeming had been sighted in Whitechapel in 1888, and that he was furthermore seen to have purchased knives in the area. While in prison, Deeming told his fellow inmates that he was indeed Jack the Ripper, but never confessed to authorities.
Deeming contended that a venereal disease he had contracted during his many voyages had caused him to have eptileptic seizures and brain disease which caused him to kill. In court, he angrily stated to the jury that the press had already unfairly sealed his fate. Later, he stated that those present in the courtroom were "the ugliest race of people I've ever seen."
The jury took little more than an hour to find him guilty, and Deeming was hanged on Monday May 23rd, 1892.
The only two links Deeming may have had with the Whitechapel murders were (1) his insanity and (2) his method of killing his family. However, the press, in search of a scapegoat for the murders, hastily threw suspicion on Deeming, neglecting the fact that he was in South Africa at the time of the murders.
Nevertheless, for many years the death mask of Deeming was shown to visitors of New Scotland Yard as that of Jack the Ripper. Today, it is held in the famous Black Museum. Although few still contend that Deeming was a possible suspect, his notoriety in the case will forever be held by the following verse:
On the twenty-first of May,
Frederick Deeming passed away;
On the scaffold he did say --
"Ta-ra-da-boom-di-ay!"
"Ta-ra-da-boom-di-ay!"
This is a happy day,
An East End holiday,
The Ripper's gone away.
Just one final note -- in a theory so unwound by the evidence of conflicting dates, it is perhaps a play by the author of the poem to have written that it was "On the twenty-first of May" that Deeming died, when it was widely known that he actually died on the twenty-third.
de scene van de initiatie van de eerste graad in "From hell" is een exacte replica van de werkelijke initiatie
uit "The Hiram Key"