CL 2004/2005 Poule C (Ajax)

Ik heb alle scenario's tot en met matchday 5 hieronder op een rijtje, ik heb het ge copy/paste van mijn eigen post op een Juventus forum.

Possible scenario's after the next fixtures in our group seen in a Ajax-perspective(this is going to be VERY long, but all the scenario's will be posted up to Matchday 5 or it will be TOO many:

Remaining matches:

Maccabi Tel-Aviv - Ajax
Juventus - Ajax
Ajax - Bayern

Bayern - Juventus
Bayern - Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Ajax- Bayern

Bayern - Juventus
Juventus - Ajax
Maccabi Tel-Aviv - Juventus

Maccabi Tel-Aviv - Ajax
Bayern - Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Maccabi Tel-Aviv - Juventus

Current Standing:

Juventus 9 points (Goals For: 3) (Goals Against: 0)
Bayern 6 points (Goals For: 5) (Goals Against: 1)
Ajax 3 points (Goals For: 3) (Goals Against: 5)
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points (Goals For: 0) (Goals Against: 5)

If Ajax wins against Maccabi and Juve wins against Bayern in Matchday 4, goal saldo not counted:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 6 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 9 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Ajax 9 points
Bayern 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Ajax 9 points
Bayern 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Ajax 7 points
Bayern 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 6 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax wins against Maccabi and Juve draws against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 9 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Ajax 9 points
Bayern 8 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Ajax 9 points
Bayern 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 8 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 8 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax wins against Maccabi and Juve loses against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 9 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 12 points
Juventus 9 points
Ajax 9 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 10 points
Juventus 9 points
Ajax 9 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 9 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 9 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 12 points
Juventus 10 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 12 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 0 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Maccabi and Juve wins against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 6 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Ajax 7 points
Bayern 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 6 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 6 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax drawsagainst Maccabi and Juve draws against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi 1 point

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 8 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 8 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 8 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Maccabi and Juve loses against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 9 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 12 points
Juventus 9 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 10 points
Juventus 9 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 9 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 12 points
Juventus 10 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 point

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 5 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 12 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 2 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax loses against Maccabi and Juve wins against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 6 points
Ajax 3 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 6 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 9 oints
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points
Ajax 4 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 3 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points
Ajax 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 15 points
Bayern 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points
Ajax 3 points

If Ajax loses against Maccabi and Juve draws against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 3 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 8 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 7 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 8 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 11 points
Bayern 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points
Ajax 4 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 3 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 8 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points
Ajax 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 13 points
Bayern 7 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points
Ajax 3 points

If Ajax loses against Maccabi and Juve loses against Bayern in Matchday 4:

Juventus 9 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 3 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

To go further with this coloured scenario:

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 12 points
Juventus 9 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 10 points
Juventus 9 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax wins against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 9 points
Bayern 9 points
Ajax 6 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Bayern 12 points
Juventus 10 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 10 points
Ajax 4 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points

If Ajax draws against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 10 points
Bayern 9 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points
Ajax 4 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern wins against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 12 points
Ajax 3 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern draws against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 10 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 4 points
Ajax 3 points

If Ajax loses against Juventus and Bayern loses against Maccabi in Matchday 5:

Juventus 12 points
Bayern 9 points
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 6 points
Ajax 3 points

Conclusion, if Ajax wins against Maccabi and if Bayern loses or draws, Ajax still have chance to advance to the 2nd round. It will be hard for Juventus not to qualify, they have to lose at least 2 matches from now on to eventually not be qualified for the 2nd round.

Kortom, je vertelt met heel veel woorden en in het Engels wat sommige anderen hier eerder al bondig in het Nederlands schreven?

Ik zou bijna zeggen krijg een leven .

ik ga dat niet allemaal lezen

quote:

Op vrijdag 22 oktober 2004 15:57 schreef Max-Westerman het volgende:
Net de aanvraag voor een SCC op de bus gedaan

ik gok dat ze die aanvraag honoreren

Hup Juve

Juventus - Ajax
Bayern - Tel Aviv

Beetje vreemde situatie voor Ajax met betrekking tot de wedstrijd in Munchen. Zou Tel Aviv winnen ligt de weg naar de volgende ronde CL open, maar komt een eventuele vierde plek ook dichter bij.

quote:

Op woensdag 3 november 2004 14:57 schreef The_Hives het volgende:
Hup Juve

ik schrok al, maar dit was 20 dagen geleden

Tja, het zou mooi zijn als bayern gelijk speelt, maarja ik zie er weinig heil in

quote:

Op dinsdag 23 november 2004 13:19 schreef The_Hives het volgende:

[..]



ik schrok al, maar dit was 20 dagen geleden

Tja, het zou mooi zijn als bayern gelijk speelt, maarja ik zie er weinig heil in

Weinig heil .

quote:

Op dinsdag 23 november 2004 13:22 schreef JaWi het volgende:

[..]

Weinig heil .

quote:

Op dinsdag 23 november 2004 13:12 schreef zjroentje het volgende:
Juventus - Ajax
Bayern - Tel Aviv

Beetje vreemde situatie voor Ajax met betrekking tot de wedstrijd in Munchen. Zou Tel Aviv winnen ligt de weg naar de volgende ronde CL open, maar komt een eventuele vierde plek ook dichter bij.

Daar zat ik ook al aan te denken. Bij mij schoot het volgende te binnen: alles of niets

bij alles of niets gaan voor de 2e plek, met kans op de volgende ronde of niets. Alleen beste wat Ajax kan doen is gewoon alles winnen, een hoop hangt ook nog af van de andere wedstrijden. Als Tel Aviv zou winnen van Bayern dan is Ajax gedwongen om een goed resultaat neer te zetten. Stel dat Tel Aviv na de 1e helft voor staat, zou Koeman dan nog steeds vasthouden aan het principe "vrij spelen" ?

quote:

Op dinsdag 23 november 2004 13:12 schreef zjroentje het volgende:
Juventus - Ajax
Bayern - Tel Aviv

Beetje vreemde situatie voor Ajax met betrekking tot de wedstrijd in Munchen. Zou Tel Aviv winnen ligt de weg naar de volgende ronde CL open, maar komt een eventuele vierde plek ook dichter bij.

Ja inderdaad, maar goed, ik acht de kans dat Macabbi in Munchen wint nihil...
Winnen bij Juve is gewoon Europees voetbal voor na de winter garanderen...

Laat Bayern maar gelijk spelen.