Monumenten: Deel 6, Gerd Müller

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Op zaterdag 5 november 2005 20:17 schreef fanneke het volgende:

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Was je nuchter Tong, toen je dit berichtje typte?

Vergelijk hun stistieken eens. De een was mooier omn te zien maar de ander was zo gruwlijk efficient.

En ook niet lelijk om te zien trouwens.

Bayern heeft Gerd wel enorm goed opgevangen na z'n carriere. Het dreigde helemaal mis te gaan met hem. (drank)

Dus je kent je klassiekers wel

Dat weer wel ja.

Je rijt weer een heleboel oude wonden open met dit topic Tong.
Ik had deze klootzak bijna helemaal uit mijn herinneringen gewist...

Het is nu eenmaal de beste spits ooit Fanneke

Romario was beter als hij zin had

Dat 'als hij zin had' is hypothetisch en doet er niet toe. Hij zou er nooit zoveel gescoord hebben als Gerd. Die was in de zestien een koning.

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Op zondag 6 november 2005 00:26 schreef fernando_redondo het volgende:
Romario was beter als hij zin had

Heel ander type spits.
Niet vergelijkbaar.
Gerd (der Bomber) had de eigenschap overal steeds op de juiste plaats te staan voor een intikker a la Van Nistelrooy, Romario had soms briljante individuele acties.

Ik heb Müller destijds zo vaak vervloekt als ie er bij Bayern of in der Manschaft tegen een club van ons weer eentje inlegde.

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Op zondag 6 november 2005 00:52 schreef -Vaduz- het volgende:
Dat 'als hij zin had' is hypothetisch en doet er niet toe. Hij zou er nooit zoveel gescoord hebben als Gerd. Die was in de zestien een koning.

Romario heeft 700 goals

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Op zondag 6 november 2005 00:55 schreef fernando_redondo het volgende:

Romario heeft 700 goals

Onzin. Of reken je zijn amateur- en jeugdteams mee?

Nee, profcarriere

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Op zondag 6 november 2005 01:01 schreef fernando_redondo het volgende:
Nee, profcarriere

618 wedstrijden en 494 goals dus volgens de database van VI.

Andere statistieken geven VI gelijk.

Romario reaches 831 goals

Posted: Friday April 12, 2002 3:20 PM


RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) -- Now, Romario only has Pele to beat.

The Vasco striker scored his 831st goal this week, matching the career total of retired all-star Zico. Only Pele, with 1,281 goals, has more.

Goal No. 831 came Wednesday on a penalty kick that gave Vasco a 1-0 victory over Sao Paulo in the opening quarterfinal match of the Rio-Sao Paulo tournament.

If Pele remains a distant target, the 36-year-old Romario shows no signs of slowing down. His 21 goals led the league last year, and he is third in the Rio-Sao Paulo tournament with 13.

"I still have the objective of reaching 1,000 goals, but overtaking Pele is a lot more difficult," Romario said in an interview on Pele's web site, www.pele.net.

The milestone revived a long-standing debate over which player was better, Zico or Romario.

Romario's supporters note that he reached the 831-goal mark in just 880 games, while it took Zico 1,176. Zico's defenders point out that the Flamengo star was essentially a playmaker, while Romario's job was always simply putting the ball in the net.

"It's not because one player has scored or will score more goals that he's better," veteran coach Mario Zagallo told the Rio daily O Globo. "Zico was a player of international renown and a great human being. He is hors concours."

Former all-star defender Nilton Santos took the other side.

"Romario is exceptional," he was quoted as saying. "When Zico played, he was my favorite. Today, however, I prefer Romario."

Brazil's coach Luiz Felipe Scolari apparently remains unswayed by the achievement. He has resisted a national campaign to bring back Romario for this summer's World Cup, leaving him off the team for a warmup game with Portugal next Wednesday.


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Dus toch blijkbaar zijn amateurgoals erbij gerekend.

Niet dus

Dit gaat al helemaal niet Muller meer, maar ik vind dit geen overtuigend bewijs met betrekking tot de goals van Romario.

Fifa dan volgens Wikpedia

Romário is the 2nd highest scorer in the history of professional football, being surpassed only by Pelé. On March 23, 2005 scored his 900th goal (official FIFA count).

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Op zondag 6 november 2005 01:43 schreef -Vaduz- het volgende:
Dit gaat al helemaal niet Muller meer, maar ik vind dit geen overtuigend bewijs met betrekking tot de goals van Romario.

Je hebt gelijk. Laten we het maar weer over der Bomber hebben, die slechts weinigen op Fok! in het echt hebben zien spelen en scoren.

Oke, prima. Dan gaan we het nu weer over Gerd hebben hier.

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Op zondag 6 november 2005 01:45 schreef golfer het volgende:

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Je hebt gelijk. Laten we het maar weer over der Bomber hebben, die slechts weinigen op Fok! in het echt hebben zien spelen en scoren.

Heb jij hem in het stadion zien spelen dan?

Gerd Müller
Personal Data

Name: Gerd
Surname: Müller
Date of Birth: 03 Nov 1945
Birth Place: Noerdlingen (Germany)
Height: 176 cm
Weight: 80 kg


Career

Position: Centre-forward
Clubs: Nordlingen (1963-64), Bayern Munich (1964-79), Fort Lauderdale (USA/1979-81)
International appearances: 62
International goals: 68 (German record)
International debut: 12/10/1966, Turkey-West Germany (2-0)
Last international appearance: 07/07/1974, West Germany-Holland (2-1)
First international goal: 08/054/1967 West Germany-Albania (6-0)
Last international goal: 07/07/1974 West Germany - Holland (2-1)


World Cup
Appearances: 2 (1970, 1974), 13 matches, 14 goals

Winner (1974), 3rd (1970)

World Cup all-time top scorer (14 goals)

Top Scorer 1970 (10 goals)

European Championship
Winner (1972)

Top Scorer (1972)

European Cup
Winner (1974, 1975, 1976)

European Cup Winners' Cup
Winner (1967)

Intercontinental Cup
Winner (1976)

German Championship
Winner (1969, 1972, 1973, 1974)

West German Cup
Winner (1966, 1967, 1969, 1971)

Other Honours
European Footballer of the Year (Ballon d'Or) (1970)

European Top Scorer (Golden Boot) (1970/38 goals, 1972/40 goals)

West German League top scorer (1967, 1969, 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1978)

Biography

The Bomber


West German forward Gerd Müller kicks the ball past East German defender Konrad Weise (4) as forward Martin Hoffmann looks on during the World Cup first round match between East Germany and West Germany 22 June 1974 in Hamburg. East Germany won 1-0 on a goal by forward Juergen Sparwasser. AFP PHOTO
Gerd Muller was an old-fashioned centre-forward of awesome efficiency whose skill and opportunism enabled him to become one of the most distinguished forwards in the history of the game.


West German forward Gerd Mueller (R) scores on a header past Australian goalkeeper Jack Reilly and defender Doug Utjesenovic during the World Cup first round soccer match between West Germany and Australia 18 June 1974 in Hamburg. West Germany beat Australia 3-0.
He scored 14 goals in two World Cups, a record which still stands, and in the German League he was no less productive, putting away 365 goals in 472 games.

But if that sounds impressive, then the statistic of 68 goals for West Germany in 62 international appearances almost calls for a verification of the statistics.

No wonder his fans called him "The Bomber".

The German, who was born in Nordlingen in northern Bavaria had made an unspectacular start in football, having been rejected early in his career by Bayern Munich after coaches decided the 18-year old was "too fat and slow".

Innate

But as Muller began to amass a hatful of goals with Nordlingen, Bayern were forced to re-assess their decision and in 1964 ate humble pie and signed him.


West German forward Gerd Mueller (C, white jersey) manages, while on the ground, to kick the ball in the net to score a goal as Yugoslav goalkeeper Enver Maric (L) and defender Josip Katalinski watch during the World Cup final round soccer match between West Germany and Yugoslavia 26 June 1974 in Dusseldorf. West Germany won 2-0. AFP PHOTO/DPA
He helped Bayern Munich to an unprecedented run of success in the German League that established their supremacy, winning four German Cups, four German championships and a Cup Winners' Cup in 1967.

With Sepp Maier, Paul Breitner and Franz Beckenbauer, Muller formed a "dream team" in the early 1970s.

Broken hearts


West German forward Gerhard Müller (R) celebrates after scoring the winning goal in the extra time period past English goalkeeper Peter Bonetti (L) in the World Cup quarterfinal soccer match between West Germany and England 14 June 1970 in Leon. West Germany beat England 3-2 to advance to the semifinals. (At the end of regulation time, the score was tied at 2) AFP PHOTO
Muller broke English hearts in the quarter-finals of the 1970 World Cup in Mexico by brilliantly poaching a late goal to complete West Germany's extraordinary fightback and victory in the match (3-2).

He scored 10 goals in 6 matches in that tournament (West Germany reached the semi-finals), including a hat-trick against Bulgaria, before helping West Germany to their European Championship triumph two years later.

Things got even better in 1974 when West Germany continued their outstanding international form by defeating Holland 2-1 in the World Cup final in the Olympic stadium in Munich, with Muller scoring the winner.

He savoured European Cup wins in three consecutive years between 1974 and 1976 with Bayern, taking the club to heights where previously only Real Madrid had been able to survive.

Decline

However, a run-in with the West German football Federation (which led to his decision not to play for the West German team again) and persistent back injuries undermined his phenomenal progress.

As the inevitable decline set in, he saw his chance in the lucrative North American soccer league and signed for Fort Lauderdale in Florida, where he teamed up with other fading stars like George Best.

Opening a bar in the city was nearly his downfall - the long and avuncular arm of the Bayern Munich family had to come to his rescue after he found himself with serious alcohol problems.

Bayern took him under their wing and he became a technical assistant to the second team, whose strikers no doubt hoped that just a little of Muller's glorious ability (photo)rubbed off on them.

Een van de beste spitsen ooit. Hulde.

En wie boeit het wat of hij nou minder techniek had dan een of ander Braziliaans showpikkie? Gaat erom dat de bal in het net belandt, en dat deed lukte hem HEEL vaak.

Die ene opmerking is natuurlijk een beetje gechargeerd.

Maar goed, het gaat dus om het rendement.