| aa | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 19:51 |
| Al meerdere keren werd Bin Laden (en zijn groepering) verantwoordelijk gesteld voor de aanslagen in de VS. Bin Laden, is al jaren bezig aanslagen uit te voeren op (o.a.) Amerikaanse doelen, en laat ook geregeld weten dat de VS zijn belangrijkste objectief is. Geciteerd de tekst van de FBI 'Ten Most Wanted Fugitives' lijst: quote: | |
| the_undertaker | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 19:51 |
| ging op een soortgelijk topic net niet een slotje? | |
| yvonne | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 19:56 |
quote:Heel misschien kan hier een discussie ontstaan over historie en achtergronden van deze heer. | |
| BobRooney | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 19:59 |
| Die gast is straks geschiedenis..... | |
| Molrops | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:00 |
quote:lijkt me niet | |
| aa | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:04 |
quote:Bron: ABC News Url: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/terrormain980610.html [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door aa op 11-09-2001 20:25] | |
| Uiruru | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:04 |
| Waarom is hij zo gebrand op Amerika? Iedereen zegt dat hij een miljonair is, hoe is hij dat geworden? | |
| Witchfynder | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:05 |
quote:"heer"? | |
| PocketRocket | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:10 |
| Het schijnt dat ie een paar weken terug uitspraken gedaan heeft die nogal in de richting van enorme aanslagen op Amerika zouden duiden .... | |
| Witchfynder | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:23 |
| Net zeiden ze op SBS dat zijn familie rijk in geworden met het bouwen van moskeeën in Saudi-Arabië. | |
| Alcoholicus | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:28 |
quote:Zijn vader was een rijke aannemer of zoiets. | |
| yvonne | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:32 |
quote:Ironie, mijn beste Watson , ironie. | |
| yvonne | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:34 |
quote: | |
| aa | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:35 |
quote:Ja, maar die uitspraken doet hij elke paar weken. | |
| aa | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:43 |
quote:Bron: www.nosnieuws.nl [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door aa op 11-09-2001 20:54] | |
| Nutcase | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 20:53 |
| De Amerikaanse overheid heeft recent nog een Algerijnse groepering ontmaskerd die verband houdt met Osama Bin Laden. Deze groepering is met heel veel geluk ontmaskerd. De FBI had een van de leden aangehouden en die heeft toen de rest verlinkt. Op die manier wist de FBI de rest aan te houden, maar als die persoon z'n mond had gehouden dan had die groepering ook een grote aanslag gepleegd... De commentator op CNN zei het zo: "It's harsh to say, but I think this is the day that the United States ran out of luck" | |
| terroff | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 21:03 |
| Niet lollig, dank je. [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door yvonne op 11-09-2001 21:16] | |
| terroff | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 21:24 |
| Hardnekkig mannetje ben je [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door yvonne op 11-09-2001 21:44] | |
| Witchfynder | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 23:55 |
quote:Huh? | |
| I.M.Weazel | dinsdag 11 september 2001 @ 23:59 |
| ook al niet leuk [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door yvonne op 12-09-2001 07:36] | |
| #ANONIEM | woensdag 12 september 2001 @ 11:31 |
quote:Hij is de 17e zoon van een rijke Saudische sjeik, die zijn fortuin vergaard heeft met de bouw van grote moskeeën in diverse Arabische landen. Het familiekapitaal schijnt ie er inmiddels doorheen gejaagd te hebben, maar hij krijjgt veel geld binnen van sympathisanten. | |
| Hiroller | woensdag 12 september 2001 @ 11:54 |
quote:En ook via drugshandel werd gisteren op een nieuwsuitzending gemeld... | |
| Vahlto_II | woensdag 12 september 2001 @ 16:23 |
quote:Zo goed als de hele Afgaanse economie drijft op de teelt, verwerking en verkoop van opium/heroïne. | |
| Witchfynder | woensdag 12 september 2001 @ 16:24 |
| En nu wordt Bin Laden misschien uitgeleverd door de Taliban. Tja, de Taliban wil ook geen raketten op de kop he? | |
| Vahlto_II | woensdag 12 september 2001 @ 16:30 |
quote:nou ja, ze zijn het zo langzamerhand gewend... Er is trouwens een gerucht dat de Afgaanse rebellenleider Masud overleden zou zijn. | |
| Witchfynder | woensdag 12 september 2001 @ 17:38 |
| Oh..uhm..waar stond die qua politieke overtuigingen? | |
| Mza | woensdag 12 september 2001 @ 18:20 |
quote:Echt typisch dat mensen die een ongelofelijke hekel aan drugs hebben zulke belangrijke producenten zijn. Maar ze schijnen dan ook niets te gebruiken en alleen te verkopen en ze zullen wel denken het doel heiligt de middelen. Aangezien al het vermogen van Bin Laden van sympathisanten en drugs komen denk ik niet dat het veel zou uitmaken als hij vermoordt zou worden. Het geld en het netwerk blijven er immers nog steeds. | |
| Snof | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 09:37 |
quote:De drugshandel kunnen ze makkelijk goedpraten, omdat deze vnl naar het rijke westen wordt geeporteerd. Dat deze zichzielf verwoesten met drugs is voor hen alleen maar een leuke bijkomstigheid. Als Bin LAden zou worden opgepakt of vermoord heb je denk ik wel de angel uit de organisatie gehaald. Vooral mensen die in staat zijn hun eigen leven te geven voor de 'goede' zaak hebben een sterk en charismatisch leider nodig. Zo iemand is niet zo snel vervangen. Natuurlijk zullen er splintergroeperingen blijven bestaan, maar zo grootschalig als Bin Laden het aanpakt (zeker als hij voor de afgelopen dagen verantwoordelijk is) zal niet zo snel opgepakt worden door een ander. | |
| 6000068 | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 09:49 |
| Ik denk niet dat ze hem pakken hoor.. heb je de kaart van afganistan wel eens gezien? De russen hebben ook behoorlijk huisgehouden daar in die bergen... maar geloof me... als je daar zit... op die plek op de aarde.... onder de grond... en je hebt je geld verdiend met bouwen... nou.. dan wordt je dus ECHT niet gevonden he!
Odigo ID 5909816 5 million dollar als je hem zo gek kan praten dat ie bij je op de koffie komt | |
| #ANONIEM | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 11:37 |
| Misschien is het niet nodig hem te gaan vinden. De Afghaanse ambassadeur in Pakistan schijnt aangegeven te hebben dat men met de VS wil praten over uitlevering van Bin Laden. Kennelijk gaan dit soort aanslagen toch ook voor hen te ver. | |
| Vahlto_II | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 12:52 |
| Het gevaar is natuurlijk als die bin Laden een tulbandje kleiner is gemaakt, dat hij dan als Grote Martelaar voor de Moeder der Moeders van de Oorlogen der Oorlogen (en daarvan weer de moeder) wordt gezien, en dat mensen dan in zijn naam nóg fanatieker, met een kompas in de hand, alles in het westen zullen willen vernietigen. Een argument vóór de verdelging van deze kakkerlak is dat hij een nogal rijke en ook slimme kakkerlak is, die met de macht die hij in handen heeft veel kan aanrichten, zoals wij wellicht gezien hebben. | |
| Vahlto_II | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 12:54 |
quote:We kunnen natuurlijk ook naar het TV-programma 'Spoorloos' schrijven. | |
| yvonne | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 20:33 |
| Who is Osama Bin Laden? Osama Bin Laden is both one of the CIA's most wanted men, and a hero for many young people in the Arab world. Shadowy figure Mr Bin Laden, an immensely wealthy and private man, has been granted a safe haven by Afghanistan's ruling Taleban movement. During his time in hiding, he has called for a holy war against the US, and for the killing of Americans and Jews. He is reported to be able to rally around him up to 3,000 fighters. He is also suspected of helping to set up Islamic training centres to prepare soldiers to fight in Chechnya and other parts of the former Soviet Union. Sponsored by US and Pakistan His power is founded on a personal fortune earned by his family's construction business in Saudi Arabia. Attacks linked to Bin Laden The Afghan jihad was backed with American dollars and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. He received security training from the CIA itself, according to Middle Eastern analyst Hazhir Teimourian. While in Afghanistan, he founded the Maktab al-Khidimat (MAK), which recruited fighters from around the world and imported equipment to aid the Afghan resistance against the Soviet army. Egyptians, Lebanese, Turks and others - numbering thousands in Mr Bin Laden's estimate - joined their Afghan Muslim brothers in the struggle against an ideology that spurned religion. Turned against the US After the Soviet withdrawal, the "Arab Afghans", as Mr Bin Laden's faction came to be called, turned their fire against the US and its allies in the Middle East. Mr Bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia to work in the family construction business, but was expelled in 1991 because of his anti-government activities there. He spent the next five years in Sudan until US pressure prompted the Sudanese Government to expel him, whereupon Mr Bin Laden returned to Afghanistan. Terrorism experts say Mr Bin Laden has been using his millions to fund attacks against the US. The US State Department calls him "one of the most significant sponsors of Islamic extremist activities in the world today". According to the US, Mr Bin Laden was involved in at least three major attacks - the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the 1996 killing of 19 US soldiers in Saudi Arabia, and the 1998 bombings in Kenya and Tanzania. Islamic front BBC correspondent James Robbins says Mr Bin Laden had "all but admitted involvement" in the Saudi Arabia killings. Some experts say he is part of an international Islamic front, bringing together Saudi, Egyptian and other groups. Their rallying cry is the liberation of Islam's three holiest places - Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem. The few outsiders who have met Osama Bin Laden describe him as modest, almost shy. He rarely gives interviews. He is believed to be in his 40s, and to have at least three wives. | |
| yvonne | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 20:35 |
| Terror groups hide behind Web encryption By Jack Kelley, USA TODAY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A terrorist's tool Once the exclusive domain of the National Security Agency, the super-secret U.S. agency responsible for developing and cracking electronic codes, encryption has become the everyday tool of Muslim extremists in Afghanistan, Albania, Britain, Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines, Syria, the USA, the West Bank and Gaza and Yemen, U.S. officials say. It's become so fundamental to the operations of these groups that bin Laden and other Muslim extremists are teaching it at their camps in Afghanistan and Sudan, they add. "There is a tendency out there to envision a stereotypical Muslim fighter standing with an AK-47 in barren Afghanistan," says Ben Venzke, director of special intelligence projects for iDEFENSE, a cyberintelligence and risk management company based in Fairfax, Va. "But Hamas, Hezbollah and bin Laden's groups have very sophisticated, well-educated people. Their technical equipment is good, and they have the bright, young minds to operate them," he said. U.S. officials say bin Laden's organization, al-Qaida, uses money from Muslim sympathizers to purchase computers from stores or by mail. Bin Laden's followers download easy-to-use encryption programs from the Web, officials say, and have used the programs to help plan or carry out three of their most recent plots: Wadih El Hage, one of the suspects in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in East Africa, sent encrypted e-mails under various names, including "Norman" and "Abdus Sabbur," to "associates in al Qaida," according to the Oct. 25, 1998, U.S. indictment against him. Hage went on trial Monday in federal court in New York. Messages in dots U.S. officials and militant Muslim groups say terrorists began using encryption — which scrambles data and then hides the data in existing images — about five years ago. But the groups recently increased its use after U.S. law enforcement authorities revealed they were tapping bin Laden's satellite telephone calls from his base in Afghanistan and tracking his activities. "It's brilliant," says Ahmed Jabril, spokesman for the militant group Hezbollah in London. "Now it's possible to send a verse from the Koran, an appeal for charity and even a call for jihad and know it will not be seen by anyone hostile to our faith, like the Americans." Extremist groups are not only using encryption to disguise their e-mails but their voices, too, Attorney General Janet Reno told a presidential panel on terrorism last year, headed by former CIA director John Deutsch. Encryption programs also can scramble telephone conversations when the phones are plugged into a computer. "In the future, we may tap a conversation in which the terrorist discusses the location of a bomb soon to go off, but we will be unable to prevent the terrorist act when we cannot understand the conversation," Reno said. Here's how it works: Each image, whether a picture or a map, is created by a series of dots. Inside the dots are a string of letters and numbers that computers read to create the image. A coded message or another image can be hidden in those letters and numbers. They're hidden using free encryption Internet programs set up by privacy advocacy groups. The programs scramble the messages or pictures into existing images. The images can only be unlocked using a "private key," or code, selected by the recipient, experts add. Otherwise, they're impossible to see or read. "You very well could have a photograph and image with the time and information of an attack sitting on your computer, and you would never know it," Venzke says. "It will look no different than a photograph exchanged between two friends or family members." U.S. officials concede it's difficult to intercept, let alone find, encrypted messages and images on the Internet's estimated 28 billion images and 2 billion Web sites. Even if they find it, the encrypted message or image is impossible to read without cracking the encryption's code. A senior Defense Department mathematician says cracking a code often requires lots of time and the use of a government supercomputer. It's no wonder the FBI wants all encryption programs to file what amounts to a "master key" with a federal authority that would allow them, with a judge's permission, to decrypt a code in a case of national security. But civil liberties groups, which offer encryption programs on the Web to further privacy, have vowed to fight it. Officials say the Internet has become the modern version of the "dead drop," a slang term describing the location where Cold War-era spies left maps, pictures and other information. But unlike the "dead drop," the Internet, U.S. officials say, is proving to be a much more secure way to conduct clandestine warfare. "Who ever thought that sending encrypted streams of data across the Internet could produce a map on the other end saying 'this is where your target is' or 'here's how to kill them'?" says Paul Beaver, spokesman for Jane's Defense Weekly in London, which reports on defense and cyberterrorism issues. "And who ever thought it could be done with near perfect security? The Internet has proven to be a boon for terrorists." | |
| yvonne | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 20:38 |
| Wednesday, 12 September, 2001, 11:57 GMT 12:57 UK Bin Laden extradition raised A leading spokesman for Afghanistan's ruling Taleban militia has said it would consider extraditing terror suspect Osama Bin Laden based on US evidence. The Taleban ambassador to neighbouring Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, said, when asked about Mr Bin Laden's possible extradition, that the first step would be to discuss any US evidence. I support the attacks because they constitute a reaction of the oppressed people against the atrocities of the cruel "If any evidence is presented to us, we will study it," he told reporters. "About his handover, we can talk about that in the second phase," Mr Zaeef said. BBC World Affairs editor John Simpson says the ruling militia has consistently maintained that allowing Mr Bin Laden to remain in the country was a matter of honour. A reversal could mean that Afghanistan's leaders are trying to rescue themselves from an all out, massive attack by American forces. Mr Bin Laden has denied involvement in the attacks on the United States, but says he fully supports such "daring acts". Attacks US investigators blame Mr Bin Laden for the car bombings that killed 224 people at the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and last year's bomb attack on the USS Cole at a harbour in Yemen, which killed 17 US sailors. He has repeatedly denounced the United States for sending troops to Arab countries and for its support of Israel. But in a statement apparently sent from somewhere in Afghanistan and published by a Pakistani newspaper considered close to Mr bin Laden, the Saudi dissident has been quoted as saying that even if he was eliminated, such attacks were not going to stop. He was reported to have praised what he called the courage of the suicide attackers, and thanked God.
The United States would get nothing out of eliminating one Osama, the paper quoted him as saying, " as there were several Osamas". He said dozens of known fighters and other experts were with him and were willing to give their lives for what he described as a "noble cause".
"There is no one else that has the flair for terrorism and his men have targeted the World Trade Center before." | |
| yvonne | donderdag 13 september 2001 @ 20:41 |
| USAMA BIN LADEN: AN INDICTED CRIMINAL, NOT A HERO Usama bin Laden has repeatedly declared war on the U.S. and endorsed the murder of U.S. citizens. For this reason, some of his admirers consider bin Laden a hero. Usama bin Laden is not a hero. According to international standards of law and morality, anyone who incites violence against an entire people, especially for ideological reasons, is a criminal. August 1996 Declaration of War On or about August 23, 1996, Usama bin Laden signed and issued a Declaration of jihad (holy war) from Afghanistan entitled, "Message from Usama bin Laden to his Muslim Brothers in the Whole World and Especially in the Arabian Peninsula: Declaration of Jihad Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Mosques; Expel the Heretics from the Arabian Peninsula." February 1998 Fatwa Against American Citizens In February 1998, Usama bin Laden and his close associate, Ayman al Zawahiri, endorsed a fatwa under the banner of the "International Islamic Front for Jihad on the Jews and Crusaders." This fatwa, published in the newspaper, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, on February 23, 1998, stated that Muslims should kill Americans - including civilians - anywhere in the world where they can be found. May 1998 Fatwa On or about May 7, 1998, bin Laden associate Mohammed Atef sent Khaled al Fawwaz a letter discussing the endorsement by bin Laden of a fatwa issued by the "Ulema Union of Afghanistan" which termed the U.S. army the "enemies of Islam" and declared jihad against the U.S. and its followers. The fatwa was subsequently published in Al-Quds Al-Arabi. Bin Laden Endorses the Nuclear Bomb of Islam On or about May 29, 1998, bin Laden issued a statement entitled "The Nuclear Bomb of Islam," under the banner of the "International Islamic Front for Fighting the Jews and Crusaders," in which he stated that "it is the duty of Muslims to prepare as much force as possible to terrorize the enemies of God." (end text)
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