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  dinsdag 4 oktober 2005 @ 12:44:49 #26
94405 Tarak
Follow the white rabbit...
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quote:
Miers Opposed Repeal Of Anti-Gay Texas Sodomy Law



(Washington) A document signed by Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers when she was a candidate for Dallas City Council in 1989 surfaced Monday night and is raising concerns among LGBT civil rights advocates.

In it Miers says she believes that gay men and lesbians should have the same civil rights as non gay men and women but would oppose repeal of the Texas sodomy law. The law was later struck down by the US supreme Court (story) The sixth vote in the split ruling was by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, the judge Bush has nominated Miers to succeed.

Miers statements were made in response to a series of questions posed to all candidates for council by the Lesbian/Gay Coalition of Dallas. The coalition is no longer in existence. A copy of the questionnaire was provided to 365Gay.com Monday night by the Human Rights Campaign.

On HIV/AIDS issues Miers was asked if she believes the city has a responsibility to fund AIDS education and patient support services. She answered yes.
Asked if she would support raising the ceiling on the amount the city spends she also said yes, adding a caveat that it would depend on the available money in the city budget.

When asked if she would support a nondiscrimination ordinance to protect minorities including gays Miers hedged, replying that she believed it was an issue for the Texas legislature.

The form also asked if she sought the group's endorsement and checked off a box indicating no, although she agreed to attend a candidate screening session. The form was signed by Miers on March 28, 1989.

At the time Miers, like most Texans was a Democrat. In 1988 she was a contributor to Al Gore's first presidential campaign but later became a Republican and staunch Bush supporter.

Louise Young, a founding member of the Lesbian/Gay Coalition said she thought it odd that someone who was not seeking the group's endorsement would bother coming to a screening session.

"Usually, if you bothered to come, you wanted our endorsement," Young said Monday night. "She came to talk to us anyway. I thought that was very odd."

Although the document is 16 years old it does provide an indication of Miers' mindset on LGBT issues.

"The questionnaire raises a lot of questions," Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solmonese told 365Gay.com. "It heightens the need for Senators to be thorough and comprehensive in their questioning. This provides a road map of questioning for Senators."

"Its a very troubling document," Michael Adams, director of Education and Public Affairs at Lambda Legal told 365Gay.com.

"The fact is that Lambda Legal spent years trying to get rid of the Texas law so to see a statement from Harriet Miers supporting the law is troubling even if the statement is 16 years old. This certainly raises some specific questions and is going to add to the importance of her confirmation hearings."

On Monday, shortly after Bush announced Miers' nomination Lambda, HRC and other LGBT civil rights groups called for a full investigation of her positions as White House Counsel on gay issues, (story) including what advice she gave to the President on the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment that would ban same-sex marriage.

The mixed signals contained in the old questionnaire are more insightful than anything presented during John Roberts' nomination process for Chief Justice. Miers has never sat on the bench and does not have a judicial paper trail, but, Roberts who has been a judge has never ruled in an LGBT rights case.

Although Roberts provided pro bono legal advice on behalf of a gay group he has stated that as a lawyer it was his duty to advocate for a client whether or not he agreed with the client's position.

The White House refused to provide documents on what advice Roberts gave as a White House aide to either the first or second president Bush. It is expected the administration will refuse a similar request for documents concerning Miers.

Miers is 60 and has never married. If confirmed by the Republican-controlled Senate she would join Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg as the second woman on the nation's highest court and the third to serve there. Miers was the first woman to serve as president of the Texas State Bar and the Dallas Bar.

As president of the Texas State Bar in 1993, she was a leader in an effort to persuade the American Bar Association - the nation's largest lawyers' group - to reconsider its pro-abortion-rights stance.
Bron: http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/10/100405miers.htm

Tegenstander van het recht op abortus, qua visie op homorechten een beetje dubbel. Enerzijds voor gelijke rechten tussen homoseksuelen en heteroseksuelen anderszijds was ze niet tegen de "Texas sodomy law" die pas recent door Lawrence vs Texas neergesabeld werd door de Supreme Court (6-3). Met de vermelding dat de vragenlijst over gelijke rechten voor homoseksuelen al 16 jaar oud is, en mensen in zestien jaar van mening kunnen veranderen.
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
  dinsdag 4 oktober 2005 @ 12:55:11 #27
43493 numero_uno
Dat zei je ja!
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Op dinsdag 4 oktober 2005 12:44 schreef Tarak het volgende:

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Bron: http://www.365gay.com/newscon05/10/100405miers.htm

Tegenstander van het recht op abortus, qua visie op homorechten een beetje dubbel. Enerzijds voor gelijke rechten tussen homoseksuelen en heteroseksuelen anderszijds was ze niet tegen de "Texas sodomy law" die pas recent door Lawrence vs Texas neergesabeld werd door de Supreme Court (6-3). Met de vermelding dat de vragenlijst over gelijke rechten voor homoseksuelen al 16 jaar oud is, en mensen in zestien jaar van mening kunnen veranderen.
oftewel een bush zuigertje
- I'm buttwalking... is that a crime? -
-Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity-
  dinsdag 4 oktober 2005 @ 13:01:34 #28
94405 Tarak
Follow the white rabbit...
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Op dinsdag 4 oktober 2005 12:55 schreef numero_uno het volgende:

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oftewel een bush zuigertje
Dat doet geen recht aan haar staat van dienst.

Opvallend in bovengenoemde vragenlijst is dat zij aangeeft dat de wetgever over iets moet beslissen en niet de rechter. Dat lijkt erop dat zij een aanhanger is van de klassieke theorie over de functie van rechters. Ook wel logisch want ze is een conservatief en daar vind je meer aanhangers van deze visie.
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
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Opvallend dat ze net als Condoleeza Rice ongetrouwd is. Ze heeft wel een 'semi-romantische' vriendschap die reeds meer dan 30 jaar duurt:
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She hasn't said a lot, but you don't go to a church for 25 years if you're not comfortable with what they think," said Texas Supreme Court Justice Nathan Hecht of Austin, Texas, a church member who says he's shared a "semi-romantic" friendship with Miers for more than 30 years. "I'm sure she's consistent with the church's position."
semi-romantisch... zou ze op haar zestigste nog steeds in het handjes vasthouden stadium zitten?

En blijkbaar (hoe kan ook anders) diep gelovig. Ze hoort tot een groep van 200 parochieleden die vorige maand hun eigen kerk hebben opgericht.
quote:
Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers is among a group of congregants of a Dallas evangelical church who recently broke away due to differences over church rules and worship styles.

The group of about 200, led by former Valley View Christian Church pastor Ron Key, formed their own church about a month ago and have been meeting on Sundays at a hotel in Dallas.
Zo'n berichten doen me altijd denken aan Jim Jones of David Koresh
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John Roberts begint stevig in zijn nieuwe job: High Court Clashes Over Assisted Suicide
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Roberts, 50, was presiding over his first major oral argument and thrust himself in the middle of the debate. Over and over he raised concerns that states could undermine federal regulation of addictive drugs. He interrupted Oregon Senior Assistant Attorney General Robert Atkinson in his first minute, then asked more than a dozen more tough questions

"I was wondering if the new chief would hold back and wouldn't ruffle other people's feathers. It appears clear he's not waiting for anything or anyone," said Neil Siegel, a law professor at Duke University and a former Supreme Court clerk.
  donderdag 6 oktober 2005 @ 17:43:25 #31
37676 freako
Onverbeterlijke optimist
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Op woensdag 5 oktober 2005 22:56 schreef Doderok het volgende:

Zo'n berichten doen me altijd denken aan Jim Jones of David Koresh
Kerkscheuringen zijn onder protestanten doodnormaal, en ze kunnen om de meest onbenullige redenen optreden. In de Nederlandse bible belt zijn er ook genoeg kerkgenootschappen die ergens in een achterafzaaltje samenkomen. Dan heeft er zich weer een groepje afgescheiden omdat de dominee naar hun mening een bijbelvers verkeerd interpreteerde.
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Ze krijgt inmiddels meer kritiek dan haar meeste voorgangers:
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in just three weeks, her nomination has provoked a range of opposition that some scholars say may have no modern precedent.

"I would be very hard pressed to think of a good historical analogy," Richard Baker, the Senate historian, said. "I don't think there is one."

Though past nominees have faced swift opposition, what makes Ms. Miers's nomination extraordinary, historians say, is the combination of doubts about her philosophy from within the president's own party and attacks on her legal qualifications from both sides of the aisle.
Miers Gets Criticisms Rare for Nominees to Court

Bush weigert materiaal vrij te geven over adviezen die hij in het Witte Huis van Miers gekregen heeft. Zijn argument: Mensen moeten zich vrij voelen te kunnen zeggen: "Mr de president, dit is mijn advies" zonder bezorgd te hoeven zijn dat dit later openbaar gemaakt kan worden. Een aantal senatoren zowel langs democratische als republikeinse kant zijn het daar niet mee eens, zij stellen dat Bush dit had kunnen voorzien toen hij Miers als kandidaat koos.
quote:
Last week, Mr. Specter joined Senator Patrick J. Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, in criticizing Ms. Miers as failing to answer adequately a Senate questionnaire - a move Mr. Leahy later called "unprecedented." The two senators sent her a letter demanding that by Wednesday of this week she provide documents from her White House work as well as information about what her friends and colleagues have told conservatives on her behalf.

Two other Republicans on the committee, Senator Sam Brownback of Kansas and Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, are also supporting the request. "We need to have that full picture before we can vote," Mr. Brownback said on "Fox News Sunday." Being asked to provide this type of information "is almost a risk they assume when you nominate a candidate that's from inside the White House," he said.
Intussen zijn conservatieve groepen met een website tegen Miers gestart:
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Conservative groups like the Third Branch Conference, Eagle Forum, and Center for Military Readiness are now organizing efforts to force Miers' withdrawal, including starting a Web site: http://www.withdrawmiers.org.
www.withdrawmiers.org
Vanaf de homepage kan je anonieme tips over Miers' nominatie submitten
Op de site wordt verder gesuggereerd dat het Witte Huis de terugtrekking van Meirs' kandidatuur aan het voorbereiden is.
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White House senior staff are starting to ask outside people, saying, 'We're not discussing pulling out her nomination, but if we were to, do you have any advice as to how we should do it?' " a conservative Republican with ties to the White House told The Washington Times yesterday.
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Ze heeft haar kandidatuur ingetrokken.

Probleem opgelost, topic mag op slot
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En logisch, dit soort vriendjespolitiek kon zelfs volgens veel republikeinen niet door de beugel.

Wat een afgang voor Bush.
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Op donderdag 27 oktober 2005 19:54 schreef Ulx het volgende:
En logisch, dit soort vriendjespolitiek kon zelfs volgens veel republikeinen niet door de beugel.

Wat een afgang voor Bush.
Lijkt me ook, mar er gebeurt daar zoveel dat men deze flater alweer vlug vergeten is, het is gelukkig goed afgelopen.
Yeah baby Yeah!
  donderdag 27 oktober 2005 @ 23:37:31 #36
43624 Martijn_77
It was a good year
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quote:
Op donderdag 27 oktober 2005 16:22 schreef Doderok het volgende:
Ze heeft haar kandidatuur ingetrokken.
Bron?
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you wanted
Take my advice ... I don't use it anyway...
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Een goede Fok! Search
  Moderator vrijdag 28 oktober 2005 @ 01:20:15 #37
1212 crew  Mike
Excellent!
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Op donderdag 27 oktober 2005 23:37 schreef Martijn_77 het volgende:

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Bron?
Bv CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2005/P(...)minations/index.html
In some matters there's no reality, only perception. Truth exists, but people have a vested interest in not knowing it.
  Moderator vrijdag 28 oktober 2005 @ 01:22:37 #38
1212 crew  Mike
Excellent!
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Er is eigenlijk weinig aandacht voor deze zaak. In Amerika is dit echt het gesprek van de maand.

Voor Bush is dit natuurlijk een ongelofelijke afgang en een zoveelste tegenslag in de afgelopen weken. Het is echt niet normaal zoveel als er de laatste maanden fout gaat in de Republikeinse partij. Gelukkig worden ze er nu ook eens voor aangepakt.
In some matters there's no reality, only perception. Truth exists, but people have a vested interest in not knowing it.
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