FOK!forum / Showbizz, Celebs en Gossip / Wie is gekker, Michael Jackson of de media? #6
Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:13
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Op zaterdag 17 januari 2004 20:56 schreef APK het volgende:

Op zaterdag 17 januari 2004 00:06 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

Ondanks dat Michael Jackson zijn hele leven lang zijn best heeft gedaan om de wereld zijn beste muziek voor te schotelen, heeft hij slechts bij een handjevol gekke fans nog het respect dat hij daarvoor verdient.
Wie heeft niet op zijn muziek gedanst in de jaren 80? Wie heeft niet genoten van zijn prachtige dans-optredens? Zijn gezicht mag dan zijn verandert maar achter zijn ogen gaat nog steeds dezelfde persoon schuil.

Als je een neus zo'n mooi onderwerp vind, kijk dan eens verder dan die van jezelf.

Wat een gelul zeg.
Garry Glitter maakte ook muziek waar mensen van genoten, maar het blijft een pedofiel.


Ja, maar MJ is nog altijd onschuldig, weet je nog?
Woffelzondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:16
Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:17
Om even de topictitel toe te lichten:

Media More Crazed than Fans

Watching the scene outside of the courthouse during Michael Jacksons arraignment, one would have been stunned at not only the fans but also at the behavior of the media. Jacksons vehicle pulled up with media surrounding him and pushed their way through throngs of fans to get closer to his SUV. For the past few weeks, weve all heard Jackson referred to as the former King of Pop, a has been, and a fallen star. These terms are laughable and even more so after the way the media behaved today. The incredible turnout of press membersone estimate set the number at 600is certainly not indicative of a has been or former-anything. Whens the last time youve seen 600 members of the media outside of the courtroom during the last court appearance of Leif Garret?

The media circus, as it has been labeled by the press, is also a rather ridiculous critique of the situation for a number of reasons. However, the two main points that stick out are: 1. A media circus cant exist without media, and 2. The media are always loathed to critique their own rabid behavior. There has yet to be one talking-head admitting that the medias conduct contributed to the atmosphere of todays events.

The public sat and watched commentators, pundits, paid legal analysts and tabloid journalists set a new level for the amount of utter and complete speculation in one days time. One CNN reporter went so far as to question why Jackson was wearing a white armband. I was almost waiting on one of the whiners to question whether or not the Nation of Islam made him wear it. No, it gets even more ridiculous than that!

In an effort to fill airtime, an MSNBC commentator kept referring to the arraignment as either weird, bizarre or strange, all while hanging on Jacksons every gesture. In fairness to him, maybe he just didnt realize the rabid stares and excited glances he threw to Jackson while giving the play-by-play of Jackson walking down the walkway into the courthouse.

And the topper: Jackson driving away from the courthouse with members of the media running in the middle of the street, pushing fans out of the way, and chasing after his SUV. At one point, reporters with cameras could be seen out-pacing many of Jacksons own fans in that car chase. The only way you could tell a fan from a member of the media were the cameras and microphones seemingly permenantly attached to their bodies. To compare some of their behavior to that of a crack-head looking for their next fix is not an overstatement.

No, they werent dressed up like Jackson, they didnt have homemade signs declaring their support, nor were they chanting Jacksons lyrics. But it was strange to see media hanging on Jacksons every gesture, gossiping about his clothes, having helicopters tail his vehicle from the courthouse to the Neverland, and waiting with bated breath wondering what he was going to do next.

Mr-Mackeyzondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:18
Radjeshzondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:24
MJ OWNZZZZZZ

ONSCHULDIG LIJK MIJ

Flex82zondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:24
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Op zondag 18 januari 2004 21:24 schreef Radjesh het volgende:
MJ OWNZZZZZZ

ONSCHULDIG LIJK MIJ


Wat hierboven staat, maar dan zonder hoofdletters.
Bauhauszondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:32
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Op zondag 18 januari 2004 21:24 schreef Radjesh het volgende:
MJ OWNZZZZZZ

ONSCHULDIG LIJK MIJ


Er moeten dus kinderen zijn die verteld hebben dat MJ aan hun pielemuisje gezeten heeft ?

Anders was er sowieso geen zaak gekomen

In dat geval NIET onschuldig.

Flex82zondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:43
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Op zondag 18 januari 2004 21:32 schreef Bauhaus het volgende:

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Er moeten dus kinderen zijn die verteld hebben dat MJ aan hun pielemuisje gezeten heeft ?

Anders was er sowieso geen zaak gekomen

In dat geval NIET onschuldig.


Wat denk je van ouders die misbruik willen maken van het feit dat hun kinderen naar dat landgoed van MJ zijn geweest?

Maar het kan ook waar zijn natuurlijk. Je moet alleen niet denken dat de kinderen altijd gelijk hebben.
(amerikaanse) ouders doen gekke dingen voor geld, zelfs hun eigen kinderen tot dingen dwingen.

Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 18 januari 2004 @ 21:44
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Op zondag 18 januari 2004 21:32 schreef Bauhaus het volgende:

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Er moeten dus kinderen zijn die verteld hebben dat MJ aan hun pielemuisje gezeten heeft ?

Anders was er sowieso geen zaak gekomen

In dat geval NIET onschuldig.


Er is ook nog geen zaak.

Op 13 februari wordt bepaald wanneer de 'preliminary meeting' komt en daarin zal worden bekeken of er genoeg bewijs is om er een rechtszaak van te maken (met jury enzo)

In '93 is zo'n zaak er trouwens ook niet geweest. MJ heeft dan wel de civiele zaak afgekocht, maar daarna is er door de politie nog een miljoenen-onderzoek gedaan waarin meer dan 200 mensen (waaronder 30 kinderen) zijn verhoord, maar er is niet voldoende bewijs gevonden voor een rechtszaak.

ilona-scuderiamaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 00:56
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Ripleymaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 12:08
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JACKSON WATCH: Michael Jackson pleading innocent to child molestation charges in a Santa Maria, California, courtroom on Friday. The normally sleepy town was invaded by the world press and 250-300 of Jackson's fans. Parking spaces in front of the courthouse selling for $250 a day.

JACKSON ADD: Jackson's lawyer Mark Geragos announcing that attorney Benjamin Brafman is joining Jackson's legal team as co-counsel; Brafman is know for winning an acquittal for P. Diddy on bribery and weapons charges. "Michael and I agreed that expanding the team would best serve his interests as we work toward his acquittal on the false charges that have been leveled against him," Geragos said in a statement.

STAR GAZING: Psychic Uri Geller defending Jackson on Sunday, telling Israel's Army Radio that his popster pal denied allegations that he had sexually abused children after being hypnotized. "He answered me under deep hypnosis that he had never touched a child in a sexual way," Geller said. "He said--and here I'm using his exact words--'My relations with children are very beautiful.'"


BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 12:24
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Op zondag 18 januari 2004 21:18 schreef Mr-Mackey het volgende:
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De media is absoluut gekker dan MJ, hij wordt naar mijn mening vals beschuldigd, terwijl hij door iedereen al schuldig is bevonden. Kan me niet voorstellen dat hij dit heeft gedaan. Hij is natuurlijk naïef om te denken dat in één bed slapen met kinderen juist is, maar dat maakt hem nog geen kindermisbruiker.

Ripleymaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 12:26
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 12:24 schreef BVO het volgende:

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De media is absoluut gekker dan MJ, hij wordt naar mijn mening vals beschuldigd, terwijl hij door iedereen al schuldig is bevonden. Kan me niet voorstellen dat hij dit heeft gedaan. Hij is natuurlijk naïef om te denken dat in één bed slapen met kinderen juist is, maar dat maakt hem nog geen kindermisbruiker.


Dat jij je het niet kan voorstellen wil ook niet zeggen dat hij GEEN kindermisbruiker is. Je trekt net als de mensen die hem wel al veroordeeld hebben voorbarige conclusies. Ik wacht liever de zaak en de bewijslast af.

Feit blijft wel dat dit de tweede keer is dat MJ van een dergelijk feit is beschuldigd, hij is een van de weinige celebs bij wie een dergelijk feit meerdere malen omhoog komt. Als hij onschuldig is, zal hij dan toch zijn gedrag moeten veranderen: hij creeert zelf ook een duidelijk schijn die tegen hem werkt.

BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 12:32
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 12:26 schreef Ripley het volgende:

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Dat jij je het niet kan voorstellen wil ook niet zeggen dat hij GEEN kindermisbruiker is. Je trekt net als de mensen die hem wel al veroordeeld hebben voorbarige conclusies. Ik wacht liever de zaak en de bewijslast af.

Feit blijft wel dat dit de tweede keer is dat MJ van een dergelijk feit is beschuldigd, hij is een van de weinige celebs bij wie een dergelijk feit meerdere malen omhoog komt. Als hij onschuldig is, zal hij dan toch zijn gedrag moeten veranderen: hij creeert zelf ook een duidelijk schijn die tegen hem werkt.


Ja dat is ook wel zo, ik kan het me idd niet voorstellen dat een dergelijk liefdevol persoon als MJ kinderen zou misbruiken.

Het is ook niet zo gek dat mensen bij wie de mogelijkheid zich voordoet proberen hier geld uit te halen, door het gedrag van MJ werkt ie dit ook absolut in de hand, maar dit gedrag komt gewoon voort uit de jeugd die hij gehad heeft.

PimDmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 13:12
Michael Jackson

Ben er sinds een paar weken weer intensief naar aan het luisteren, en het klinkt gewoon nog steeds super (hoewel sommige nummers inmiddels een beetje gedateerd klinken naar mijn mening). Ga binnenkort ff z'n albums kopen - zag dat ze bij play.com een aanbieding hadden van 3 albums (special editions nogwel) voor 20 pond - da's zo'n 9 euro per stuk....

Tuurlijk, de persoon Michael Jackson is (volgens mij) niet helemaal 100% bij z'n hoofd - maar wat wil je, met zo'n hectische jeugd/leven. Hij heeft die kinderen echt niet misbruikt. Hij had IMO moeten stoppen na History - dan was ie een legende geweest/gebleven. Nu is ie toch steeds meer een has-been aan het worden, door het "floppen" van albums als Invincible & Number Ones...

BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 13:19
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 13:12 schreef PimD het volgende:
Michael Jackson

Ben er sinds een paar weken weer intensief naar aan het luisteren, en het klinkt gewoon nog steeds super (hoewel sommige nummers inmiddels een beetje gedateerd klinken naar mijn mening). Ga binnenkort ff z'n albums kopen - zag dat ze bij play.com een aanbieding hadden van 3 albums (special editions nogwel) voor 20 pond - da's zo'n 9 euro per stuk....

Tuurlijk, de persoon Michael Jackson is (volgens mij) niet helemaal 100% bij z'n hoofd - maar wat wil je, met zo'n hectische jeugd/leven. Hij heeft die kinderen echt niet misbruikt. Hij had IMO moeten stoppen na History - dan was ie een legende geweest/gebleven. Nu is ie toch steeds meer een has-been aan het worden, door het "floppen" van albums als Invincible & Number Ones...


Helemaal mee eens. Al hadden we dan wel het nummer 'Is it scary' moeten missen en die vind ik eerlijk gezegd ook erg goed
Marinusmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 13:49
Ik weet het niet hoor. Maar waarom zegt iedereen dat Michael Jackson een 'has been' is? De verkoopaantallen van zijn albums zijn nog steeds gigantisch. Naar een concert van hem in 2001 keken 25 miljoen mensen in Amerika en als je vrijdag dan weer ziet wat voor media gekte hij nog steeds kan opwekken, dan is hij als performer en entertainer nog springlevend.
Copycatmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 13:53
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 13:49 schreef Marinus het volgende:
Naar een concert van hem in 2001 keken 25 miljoen mensen in Amerika en als je vrijdag dan weer ziet wat voor media gekte hij nog steeds kan opwekken, dan is hij als performer en entertainer nog springlevend.
Denk dat die mediagekte van afgelopen weekend weinig tot niets van doen hadden met het al dan niet springlevend zijn van MJ als entertainer en performer.
PimDmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 13:54
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 13:49 schreef Marinus het volgende:
Ik weet het niet hoor. Maar waarom zegt iedereen dat Michael Jackson een 'has been' is? De verkoopaantallen van zijn albums zijn nog steeds gigantisch. Naar een concert van hem in 2001 keken 25 miljoen mensen in Amerika en als je vrijdag dan weer ziet wat voor media gekte hij nog steeds kan opwekken, dan is hij als performer en entertainer nog springlevend.
Natuurlijk verkoopt ie nog superveel en zal dat waarschijnlijk nog wel jaren blijven toen - volgens mij heeft ie een van de grootste fanbases ter wereld, vergelijkbaar met The Beatles enzo. Maar als ik zie dat bijvoorbeeld het Number Ones album in Amerika niet hoger dan de top 50 komt (als ik me niet vergis) terwijl History enzo op 1 binnenkwamen.... Dan is het toch allemaal stukken minder dan in de dagen van Bad & Dangerous, om het over Thriller nog maar niet te hebben...

Daarnaast scoren zijn singles ook lang niet zo goed meer als eerst. Z'n laatste top 10 hit is volgens mij al 5+ jaar geleden (volgens mij was You Rock My World niet zo'n grote hit in NL) - Blood On The Dance Floor uit 1997 stond geloof ik op nummer 2? En als ie dan ook nog eens oude clips gaat recyclen (Smooth Criminal / You Rock My World) kun je toch wel zien dat zijn toptijd voorbij is naar mijn mening.

Marinusmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 13:56
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 13:54 schreef PimD het volgende:

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Natuurlijk verkoopt ie nog superveel en zal dat waarschijnlijk nog wel jaren blijven toen - volgens mij heeft ie een van de grootste fanbases ter wereld, vergelijkbaar met The Beatles enzo. Maar als ik zie dat bijvoorbeeld het Number Ones album in Amerika niet hoger dan de top 50 komt (als ik me niet vergis) terwijl History enzo op 1 binnenkwamen.... Dan is het toch allemaal stukken minder dan in de dagen van Bad & Dangerous, om het over Thriller nog maar niet te hebben...

Daarnaast scoren zijn singles ook lang niet zo goed meer als eerst. Z'n laatste top 10 hit is volgens mij al 5+ jaar geleden (volgens mij was You Rock My World niet zo'n grote hit in NL) - Blood On The Dance Floor uit 1997 stond geloof ik op nummer 2?


Klopt, het is allemaal wel minder geworden. Blood on the Dance Floor is wel een nummer 1 hit geweest anders had ie ook niet op Number Ones gestaan. Overigens verkoopt Number Ones wel erg goed (wat minder in Amerika, maar in Europa wel erg goed).
BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:00
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 13:56 schreef Marinus het volgende:

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Klopt, het is allemaal wel minder geworden. Blood on the Dance Floor is wel een nummer 1 hit geweest anders had ie ook niet op Number Ones gestaan. Overigens verkoopt Number Ones wel erg goed (wat minder in Amerika, maar in Europa wel erg goed).


De albums verkopen idd nog wel erg goed, maar dat komt meer door de persoon MJ dan door zijn muziek. De muziek op 'Invincible' en de laatste plaat 'One more chance' is gewoon, zeker als je het vergelijkt met de muziek die hij vroeger maakte, niet al te goed.
MJ kan nu dus nog op zn reputatie terugvallen, maar als dit proces te lang gaat duren raakt ie die ook definitief kwijt en is er niks meer van hem over jammergenoeg .
PLAE@maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:01
antwoord op de vraag: de media
PLAE@maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:04
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 14:00 schreef BVO het volgende:

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De albums verkopen idd nog wel erg goed, maar dat komt meer door de persoon MJ dan door zijn muziek. De muziek op 'Invincible' en de laatste plaat 'One more chance' is gewoon, zeker als je het vergelijkt met de muziek die hij vroeger maakte, niet al te goed.
MJ kan nu dus nog op zn reputatie terugvallen, maar als dit proces te lang gaat duren raakt ie die ook definitief kwijt en is er niks meer van hem over jammergenoeg .


blijkt hij onschuldig dan wil ik het nog wel eens zien.

Komt er heeeeeeeeel misschien dan nog een wereldtour (natuurlijk geen USA) + een cd. En dan heeft hij daarna misschien rust.

Alhoewel. Als je Michael Jackson heet. Zal je nooit rust kennen. Die man zal nog van van alles beschuldigd worden als hij al in het graf ligt. Hoge bomen vangen nou eenmaal veel wind

BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:08
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 14:04 schreef PLAE@ het volgende:

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blijkt hij onschuldig dan wil ik het nog wel eens zien.

Komt er heeeeeeeeel misschien dan nog een wereldtour (natuurlijk geen USA) + een cd. En dan heeft hij daarna misschien rust.

Alhoewel. Als je Michael Jackson heet. Zal je nooit rust kennen. Die man zal nog van van alles beschuldigd worden als hij al in het graf ligt. Hoge bomen vangen nou eenmaal veel wind


Ja, heb je wel gelijk in. Ik zal altijd in zn onschuld blijven geloven, maar een hoop mensen, ook al wint hij dit proces, nu eenmaal niet. Het is te hopen dat het zo snel mogelijk afgelopen is, hoe langer het duurt hoe meer mensen zich tegen hem zullen keren.
Ik hoop dat er na deze ellende een nieuw album van hem zal verschijnen en dat hij misschien nog een keer op tournee gaat, lijkt me geweldig hem een keer in het echt te zien
PLAE@maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:09
Die kans heb ik al gekregen en ook gegrepen

als klein ventje van 10 ofzo in de Arena maar nu als bijna volwassene zou ik het nog wel een keer willen .

Maarja er is natuurlijk ook nog een kans dat hij echt schuldig is. Alhoewel ik die kans erg klein acht.

BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:14
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 14:09 schreef PLAE@ het volgende:
Die kans heb ik al gekregen en ook gegrepen

als klein ventje van 10 ofzo in de Arena maar nu als bijna volwassene zou ik het nog wel een keer willen .

Maarja er is natuurlijk ook nog een kans dat hij echt schuldig is. Alhoewel ik die kans erg klein acht.


Dan ben ik even heel erg jaloers .

Ja die kans is er altijd, maar kan het me op dit moment gewoon niet voorstellen. Feit blijft nou eenmaal dat deze rechtzaak waarschijnlijk alleen maar verliezers zal kennen. Michael Jackson omdat zijn reputatie sowieso verder zal afbrokkelen, en de 'slachtoffers' omdat ze denk ik deze rechtzaak zullen verliezen.

Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:24
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 13:54 schreef PimD het volgende:
Maar als ik zie dat bijvoorbeeld het Number Ones album in Amerika niet hoger dan de top 50 komt (als ik me niet vergis) terwijl History enzo op 1 binnenkwamen.... Dan is het toch allemaal stukken minder dan in de dagen van Bad & Dangerous, om het over Thriller nog maar niet te hebben...
Number Ones is langzaam bezig met een terugkeer naar de hogere regionen van de charts in Amerika. Stond vorige week op #15 (week daarvoor op #39). In de USA heeft hij nu bijna 500.000 albums verkocht, wat niet zo veel is, maar in Engeland doet het album het heel goed, daar zijn er al meer dan een miljoen verkocht.

De DVD van Number Ones staat op #1 in de Billboard lijst.

Met Thriller vergelijken is natuurlijk niet te doen. Dat was een andere tijd. En daarnaast is dit natuurlijk gewoon een 'Best of' album, waarbij niet vergeten moet worden op de dubbel cd van HIStory ook al een 'best of' cd zat. Ik (als toch redelijk fan) heb bijvoorbeeld de nieuwde cd ook niet gekocht. Ik heb alle nummers al.

Ach, met verkoopcijfers kan altijd leuk gegoocheld worden, het gaat mij vooral om de plezier die ik heb van het luisteren naar de muziek.

PLAE@maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:27
tja verkoopcijfers. Met albums van 10 jaar geledne is dat al niet meer te vergelijken. De verkoopcijfers zijn zo en zo gedaald.

Maar hoe kom je aan die verkoopcijfers?

BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:28
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 14:24 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

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Number Ones is langzaam bezig met een terugkeer naar de hogere regionen van de charts in Amerika. Stond vorige week op #15 (week daarvoor op #39). In de USA heeft hij nu bijna 500.000 albums verkocht, wat niet zo veel is, maar in Engeland doet het album het heel goed, daar zijn er al meer dan een miljoen verkocht.

De DVD van Number Ones staat op #1 in de Billboard lijst.

Met Thriller vergelijken is natuurlijk niet te doen. Dat was een andere tijd. En daarnaast is dit natuurlijk gewoon een 'Best of' album, waarbij niet vergeten moet worden op de dubbel cd van HIStory ook al een 'best of' cd zat. Ik (als toch redelijk fan) heb bijvoorbeeld de nieuwde cd ook niet gekocht. Ik heb alle nummers al.

Ach, met verkoopcijfers kan altijd leuk gegoocheld worden, het gaat mij vooral om de plezier die ik heb van het luisteren naar de muziek.


Dat zijn, gezien het feit dat het een Best-of album is idd nog steeds erg hoge cijfers. Wat dat betreft zal dit proces hem komende tijd nog wel ff helpen.
PLAE@maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:32
Ik snap de hele opzet achter nr ones niet echt. Ik bedoel History was op cd 1 ook een verzameling van hits.

Dus dit is eigenlijk overbodig. Meer iets voor als hij dood is of al jaren gestopt

Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:37
[/b]Sneddon's rare praktijken: vriendjespolitiek en beïnvloeden van getuigen[/b]

Tom Sneddon, de DA die Michaels zaak afwerkt is in het nieuws gekomen omdat hij deze zaak wel aanpakt, maar in een vorig geval (waarbij een politie-agent van zijn bureau werd verdacht van kindermisbruik en dit ook heeft toegegeven!) niet tot actie is overgegaan.

Een artikel:

Selective, Malicious Prosecution?

The district attorney of Santa Barbara, Tom Sneddon, has a perception problem partly because of his record for protecting his friends. What makes this perception more concrete is news out of Santa Maria yesterday (Jan 17). The Santa Maria Times is reporting that Sneddon has refused to prosecute a former deputy of the Santa Barbara County Sheriffs Dept. who admitted to fondling an under-aged girl and who may be guilty of doing more than that.

The former detective, David Bruce Danielson, was arrested July 20 2002 on suspicion of child molestation. The report says that even during the investigation into his molestation case, he remained on paid administrative leave until he retired. According to Lt. Julie McCammon, his full pay was also applied to his pension.

This supposedly thorough investigation into the charges against Danielson did not exonerate him, however. The only thing Danielson admitted to was accidentally fondling the then 14 year old child in a one-time occurrence, according to Sneddon, who said Danielson touched the girl in areas people would consider inappropriate. It is unclear if something more than fondling occurred. However, from her familys urgency and her outrage, one could draw that conclusion.

Mostly, the family is angry that Sneddon is going forth with prosecuting Jackson, with what looks to be only the accusers word. This is baffling to both her and her family, since there seems to be more evidence in her case than there does in Jacksons. It would be interesting to know whether or not Danielson was involved in the 1993 Jackson investigation. However, this news does come on the hills of rumors saying that some of the police officers close to the current investigation of the Jackson case are disturbed about it being taken to this extent without any concrete evidence.

This Danielson case immediately raises red flags. He actually admits to at least fondling this young girl and he isnt prosecuted in any way? Couple this fact with the current sheriff of Santa Barbaras admitting that an investigation did not exonerate Danielson, and you have a boat load of questions that beg to be answered.

According to Sneddon, his reason for not pursuing the case against Danielson was because there was no provable criminal intent. Ah, the old Oops, I molested you defense! I guess that works every time! Or I guess its accepted if youre a friend of Sneddon, who also works for the sheriffs dept. The sheer ridiculousness of that excuse should be grounds for a look into just why Sneddon has chosen not to prosecute based on the word of the girls, along with an actual admission from the accused.

Illustration of Corruption?
Is this an illustration of corruption in the district attorneys office? That remains to be seen. However, consider the information from Gary Dunlap (see Dunlap interview). Dunlap is the attorney currently suing the DAs office for $10M claiming witness tampering, racketeering, and violation of civil rights. He has had many run-ins with Sneddons tactics and is not surprised the DA may be covering for members of law enforcement. Dunlap says in an extensive interview with MJJF Talk Radio (listen to the entire interview online) that Sneddon has a history or running rough-shot over the north county. So much so that the judge in Dunlaps own case said there was substantial governmental misconduct on the part of the prosecution.

Dunlap also discloses info about the close relationship between the DAs office and the sheriffs dept. Apparently, the sheriffs dept. builds up a lot of indebtednessto the district attorneys office for having protected them from any repercussions due to whatever alleged misdeeds any of their officers have done. This could explain why Jackson never filed a formal complaint with the sheriffs dept. Sneddon would have been involved in the investigation and nothing would have been done, if we are to believe Mr. Dunlaps assessments. This situation would be laughable if it wasnt so seriously suspicious.

www.mjeol.com

Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:43
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Op maandag 19 januari 2004 14:32 schreef PLAE@ het volgende:
Ik snap de hele opzet achter nr ones niet echt. Ik bedoel History was op cd 1 ook een verzameling van hits.

Dus dit is eigenlijk overbodig. Meer iets voor als hij dood is of al jaren gestopt


Dat komt door het contract met Sony. Hij moest 5 albums afleveren en dit was zijn laatste (Dangerous, HIStory, Blood on the Dancefloor, Invincible en Number Ones). MJ wil graag weg bij Sony omdat deze zijn vorige album Invincible bijna geheel geboycot hebben.

Zo zijn er maar twee clips uitgebracht (in de USA maar één) terwijl MJ normaal per album toch wel 5 of 6 nummers uitbrengt. Hij wilde ook allereerst Unbreakable uitbrengen met weer een mega-dure clip maar Sony (die graag zijn helft van de Sony/ATV catalogus ook in handen wil hebben) stelde dat hij eerst You Rock My World uit moest brengen.

Om van Sony af te zijn brengt hij dus nu nog snel dit album uit. De geruchten gaan dat hij (voor de aanklachten) alweer bezig was met een nieuw album.

PLAE@maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 14:46
Hij was in ieder geval bezig met de opnames van een clip op het moment dat de zaak bekend werd.


edit: het is trouwens niet vreemd dat Jackson het niet geweldig doet in de VS. Hij laat het compleet links liggen (wat clips dus zoals je al zei) en met z'n laatste tours in de jaren '90 (dangerous weet ik niet) heeft hij er niet getourd.

Iwan1976maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 18:18
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 13:54 schreef PimD het volgende:

Daarnaast scoren zijn singles ook lang niet zo goed meer als eerst. Z'n laatste top 10 hit is volgens mij al 5+ jaar geleden (volgens mij was You Rock My World niet zo'n grote hit in NL) - Blood On The Dance Floor uit 1997 stond geloof ik op nummer 2? En als ie dan ook nog eens oude clips gaat recyclen (Smooth Criminal / You Rock My World) kun je toch wel zien dat zijn toptijd voorbij is naar mijn mening.


De single-markt is op sterven na dood... en een zelfde lot is de cd-album markt beschoren. Mijns inziens zeggen de verkoopcijfers niets over de kwaliteit van een nummer/album. De reden waarom Jackson de afgelopen jaren minder heeft verkocht is de slechte marketing door Sony. Michael moet (en zal) de touwtjes weer in eigen handen nemen en doen wat híj wil: vernieuwende muziek maken, ondersteund door visuele hoogstandjes en adembenemende dans. Daardoor is hij een legende geworden... en zal hij altijd een legende blijven.
Peregrijnmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 18:36
* Peregrijn wacht op de jury-uitslag voor hij oordeelt
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 18:46
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 18:36 schreef Peregrijn het volgende:
* Peregrijn wacht op de jury-uitslag voor hij oordeelt
Verstandig!

(en nee, ik heb nog geen baan Jij?)

Peregrijnmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 18:48
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 18:46 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]

Verstandig!

(en nee, ik heb nog geen baan Jij?)


* Peregrijn heeft net een uitkering aangevraagd

Er beginnen wel wat meer vacatures te komen, maare natuurlijk vertel ik jou als concurrent natuurlijk niet waar Sta je nog aan de lopende band?

Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 18:53
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 18:48 schreef Peregrijn het volgende:
* Peregrijn heeft net een uitkering aangevraagd
Ik ben afgelopen donderdag al op gesprek geweest.
quote:
Er beginnen wel wat meer vacatures te komen, maare natuurlijk vertel ik jou als concurrent natuurlijk niet waar Sta je nog aan de lopende band?
Ik merk het zelf ook al, inderdaad. En nee, aan de lopende band was ook al geen werk meer.

En Michael Jackson vindt het ook allemaal kut. (anders gaan we teveel off-topic.)

staticmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 19:20
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 18:53 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]


(anders gaan we teveel off-topic.)


Nogal ja.
PimDmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 20:08
* PimD heeft net de special editions van Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad & Dangerous besteld
staticmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 20:14
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 20:08 schreef PimD het volgende:
* PimD heeft net de special editions van Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad & Dangerous besteld
Wat heeft dat met deze zaak te maken?
PimDmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 20:21
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 20:14 schreef static het volgende:

[..]

Wat heeft dat met deze zaak te maken?


Ondanks de rechtszaak blijven de mensen de muziek toch wel kopen

Ben wel benieuwd wat er zou gebeuren als ie schuldig zou worden bevonden (hoewel ik zelf niet geloof dat ie iets heeft gedaan). Kan me eerlijk gezegd niet voorstellen dat ie dan echt 15 jaar de cel in gaat - denk dat ie dan toch zou proberen te verdwijnen of zelfmoord plegen....

Iwan1976maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 21:02
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 20:08 schreef PimD het volgende:
* PimD heeft net de special editions van Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad & Dangerous besteld
Het enige voordeel van al deze heisa rond Michael Jackson is dat de prijzen van MJ-artikelen enorm zijn gekelderd, maar daar heb je als trouwe fan niet zoveel aan, want die heeft alles al lang en breed in de kast staan
PimDmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 21:09
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 21:02 schreef Iwan1976 het volgende:

[..]

Het enige voordeel van al deze heisa rond Michael Jackson is dat de prijzen van MJ-artikelen enorm zijn gekelderd, maar daar heb je als trouwe fan niet zoveel aan, want die heeft alles al lang en breed in de kast staan


Hehe - ik ben voor het eerst sinds 1995 weer 's intensief aan het luisteren, dit zijn dus mijn eerste cd's van MJ

nog geen 25 pond voor deze vier, geen geld toch

ligt overigens niet aan die heisa eromheen hoor denk ik, wel meer A-acts zijn overal in prijs gekelderd. Queen bijvoorbeeld - een jaartje of 3 geleden betaalde je voor elk rottig Queen album 45 gulden - nu kun je de meesten voor 7-9 euro per stuk kopen....

Iwan1976maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 21:39
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 21:09 schreef PimD het volgende:
ligt overigens niet aan die heisa eromheen hoor denk ik, wel meer A-acts zijn overal in prijs gekelderd. Queen bijvoorbeeld - een jaartje of 3 geleden betaalde je voor elk rottig Queen album 45 gulden - nu kun je de meesten voor 7-9 euro per stuk kopen....
De tendens is dat de CD en over niet al te lange tijd ook de DVD uitgefaseerd zullen worden... net als de LP/VHS. BlueRay staat in de startblokken en aan de opvolger daarvan zal men vast ook al bezig zijn. Vandaar de gekelderde prijzen.
staticmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 21:41
Zullen we het gewoon weer over de eventuele rechtzaak gaan hebben?
Iwan1976maandag 19 januari 2004 @ 21:57
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 21:41 schreef static het volgende:
Zullen we het gewoon weer over de eventuele rechtzaak gaan hebben?
Laat dat 'eventuele' maar weg... er komt zeker een rechtszaak... de vraag is alleen tegen wie
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 22:56
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 20:21 schreef PimD het volgende:
Ben wel benieuwd wat er zou gebeuren als ie schuldig zou worden bevonden (hoewel ik zelf niet geloof dat ie iets heeft gedaan). Kan me eerlijk gezegd niet voorstellen dat ie dan echt 15 jaar de cel in gaat - denk dat ie dan toch zou proberen te verdwijnen of zelfmoord plegen....
Hoorde gisteren op Netwerk zo'n mannetje zeggen dat als hij in de cel moet hij dan waarschijnlijk wel bescherming zal krijgen tegen wraaklustige mede-gevangenen door hem in een afgezonderde eenheid te plaatsen.
BVOmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 23:01
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 21:57 schreef Iwan1976 het volgende:

[..]

Laat dat 'eventuele' maar weg... er komt zeker een rechtszaak... de vraag is alleen tegen wie


Tegen Michael Jackson toch? Of ben ik nou gek?
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 23:04
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 23:01 schreef BVO het volgende:
Tegen Michael Jackson toch? Of ben ik nou gek?
Het is nog niet zeker. Eerst moet de rechter nog bepalen of er genoeg bewijs is om een jury bijeen te roepen en een zaak op poten te zetten.

Wat je tot nu toe gezien hebt is slechts media-gekte rond wat juridische formaliteiten.

staticmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 23:20
quote:
Michael Jackson wil geen financiële regeling.

Michael Jackson weigert een financiële regeling te treffen met de familie van de 14-jarige jongen, die hij seksueel misbruikt zou hebben. Dat heeft Michael's advocaat Mark Geragos verklaard. Volgens de jurist is de familie van de jongen slechts uit op het geld van de popster en weigert Michael te betalen omdat hij onschuldig is. De 'King of Pop' wordt er van verdacht de jongen meerdere malen seksueel misbruikt te hebben. Begin jaren '90 betaalde Michael wel een groot bedrag aan een jongen die zei seksueel misbruikt te zijn, om daarmee een rechtszaak te voorkomen. Hoeveel de familie van de 14-jarige jongen wilde hebben om een rechtszaak te laten vallen is niet bekend.


Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 januari 2004 @ 23:20
quote:
Op maandag 19 januari 2004 23:04 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Het is nog niet zeker. Eerst moet de rechter nog bepalen of er genoeg bewijs is om een jury bijeen te roepen en een zaak op poten te zetten.
En als dat er is, dan is het nog maar de vraag hoe dat bewijs tot stand is gekomen.

Er is wederom zeer interessant nieuws omtrent de aanklagende familie en hun advocaat naar buiten gekomen:

Bombshell from Johnny Cochran Concerning Accusing Family

It has come to MJEOLs attention that a few days ago, NBC legal analyst Johnny Cochran appeared on the Today Show and revealed some startling information. Cochran admitted that Larry Feldman (the same lawyer for the 1993 accuser and this current accuser) at first chose not to represent this current accuser in a potential civil suit against Jackson last year. This was evidently some time before news broke that Jacksons Neverland Ranch was being ransacked by the police in Nov 2003.

What is unbelievably interesting in the disclosure is this family may have been looking to file a civil suit against Jackson some time last year. This blows a hole in the the family only wants justice story being pushed in the media by the likes of Jamie Masada and tabloid reporter Diane Dimond. If this family was indeed looking to file a lawsuit against Jackson before any police got involved, it smacks of the same type of situation which happened in 1993, in which Feldman was also involved.

This news comes on the heels of reports saying the family may have gone lawyer shopping, until they found one that would do what they wanted. It was last reported that 4 other attorneys turned them down before they finally ended up with Feldman. Feldman is the attorney who paid for this current accuser to see the same shrink that the 1993 accuser saw. The 1993 accusers visit to the same shrink, too, was arranged by Feldman. Feldman admitted during a recent 20/20 interview that this current accuser had to have this molestation information dragged out of him. Coupled with all of the other information about the same players being involved in both cases, this should send up red flags. It is a bit too uncanny that neither one of these accusers, Feldman, or the shrink contacted the police at any time before filing a civil suit (1993) and running to Sneddon (2003).

The new law put in place in California since 1993 allows the prosecution to stop a civil case from going forward before the criminal case. This is most likely the reason why the family has not formally filed a civil suit which has absolutely nothing to do with them wanting to seek justice. In fact, some observers say that if they wanted to seek justice, they would have gone to the police first and not a civil attorney.

Also, to our understanding, the family may have been stopped from filing a civil suit by the prosecution, who now has them under protective custody. It will be interesting to find out the exact timeline of when these events took place.

This new development has yet to be spread by Celebrity Justice or Court TV. These same entities are always ever so rabid in their attempts to promote the accusing familys stories. Celebrity Justices leaks of so-called information, most likely from the prosecution, could be their downfall when this is over.

You better stay tuned.[/i]

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Brave_Sir_Robin op 19-01-2004 23:21]

matthijstdinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 00:04
Kijk, en dat stukje over dezelfde advocaat en dezelfde psychiater, plus het feit dat de psychiater het "uit de jongen moest trekken" maakt dat ik er geen ruk van geloof.
En dan heb ik het nog niet eens over de ongeloofwaardige tijdslijn. Schitterend ook: de DA zei dat deze jongen wél zou getuigen. En wat blijkt: de DA heeft het recht om ze te laten wachten met een civiele procedure tot deze zaak voorbij is.

Dus kan de jongen eerst met hulp van de DA een poging wagen. Wordt Jackson schuldig bevonden, dan is het ook wel KA-ching in de civiele zaak. Wordt Jackson vrijgesproken in een rechtzaak, dan kunnen ze nog steeds een civiele procedure starten en misschien iets minder, maar toch nog ettele miljoenen claimen.

Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 12:53
Ik heb alvast een toekomstige openingspost in elkaar gedraaid

REDENEN WAAROM DE ZAAK TEGEN MICHAEL JACKSON GEBASEERD IS OP EEN GROTE LEUGEN

1. Officier van Justitie Tom Sneddon beweert dat dit misbruik op vrijdag, 7 februari begon - een dag NADAT de 'Living with Michael Jackson' documentaire op ABC in de USA op tv was. Verwacht Sneddon werkelijk dat iemand gelooft dat Michael Jackson dit kind al twee jaar kent, hem heeft geholpen bij zijn kankerbestrijding en dan WACHTTE tot aan een dag NADAT de documentaire over de hele wereld werd uitgezonden voordat hij hem zou molesteren? Er klopt iets serieus niet aan deze tijdslijn.

2. Nadat de 'Living with Michael Jackson' documentaire was uitgezonden, belde het schoolhoofd van het kind de kinderbescherming om het geval te onderzoeken omdat de klasgenoten van het kind hem over de documentaire plaagden. Nadat grondig het kind, zijn broer, zijn moeder en zijn zus, alle leden van de familie HERHAALDELIJK zijn geinterviewd ONTKENDEN ze dat ooit iets ongepasts plaats heeft gevonden. ZOWEL het LAPD als LA Departement of Children and Family Services concludeerden dat elke angst over seksueel wangedrag van Jackson ONGEGROND was - wat betekend, dat er geen basis voor was.

3. De vader van het kind is naar buiten gekomen en zegt dat de moeder van deze kinderen hun scripts gegeven heeft en hun getraind heeft om in wettelijke handelingen te liegen. De advocaat van de vader bezit kopieën van deze verklaringen en heeft ze inmiddels doorgespeeld aan Michael Jacksons advocaat, Geragos.

4. De moeder zelf heeft een geschiedenis in het indienen van aanklachten van seksueel misbruik. In 1999, nadat haar kinderen gepakt waren voor diefstal uit een kledingzaak en het winkelcentrum uit zijn geëscorteerd, heeft zij later JC Penny/Tower Records aangeklaagd voor mishandeling door de lijfwachten. In het oorspronkelijk proces vermeldde de familie nooit enige seksuele aanvallen. Maar twee jaar na het incident hebben alle vier leden van de familie in verklaringen beweerd dat een Tower bewaker de moeder gedurende het incident seksueel had betast.

De familie kreeg uiteindelijk een bedrag van $152.500

5. Een scheidings-advocaat van de moeder, heeft gezegd dat de familie tot onlangs nooit beweerd heeft dat Jackson de jongen seksueel misbruikte. Advocaat Michael Manning zegt dat hij zich herinnert dat de moeder positieve dingen over Jackson heeft gezegd zelfs tot aan april/mei van vorig jaar.

Relevante artikelen:

DE TIJDLIJN:

Associated Press: Jackson Timeline Could Be Hard To Explain
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/...nment-headlines

Mens News Daily: Michael Jackson Timeline Smacks of Impropriety, but by Whom?
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/t/tong/03/tong121003.htm

Fox 411: Jackson Charges Will Be Difficult To Prove
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105990,00.html


LAPD EN LA DCFS ONDERZOEKEN - SEKSUEEL MISBRUIK ONGEGROND

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dcfsmemo1.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dcfsmemo2.html

http://www.talkaboutparenting.com/group/al...ages/29097.html

DE VADER VAN HET KIND ONTKENT MISBRUIK

http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/2654978/d...32FQddLLlAkqAGG

DE GESCHIEDENIS VAN DE FAMILIE IN HET INDIENEN VAN SEKSUELE AANKLACHTEN

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/140025p-124183c.html

DE MOEDER VAN HET KIND PRAAT POSITIEF OVER JACKSON TOT AAN APRIL/MEI

http://www.abcnews4.com/news/stories/1103/111704.html

DE MOEDER VAN HET KIND GEEFT TOE DAT ZE GEESTELIJK ZIEK IS GEWEEST EN HAAR ZOON HEEFT GEBRUIKT OM IN CONTACT TE KOMEN MET BROEMDHEDEN - LA DCFS RAPPORT

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/04/01/06a.html

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/doc.../jacko_dept.pdf

KINDEREN ONTKENNEN MISBRUIK DOOR HUN VADER MAAR VERANDEREN LATER HUN VERHAAL - STATE OF CALIFORNIA HEALTH AND WELFARE AGENCY RAPPORT

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/doc...jacko_state.pdf

PLAE@dinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 12:55
Jackson heeft helemaal geen advocaat nodig. Z'n fans doen het wel voor hem
BVOdinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 13:14
quote:
Op dinsdag 20 januari 2004 12:53 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Ik heb alvast een toekomstige openingspost in elkaar gedraaid

REDENEN WAAROM DE ZAAK TEGEN MICHAEL JACKSON GEBASEERD IS OP EEN GROTE LEUGEN

1. Officier van Justitie Tom Sneddon beweert dat dit misbruik op vrijdag, 7 februari begon - een dag NADAT de 'Living with Michael Jackson' documentaire op ABC in de USA op tv was. Verwacht Sneddon werkelijk dat iemand gelooft dat Michael Jackson dit kind al twee jaar kent, hem heeft geholpen bij zijn kankerbestrijding en dan WACHTTE tot aan een dag NADAT de documentaire over de hele wereld werd uitgezonden voordat hij hem zou molesteren? Er klopt iets serieus niet aan deze tijdslijn.

2. Nadat de 'Living with Michael Jackson' documentaire was uitgezonden, belde het schoolhoofd van het kind de kinderbescherming om het geval te onderzoeken omdat de klasgenoten van het kind hem over de documentaire plaagden. Nadat grondig het kind, zijn broer, zijn moeder en zijn zus, alle leden van de familie HERHAALDELIJK zijn geinterviewd ONTKENDEN ze dat ooit iets ongepasts plaats heeft gevonden. ZOWEL het LAPD als LA Departement of Children and Family Services concludeerden dat elke angst over seksueel wangedrag van Jackson ONGEGROND was - wat betekend, dat er geen basis voor was.

3. De vader van het kind is naar buiten gekomen en zegt dat de moeder van deze kinderen hun scripts gegeven heeft en hun getraind heeft om in wettelijke handelingen te liegen. De advocaat van de vader bezit kopieën van deze verklaringen en heeft ze inmiddels doorgespeeld aan Michael Jacksons advocaat, Geragos.

4. De moeder zelf heeft een geschiedenis in het indienen van aanklachten van seksueel misbruik. In 1999, nadat haar kinderen gepakt waren voor diefstal uit een kledingzaak en het winkelcentrum uit zijn geëscorteerd, heeft zij later JC Penny/Tower Records aangeklaagd voor mishandeling door de lijfwachten. In het oorspronkelijk proces vermeldde de familie nooit enige seksuele aanvallen. Maar twee jaar na het incident hebben alle vier leden van de familie in verklaringen beweerd dat een Tower bewaker de moeder gedurende het incident seksueel had betast.

De familie kreeg uiteindelijk een bedrag van $152.500

5. Een scheidings-advocaat van de moeder, heeft gezegd dat de familie tot onlangs nooit beweerd heeft dat Jackson de jongen seksueel misbruikte. Advocaat Michael Manning zegt dat hij zich herinnert dat de moeder positieve dingen over Jackson heeft gezegd zelfs tot aan april/mei van vorig jaar.

Relevante artikelen:

DE TIJDLIJN:

Associated Press: Jackson Timeline Could Be Hard To Explain
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/news/...nment-headlines

Mens News Daily: Michael Jackson Timeline Smacks of Impropriety, but by Whom?
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/t/tong/03/tong121003.htm

Fox 411: Jackson Charges Will Be Difficult To Prove
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,105990,00.html


LAPD EN LA DCFS ONDERZOEKEN - SEKSUEEL MISBRUIK ONGEGROND

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dcfsmemo1.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/dcfsmemo2.html

http://www.talkaboutparenting.com/group/al...ages/29097.html

DE VADER VAN HET KIND ONTKENT MISBRUIK

http://www.nbc4.tv/entertainment/2654978/d...32FQddLLlAkqAGG

DE GESCHIEDENIS VAN DE FAMILIE IN HET INDIENEN VAN SEKSUELE AANKLACHTEN

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/140025p-124183c.html

DE MOEDER VAN HET KIND PRAAT POSITIEF OVER JACKSON TOT AAN APRIL/MEI

http://www.abcnews4.com/news/stories/1103/111704.html

DE MOEDER VAN HET KIND GEEFT TOE DAT ZE GEESTELIJK ZIEK IS GEWEEST EN HAAR ZOON HEEFT GEBRUIKT OM IN CONTACT TE KOMEN MET BROEMDHEDEN - LA DCFS RAPPORT

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/news/04/01/06a.html

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/doc.../jacko_dept.pdf

KINDEREN ONTKENNEN MISBRUIK DOOR HUN VADER MAAR VERANDEREN LATER HUN VERHAAL - STATE OF CALIFORNIA HEALTH AND WELFARE AGENCY RAPPORT

http://celebrityjustice.warnerbros.com/doc...jacko_state.pdf


Ik ben overtuigd, nu de rechter nog
Bauhausdinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 22:20
quote:
Op dinsdag 20 januari 2004 12:53 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Ik heb alvast een toekomstige openingspost in elkaar gedraaid

REDENEN WAAROM DE ZAAK TEGEN MICHAEL JACKSON GEBASEERD IS OP EEN GROTE LEUGEN

*verhaal*


Dit maakt de zaak wel even anders.
Dit verhaal heb ik niet gehoord op de Nederlandse TV...
Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 22:27
quote:
Op dinsdag 20 januari 2004 22:20 schreef Bauhaus het volgende:

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Dit maakt de zaak wel even anders.
Dit verhaal heb ik niet gehoord op de Nederlandse TV...


Dat komt omdat de media denkt dat we alleen maar negatief nieuws over MJ willen horen. Dat verkoopt immers het best en haalt de hoogste kijkcijfers.

Ik hoop dat door deze rechtszaak eindelijk eens gerechtigheid plaats zal vinden aangaande Michael Jackson. In 1993 is hij op een soortgelijke manier ten gronde gericht en voor eeuwig besmet, het wordt tijd dat de mensen ook eens de andere kant van het verhaal horen.

staticdinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 22:55
quote:
Servische royalisten boos op Michael Jackson.

Servische royalisten zijn boos op Michael Jackson. De popster droeg bij zijn verschijning vrijdag voor een Californische rechtbank een Servische onderscheiding. "Die psychisch gestoorde ezel denkt dat dat hem goed staat", aldus een van de klagers, Dragmor Acovic, in de Servische krant Blic dinsdag.

Volgens Acovic droeg Jackson een ereteken dat ooit alleen, wegens uitzonderlijke verdiensten, mocht worden uitgereikt door het Servische vorstenhuis. Op de rommelmarkt is de medaille tegenwoordig te koop voor ongeveer 500 euro en dat heeft Jackson er vast voor betaald, denkt Acovic.

De Tsjechische historicus Pavel Simunek vertelde het Franse persbureau AFP dat het gaat om een koninklijke onderscheiding, in 1882 ingesteld door prins (later koning) van Servië Milan Obrenovic. Simunek zei niet goed te kunnen zien of Jackson een authentiek exemplaar of een goedgelukte kopie droeg.


Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 20 januari 2004 @ 23:35
quote:
Op dinsdag 20 januari 2004 22:55 schreef static het volgende:

[Servische royalisten boos op Michael Jackson]


En ze hebben hun aandacht...

Jemig, wat een stelletje zeikerds.

Naturewoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 00:46
Hij is gestoord, maar wel onschuldig.
Bauhauswoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 01:37
quote:
Op woensdag 21 januari 2004 00:46 schreef Nature het volgende:
Hij is gestoord, maar wel onschuldig.
Ik begin ook die kant uit te neigen...

Nee, hij is gewoon onschuldig en wil juist aardig zijn tegen kinderen.

De media is dus weer gekker, net als over zaken die er wel toe doen.

Cosma-Shivawoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 02:14
quote:
Op dinsdag 20 januari 2004 12:53 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

REDENEN WAAROM DE ZAAK TEGEN MICHAEL JACKSON GEBASEERD IS OP EEN GROTE LEUGEN


Beste Brave_Sir_Robin,

Je hebt een opsomming gemaakt van 'feiten' die volgens jou in het voordeel van MJ spreken.

Ik haal er één uit:

quote:
3. De vader van het kind is naar buiten gekomen en zegt dat de moeder van deze kinderen hun scripts gegeven heeft en hun getraind heeft om in wettelijke handelingen te liegen.
De advocaat van de vader bezit kopieën van deze verklaringen en heeft ze inmiddels doorgespeeld aan Michael Jacksons advocaat, Geragos.
De advocaat beschikt over kopieën van de verklaringen van de vader, en dat moet als bewijs dienen van MJ's onschuld?

Heeft hij ook kopieën van de scipts? (en vind je het niet wat ongeloofwaardig dat kinderen die nog amper kunnen lezen wel scripts zouden kunnen bestuderen?)
Waarom geloof je die vader op zijn woord, hij heeft bekend zijn kinderen/vrouw te hebben mishandeld en is hierop uit de ouderlijke macht gezet, dus wat maakt dat je zo'n waarde hecht aan zijn verhaal? (bewijzen heeft hij niet geleverd)

Indien de moeder van Gavin alles bekokstooft heeft en alleen maar uit is op geld dan had ze imo vele interviews gegeven de afgelopen 2 maanden aangezien ze daar zéker heel veel geld voor zou hebben ontvangen, en ze heeft geen enkele garantie ooit 1 dollar te krijgen van MJ.

Tot slot, de LAPD ontkend ooit bij het februari-onderzoek betrokken te zijn geweest.

(post je al op het court-forum? grtz )

Cosma-Shivawoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 02:43
Deze ook nog maar even:
quote:
Op dinsdag 20 januari 2004 12:53 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

DE MOEDER VAN HET KIND GEEFT TOE DAT ZE HAAR ZOON HEEFT GEBRUIKT OM IN CONTACT TE KOMEN MET BROEMDHEDEN - LA DCFS RAPPORT


De doktoren hadden Gavin opgegeven (hij zou volgens hen toen nog 2 weken te leven hebben), daardoor kwam hij in aanmerking voor het last-wish project en mocht hij een lijstje maken met 3 beroemdheden welke hij graag wilde ontmoeten; alledrie hebben ze daar gehoor aan gegeven.

De moeder geeft helemaal niet toe dat ze haar zoon heeft gebruikt om in contact te komen met beroemdheden; alsof ze niets anders aan haar hoofd had op dat moment.

Iwan1976woensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 06:31
quote:
Op woensdag 21 januari 2004 02:14 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

De advocaat beschikt over kopieën van de verklaringen van de vader, en dat moet als bewijs dienen van MJ's onschuld?

Heeft hij ook kopieën van de scipts? (en vind je het niet wat ongeloofwaardig dat kinderen die nog amper kunnen lezen wel scripts zouden kunnen bestuderen?)


Gavin is oud genoeg om te kunnen lezen. Die 2 jongere kinderen kunnen natuurlijk gewoon door de moeder voorgelezen worden. En het is algemeen bekend dat sprookjes over koningen (King of Pop MJ) en prinsen (Prince Michael Jackson I/II) er in gaan als koek bij die kids. Ik ben benieuwd hoe dit sprookje gaat aflopen... wie leeft er nog lang en gelukkig?

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Iwan1976 op 21-01-2004 06:50]

Stefkuhwoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 07:16
quote:
Op woensdag 21 januari 2004 00:46 schreef Nature het volgende:
Hij is gestoord, maar wel onschuldig.
precies dit denk ik ook. En dan weer.. ondanks dattie gestoord is blijf ik groot fan van zijn muziek.

Had ie toch maar ergens rond 1987 gestopt met zijn vervormingen...

MICHAEL NOT GUILTY!!

PimDwoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 08:41
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Op woensdag 21 januari 2004 07:16 schreef Stefkuh het volgende:

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Had ie toch maar ergens rond 1987 gestopt met zijn vervormingen...


Inderdaad. Hij had na 1987 moeten stoppen met het verbouwen van z'n gezicht en hij had met HIStory moeten stoppen - dan was ie een legende geweest/gebleven. Nu zal ie toch altijd herinnerd worden als 'die freak die kinderen misbruikte', ook al word ie onschuldig bevonden.
PLAE@woensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 09:47
1987 stoppen? dan had hij dangerous niet meer gemaatk

Hij had gewoon vanaf 1990 niks meer moeten verbouwen. Maar dat was noodzakelijk doordat het er hard op achteruit ging

Marinuswoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 10:13
quote:
Old Man's Gotta A Problem With Jackson!
21/01/2004
Michael Jackson has today got a fresh fight on his hands he is being taken on by an 87-year-old war veteran from Ipswich (UK).

Second World War veteran Terry Miles has hit out at the moonwalking pop star after he walked into an American courthouse sporting a British army badge.

Upon his jacket, Michael Jackson sported a British army badge recognised by Ipswich veteran Mr Miles as the emblem used by the Royal Army Service Corps.

And the 87-year-old ex-member saw red when he noticed the army badge being treated as a fashion statement.

To Mr Miles, Jackson's attire was nothing less than "an insult to Queen and country".

Mr Miles said: "My wife pointed it out to me in the paper. I was disgusted. My insides went berserk.

"That badge, being worn by any other nationality, is to me an insult to our Queen and country.

"It means everything to me as a soldier. I think the man should be stopped from wearing it. When I was a young man, if you bought an army coat, you took off the buttons that had the crest.

"That man had made a mistake," he added sternly.

Source: Evening Star


Jezus wat een stelletje zeikerds. Ga je pacemaker toch goed afstellen ofzo. Irritante zeikfiguren
Marinuswoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 10:13
dubbel, scusi
Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 12:47
quote:
Op woensdag 21 januari 2004 02:14 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Beste Brave_Sir_Robin,

Je hebt een opsomming gemaakt van 'feiten' die volgens jou in het voordeel van MJ spreken.


Ik heb het slechts vertaald
quote:
Ik haal er één uit:

De advocaat beschikt over kopieën van de verklaringen van de vader, en dat moet als bewijs dienen van MJ's onschuld?

Heeft hij ook kopieën van de scipts? (en vind je het niet wat ongeloofwaardig dat kinderen die nog amper kunnen lezen wel scripts zouden kunnen bestuderen?)
Waarom geloof je die vader op zijn woord, hij heeft bekend zijn kinderen/vrouw te hebben mishandeld en is hierop uit de ouderlijke macht gezet, dus wat maakt dat je zo'n waarde hecht aan zijn verhaal? (bewijzen heeft hij niet geleverd)


Punt drie is niet het sterkste punt, nee. Maar al wel is duidelijk dat het eerder is voorgekomen dat de familie opeens van verklaring verandert. Het scenario wat de vader dus schetst is zeker niet onwaarschijnlijk.
quote:
Indien de moeder van Gavin alles bekokstooft heeft en alleen maar uit is op geld dan had ze imo vele interviews gegeven de afgelopen 2 maanden aangezien ze daar zéker heel veel geld voor zou hebben ontvangen, en ze heeft geen enkele garantie ooit 1 dollar te krijgen van MJ.
Volgens mij worden de touwtjes momenteel strak in handen gehouden door Sneddon en consorten.
quote:
Tot slot, de LAPD ontkend ooit bij het februari-onderzoek betrokken te zijn geweest.
Daar is mij niets van bekend, en als het zo is dan is er altijd nog de betrokkenheid van de kinderbescherming.
quote:
Op woensdag 21 januari 2004 02:43 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Deze ook nog maar even
[..]
De doktoren hadden Gavin opgegeven (hij zou volgens hen toen nog 2 weken te leven hebben), daardoor kwam hij in aanmerking voor het last-wish project en mocht hij een lijstje maken met 3 beroemdheden welke hij graag wilde ontmoeten; alledrie hebben ze daar gehoor aan gegeven.

De moeder geeft helemaal niet toe dat ze haar zoon heeft gebruikt om in contact te komen met beroemdheden; alsof ze niets anders aan haar hoofd had op dat moment.


Ze geeft het inderdaad niet op die manier toe (ik moet alles ook lezen en herlezen ). Wel zegt ze dit:

The following is a passage from confidential documents from the L.A. County Department of Children and Family Services:

"When [Case Worker] asked Mother about the celebrities, she said she just met them on the street and one introduced her to another. They are our friends. They shower us with love. We see them very often. They come to our house and we go to their house. We go places together and we eat together. [Case Worker] asked where in the street she met the celebrities and mother said the street is anything outside my house. Mother said she did not want to answer the question about where she met the celebrities because this is private. [Case Worker] said it is a bit unusual to just meet a bunch of celebrities in the street. Mother said that they are just like everybody else. [Case Worker] said that is not true. [Case Worker] asked if Mother has had any psychological or psychiatric treatment and she refused to answer....Eventually Mom said that they met the celebrities due to her sons illness and that the celebrities are very supportive of her son and their family. [Case Worker] knows that some celebrities do in fact visit children who have cancer. Mom says that she has found ways to get things for her kids."

Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 12:59
Even weer de zaak uit 1993 erbij halen. De audiotape waarop de vader van Jordi Chandler (die hem toen aanklaagde) te behoren is, is nu te beluisteren.

Op de (illegaal opgenomen) tape zegt hij dat hij Michael helemaal kapot zal maken en zijn carriere ook.

Download het videofragment

Iwan1976woensdag 21 januari 2004 @ 20:41
Defense Lawyer: Michael Has 95 to 100 % chance of winning
Tuesday, January 20, 2004
Another lawyer weighs in on case

A well-known Pennsylvania defense lawyer was recently interviewed by the Philadelphia Tribune and asked about his thoughts regarding Michael Jackson's criminal case. Below is that interview in its entirety.

Area lawyer speaks on Jackson case
By Kimberly C. Roberts
Tribune Entertainment Writer

Pop star Michael Jackson, charged with seven counts of performing lewd or lascivious acts upon a child under 14, and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent, is scheduled to be arraigned today in Santa Maria, Calif. The charges stem from allegations by a 12-year-old cancer patient who was featured in the 2003 Martin Bashir documentary "Living with Michael Jackson."

During a recent question-and-answer session, Michael Coard, one of the most respected criminal defense lawyers in the Philadelphia area, addressed some of the issues surrounding the high-profile case.

Kimberly C. Roberts: It has been said that the prosecutor, Tom Sneddon, has a personal vendetta against Jackson because he couldn't make the charges against him stick back in '93. Do you get that impression?

Michael Coard: That's absolutely correct! In fact, the '93 case fizzled, and the other thing that's not getting a lot of publicity is the fact that Sneddon had already announced that he was going to retire. So it looks to me that what he wants before his planned retirement is a Michael Jackson trophy on his wall. He couldn't get it in '93, now there's a slight chance he might get it because, for Sneddon now, it's all or nothing. He couldn't get it in '93, he wants to get it now so that his planned retirement can go on as scheduled, and as I said, he can put that Michael Jackson trophy on the wall. Clearly he is taking this thing too personally, based on the 1993 case. No doubt about it!

KCR: As a criminal defense lawyer, what would your strategy be if you were defending Michael Jackson?

MC: As you know, the prosecution goes first with its case and the defense goes second. If the prosecution did not put on a strong enough case, I would argue something called a demurrer, also known as a motion for judgment of acquittal. It's simply a request to the judge that says this: "Judge, you've heard all of the prosecution's case, you've heard all of their evidence, you've heard all of their testimony. So what?"

You're saying, "Even if you believe what they say, judge, what they say doesn't rise to the level of the crime that my client has been charged with." So I'm arguing as a matter of law the prosecution's case is insufficient, so I'm raising this demurrer, I'm moving for a judgment of acquittal, and I don't even need to put on my case. If the prosecution's case is weak enough, the judge will throw it out right then and there.

But the judge might say, "Well, Mr. Coard, I hear your argument, but the prosecution, I'm not saying put on a strong case, but they did put on enough to carry the case forward." Having said that, the first thing I probably would do, just to let the jury know what kind of guy my client is, I'd put on all my character witnesses first.

Of course you run a risk with Michael Jackson as your defendant, because the prosecution is probably going to deal with the issue of a grown man having boys in his bed. But I would argue that there was no crime committed and there were no charges filed. That stuff might be weird, but it's not a crime.

The third thing I'd do is to call the complainant himself to the stand. Why? During this program that was on back in February, the child was actually interviewed. In fact, he was with Michael Jackson at the time, and he stated that he and Michael Jackson actually were in the same room together, but never in the same bed together. So if the boy, during the trial, when the prosecution calls him, says that, 'Yeah, Michael Jackson and I were in the same room, but never in the same bed,' then I wouldn't call him to the stand because he's already helped me.

But if he, as we say in the criminal justice system, "goes south," if he gets on the stand and says, "Michael Jackson molested me, he brutalized me, he raped me," if he says all those things, what I would do is to have that videotape available in the courtroom and impeach him with his prior statement.

Once you get that in, you can argue during closing, "Ladies and gentlemen, the prosecution has the burden to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Their major witness is a liar. Either he was lying when he said Michael Jackson did this to him, or he was lying when he said Michael Jackson did not do this to him. But the fact is, he's a liar."

They've got Michael Jackson charged with seven counts of lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14. The problem is this: They say of those seven counts, five of them happened between Feb. 7 and March 10. Now that would mean that Michael Jackson is the dumbest person in the history of criminal defense, because this documentary was broadcast worldwide on Feb. 6! He's already said some stuff that makes him look bad. Why would he then go out and do some stuff? Maybe he could have done these things before the broadcast, (but) now he's thinking, "Oh my God! Now that this stuff is all over the world, maybe I'd better take a back seat and slow down and have no connection with little boys." But if Michael Jackson knew that he had not done anything, then of course he's going to continue to act as he already has.

KCR: I know that you don't have all the facts, but given the information that you do have, do you think that Jackson will be able to beat these charges?

MC: No doubt about it. It's not even going to be close, because everything that I'm telling you now obviously has gone out by way of the media, but (Jackson's attorney) Mark Geragos knows that and much more. All of that's going to come out. The DA has kind of tipped his hand because of this personal vendetta. It's no doubt about it. I'm extremely confident about Kobe's (Bryant) case. I'd say that Kobe has a 75 to 80 percent chance of being found not guilty. I'd say that Michael Jackson's got a 95 to 100 percent chance of winning."

BRON: MJNI.COM

Cosma-Shivadonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 00:35
quote:
Op woensdag 21 januari 2004 20:41 schreef Iwan1976 het volgende:

Defense Lawyer: Michael Has 95 to 100 % chance of winning


Ah ok, MJ heeft deze zaak eigenlijk al zo goed als zeker gewonnen, waar hebben we het nog over eigenlijk.
Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 00:40
quote:
Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 00:35 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

[..]

Ah ok, MJ heeft deze zaak eigenlijk al zo goed als zeker gewonnen, waar hebben we het nog over eigenlijk.


Is inderdaad pure propaganda. Hoe kan die advocaat op basis van wat we nu weten ooit zulke uitspraken doen?

Wat vond je trouwens van het audiofragment?

Mylenedonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 00:43
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Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 00:40 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]

Is inderdaad pure propaganda. Hoe kan die advocaat op basis van wat we nu weten ooit zulke uitspraken doen?

Wat vond je trouwens van het audiofragment?


Ik kan me dergelijke uitspraken goed voorstellen. Zou ik ook doen als ik hoorde dat iemand mijn kind heeft misbruikt.

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door schatje op 22-01-2004 00:45]

milagrodonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 00:45
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Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 00:43 schreef schatje het volgende:

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Ik kan me degelijke uitspraken goed voorstellen. Zou ik ook doen als ik hoorde dat iemand mijn kind heeft misbruikt.


Precies, ik vind dat nog netjes eigenlijk
Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 00:48
Deze tape is opgenomen ruim voordat hij met de aanklacht kwam. Hij had een heel plan klaar. Hij zegt ook duidelijk 'If I go through with this...' Niet echt woorden die me op de plaats lijken. Waarom 'if' ?

En het is slechts een fragment uit een langere opname.

Hier een transcript van het hele gesprek:

In early July 1993, Dave Schwartz, who had been friendly with Chandler, secretly tape-recorded a lengthy telephone conversation he had with him. During the conversation, Chandler talked of his concern for his son and his anger at Jackson and at his ex-wife, whom he described as "cold and heartless." When Chandler tried to "get her attention" to discuss his suspicions about Jackson, he says on the tape, she told him "Go fuck yourself."

"I had a good communication with Michael," Chandler told Schwartz. "We were friends. I liked him and I respected him and everything else for what he is. There was no reason why he had to stop calling me. I sat in the room one day and talked to Michael and told him exactly what I want out of this whole relationship. What I want."

Admitting to Schwartz that he had "been rehearsed" about what to say and what not to say, Chandler never mentioned money during their conversation. When Schwartz asked what Jackson had done that made Chandler so upset, Chandler alleged only that "he broke up the family. [The boy] has been seduced by this guy's power and money." Both men repeatedly berated themselves as poor fathers to the boy.

Elsewhere on the tape, Chandler indicated he was prepared to move against Jackson: "It's already set," Chandler told Schwartz. "There are other people involved that are waiting for my phone call that are in certain positions. I've paid them to do it. Everything's going according to a certain plan that isn't just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy [his attorney, Barry K. Rothman, presumably] is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. And I've given him full authority to do that."

Chandler then predicted what would, in fact, transpire six weeks later: "And if I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I've checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. June will lose [custody of the son]...and Michael's career will be over."

"Does that help [the boy]?" Schwartz asked.

"That's irrelevant to me," Chandler replied. "It's going to be bigger than all of us put together. The whole thing is going to crash down on everybody and destroy everybody in sight. It will be a massacre if I don't get what I want." Instead of going to the police, seemingly the most appropriate action in a situation involving suspected child molestation, Chandler had turned to a lawyer. And not just any lawyer. He'd turned to Barry Rothman.

"This attorney I found, I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find," Chandler said in the recorded conversation with Schwartz. "All he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can, and humiliate as many people as he can. He's nasty, he's mean, he's very smart, and he's hungry for the publicity." (Through his attorney, Wylie Aitken, Rothman declined to be interviewed for this article. Aitken agreed to answer general questions limited

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Brave_Sir_Robin op 22-01-2004 00:56]

milagrodonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 00:51
als iemand met zijn poten aan mijn kind zit heb ik ook een heel plan klaar.

of je het puntje bij paaltje dan werkelijk tot daden over gaat ligt aan allerlei factoren.

Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 00:54
quote:
Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 00:51 schreef milagro het volgende:
als iemand met zijn poten aan mijn kind zit heb ik ook een heel plan klaar.
Waarom is er dan nooit enig bewijs voor gevonden voor de gerechtelijke zaak? (dus niet die MJ heeft afgekocht)
Cosma-Shivadonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 01:17
quote:
Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 00:54 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

Waarom is er dan nooit enig bewijs voor gevonden voor de gerechtelijke zaak? (dus niet die MJ heeft afgekocht)


Wie zegt dat er geen bewijs was?

Chandler wilde niet getuigen (volgens afspraak) dus was er geen zaak.

Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 11:32
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Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 01:17 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Wie zegt dat er geen bewijs was?

Chandler wilde niet getuigen (volgens afspraak) dus was er geen zaak.


Waarom is er dan toch een gigantisch onderzoek naar Michaels daden ingezet? Er zou wel degelijk een zaak geweest zijn als ze iets hadden gevonden.

And what became of the massive investigation of Jackson? After millions of dollars were spent by prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions, and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found. (In June 1994, still determined to find even one corroborating witness, three prosecutors and two police detectives flew to Australia to again question Wade Robson, the boy who had acknowledged that he'd slept in the same bed with Jackson. Once again, the boy said that nothing bad had happened.)

The sole allegations leveled against Jackson, then, remain those made by one youth, and only after the boy had been give a potent hypnotic drug, leaving him susceptible to the power of suggestion.

Bron: http://www.usnewslink.com/framedjackson.htm

staticdonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 17:31
quote:
[b]'Slachtoffer' Jackson in slechte gezondheid.

Het jongetje dat Michael Jackson beschuldigt van misbruik, verkeert in bijzonder slechte gezondheid. De jongen heeft kanker en wordt voortdurend verzorgd door zijn familie. Ze kunnen weinig aandacht besteden aan de rechtszaak. Dat heeft de voormalige advocaat van de moeder van het kind donderdag tegenover de Associated Press verklaard.

Dickerman stelt tevens dat hij denkt dat er voldoende bewijzen tegen Jackson zijn. "Er is meer dan genoeg overtuigend mondeling bewijs", aldus Dickerman. Ook zou een psycholoog overtuigende bewijzen van mishandeling vastgesteld hebben na gesprekken. De advocaat verklaarde 'niet verbaasd' te zijn als er ook fysiek bewijs zal worden aangevoerd.

Dickerman leerde de familie van het vermeende misbruikte jongetje kennen, nadat hij door Jamie Masada aan hen werd voorgesteld. Masada is eigenaar van een comedy club, die ook Jackson en het jongetje aan elkaar voorstelden in 2002.

Tegen Jackson zijn vorige maand zeven aanklachten wegens misbruik van een kind van 14 jaar ingediend, en twee wegens het toedienen van wijn aan minderjarigen. Jackson zegt onschuldig te zijn.


PLAE@donderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 17:44
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Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 01:17 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

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Wie zegt dat er geen bewijs was?

Chandler wilde niet getuigen (volgens afspraak) dus was er geen zaak.


Er kwam geen strafzaak. En omdat er in een burgerrechtzaak alleen nog wat geld te winnen was kon men beter settelen.

Er was dus niet genoeg bewijs voor een strafzaak toendertijd

Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 17:46
quote:
Op donderdag 22 januari 2004 17:31 schreef static het volgende:

'Slachtoffer' Jackson in slechte gezondheid.


Vanavond komt voormalig woordvoerder voor Michael Jackson op Entertainment Tonight in de USA en bij hun aankondiging staat het volgende:

Backerman also reveals what he found out about the alleged victim's health. "My understanding is that the boy is in no worse shape than he was seven, eight, nine months ago," he says. "Clearly he has an affliction that's not fun. However, my understanding is that he's doing well."

Backerman goes on to say Jackson is only being accused for the sake of money. "From my observations and people I spoke to, I think very much he's being used as a pawn ... Michael was very good to this boy. Michael befriended him and vice versa ... in my opinion it's all about money."

Tja, wie moet je nu weer geloven?

staticdonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 18:05
Vanavond een special op MTV; 20:30 geloof ik.
Iwan1976donderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 18:09
Grace Rwarmba Interview
Wednesday, January 21, 2004
Michael Jackson's Nanny speaks

Below is an interview that MSNBC's Stacy Brown conducted with Grace Rwarmba, the Nanny to Michael Jackson's children:

MSNBC: There's been a lot of talk about you in the media lately. What's your reaction?

Rwarmba: I'm flabbergasted. I cannot believe they are interested in me. Neither Michael nor I watch television because of the propaganda. The interest of the media in me is so displaced and potentially troubling. I will not allow the media to shape or mold my emotions with what is written and said about Michael and I.

MSNBC: What is it about you that you'd like people to know?

Rwarmba: If the media really wants to know who I am, why don't they bring their cameras along with me to underdeveloped or third world countries where six-year-old children are living in the streets without parents. Or go with me where there are earthquake victims in the Middle East and where thousands are dying. Come go with me even closer to home to our emergency rooms in hospitals where hard working people are turned away just because they don't have health insurance.

MSNBC: What about the non-stop reports that you introduced Michael Jackson to the Nation of Islam?

Rwarmba: Totally false. I did not introduce Michael to the Nation of Islam. In fact, Jermaine Jackson didn't introduce them to Michael Jackson either.

MSNBC: Are you a Muslim?

Rwarmba: I have strong beliefs in God and have a keen interest in religion and am aware of my spirituality. I have studied the bible with (Jacksons friend) Dr. Firpo Carr and Michael's sister, Rebbie Jackson, and Dr. Carr and Rebbie Jackson are Jehovah's Witnesses.

MSNBC: Why do you think Michael is again facing allegations of child abuse?

Rwarmba: Satan the Devil. He is behind all of this mess.

BRON: MJNI.COM

matthijstdonderdag 22 januari 2004 @ 18:09
't draait alleen maar om geld. Als je dat nu nog niet ziet.
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 12:03
Nu Sneddon ervoor heeft gezorgd dat er een spreekverbod heerst kunnen de aanklagers beginnen met hun charme-offensief voor de aanklagende familie.

Jamie Masada, de man die Gavin in contact heeft gebracht met MJ, hield gisteren een persconferentie over de slechte gezondheid van Gavin (waarom in hemelsnaam?) die boordevol tegenstrijdigheden stond.

Accusing Family Using Illness to Gain Sympathy?

There is a new round of reports claiming that Jacksons accuser is gravely ill. However, sources have told MSNBCs Dan Abrams that the accuser is in good health:

New reports today suggests that he is ill, struggling with medical problems, out of the spotlightNow my sources tell me the boy is actually doing quite well, considering that he is still recovering from a bout with cancer.

In fact, if the accuser was gravely ill, Sneddon would have already filed court documents addressing the issue according to criminal defense attorney Natasha Lapiner-Gerisi:
You said you are not sure if this leak is true or what youve heard that the kid is in good health. I think if he was gravely ill, we would be seeing moving papers from the district attorney saying I think we might need a conditional examination.

No such documents have been filed thus far.

In an effort to gain sympathy, Jamie Masada, the man who introduced this accuser to Jackson, held a press conference today (Jan 22) claiming the accuser needs a new kidney, but is doing better. Masada is whining that the family is a very simple, naïve family, who only wants justice. Masada does not explain, however, why the family attempted to file a civil lawsuit against Jackson last year if they only wanted justice (see Bombshell from Johnny Cochran), nor does he say who gave him the authority to hold a press conference discussing the health of the accuser.

According to Masada, he took the family to attorney Bill Dickerman because the accusers name and image were used in the Martin Bashir documentary without getting written permission from his mother. It is unclear how many attorneys the mother went to before Masada took her to Dickerman.

This, however, totally contradicts what Dickerman himself has said in an interview with NBC earlier. Dickerman basically claimed on an episode of Dateline NBC that the accusing family came to him because the mother was concerned about some of her property being taken and put into storage by Jacksons people without her permission. Most of the media have yet to point out such obvious contradictions in the very reason why civil attorneys were initially brought into this situation.

Sources have said previously that the mother went to Jackson demanding money for her sons appearance in the documentary. When Jackson didnt pay up, she went to an attorney. Dickerman then directed the family to Larry Feldman, the same attorney involved in the 1993 case. Inexplicably, the accuser suddenly had to see a shrink where allegations of molestation were dragged out of him. In fact, Masada did not explain how the meeting escalated from talking about an unapproved appearance in a documentary, to the accuser needing to see a shrink to discuss molestation. Suspicious? Highly.

Masada made an interesting statement during the press conference. He says the accuser is on medication because of his illness. If Jackson had plied this accuser with an intoxicating substance like wine in order to molest him, the combination of pills and alcohol would most like have killed him.

One interesting question is why this story seems to keep resurfacing, although it never accompanies any report of the accuser definitely being admitted to a hospital anywhere. It is unlikely someone would be gravely ill and not be under a physicians care. This obvious question is most likely why Masada held the press conference to clear up the gravely ill rumors.

Even if one would have taken these reports seriously, the accusing family would have had to explain why the accusing child appeared to be healthy physically, mentally and emotionally as long as he was under Jacksons attention and care. Then, away from Jacksons finances and attention, hes suddenly gravely ill again.

The most interesting question, however, is whether or not the accusers family is pushing this story as a way to gain sympathy for the accuser. Further, some people may be trying to play to Jacksons heartstrings in hopes he will cave to prosecutors and not defend himself in a misguided effort to spare the accuser from having to go through a trial. Jackson is showing no signs of falling for this possible rouse.

The next time news organizations start to cover Jackson with as much intensity as they did during his arraignment, we will more than likely hear another round of gravely ill rumors designed to off-set any gains in public opinion for Jackson. And we may also get another press conference where Masada is boo-hooing about receiving death threats. Keep your hankies ready folks.

Stay tuned.

Iwan1976vrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 17:00
Message From Michael's Team
Friday, January 23, 2004
To the fans...

Below is a message from Michael Jackson's Team - to his wonderful fans accross the globe:

"Dear Fans:

By now nearly everyone has returned home after a wonderful showing of support for Michael in Santa Maria, California at his arraignment. Michael wishes to deeply thank those who traveled from both within and outside of the United States. Your presence definitely made a positive impact on his day and as you could see he was overwhelmed by your love and support. To those of you who could not travel but were with Michael in spirit, he also extends a heartfelt expression of gratitude. In the coming weeks we will continue to update you and will keep you posted on future court dates where Michael will be in attendance. We will let you know as early as possible when Michael will be in court so that you can make travel plans and join Michael as he fights these false and vicious allegations. Thank you once again. Michael sends his love.

Michael's Team"

BRON: MJNI.COM

Iwan1976vrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 17:11
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 januari 2004 12:03 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Accusing Family Using Illness to Gain Sympathy?
Ik kan me goed voorstellen dat die jongen zich op het moment niet zo goed voelt. Het is niet ondenkbaar dat hij bezwijkt onder de druk die op hem wordt uitgeoefend door enerzijds zijn moeder, DA Thomas Sneddon en de politie... en anderzijds MJ, advocaat Mark Geragos en de fans... en daar tussenin de doorgedraaide media.
milagrovrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 19:00
Nou, lekkere persconferentie net op RTL Boulevard vd man die het kankerpatientje aan MJ heeft voorgesteld.

Even zoeken of ik er een berichtje van kan vinden.

Het gaat iig om deze man, denk ik...

quote:
The singer was introduced to the alleged victim by Jamie Masada, a comedy club owner who runs a childrens camp. Masada said the boy, hospitalized with cancer, wanted to meet Jackson, and Jackson obliged, forming a relationship with the boy and his mother.

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door milagro op 23-01-2004 19:06]

Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 19:35
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 januari 2004 19:00 schreef milagro het volgende:
Nou, lekkere persconferentie net op RTL Boulevard vd man die het kankerpatientje aan MJ heeft voorgesteld.

Even zoeken of ik er een berichtje van kan vinden.

Het gaat iig om deze man, denk ik...


Klopt, gaat om Masada. Ik noem de persconferentie een paar posts hoger ook al.
milagrovrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 20:13
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 januari 2004 19:35 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]

Klopt, gaat om Masada. Ik noem de persconferentie een paar posts hoger ook al.


Massada zegt met de dood bedreigd te zijn als hij nog maar iets negatiefs over MJ zou zeggen.
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 20:16
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 januari 2004 20:13 schreef milagro het volgende:
Massada zegt met de dood bedreigd te zijn als hij nog maar iets negatiefs over MJ zou zeggen.
Ja, dat zal best, er lopen heel wat gekke MJ fans rond. Maar dat heeft natuurlijk niet zoveel met de zaak te maken.
milagrovrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 20:17
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 januari 2004 20:16 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]

Ja, dat zal best, er lopen heel wat gekke MJ fans rond. Maar dat heeft natuurlijk niet zoveel met de zaak te maken.


dat ligt eraan waar de bedreigingen vandaan komen, dat heb ik niet meegekregen.
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 20:39
Dat heeft hij niet gezegd. Hij deelde het alleen mee zodat de wereld dit wist mocht hem iets overkomen.
MadGuyvrijdag 23 januari 2004 @ 20:45
Gekker?

Volgens mij is het push en pull. Zoals altijd overigens. We love to hate them...

Cosma-Shivazondag 25 januari 2004 @ 04:00
Michael Jackson is niet de vader van 'zijn' kinderen:
quote:
Jacko is NOT their father

By Carole Aye Maung, US Correspondent

MEGASTAR Michael Jackson's claim he is the natural father of the two children born to ex-wife Debbie Rowe is a LIE.

Debbie was artificially inseminated with anonymously donated sperm to give birth to son Prince Michael Jnr and daughter Paris.

The bombshell factrevealed by Debbie in a legal dossiercould be her strongest weapon in her bid to wrest control of the children from 45-year-old Jacko.

She wants to stop him using "rich and influential friends" to send Prince Michael and Paris out of the U.S. before he faces charges of sexually abusing a 12-year-old boy.

The News of the World has learned the secrets of the documents drawn up by Debbie, seen with Jackson top right, as she prepares to seek "temporary exclusive custody" of the children. The papers reveal:

Jackson hid the truth about the PATERNITY of the children, aged six and five, when he was grilled about their light-complexioned features by Martin Bashir for his ITV documentary. The star insisted he WAS their true biological father.

Jacko and Debbie DID enter into a SURROGACY agreement on January 23 1996. The deal made their marriage ceremony nine months later a total shamaimed only at securing his parental rights.

Michael was so obsessed with controlling the creation of each child he imposed a six-month SEX BAN on Debbie before insemination.

In return for bearing Michael two children, Debbie received a staggering £6million PAY-OFF. She also got a £1.6million Beverly Hills home, a car, clothes, furs and jewels. Michael continues to pay her monthly expenses. Last month she claimed £35,000.

In the surrogacy agreement Debbie, 41, agreed to "knowingly and voluntarily waive my right to contest Michael's paternity of either child" and "consent to Michael being declared the father".

But in the legal documents she also described the astonishing secrets of how she became pregnant.

Debbie states: "I have no information whatsoever about the identity of the semen donor for either child, as such semen was obtained anonymously from a semen bank under an agreement of confidentiality.

"I consented to the artificial insemination with the specific intent of bearing a child to which Michael would be the father and treated in all respects as the father..."

Blonde and blue-eyed Debbie also details how Jacko insisted that for six months she "refrained from sexual relations and avoided any possibility of semen being introduced into my body other than by way of surgical artificial insemination."

On May 28 and 29, 1996, following the stipulated sex ban, Debbie was artifically inseminated by Beverly Hills fertility specialist, Dr Hal C. Danzer.

He confirms: "I was requested by Petitioner, Deborah Rowe Jackson and Respondent, Michael J. Jackson to perform an artificial insemination of semen, donated to and for the use of Respondent, into the uterus of Petitioner for the principal purpose of assisting Respondent in having a child of his own."

The pair married in Australia on November 15 1996, three months before Prince Michael Jr was born.

After another four months Debbie was inseminated again, and Paris was born in April 1998.

By October the following year the couple were divorced. Jacko went on to have son Prince Michael II nicknamed Blanket with a second surrogate mum.

His divorce agreement with Debbie shows she agreed to give him "sole legal and physical custody".

She was allowed to visit the children only once every 45 days, between 10am and 7pm, with their nanny Gracie Rwarmba present.

Jacko gave Debbie a first-class plane ticket for each visit. But the following year she agreed to give up her visiting rights altogether.

In her declaration to regain custody, she explains: "In or about November 2000, I believed that Michael was the most wonderful father in the worldbased upon observations with him and our children."

But then her fears grew that he would send Prince Michael and Paris out of the US.

She states: "Michael has close, influential and rich friends all over the world...

"He has the ability to have the children taken out of the United States and never returned. He has the financial ability to rent a private jet at a moment's notice."

She also claims that Jackson is "easily influenced" and she fears he is being led by extremist Muslims in the Nation of Islam movement.

Worries

She states: "Michael's involvement with a cult, Nation Of Islam, is horrifying to me. I am Jewish and I converted to Judaism in 1982 before marrying my first husband. Therefore, our children are Jewish."

Debbie says she knows the Nation of Islam "do not like Jews" which "causes me endless worries".

She also claims she told Jacko last month she would never agree to his "secret plans" for his mother Katherine to adopt her children.

Jackson continues to show "poor judgment," she says, in stating it is acceptable for him to sleep in the same bed with children.

And she suggests that she move into the Neverland ranch with the children now Michael has vowed never to return there.

Jacko has vowed to fight to keep the children. He will stand trial on the abuse charges later this year.

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/showbiz/showbiz2.shtml


matthijstzondag 25 januari 2004 @ 17:08
News Of The World
Hahaha, da's Privé + Story + Weekend x 10
Mylenezondag 25 januari 2004 @ 17:17
Heerlijk artikel uit de Sun :
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Jacko isn't fit to be a dad

SUPERSTAR Michael Jackson has been branded unfit to be a dad by his ex-wife as she prepares to unleash a bitter court battle.

Lawyers acting for Debbie Rowe, who has two children by the 45-year-old singer, have drawn up an application seeking custody of them.

And according to a source who has seen the legal documents - due to be lodged in a Los Angeles court in the next two weeks - they "pull no punches".

The papers are said to accuse Jackson of being an "unfit father" to Prince Michael, six, and Paris, five.

Debbie, 41, also expresses fears about the welfare of the youngsters given that Jacko is currently facing molestation charges.

The source said: "The papers accuse Michael of everything. Debbie wants the children and she wants them now."

Debbie - who has always denied Jacko paid her to have the children - is being represented by the lawyer who handled her 1999 divorce, Iris Finsilver.

Jackson is due to stand trial later this year on seven counts of child abuse and two of administering an intoxicating substance.

But it is not only the current allegations that have provoked Debbie into suing for custody.

In her application she says she is also worried about the way her children are made to wear masks in public and are kept in virtual seclusion away from other kids.

The source said: "She points out in the papers that they do not have a normal childhood.

"They don't get to play with other children much, they spend virtually all their time with their father, they don't even go to school, they are tutored at home."

"Debbie says she does not feel the children are growing up like other kids their age. They live as bizarre an existence as their dad does."

Debbie, who is Jewish, is also increasingly worried about Jacko's involvement with the controversial group The Nation of Islam.

The kids' nanny Grace Rwarmba is a member of the organisation, whose leader Louis Farrakhan has made anti-semitic statements.

Debbie has also found a surprise ally in prominent women's rights lawyer Gloria Allred.

Allred filed a letter of complaint to the LA Department of Children and Family Services asking them to investigate the singer and take his children into temporary custody.

Debbie - pregnant when she wed Jackson in Australia in 1996 - was reportedly paid a multi-million dollar settlement to give up her rights to the children when they divorced.

But a clause in the deal stated that if at any time she felt her children's welfare was at risk she could seek custody.

Jackson's attorney Brian Oxman hit back: "You cannot sell children in America.

"So no matter how much money Michael may have paid Debbie Rowe, no matter what the wording of his agreement with her may be, if she decides she wants her children back she can go to court and fight for custody."

Debbie met Jacko when she worked for his dermatologist in Beverly Hills. Their son Prince Michael was born on February 13, 1997.

Daughter Paris was born on April 3, 1998. Jacko revealed on Martin Bashir's ITV documentary how he had literally snatched the baby the minute she was born and ran off with her.

Debbie split with Jacko soon after and they divorced in October 1999.

Jacko went on to have another baby, Prince Michael II, with an anonymous surrogate mother - and was condemned for dangling the tot over a Berlin hotel balcony in 2002.

Debbie is believed to have indicated in her legal papers that she would be willing to bring up Prince Michael II as well as her own children if granted custody.

Yesterday Jacko's former aide Stuart Backerman said losing his children "would kill" the singer. He said: "Michael's children are critical to his life. He adores them."

Attorney Oxman praised Jacko as a father but admitted he had also become increasingly worried about the influence the Nation of Islam was having on the entertainer.


Claims ... Debbie with Jacko

Jacko has said that if he does end up going to prison his dad Joe and mum Katherine will look after his children. Debbie has told her legal advisers that she does not want that to happen.

Several meetings have taken place between both sets of lawyers to try to sort out an arrangement to avoid a custody battle.

But Jackson's camp warn Debbie she will have a fight on her hands if she does press ahead.

They say they will bring up two "significant" interviews Debbie has given over the years.

She gave one a year after her marriage in which she admitted having very little to do with the upbringing of baby Prince Michael.

Revealing how the couple lived apart she said: "I miss Michael a lot too. But I don't feel like I have to be there, I don't think being there 24 hours a day makes a better relationship."

She denied she had the baby in return for a cash payment, saying: "I didn't do this for money. I did this because I love him."

More damaging to Debbie's case is an interview she gave GMTV in April after the controversy over the Bashir documentary, in which she admitted her children do not even call her "Mum".

A source said: "The kids hardly know who she is."


milagrozondag 25 januari 2004 @ 18:16
Als MJ zijn baby had laten vallen, hadden verstokte fans nog een excuus gevonden volgens mij voor dit gedrag..ik word iedere keer weer naar als ik die foto of de beelden zie
Iwan1976zondag 25 januari 2004 @ 22:09
Custody Case "Not Happening"
Sunday, January 25, 2004
Debbie Rowe not suing for custody

"Don't believe a word of the stories coming out of the United Kingdom about Debbie Rowe suing Michael Jackson for custody of their kids."

Those are the words of Roger Friedman, FOX News, after reports of a custody battle by several UK outlets.

"Rowe is said to have laughed heartily when she heard the British tabloid The Sun made up their latest fiction", Friedman states.

This comes after earlier in the week reports came out of the UK saying that Debbie Rowe was concerned for her children being "made to wear masks when out in public." This was reported despite her appearance in a documentary less than a year ago stating that the "masks" were in fact her idea.

BRON: MJNI.COM

Iwan1976zondag 25 januari 2004 @ 22:11
Weet iemand in welke maand de vorige zaak aan het rollen is gebracht?
Iwan1976zondag 25 januari 2004 @ 22:27
quote:
Op zondag 25 januari 2004 18:16 schreef milagro het volgende:
Als MJ zijn baby had laten vallen, hadden verstokte fans nog een excuus gevonden volgens mij voor dit gedrag..ik word iedere keer weer naar als ik die foto of de beelden zie
Als, als, als... laten we ons bij de feiten houden. Je bent niet de eerste die met open ogen is gevallen in de valkuil die propaganda heet. Kijk de geschiedenis er nog maar eens op na... nog geen 60 jaar geleden, wat zeg ik... nog geen jaar geleden was er ook iemand die de media bespeelde met z'n leugens...
Iwan1976zondag 25 januari 2004 @ 22:33
Judge Orders Documents To Remain Sealed
Friday, January 23, 2004
'Hints' at what is included

Judge Rodney S. Melville today ordered for documents containing information regarding the search of Neverland to remain sealed, according to the Associated Press.The 82-page documents and related tape recordings were to be sealed as they contained "sensitive information".

When making the ruling, the Judge "hinted" at the contents: the Accuser's account of events, interviews with his family, statements regarding psychological counselling and information regarding the case in 1993, in which Michael Jackson was accused of similar allegations.

Attorney Theodore Boutrous Jr. is representing the media in trying to make these documents public. However, the Judge will be denying public access, and cannot anticipate when that would be.

News media have also been requesting a lift on the gag order that was put in place on the Prosecution and Defence on January 16th. However, Judge Melville refused this request, although he will address it on February 13th. The Judge "chastised" both sides of the case for previous comments made before the gag order was put in place, including Tom Sneddon's comment of "Wacko Jacko" in an interview with Court TV's Diane Dimond, and comments made on CNN's Larry King Live by Mark Geragos that the allegations were "a scam" and "a shakedown".

BRON: MJNI.COM

Iwan1976zondag 25 januari 2004 @ 23:51

PAULA ZAHN NOW

Interview With Andrew Card; Interview With Michael Jackson's Attorney

Aired January 21, 2004 - 20:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

PAULA ZAHN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. Thanks so much for joining us tonight. I'm Paul Zahn.
The world, the news, the names, the faces, and where we go from here on this Wednesday, January 21, 2004.

(...)

ZAHN: I'm going to have an exclusive interview with the newest member of Michael Jackson's defense team, attorney Benjamin Brafman.

Also, I will be telling you about a new report that a major TV network tried to make a deal with Michael Jackson to shelve a potentially damaging story in exchange for an interview. That would be NBC.

(...)

ZAHN: Welcome back. In just a minute, I'll have an exclusive interview I told you about, with Michael Jackson's new lawyer.

(...)

So, what was Michael Jackson's new attorney thinking when the singer jumped on the top of his SUV and blew kisses to the crowd following his arraignment. That's just one of the questions we have for Benjamin Brafman who is here for an exclusive interview.

He is under a gag order, so he may have to answer some questions quite gingerly, but he is free to talk about dealing with celebrities in court. And that's where we begin tonight. Welcome, good to see you.

BENJAMIN BRAFMAN, MICHAEL JACKSON'S ATTORNEY: Thank you very much.

ZAHN: Let's talk a little bit about strategies that you would use in defending Martha Stewart, Kobe Bryant, Michael Jackson. There clearly is a different vernacular when you have a celebrity client.

BRAFMAN: They really is. Celebrity clients are unlike any other clients, because they are generally very powerful individuals who are used to doing things their own way. And they are usually are in control or have a dozen people around them who are exercising control.

When you inject them into the criminal justice system, as a criminal defense lawyer, you need to seize control suddenly it's a new experience for them and sometimes depending on the personality that you're dealing with, a difficult job to have them understand the process.

ZAHN: Well, you also alienate a lot of people in the process too, as you try to seize control. Are you having that problem right now in the Michael Jackson case?

BRAFMAN: Not at all. To be perfectly honest with you, everyone around Michael Jackson has been terrific, including Michael. I think they recognize that I'm good at what I do. I'm going to try to do a very good job along with Mark Geragos. We have had not one minute of difficulty or divisiveness.

ZAHN: When you defended Sean "Puffy" Combs, you made a decision to put him on the stand. From when you know these other case we just brought out, Martha Stewart, Kobe Bryant, Scott Peterson, would you do that to them?

BRAFMAN: I think each case has to be viewed individually and is fact specific. What the charges are, who the client is, whether they can handle it and what they are going to say. If a client like "Puffy," who was not guilty, can get up on the witness stand and explain what happened and is a very impressive, articulate man as he is, it was a very easy call. "Puffy" wanted to testify from the moment I met him. I think he won the trial.

ZAHN: Martha Stewart, would you put her on the stand?

BRAFMAN: Depends.

ZAHN: What would concern you about putting her out there?

BRAFMAN: Well, the first thing that concerns me, she is charged with lying. So, obviously she spoke to the government once, they didn't believe her. A lot depends on what evidence they have that she wasn't telling the truth then and can they show that she's not going to be telling the truth again.

Martha Stewart, however, is such a powerful, important lady and such a success story that I think the pressure is going to be to put her on the stand because I think jurors are going to expect her to explain herself.

ZAHN: Now, I don't know if you know as little as Jeffrey Toobin does about female's handbags, but as an attorney representing her, would you happily have her walk into the courtroom with a multithousand, some said 6 to $12,000 bag in the courtroom. Would that be an arrogant gesture as far as you would be concerned?

BRAFMAN: I'll tell you the truth, given who Martha Stewart is and how much money people think she has, and how successful she is, I don't think you can dress down Martha Stewart. You can't take her to Kmart and tell her to pick out a cheap outfit so that she won't embarrass any of the jurors. This is Martha Stewart.

ZAHN: She can afford it.

BRAFMAN: To be honest with you, until the press labeled it as a $6,000 handbag, it could have been an $800 handbag.

ZAHN: Most guys wouldn't know the difference.

BRAFMAN: That's true.

ZAHN: Women who covet them would. Let's move on.

BRAFMAN: Women who covet them aren't going to be on that jury.

ZAHN: No, that is true.

Let's move on to the circus atmosphere we saw unfold on Friday. Is that something you regretted that your client Michael Jackson, after the arraignment, got up on that SUV and basically performed to his fans?

BRAFMAN: I don't think that's what happened. And I think that's what everyone thinks happened. I was there.

ZAHN: What happened?

BRAFMAN: I think what Michael Jackson saw is what we saw. The fans were pushing forward so severely, that it was becoming a dangerous situation. And what these people wanted, some traveled from Japan, from Germany, from Poland, they slept on the streets since 4:00 in the morning, they wanted to see Michael Jackson and the fences were beginning to fall down.

I mean, all of the correspondents were moving away, because we thought this was going to be like a South American soccer match where suddenly people were being trampled.

Michael Jackson, getting up on the car did two things, one, he showed some love and respect for people who flew thousands of miles away. Two, the moment he got up on the car, the people backed away and the crisis was resolved. He got in the car and pulled away. It's not going to have an impact on the outcome of the trial.

I will also tell you this was not a sign of disrespect by Michael Jackson. He's just not made that way. He's a very, very courteous, sweet, person who just doesn't think in a venal or corrupt way.

ZAHN: But that's what people thought. They thought it was sheer arrogance on his part. That he was tweaking the judge. A judge who was mad he showed up late, by the way, in court that day.

BRAFMAN: Well, I will also tell you that Michael being late that day had nothing to do with Michael Jackson who was ready to come to court since 5:00 in the morning. Moving Michael Jackson is like moving the president of the United States. It's crazy. It's absolutely nuts. He's got nothing to do with it.

There are a hundred people involved and they blew it. It will never happen again. There is nothing that Michael Jackson wanted to do to show disrespect. This is a terrific judge, he's a fair man. He ruled in Michael's favor in a number of important issues. Michael Jackson just is not a disrespectful person.

ZAHN: Let's come back to the final question of the scene you described and how spontaneously you say it unfolded. We actually have a shot of Mark Geragos, the co-lead counsel, in the crowd, standing very close to him by that SUV.

It has been reported that he actually asked Jackson to get down off the SUV. Was the defense team in control? And is that true.

BRAFMAN: We were both asking him to get down, because we were concerned that this area was becoming unsafe. This wasn't me being concerned, this was going to affect the trial or how it's going to be perceived.

I'm telling you, I was in the middle of that. It was a frightening moment. There were thousands of people pushing forward. The temporary fencing that had been erected by the local police was giving way. I think you can ask Jeffrey Toobin and Dan Abrams and anyone else who was in the circle there. There was only a couple of seconds before all hell was going to break loose and people were going to be completely out of control.

I wanted him down, yes, but what was going through my mind was, let's get Michael out of here, because this is becoming dangerous. To be perfectly honest with you, I wanted to get out of there, too.

ZAHN: A lot of speculation about the role that the Nation of Islam is playing in this case. Can you characterize for us the extent of its involvement, not only in this case, but in Michael Jackson's life? BRAFMAN: I don't know what role, if any, they have in Michael Jackson's life, if they have one, I have not been exposed to it. They are involved with security. And to be honest with you, I'm not a fan of the Nation of Islam, my kids and grandchildren live in Israel. I'm a proud Jew. And I know what their policy has been.

But I will tell you, in all due respect, if they were not there that morning, and if they were not there to supplement the security of the local police, we could have had a real tragedy on our hands. Because I was watching young kids about to be trampled and it was only the Nation of Islam security people that were able to hold people back until Michael left the scene.

I don't know what is going on in terms of his personal life. It's really known of my business. I will tell you, they treated me with extraordinary courtesy and respect. They have not tried to interfere at all in terms of any legal decision. Mark Geragos and I are completely in control of that. So, to the extent that they are working with Michael in his personal life, that's really none of my business.

ZAHN: So you say, there's absolutely no evidence of their being involved in any maneuvering, legal maneuvering at all, at least vis-a- vis your involvement.

BRAFMAN: Legal maneuvering, none whatsoever. His personal life, do they have a presence, are they dealing with them? Sure. But that's really -- and that's not why I was retained, I was brought out there, as I said, to someone very recently, I was brought out there to defend Michael Jackson, not to convert Michael Jackson.

So, to the extent that they are providing security and they are doing a good just, that's fine. If they become a disruptive influence in any way, I would make my opinion known about that and I think my opinion counts.

ZAHN: Your reputation is very well known as an attorney who has gotten a lot of his clients out of very sticky situation. Are you allowed to tell us tonight, in the general sense, what you see as your biggest challenge in defending Michael Jackson now as your case moves forward?

BRAFMAN: I'm not allowed to comment on the facts. I think the biggest challenge I have in this case, or any other case that becomes a media circus is not to lose my focus. My focus is not the case, not the atmosphere, not the media spin on what is going on.

I had an observation during the "Puff Daddy" case one day, when I said to someone in passing, look, if we have a bad press day tomorrow but at the end of the day we win, no one is going to remember the bad press day. If have you a good press day, but because of that good press day you compromised your strategy or you lost focus, then if you lose the case no one is going to remember the good press day.

So, my job is not to get a good press day. My job is to keep my focus. Mark and I are working very well together on this. And we think at the end of the day if we do our job it will have a good outcome. But I'm not prepared or permitted -- although prepared not permitted to comment on the facts.

ZAHN: Just a final thought of all the manipulation that is involved with this information. First of all, CNN is among a number of news organizations try to get the affidavit of the search of the house unsealed so we have a better understanding of what it was, these prosecutors were looking for.

Characterize for us how accurate some of the stories surrounding that affidavit been?

BRAFMAN: Well...

ZAHN: Have readers and television viewers have an accurate picture of what this case is about?

BRAFMAN: I don't think so. It never is completely accurate picture to the outside world. Whenever you're in a case, whether it's Puff Daddy or Martha Stewart or Jayson Williams or Kobe Bryant or Scott Peterson or Michael Jackson. When you're in the courtroom, sometimes you are stunned when you understand what the real facts are, when you've been reading about what the facts are supposed to be for a long time. And I think that's one of the reasons the judge in his wisdom, I think he was right on the money, and he's a very good judge.

I think the judge ruled that the affidavit stays sealed. I think this case should be decided in the courtroom and not on what someone said three months ago in order to obtain a search warrant where the standards are a lot different. So, I think if we try this case in the courtroom and you have a very strict judge who is not going to permit cameras in the courtroom, lowers the temperature, lessens the circus atmosphere, I think if we get a fair trial that's all Michael Jackson wants is a day in court.

ZAHN: Do you think you have a fair minded judge?

I mean, there were some things done in the courtroom on Friday that some people perceived as hurting you. They didn't allow you to participate in the arraignment. By the same token he was pretty tough on the prosecution that day too wasn't he.

BRAFMAN: This is a terrific judge. My papers were filed for permission to proceed. The judge did not have all of them immediately in front of them. When he got them he allowed me to participate. He listened to both sides. He was fair, I think he was correct, and he has a terrific judicial temperament. And he is a no-nonsense judge that has a great reputation. And that's what I like on the courtroom.

ZAHN: In a scale to 10 of all celebrities representative in terms of difficulty this upcoming case, Michael Jackson, where would you put it?

BRAFMAN: I think Michael Jackson is in a league of his own as a celebrity. He is a world super star. And when you are a world super star that carries with it a little bit more responsibility and perhaps difficulty, but not as a result of the case. As a result of the exposure.

ZAHN: So would that be a 12 -- on a one to 10 scale.

BRAFMAN: I like Michael Jackson and I'm going to do my best to help him.

ZAHN: Thank you for your time tonight.

(...)

A report that one TV network pursuing an interview with Michael Jackson offered to shelve a potentially damaging report about him. We'll have that story when we come back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

ZAHN: In the quest to land all things, Michael Jackson, did NBC blur the lines between news and entertainment? The "New York Times" says the network offered Jackson $5 million for exclusive video and an interview. Now along with the money, the "Times" says NBC said it would pre-empt a dateline investigative segment on Jackson. Did NBC go too far? Joining us right now, Michael Wolfe, the media critic for "New York Magazine." Also good to see you, Michael. So what did NBC do wrong here?

MICHAEL WOLFE, MEDIA CRITIC, "NEW YORK MAGAZINE": They said the word "pre-empt" and the word "pre-empt" means we're going to take what you offer us over this other thing that we had scheduled. And now NBC is saying, well, we didn't really mean that and we would do it later.

ZAHN: Let's put up on the screen what they are saying. They're saying it would constitute a scheduling change. There was actually, quote, "no quid pro quo involving NBC New or "Dateline." The proposed pre-emption was in no way offered as a cancellation of "Dateline's" investigative piece. Merely a scheduling change."

WOLFE: We can say, do you believe that? Or we can put that aside and say what we have here, very clearly, incontrovertibly is the appearance of impropriety. And I think that that's it. They either really did something stupid, I mean, we didn't mean it, but there it is. Or they meant it. And what they meant to say is that we're going to get better ratings for this so we're going to bump the news item. Forget it. We're going to give you Michael Jackson, a pass, theoretically on the news that we had scheduled to run.

ZAHN: You think the scheduling excuse is a bunch of bunk.

WOLFE: Bunk, exactly.

ZAHN: And that is what? To kill a tough piece?

WOLFE: They were in a deal here. It was a business consideration. Forget the news, forget the news side of what we in the network business do. This is business, we want a Michael Jackson interview over more than we want this news segment that we have done.

ZAHN: And explain to us why this is any different than what happened with CBS when Ed Bradley just recently landed the interview with Michael Jackson which was tied into an entertainment deal, right, with a special that aired on CBS Entertainment. Are they analogous?

WOLFE: It's absolutely the same thing. Everybody wanted the highest rating numbers they could get out of Michael Jackson. And other considerations, news considerations be damned.

ZAHN: So we're not supposed to pay for interviews but essentially what you're saying that is what is happening in all the fancy deals that are cut for Jessica Lynch and trying to get Michael Jackson on the air? Creative ways of getting interviews...

WOLFE: I think there are probably several other things you can say, Jessica Lynch is bad because of those reasons. Michael Jackson is bad because of -- because they are just focused on getting Michael Jackson there, getting the most ratings they can. Everything else, every other news consideration be damned.

ZAHN: Michael Wolfe, thanks for joining us tonight. We'll be right back.

(...)

BRON: CNN.COM

Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 26 januari 2004 @ 11:55
Er komt een officiële support-song voor Michael Jackson. Hier zullen verscheidene artiesten aan mee werken.

LIVING YOUR DREAM: Official Update
24/01/2004
PRESS RELEASE:

The Living Your Dream Project Team are proud to announce the following artists who will be actively involved with the official support song for Michael Jackson.

Just to name a few artists in which have confirmed their contribution of support are:

Brandy, Chaka Khan, M.C Hammer, Lori Ali, Vanilla Ice, Karl Malone, Nicole Ritchie, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Mario Van Peebles, Beyonc'e, Warren G, 50 Cents, and Wron G ( Dr.Dre's, and Warren G`s uncle)

Living Your Dream Production will provide a live press conference to be held in Beverly-Hills California around mid Feb 2004. We will be announcing complete details regarding release, video premiere and will include the complete list of artists who will be participating.

Dus 'good old' Vanilla Ice werkt ook mee!

PimDmaandag 26 januari 2004 @ 12:49
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Op maandag 26 januari 2004 11:55 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Brandy, Chaka Khan, M.C Hammer, Lori Ali, Vanilla Ice, Karl Malone, Nicole Ritchie, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Mario Van Peebles, Beyonc'e, Warren G, 50 Cents, and Wron G ( Dr.Dre's, and Warren G`s uncle)
Echt mensen met talent dus
Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 12:13
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Op zondag 25 januari 2004 17:17 schreef schatje het volgende:
Heerlijk artikel uit de Sun :
Waar wederom weer eens niets van waar blijkt te zijn:

On a different front, a British tabloid says that Jackson's ex-wife, Debbie Rowe, has filed legal papers to seek legal custody of Jackson's children. According to the tabloid, Michael Jackson is not the biological father of two of his three kids and Rowe was artificially inseminated with anonymously donated sperm.

In response, Rowe told NBC4 Monday that these claims are "a malicious, pathetic pack of lies." In previous interviews, Jackson has claimed that he's the one who fathered two of his three children.

bron: http://www.nbc4.tv/mondayarchive/2795055/detail.html

Goh, zal dit nieuws ook zo snel rond gaan?

Copycatdinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 12:24
En de National Enquirer doet er weer een smeuïg schepje bovenop. Gelieve in te nemen met een flinke korrel zou, lijkt me.
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SECRET ROOM SENDS JACKO INTO A PANIC

Oh, BOY . . . things are NOT going well for Michael Jackson! The beleaguered star accidentally locked himself in a panic room -- and panicked!
Jacko, who's vowed he'll never return to his "violated" Neverland ranch, is leasing a huge 16-bath BevHills mansion and was alone when he discovered it had a panic room -- a secure room where the rich and famous can take refuge if an intruder invades.

Michael went inside, started fooling around with some controls -- and the door suddenly slammed shut!

He tried button after button but it wouldn't open. Michael FREAKED and started screaming for his staff -- getting more and more desperate with each claustrophobic second.

Finally he found a compartment with a phone inside and dialed his head security man, in near-hysteria as he explained his predicament.

But when the guy arrived on the scene, he realized he couldn't open the door without a code! So Michael was trapped inside for another 45 minutes until he was released by a staffer from the security company -- shaking, soaked with perspiration and scared half to death!!


Ripleydinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 12:30
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Op zondag 25 januari 2004 22:27 schreef Iwan1976 het volgende:

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Als, als, als... laten we ons bij de feiten houden. Je bent niet de eerste die met open ogen is gevallen in de valkuil die propaganda heet. Kijk de geschiedenis er nog maar eens op na... nog geen 60 jaar geleden, wat zeg ik... nog geen jaar geleden was er ook iemand die de media bespeelde met z'n leugens...


Maar goed, je gaat toch niet vertellen dat die beelden van die bingelende baby en die kids met die maskers en dekens over hun kop gemanipuleerd zijn?
PimDdinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 13:11
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 12:24 schreef Copycat het volgende:
En de National Enquirer doet er weer een smeuïg schepje bovenop. Gelieve in te nemen met een flinke korrel zou, lijkt me.
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Ik zie de nieuws waarde hiervan niet echt Ik denk dat iedereen wel in paniek zou raken als ie zichzelf per ongeluk insluit en er niet meer uitkan...
Copycatdinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 13:18
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 13:11 schreef PimD het volgende:

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Ik zie de nieuws waarde hiervan niet echt Ik denk dat iedereen wel in paniek zou raken als ie zichzelf per ongeluk insluit en er niet meer uitkan...


Nieuwswaarde... Schnieuwswaarde... .

Een beetje verstrooiing op zijn tijd lijkt mij in het showbizz deel niet ongepast...

Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 13:31
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 12:30 schreef Ripley het volgende:

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Maar goed, je gaat toch niet vertellen dat die beelden van die bingelende baby en die kids met die maskers en dekens over hun kop gemanipuleerd zijn?


Zijn dat gronden waarop jij iemand veroordeelt voor seksueel misbruik van kinderen?
JohnDopedinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 13:33
Ik denk persoonlijk dat de kans groter is dat MJ onschuldig is, dan dat hij schuldig is
En als dat zo mocht zijn, dan vind ik ook dat er een paar mensen van de roddelpers kapot gemaakt mogen worden.

Ik snap het niet daar als je regelmatig door de roddelbladen achterna wordt gezeten, dan zoek je toch je lotgenoten op, en dan maak je een potje waar je een paar miljoen dollar in stopt. En daarmee huur je de beste prive-detectives van het land en de beste apparatuur en die laat je de grootste rotte appels van de roddelpers 24 uur per dag achter na zitten en geheid dat die roddelmensen dingen doen die het daglicht niet kunnen verdragen. (misschien duurt het een jaar, maar op een dag gaan ze over de schreef, gewoon geduld hebben)
En dan wacht je tot je heel veel schokkend materiaal hebt over die roddelpers en dan breng je dat 1 voor 1 uit op een website (als je dit nog goed aanpakt kan je dan nog winst maken op je website ook en de kosten terug verdienen die je hebt uitgegeven aan die prive-detectives en apparatuur).
Als de roddelpers denkt dat je het schokkenste alweer gepubliceerd hebt, dan gooi je er nog wat rotters op je website over die roddelpers.
Je moet die gasten gewoon met hun eigen middelen bestrijden en als je maar genoeg geld hebt, dan maak je ze helemaal gek (en terecht)

Verder sporen die ouders van die kinderen ook niet, want welke ouder brengt ze kind nou naar een volwassen mafkees ookal heeft hij geen slechte bedoelingen, die ouders moeten dus door de rechter op een ouder-cursus gegooid worden, want het komt mij een beetje op me over dat die ouders niet van hun kinderen houden.

Copycatdinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 13:37
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 13:33 schreef JohnDope het volgende:


En dan wacht je tot je heel veel schokkend materiaal hebt over die roddelpers en dan breng je dat 1 voor 1 uit op een website.
Als de roddelpers denkt dat je het schokkenste alweer gepubliceerd hebt, dan gooi je er nog wat rotters op je website over die roddelpers.
Je moet die gasten gewoon met hun eigen middelen bestrijden en als je maar genoeg geld hebt, dan maak je ze helemaal gek (en terecht)


Deze wraaktheorie loopt denk ik mank op het punt dat de roddelpers ansich niet uit mensen bestaat waar de roddelbladenlezers graag wat over willen lezen.
Zijn ze niet bekend/interessant genoeg voor.
Ripleydinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 13:46
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 13:31 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

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Zijn dat gronden waarop jij iemand veroordeelt voor seksueel misbruik van kinderen?


Nee. Maar het kunnen wel gronden zijn om te oordelen of iemand een geschikte ouder is. Dergelijk excentriek gedrag kan zijn kinderen behoorlijk schaden, ongeachte de uitkomst van de andere zaak.
JohnDopedinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 13:46
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 13:37 schreef Copycat het volgende:

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Deze wraaktheorie loopt denk ik mank op het punt dat de roddelpers ansich niet uit mensen bestaat waar de roddelbladenlezers graag wat over willen lezen.
Zijn ze niet bekend/interessant genoeg voor.


geloof mij nou als je lang genoeg bij mensen gaat spitten en zeker als je de beste mensen op hun hebt gezet, dan valt er altijd wel wat te vinden en of het grote publiek dat interessant vindt, weet ik niet, maar misschien vindt ze vrouw/man of kinderen het wel interessant, of misschien belazert hij wel ze baas en kan je hem laten ontslaan en misschien zijn er wel andere dingen, dan kom je er achter dat zo`n roddelpers mannetje een pedo is, misschien vind je de eerste 2 jaar niks, maar in eens heb je iets gruwelijks gevonden waar je diegene helemaal kapot mee kan maken.
Als je je echt goed genaaid voelt door de roddelpers en een beetje temperament hebt, dan kan je ze echt wel terug pakken.
Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 14:02
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 13:46 schreef Ripley het volgende:

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Nee. Maar het kunnen wel gronden zijn om te oordelen of iemand een geschikte ouder is. Dergelijk excentriek gedrag kan zijn kinderen behoorlijk schaden, ongeachte de uitkomst van de andere zaak.


Het balkon-incident was een grote fout die hij ook toegegeven heeft. Dat wil nog niet zeggen dat hij geen geschikte ouder is. Er is in het geval van MJ gewoon geen vergelijkingsmateriaal om zijn gedrag te beoordelen. Het is niet eerlijk om hem te beoordelen aan onze levensstandaard want zo'n leven heeft MJ nooit gehad.

Het dragen van maskers enzo gebeurt alleen in nabijheid van perscamera's aangezien Debbie Rowe (de moeder van de kinderen) dat aan Michael heeft gevraagd. Een bescherming dus totdat ze oud genoeg zijn.

Je hoeft het er niet mee eens te zijn, maar jij zit dan ook niet midden in die situatie. De angst dat die kinderen iets wordt aangedaan door derden is toch echt niet zo heel erg vergezocht, lijkt me. Of dit zal helpen is de vraag, maar het is hun eigen keuze om toch iets te doen. Ik zie het probleem niet.

Ripleydinsdag 27 januari 2004 @ 14:10
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Op dinsdag 27 januari 2004 14:02 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

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Het balkon-incident was een grote fout die hij ook toegegeven heeft. Dat wil nog niet zeggen dat hij geen geschikte ouder is. Er is in het geval van MJ gewoon geen vergelijkingsmateriaal om zijn gedrag te beoordelen. Het is niet eerlijk om hem te beoordelen aan onze levensstandaard want zo'n leven heeft MJ nooit gehad.

Het dragen van maskers enzo gebeurt alleen in nabijheid van perscamera's aangezien Debbie Rowe (de moeder van de kinderen) dat aan Michael heeft gevraagd. Een bescherming dus totdat ze oud genoeg zijn.

Je hoeft het er niet mee eens te zijn, maar jij zit dan ook niet midden in die situatie. De angst dat die kinderen iets wordt aangedaan door derden is toch echt niet zo heel erg vergezocht, lijkt me. Of dit zal helpen is de vraag, maar het is hun eigen keuze om toch iets te doen. Ik zie het probleem niet.


Ik dnek ook helemaal niet dat die kinderen iets uit narigheid aangedaan wordt. Maar de vraag of MJ een goede ouder kan zijn lijkt me een terechte, ook omdat hier al vaak aangegeven wordt dat hij zelf eigenlijk nog een kind is en irreeel gedrag vertoont door zijn jeugd. Het geen inderdaad rot voor hem is en zeker niet zijn eigen schuld, maar het is de vraag of iemand die nog een kind is de verantwoordleijkheid van het opvoeden van een ander kind aan kan. Zeker als de moeder al lang geleden uit het zicht is verdwenen.

Iemand als Madonna is even beroemd als MJ, maar heeft wel een gewoon gezin en een redelijk gezonde manier gevonden om haar kinderen groot te brengen.

Let wel, ik zeg niet dat MJ uit narigheid die kinderen iets aan zal doen. Maar wel dat ie zelf waarschijnlijk door zijn verleden zo verknipt is, dat het geen kwaad kan om eens goed te kijken of hij wel de juiste persoon is om kinderen op te voeden. Dat zou bij iemand die minder rijk en beroemd is ook gebeuren bij dit soort gedrag.

staticwoensdag 28 januari 2004 @ 00:12
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Ex-vrouw wil kinderen Jackson terug.

Michael Jackson is niet de biologische vader van zijn eerste twee kinderen. In het dossier van de rechtszaak tegen het popidool staat dat de ex-echtgenote van de king of pop Debbie Rowe zich kunstmatig heeft laten insemineren door een anonieme spermadonor voordat ze het leven schonk aan zoon Prince Michael jr. en dochter Paris. Het verklaart de lichte huidteint van het kroost, die door Wacko Jacko wel zo chic werd bevonden.

De 41-jarige Rowe deed de schokkende onthulling in de verhoren die aan de misbruik-rechtszaak voorafgingen: Ik heb geen enkele informatie over de identiteit van de spermadonor van beide kinderen, omdat het zaad anoniem is verkregen van een spermabank met een vertrouwelijke overeenkomst.

De bekentenis van zijn ex-echtgenote Rowe veegt Jacksons lang bevochten bewering dat de kinderen zijn natuurlijke nakomelingen zijn van tafel.

Debbie Rowe heeft bovendien verklaard dat zij de volledige voogdij wil krijgen over de twee kinderen en Michael volledig buitenspel zal zetten. Zij heeft jurisch het recht de kinderen op te eisen als zij vindt dat hun welzijn in gevaar is. Rowe zegt ontevreden te zijn met de opvoeding van haar kinderen. Zo vindt ze het belachelijk dat ze in het openbaar maskers moeten dragen, niet met leeftijdsgenootjes mogen spelen en niet naar school gaan, omat ze thuis les krijgen.

Het popidool trouwde in november 1996 met de joodse Debbie, de assistente van zijn dermatoloog. In februari 1997 werd hun zoon Prince Michael jr. geboren, die vernoemd is naar Michaels opa, terwijl ruim een jaar later in april 1998 hun dochter Paris Michael Katherine werd geboren. Hun huwelijk werd een jaar later alweer ontbonden. Wie de moeder van het derde kind van Michael Jackson Prince Michael II is onduidelijk, maar er wordt gesproken dat hij is verwerkt bij een draagmoeder.

De 45-jarige popster, die terechtstaat voor seksueel misbruik van een 12-jarige jongen, heeft de zinspelingen dat hij niet de biologische vader van de kinderen zou zijn in een interview betwist. Officiële papieren tonen echter aan dat hij en Rowe in januari 1996 een draagmoederschapovereenkomst zijn aangegaan waarvoor zij naast een geldbedrag van 6 miljoen Engelse pond ook een villa in Beverly Hills ter waarde van 1,6 miljoen Engelse pond, een auto, kleding en juwelen kreeg. Hun huwelijk dat negen maanden later plaatsvond, was een schijnvertoning met als enige doel zijn vaderlijke rechten veilig te stellen.

Bij hun scheiding heeft Rowe een enorm geldbedrag gekregen om helemaal afstand te doen van haar kinderen. In die overeenkomst staat ook de genoemde welzijn-bepaling, waarmee ze haar kinderen weer kan opeisen.

Rowe is momenteel bang dat zijn vermogende en invloedrijke vrienden Michael Jackson zullen helpen de kinderen naar het buitenland te vliegen.


Het wordt nu wel heel triest allemaal.
Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 28 januari 2004 @ 15:01
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Op woensdag 28 januari 2004 00:12 schreef static het volgende:

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Het wordt nu wel heel triest allemaal.


Helemaal als je kijkt dat dit bericht allang is gepost en ook reeds weer is weerlegt door Debbie Rowe.
Ripleywoensdag 28 januari 2004 @ 15:32
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Op woensdag 28 januari 2004 15:01 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

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Helemaal als je kijkt dat dit bericht allang is gepost en ook reeds weer is weerlegt door Debbie Rowe.


Dit stond vandaag pas op de telegraaf website volgens mij?
Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 28 januari 2004 @ 17:44
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Op woensdag 28 januari 2004 15:32 schreef Ripley het volgende:

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Dit stond vandaag pas op de telegraaf website volgens mij?


Maar de Telegraaf website is niet de enige nieuwsbron... en zeker niet de betrouwbaarste.

Kijk maar bovenaan deze pagina, naar de post van schatje.

Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 29 januari 2004 @ 13:03
In een meer dan belachelijke uitspraak heeft een rechter de zanger R. Kelly verboden om contact te zoeken met Michael Jackson. De zaak van Kelly heeft echt totaal NIETS met MJ te maken en er heeft ook niemand om zo'n uitspraak verzocht. Verwacht wordt dat de rechter dit heeft gedaan om een beetje media-aandacht te krijgen.

Asinine Order from Judge in Kelly Case

In what has already been described as a highly inappropriate and ridiculous ruling, the judge in the R. Kelly child porn case, Vincent Gaughan, says Kelly can travel to the Grammys in February, but he cant associate with Michael Jackson. The asinine statement, joking or not, comes totally out of the blue because the prosecution in the Kelly case never requested such a condition be placed on Kelly. Further, it is not clear if Jackson would even be at the Grammys this year or why the judge would even bring up the subject of Jackson.

Craig Mitnik appeared on MSNBCs the Abrams Report tonight (Jan 28) to discuss this ruling. Abrams, the host, called the ruling crazy, and Mitnick was appalled at the judges comments. He says:

I think its a bizarre order and it even goes past bizarre. I think its really inappropriate. If I was Mark Geragos or if I was Ben Brafman, the attorneys representing Michael Jackson, this would really tick me off. Its almost saying dont go near Michael Jackson because hes been charged. But he [the judge] has no right to do that. And its creating an impression in the court of public opinionwhich is so important right nowwhich is wrong.

Cosma-Shivazaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 02:36
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Fox News: 7 additional search warrants just issued to phone companies........1/30
Eea mbt het onderzoek inzake de aanklacht van Janet Arvizo dat MJ haar/haar zoon dag en nacht telefonisch lastig viel.
milagrozaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 02:38
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 02:36 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

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Eea mbt het onderzoek inzake de aanklacht van Janet Arvizo dat MJ haar/haar zoon dag en nacht telefonisch lastig viel.


Dat is makkelijk na te trekken, lijkt me, dus zou die moeder dan zo dom zijn om dat te verzinnen?
Cosma-Shivazaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 02:41
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 02:38 schreef milagro het volgende:

Dat is makkelijk na te trekken, lijkt me, dus zou die moeder dan zo dom zijn om dat te verzinnen?


Dat weet ze wel neem ik aan (en anders haar adviseurs)

Nog een aanvulling op mijn vorige post:

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It seems like they were re-occuring (call, hang up, call back, hang up, etc, etc..). And at all hours of the night. That would lay the ground for the harassment claim.
milagrozaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 02:43
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 02:41 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

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Dat weet ze wel neem ik aan (en anders haar adviseurs)

Nog een aanvulling op mijn vorige post:
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tja..dan hangt-ie
Cosma-Shivazaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 03:02
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 02:43 schreef milagro het volgende:

tja..dan hangt-ie


Misschien, volgens Janet Arvizo heeft MJ haar:
1- telefonisch lastiggevallen
2- gegijzeld op Neverland
3- al haar meubelen/eigendommen gestolen (io van etc.)
4- bedreigd (io van etc.)

In de zaak van haar zoon hebben ze die telefoonoverzichten niet nodig lijkt me, misschien heeft zij ook aangifte gedaan?

milagrozaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 03:10
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 03:02 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

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Misschien, volgens Janet Arvizo heeft MJ haar:
1- telefonisch lastiggevallen
2- gegijzeld op Neverland
3- al haar meubelen/eigendommen gestolen (io van etc.)
4- bedreigd (io van etc.)

In de zaak van haar zoon hebben ze die telefoonoverzichten niet nodig lijkt me, misschien heeft zij ook aangifte gedaan?


hoezo niet nodig bij de zaak van haar zoon?

en waarom zou MJ al haar spullen stelen
en die gijzeling? wanneer heeft dat plaats gevonden en heeft ze direct daarna aangifte gedaan ( voor misbruik zoon).

Cosma-Shivazaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 03:18
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 03:10 schreef milagro het volgende:

hoezo niet nodig bij de zaak van haar zoon?


De band tussen MJ en G. behoeft niet meer te worden aangetoont, daarnaast zegt de moeder dat MJ haar telefonisch lastig viel.
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en waarom zou MJ al haar spullen stelen
Terwijl hij hen gijzelde op Neverland zou hij zijn medewerkers de opdracht hebben gegeven hun huis leeg te halen en de spullen zijn op een onbekende locatie opgeslagen (om die reden zou zij de 1e keer naar de politie zijn gestapt, omdat ze haar spullen terug wilde).
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en die gijzeling? wanneer heeft dat plaats gevonden en heeft ze direct daarna aangifte gedaan ( voor misbruik zoon).
Ik kan zo gauw alleen een 'bron' met vele !!!'s vinden:
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Victim Held Hostage at Neverland

Michael Jackson held his alleged molestation victim and his family hostage at his Neverland ranch! A 50-plus-page affidavit - to be unsealed at Jacksons January 9 arraignment - claims that the cancer-stricken boy and his worried mother "werent allowed to leave Neverland."

And the "hostage" situation culminated in the moms dramatic late-night plea to a sympathetic Jackson employee "We need to get out of here" - followed by an escape.

The mother has insisted to officials that she and her children were held hostage for several days at Neverland sometime after the February airing of the Martin Bashir documentary, in which Jackson and the victim spoke about sharing the singers bedroom, according to a source close to the case.

"The family maintains they were held against their will."

"It was an odd situation to begin with - the mother staying at another house on the property and the victim and his brother sleeping in Michaels bedroom.

"When the mother grew suspicious of Michaels clandestine activities with her older son, tensions came to a flashpoint.

"The affidavit states that the mother was especially distressed when she was told Michael had been serving wine in a soda can to her gravely ill son!"

In the affidavit, the boy says Michael called the drink "Jesus Juice," said the close source.

"The mother claims in the affidavit the family wasnt allowed to leave the property without an escort and they were followed closely by Neverland employees throughout the day while on the property. Its apparent that she believed it was a hostage situation, and it got to the point where it reached a crisis level."

An insider disclosed: "After the mother was told by her some that Michael had been giving him wine to drink, she blew her stack. She had angry words with Michael.

"Ultimately, she decided the family needed to leave."

"But the mother told investigators that Michael wouldnt let her leave. He told her and the children: You cannot leave here.. He may have been afraid they might say damaging things about him.

"According to the mother, they were prisoners on Jacksons vast estate! Doors were locked, and security was warned not to let them go."

"Finally, after 11 0clock one night, the panicked mother approached the Neverland house manager and said, We need to get out of here, " the close source revealed.

"The house manager agreed to help the mother and her children get off the 2,700 acre ranch.

"The manager said he needed to speak to someone in the security detail first. He returned a few minutes later and instructed the mother to get her children and their belongings together quickly.

"As soon as this was done, the manager loaded the family into a vehicle and drove them 100 miles to their home in Los Angeles himself."

"From the mother claims in the affidavit, you got the impression it was similar to a prison break.

"Since the incident, the house manager who helped the family flee the ranch has parted ways with Michael Jackson and Neverland."

"He has also been interviewed by investigators and is cooperating with them.

"If they can amass enough evidence it is possible police officials could charge Jackson and other members of his organization with illegal detention."

Another insider associated with the investigation told The Enquirer:

"As part of the child molestation case against Jackson, the Santa Barbara district attorney will show that he waged an elaborate campaign behind the scenes against the alleged victim and his family."

"They believe evidence will show that Jackson knows he was guilty and too actions showing that guilt."

"They believe he literally kept the family hostage at Neverland. This will come back to haunt him at a trial."

The insider added: "Its really sad. The boy and his family went in with love and came out with fury."

"It wasnt until about 3 ½ months ago that the boy was interviewed by the police and told them his whole story."


milagrozaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 03:26
Mijn hemel, als die 'house manager' de waarheid spreekt..(waarom zou hij liegen ) dan ziet het er niet best uit voor MJ.
Cosma-Shivazaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 03:29
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 03:26 schreef milagro het volgende:
Mijn hemel, als die 'house manager' de waarheid spreekt..(waarom zou hij liegen ) dan ziet het er niet best uit voor MJ.
Kom anders even hier lezen: http://boards.courttv.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=62
milagrozaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 03:44
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 03:29 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

[..]

Kom anders even hier lezen: http://boards.courttv.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=62


die ene MJ fan (MJ=innocent)
zelfs al zou hij schuldig zijn, het zou haar liefde voor MJ niet veranderen..
hate the sin, love the sinner..

en de quote van die Firpo Carr over de lading vh woord 'share'

.. "sharing a bed is like sharing a comb, you're not using it at the same time"

Cosma-Shivazaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 04:07
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Some Damaging Details in Jackson Case

January 30, 2004 - 08:14 ET

BILL HEMMER, CNN ANCHOR: Michael Jackson has been charged with seven counts of child molestation and according to a new report in "Vanity Fair," a long and detailed article, there are some damaging details to support those charges.
"Vanity Fair's" special correspondent Maureen Orth has followed Jackson's legal problems all the way back to 1993.

She's written extensively on the topic.

She's our guest here now on AMERICAN MORNING.

Nice to see you again.

Welcome back here.

MAUREEN ORTH, SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT, "VANITY FAIR": Thank you.

Thank you.

HEMMER: One of the things you make quite clear in your piece is going back to 1993 you allege that there are similarities between the case that was settled out of court and the case that right now is gathering steam in Santa Barbara.

Those similarities are what, did you find?

ORTH: Well, just start with the physical types of both boys. They're both the same age, 13. They look a lot alike. When their parents came to the ranch or their families came to Neverland, the mothers were always put aside. It was only the boys that were allowed in the bedroom, not the sisters, with Michael Jackson.

He basically tries to sort of insert himself in weak families between the mother and the father. He, in both cases, tried to put his own attorneys in custody battles between the parents. It just -- and then the worst part, really, is that it's alleged in this case, and it was before, as well, is that he sort of keeps the underwear of boys in that...

HEMMER: So this is the allegation -- these are the details that you allege that you have found out recently. It may be one thing to repeat similar patterns, but it's another thing to make that jump to child molestation.

Is there anything that supports that right now, based on the reporting you've come up with at this point? ORTH: Well, basically, if you -- the last case had more than one boy and there were other people who were paid off. There's a massive, huge attack machine that goes into effect when these allegations...

HEMMER: What do you mean?

ORTH: Well, for example, last time there were members of the South Central L.A. gangs that were brought up to Neverland armed. This time there's the Nation of Islam. These are sort of tactics of intimidation so that other people don't come forward or that Neverland employees don't speak.

HEMMER: Because that, it comes, I come back to my same question, though. Where is this taking us in terms of child molestation...

ORTH: I think what you...

HEMMER: ... and proving this?

ORTH: Well, that is for the court to do. But there are over 400 witnesses from last time. There are people that -- in my article, I talk about people who have been paid off. I talk about a lot of the attack -- you know, it's witnesses who have been interviewed, it's people who, one of the prosecutors told me that they had found special friends for him going back 10 years before 1993. I mean I'm not here to be the prosecutor. I'm here to be a reporter on his life and how he surrounds himself with children.

HEMMER: One of your sources, Myung Ho Lee, was a former business partner, a former business advisor...

ORTH: He was his top business advisor and his sister was the legal officer of his corporation.

HEMMER: No longer works with Michael Jackson, right?

ORTH: No.

HEMMER: Was there bad blood between these two?

ORTH: They had a, there was a civil suit between them in Myung Ho Lee got a bunch of, really, I guess, he collected several million dollars. However, he has all the financial records. I mean he just isn't making allegations. He has paper to back it up. You know, "Vanity Fair" does not go into print on spurious allegations. We have a very thorough fact checking process.

HEMMER: What do you say to those who contend that there is such a massive security detail at the Neverland Ranch that Michael Jackson cannot have private time with young boys or girls or...

ORTH: Oh, that is absurd.

HEMMER: Absolutely absurd?

ORTH: Yes, because his entire bedroom is so completely alarmed that there is tremendous security all over Neverland. But...

HEMMER: What do you mean alarmed?

ORTH: Within -- if you enter the door to the hallway that goes to the bedroom, a huge alarm sounds to Michael Jackson in his room. It is so loud that it can be heard when the shower is running. So there are electric eyes all over the residence of Neverland. Everything is surveilled in every part and he knows anybody who's approaching within 10 feet. And nobody else gets to go in there except one maid to clean up.

HEMMER: I have read your article. It's very long. It's very detailed.

What have you found out about this case that details directly Michael Jackson and possibly links for the current accuser?

ORTH: I don't understand the question.

HEMMER: Well, there is an allegation in your piece that leads to alcohol...

ORTH: Oh, yes.

HEMMER: ... and wine that was given to...

ORTH: Well, one of the allegations of a boy is that he was given wine, also shown pornography on the Internet and in magazines. And on, two of the counts are about providing an intoxicating agent. And I have eyewitnesses saying that Michael Jackson regularly pours white wine into soda cans. That's Jesus juice. Red wine is called Jesus' blood. And these boys were given this wine. And I also have an incident in 1998 when one of his Japanese partners and -- they had announced a big business deal. And he had taken that boy's, that man's 13-year-old son to an amusement park and allegedly he was also given Jesus juice and it blew the whole deal.

HEMMER: The defense attorneys are saying that people are just after money from Michael Jackson. In the short time we have left...

ORTH: This case...

HEMMER: This case what?

ORTH: This case is not about money because this boy is a cancer victim of stage four who is in danger of death. There's no way you should go through the criminal justice system if what you're after is money.

HEMMER: My question is does anyone know how much money Michael Jackson has at this point?

ORTH: He doesn't have -- he certainly hasn't got very much in terms of cash flow. He has very valuable assets. But he's been, he's in debt over $200 million.

HEMMER: Maureen Orth.

The article is in "Vanity Fair."

Thanks for sharing with us today.

ORTH: Thank you.

HEMMER: Soledad.

SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN ANCHOR: The article clearly damaging to Michael Jackson in the court of public opinion.

But what about legally?

Senior CNN legal analyst Jeff Toobin joins us this morning.

You've read the article.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I sure have.

O'BRIEN: It's incredibly well reported and detailed. But legally, are there any bombshells in there that you think the prosecutors could run with?

TOOBIN: Absolutely. There are, if they can duplicate Maureen's reporting. I mean it is, obviously, a different standard. It's a different kind of research. Just, for example, the similarities between the '93 incident and the current incident, just one detail that jumped out at me is that the accusers say Michael Jackson had the same nickname in both of them, Rubba, R-U-B-B-A. That is the kind of thing that prosecutors could use to show a pattern.

Also, a very important difference now than in '93 is that the laws have changed. In those days, you couldn't use prior uncharged conduct to prove the current conduct in the case. Now, because of changes in the law because of all the priest scandals, the prosecutors can use the '93 incident to prove the 2003 incident. A very important difference.

O'BRIEN: In the article, and we just heard Maureen and Bill talking about it, as well, Jesus juice versus Jesus' blood, meaning white wine versus red wine, and she says there's another completely unrelated incident, apparently, of another man whose son had a similar experience.

Could that have an impact on this case?

TOOBIN: It could. That is such an unusual kind of behavior, you know, pouring wine into soda cans, calling it Jesus juice, calling it Jesus' blood. If prosecutors can show that's a pattern, they could introduce several witnesses to make the current charge that much more believable. Again, if it stands up in court and if they have witnesses to say it, totally devastating evidence.

O'BRIEN: A lot of the information, and some of the most devastating, I think, comes from, as Maureen just said, a former legal advisor and her sister -- his sister, who worked with Michael Jackson.

Your expectations they will be on the stand?

TOOBIN: Not clear. Some of the financial stuff, while it's certainly interesting, is probably not that directly relevant to this charge. Some of the other stuff in the article not -- like his, perhaps, prior drug or alcohol problems, probably not relevant to these charges. But nothing in that article is good for Michael Jackson. And, you know, what's interesting is we've heard a lot from Jackson advisors and Jackson lawyers. It's interesting to hear from another perspective.

O'BRIEN: Jeff Toobin, as always, thanks.

TOOBIN: OK.

O'BRIEN: Appreciate it.


bron: CNN

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Cosma-Shiva op 31-01-2004 04:41]

matthijstzaterdag 31 januari 2004 @ 18:41
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accusers say Michael Jackson had the same nickname in both of them, Rubba, R-U-B-B-A.
Hmmm, Michael noemde zijn manager ook Rubba. Zou hij die ook misbruikt hebben? De rest is hear-say. Geloof ik weinig van. Ik wil harde bewijzen van mensen die bewijsbaar op die ranch aanwezig zijn geweest. Ik zie nou nooit iemand beweren: "OK, ik heb jaren voor Jackson gewerkt, kijk, hier zijn de foto's van Michael en ik bij het zwembad en hier geven we de lama's eten"...
Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 1 februari 2004 @ 00:16
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 03:10 schreef milagro het volgende:
en waarom zou MJ al haar spullen stelen
en die gijzeling? wanneer heeft dat plaats gevonden en heeft ze direct daarna aangifte gedaan ( voor misbruik zoon).
Nee, gek hè. Al die beschuldigingen, drank, misbruik, kidnap, en nooit is de politie gebeld... (wel een advocaat ingeschakeld )

Trouwens dat artikel dat Cosmo Shiva laat zien is van de pen van ene mevrouw Orth, dezelfde die ook een artikel schreef over MJ's gebruik van voodoo om Steven Spielberg en anderen om zeep te brengen...

Het valt wel op dat de media nu weer allerlei beschuldigende verhalen uitkraamt sinds beide kampen niet meer publiekelijk mogen reageren. Daarom heeft Jackson's familie er maar op gereageerd:

Jacksons slam "Jesus juice" claims
Jan 31, 2004

Pop star Michael Jackson's family was "outraged" by what it dismissed as false claims that he plied a boy he is accused of having molested with "Jesus juice": wine in soft drink cans.

The family spoke out after Vanity Fair magazine made a startling new wave of allegations against the star. His legal team is unable to refute damaging press reports because of a strict gag order imposed by a judge.

Jackson family spokesman Firpo Carr told journalists outside the Jackson clan's home in Los Angeles that the allegations in the magazine's March issue were "outrageous, inaccurate and baseless".

Volledig artikel hier: http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_detail/0,1227,252275-1-9,00.html

Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 1 februari 2004 @ 00:24
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Op zaterdag 31 januari 2004 03:29 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Kom anders even hier lezen: http://boards.courttv.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=62
Ik post daar nu al een poosje en ik dacht in eerste instantie te maken te hebben met mensen die in waren voor een goede discussie, maar de meerderheid daar is maar al te graag aan het Jackson-bashen. Getuigen die vóór Jackson spreken zijn allemaal onbetrouwbaar en de negatieve verhalen worden voor koek geslikt 'want dat zullen ze toch niet zomaar verzinnen'.

Een eenzijdige visie die ook al jarenlang door de media wordt ondersteund:

Michael Media Spin Out of Control

[..] As a journalist I am deeply disturbed by the unethical, biased, opinionated and deliberately distorted reporting on the Michael Jackson case. I am dismayed by the extremely sensational and negative tone of the media coverage. Greed-driven journalists, in their zeal to stay on top of this 'hot' story, have shown an inexcusable disregard for neutrality, integrity and professionalism. The line between legitimate journalism and purveyors of news and tabloid-style yellow journalism has been blurred. The principles of accurate, fair and balanced reporting have been thrown out the window. The more torrid the story, the higher the ratings, the greater the profits. At the end of the day it's all about money -- no pun intended.

Is it no wonder that Geraldine Hughes' book, Redemption: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations, appears to have been sabotaged by anti-Jackson forces. Hughes, the sole legal secretary of Barry Rothman (who represented the alleged victim in 1993) comes forth to set the record straight about what really happened behind the scenes in the 1993 child molestation case against Jackson. In the book, which is set for release on Jan. 31, Hughes reveals facts that have never been made public, court documented information, public statements and records that she insists prove Jackson¹s innocence. The media has an opportunity here to balance the playing field but has chosen to virtually ignore Hughes' dissenting viewpoint. Instead, Vanity Fair writer Maureen Orth has appeared on almost every single broadcast and cable news channel depicting Jackson as a wine guzzling, pill-popping, drug-addicted pedophile who is not the biological parent to his two oldest children. Why? Because Orth's racy story contains a bizarre cast of characters and the type of jaw-dropping, gripping story that the media loves to tell. [..]

Volledige artikel hier: http://www.blacktalentnews.com/index.asp?page=music&ActionButton=View_detail&ArticleID=917

Cosma-Shivazondag 1 februari 2004 @ 02:58
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Op zondag 1 februari 2004 00:24 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

Ik post daar nu al een poosje en ik dacht in eerste instantie te maken te hebben met mensen die in waren voor een goede discussie, maar de meerderheid daar is maar al te graag aan het Jackson-bashen.


Mee eens, alles wordt aangegrepen om MJ neer te sabelen, maar soms ook wel eens interessante info.

Onder welke naam post je?

Mbt dat artikel, ik ken die vrouw niet die het geschreven heeft, maar dat verhaal van die kidnap gaat al heel lang, en ik vind geen andere bron als die hierboven (ookal wordt het ook op newssites gemeldt, maar ook niet meer dan dat).

Wat ik bedoelde te zeggen, van die telefoongesprekken, de moeder zegt te zijn lastiggevallen (etc.) dus ik vermoed dat zij misschien aangifte heeft gedaan (heeft ze ook gedaan van die kidnap), aangezien ik het nut van de telefoonlijsten niet zie mbt het vermeende misbruik van G.

Iwan1976zondag 1 februari 2004 @ 10:02
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Op zondag 1 februari 2004 02:58 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

Wat ik bedoelde te zeggen, van die telefoongesprekken, de moeder zegt te zijn lastiggevallen (etc.) dus ik vermoed dat zij misschien aangifte heeft gedaan (heeft ze ook gedaan van die kidnap), aangezien ik het nut van de telefoonlijsten niet zie mbt het vermeende misbruik van G.


Die telefoonlijsten zeggen net zo weinig als de media die er over berichten. Iedereen kan de familie Arvizo gebeld hebben vanaf Neverland. De moeder kan vanalles beweren over de inhoud van die gesprekken, want ze zijn (voor zover bekend) niet opgenomen.

Ik heb medelijden met die moeder, want ik vermoed dat ze depressief is en in de loop der tijd in haar eigen leugens is gaan geloven, gesterkt door de DA, haar advocaat en de media. Ze heeft toegegeven in het verleden al vaker last gehad te hebben van psychische problemen. Ik hoop dat zij en de kinderen opgevangen worden door een goede psychiater als MJ wordt vrijgesproken.

En het lijkt me ook verstandig dat MJ hulp zoekt. Hij vertoont namelijk ook alle tekenen van een depressie, iets wat m.i. samenhangt met zijn huidziekte. Ik kan me vergissen, maar ik heb zo'n gevoel dat hij erg eenzaam en ongelukkig is.

Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 1 februari 2004 @ 13:22
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Op zondag 1 februari 2004 02:58 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Wat ik bedoelde te zeggen, van die telefoongesprekken, de moeder zegt te zijn lastiggevallen (etc.) dus ik vermoed dat zij misschien aangifte heeft gedaan (heeft ze ook gedaan van die kidnap), aangezien ik het nut van de telefoonlijsten niet zie mbt het vermeende misbruik van G.
Ik heb het idee dat al die verhalen die nu in de media komen maar al te graag gebruikt worden om de aandacht af te leiden van de rare tijdslijn die de aanklagers hebben opgegeven. En daar ligt toch de feitelijke zaak.

Erg vreemd is trouwens dat de tijdslijn zoals die is gesteld in de aanklachten (7 febr tot 10 maart 2003) lijkt af te wijken van de tijdslijn in het huiszoekingsbevel (tussen juni en september 2002)

Bron: http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0312/18/acd.00.html

Gezien alle positieve verklaringen die de familie over Michael heeft gedaan zal die eerste tijdslijn wel niet haalbaar zijn geweest en dus maar verandert. Een sneaky trucje van Sneddon, zo lijkt het.

Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 2 februari 2004 @ 14:24
Dat hele Vanity Fair artikel waarin MJ zo slecht wordt afgeschilderd door kinderen wijn te geven lijkt al uit elkaar te vallen. Eén van de jongens die hij zogenaamd wijn had toegediend, een Japanner, is op de Japanse tv naar voren gekomen door te zeggen dat het helemaal niet waar is. Hij heeft de wijn zelf gedronken omdat de serveerster maar bleef inschenken. Jackson had dit niet door, en heeft later toen het jochie dronken werd hem juist geholpen. De jongen is nu 18.

Nog meer nieuws in een artikel op Foxnews waaruit blijkt dat de moeder van Gavin haar zoons heeft gevraagd om hem 'Daddy' te noemen. Eerder was in de pers naar voren gekomen dat MJ dit wilde.

Verder zijn nog een aantal huiszoekingen gedaan bij zakenpartners van MJ. Volgens insiders duidt dit erop dat de DA Tom Sneddon nog steeds op zoek is naar bewijs.

MJ Accuser's Mom: Just Call Him 'Daddy'
Monday, February 02, 2004
By Roger Friedman

The mother of the 12-year-old boy who has accused Michael Jackson of child molestation implored her kids to call the pop singer "daddy." The woman had told a British newspaper interviewer early last year that her son called Jackson "daddy," but made it seem like this was solicited by the singer. This was not the case, my sources insist.

"You can call him 'daddy' since you don't have one," she reportedly told her children.

The woman also encouraged them to become close to other father figures besides Jackson, close inside sources have told me -- people who know her and her kids well and have solid proof to back up their claims.

The accuser's mother is divorced from her husband, whom she accused of domestic violence.

That, at least, is not disputed by Jackson insiders, who also say that the woman did not have a previously reported drug problem. "She has other problems, not that," my sources said.

The woman, living on a small income, was introduced to Jackson through a hair stylist who had been contacted by comedy club owner Jamie Masada. Her son was quite ill with cancer at the time, as I first and exclusively reported back on Nov. 17, 2003. The boy asked to meet Adam Sandler, Chris Tucker or Jackson.

Jackson did not, according to my sources, give the boy's family money or do much more than invite him to visit Neverland -- as many ailing children have -- when he was feeling better.

My sources tell me now that the mother was so dead-set on bonding Jackson to her kids that she instructed them to call Jackson "daddy" as a way of ingratiating themselves with him.

Problems arose, the same sources say, after the child and his siblings were filmed without permission for Martin Bashir's British documentary about Jackson. The boy was shown holding hands with Jackson and discussed sleeping in his bed. As I was the first to report two-and-a-half months ago, the boy was subsequently taunted by schoolmates and at a gas station.

The special aired in the United States on Feb. 6, but the Santa Barbara District Attorney's charges against Jackson say that he did not commence any act of child molestation until Feb. 7 and that it ended on March 10, even though the boy and his family had stayed at Neverland earlier.

I reported in this column first that Jackson had been accused by the mother of giving her son wine and sleeping pills. The National Enquirer subsequently reported in December that Jackson disguised the wine in soda cans and called it "Jesus Juice." Vanity Fair, in its upcoming issue, liberally summarizes all this reporting without proper credit.

My sources tell me that Jackson was not the first man whom the mother tried to enlist as a surrogate father for her three kids, and that other names will soon surface. They suggest that Masada, who also runs a camp for ill children, may also have been an intended target whom she hoped to ensnare. Masada has steadfastly defended her in interviews.

The mother, who is said to be ingratiating and charming, in a coarse way is said not to have stopped there. Another man whom she encouraged her kids to call "daddy" after leaving Neverland, my sources say, was used by her to get her kids into a desired Los Angeles school. Jay Jackson, whom she met much the way she did Masada, at program for kids, let her clean his apartment in exchange for use of his address to get her children into a good junior high school.

Meanwhile, Jackson insiders were amused by the Santa Barbara sheriff's "raid" on Saturday of Marc Schaffel's house in Calabasas, Calif. Schaffel, a video producer with a background in pornography, has been working with Jackson on projects like "What More Can I Give?" for three years. Why detectives waited 10 weeks from the day of their Neverland search to investigate Schaffel's home for evidence is a real mystery. I'm told that if there was any evidence, the place was swept clean long ago.

"All they could have found were contracts for the Jackson specials on Fox," says a source. "They took the computer, but there was nothing on it." Homes of two Schaffel associates were also said to be searched Saturday with similar results.

Another source -- and I mean, these people are right in the middle of this thing, not just bystanders or outsiders -- told me with great confidence: "It means the D.A. has no case. He's gone from the top down, instead of the bottom up, looking for stuff. He obviously hasn't found anything."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110125,00.html

Cosma-Shivadinsdag 3 februari 2004 @ 01:48
O'Reilly in gesprek met Geraldine:
quote:
Joining us now from Los Angeles is Geraldine Hughes, who was Rothman's legal secretary during that case. She is the author of the upcoming book "Redemption: The Truth Behind the Michael Jackson Child Molestation Allegations."

All right, I want to walk through this, Ms. Hughes. I want to be very specific. All right, you contend that the boy's father, Dr. Evan Chandler, was behind this whole thing and that Jackson did not molest the boy. Is that correct?

GERALDINE HUGHES, "REDEMPTION" AUTHOR: That is absolutely correct.

O'REILLY: And you base that on what?

HUGHES: Well, basically, I was on the inside. So I was able to witness behaviors. I was able to witness what was going on the inside. I knew from the very onset of the allegation that Michael Jackson was absolutely innocent and that it wasn't a case...

O'REILLY: All right, now give me one -- your biggest convincer. You've got millions of people watching you right now.

HUGHES: Okay.

O'REILLY: All right? The biggest reason you felt Jackson was innocent was?

HUGHES: I guess, if I were to give one -- there were a lot -- but I will try and pull one. Basically, it was -- I actually recall the letter that went to Chandler, where he was advised about how to report child molestation by using a third party without liability to a parent. And that was like three weeks prior to the actual launching of the allegations.

O'REILLY: All right, now Ms. Hughes, if I am a parent, and my child is molested, all right, I immediately go to my attorney for advice. If my attorney advises me to take a certain course of action, as Dr. Chandler's did, all right, because you worked for the man...

HUGHES: Right.

O'REILLY: ...all right, why would that mean that this didn't happen?

Why wouldn't this be just the methodical, orderly way to place the complaint?

HUGHES: I guess if that was the only thing I had that I could say made me believe that, you would probably be right and I would probably look into it further based on your view. But there's many occasions...

O'REILLY: All right, but I asked you for the big gun. And the big gun hasn't convinced me. Give me something else.

HUGHES: Well, okay -- well, basically, it's -- my contention is that it was an elaborate -- elaborate, meaning it was multifaceted. Multifaceted means I can throw you one thing and it's really not going to matter until you pull it all together. Minus physical evidence, you have to look at the whole picture. You can't just -- one thing is not going to do it for you.

O'REILLY: All right.

HUGHES: But I will say this. I will say this. We have the finest police, law enforcement agency in the nation. There were four police agencies that went looking for evidence to corroborate with the little boy, and they found nothing. That really should be your biggest thing right there.

O'REILLY: Well, here's what swayed me to disagree with you, and maybe you can put this in perspective for us. During the settlement hearings...

HUGHES: Okay.

O'REILLY: The father, Dr. Chandler, all right, and your boss presented a scenario whereby the 13-year-old boy would identify marks on Michael Jackson's body that nobody would have known about unless they had seen his intimate parts.

HUGHES: Right. Yes, okay.

O'REILLY: Now what say you, Madame?

HUGHES: I said did they bring him -- did they arrest him based on their findings? Because had he accurately described parts that only someone could have described if they had seen it, that would have been -- that was really what they were looking for, the mere fact that they didn't bring him up on charges after that. And Michael even said the only reason why...

O'REILLY: The boy -- after the $20 million changed hands, the boy then wouldn't testify. And that's how it went.

HUGHES: Well, that was before that. That was before that. That was before the settlement negotiations.

O'REILLY: Whoa, whoa, whoa. I will cede you one point, Madame. You're not making your case for me, I have to be quite honest with you. I'm not believing...

HUGHES: That's fine.

O'REILLY: ...you know, I'm not going to get it, Bill.

O'REILLY: Well, look, I mean I'm not -- if I'm on the jury and I'm listening to you, he's not exonerated. But I will tell you this -- I do believe that this Dr. Chandler, okay, wanted the money rather than the criminal prosecution. Instead of going to the authorities first and backing into the civil suit, he didn't. He went for the civil -- he wanted the money and then the criminal prosecution be damned. I do believe that. And that's wrong.

HUGHES: But we live in a state where you can have both. You can have criminal prosecution and the money.

O'REILLY: Now, but not then. Not yet. You could have.

HUGHES: Oh, then you could too.

O'REILLY: Now here's motivation you may be right about but...

HUGHES: He could have had both. He didn't have to go just for the one. And you tell me somebody molests your child, you're going to take money and not go after the prosecution?

O'REILLY: I wouldn't do it. I know people who would sell their children for $20 million. Ms. Hughes, we thank you very much for appearing.

HUGHES: Thank you.

O'REILLY: Thank you.

HUGHES: Yes.

O'REILLY: Thank you for appearing.

HUGHES: Thank you.


FOX
matthijstdinsdag 3 februari 2004 @ 09:24
Wel een beetje vooringenomen interviewer.
Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 3 februari 2004 @ 11:38
quote:
Op dinsdag 3 februari 2004 09:24 schreef matthijst het volgende:
Wel een beetje vooringenomen interviewer.
Dacht ik ook al, alhoewel Hughes ook niet echt kan overtuigen.

Even iets anders:

Wade Robson: "I shared Michael Jackson's bed"
Nov-2003

AUSTRALIAN Wade Robson, one of the hottest young talents in Hollywood, yesterday said he had shared a bed with Michael Jackson. The Brisbane dancer, who has a hit TV show in the US and a three-movie directing deal with Disney, said he visited Jackson several times at Neverland Ranch in California.

Now 21, Robson says it was an innocent relationship that began when he was five that never involved any sort of abuse. "I never had that experience and I hope that it never happened to anybody else," he said. Jackson, arrested and booked on suspicion of child molestation last week, faces years in jail if convicted. Robson met the entertainer in 1987 after winning a Jackson dance-impersonation contest.

Over the years, Robson said Jackson bought him instruments and encouraged him in their friendship that, according to the 187cm rising star, was always "creatively based".

"His initial interests in me was because of my dancing, he saw the talent and the spark I had inside me and all he has ever wanted to do is just help my career," he said.

Beetje domme pedo is Michael dan, als hij de kans heeft pakt hij hem niet.

PLAE@dinsdag 3 februari 2004 @ 11:55
wat een artikels zeg
Cosma-Shivadinsdag 3 februari 2004 @ 19:46
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Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 3 februari 2004 @ 23:45
In 1995 was er ook een jongen die naar voren kwam met nieuws dat hij door Michael Jackson zou zijn misbruikt. Hij wist vanalles over Neverland en over het lichaam van MJ, hij kon MJ's medewerkers identificeren, en zij niet uit te zijn op MJ's geld maar hij wilde slechts gerechtigheid.

Het zielige jongetje bleek een eersteklas leugenaar, maar had al wel een detective overtuigd: RealMedia Videobestand

Boy: "He started just touching beneath our stomachs, he rub our stomachs and then, he'd get lower and then after [unintelligable] be like "what are you doing?" he said "It's OK, don't worry, boys are meant to be touched"

De complottheorie tegen MJ is dus echt niet zo heel ver gezocht. Iets betere afspraken tussen dit jochie en zijn handlanger had tot een heel vervelende zaak tegen MJ kunnen leiden.

Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 5 februari 2004 @ 22:01
De familie van het jongetje Gavin die Michael Jackson aanklaagt heeft een erg rommelige geschiedenis achtet de rug. De moeder van Gavin heeft in 1998 al eens een tijdje doorgebracht in een Psychiatrische Inrichting. Daarnaast hebben moeder en kinderen de vader al eens aangeklaagd voor misbruik en een grote winkelketen in Amerika al eens voor seksueel misbruik. In beide zaken leggen ze tegenstrijdige verklaringen af voor de rechter.

Ook nu in de zaak tegen Michael Jackson zijn het moeder en kinderen die Jackson beschuldigen van misbruik en ook nu zijn er reeds vele tegenstrijdigheden in hun verklaringen vanaf Februari.

Toen Michael Jackson de familie in maart niet meer op zijn Neverland wilde hebben, diende de moeder snel een verzoek in om verdubbeling van de alimentatie voor de kinderen. Na anderhalf jaar teren op Michael Jacksons zak, probeert ze nu misschien met de nieuwste aanklachten alsnog een grote klapper ten koste van Jackson te maken.

Jacko Scandal: Accuser's Mom Was in Mental Hospital

Diorchaneldonderdag 5 februari 2004 @ 22:11
De verdediging gaat het op de time- line gooien.
Grappig dat Roger Friedman, altijd Nummer 1 MJ- Hater, Michael nu zo steunt!
Peregrijndonderdag 5 februari 2004 @ 22:13
Wanneer gaat het proces beginnen?


Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 5 februari 2004 @ 22:15
quote:
Op donderdag 5 februari 2004 22:11 schreef Diorchanel het volgende:
De verdediging gaat het op de time- line gooien.
Grappig dat Roger Friedman, altijd Nummer 1 MJ- Hater, Michael nu zo steunt!
Wel opmerkelijk inderdaad.

De tijdslijn is ook zodanig vaag dat de DA wel met een heel raar verhaal moet komen om het nog enigszins geloofwaardig te maken.

Maar Sneddon heeft zelf ook geen lekkere achtergrond (hij wordt op dit moment ook aangeklaagd voor 10 miljoen vanwege 'substantial governmental misconduct') dus ik ben nog benieuwd wat er gaat komen.

Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 5 februari 2004 @ 22:16
quote:
Op donderdag 5 februari 2004 22:13 schreef Peregrijn het volgende:
Wanneer gaat het proces beginnen?
Dat is nog niet bekend.

Eerst wordt er volgende week vrijdag (de 13e) een datum gezet voor de Preliminary Hearing zoals dat heet. En daarin zal weer worden bekeken of er uberhaupt genoeg bewijs is om een jury samen te stellen voor een rechtszaak.

Kan allemaal nog wel een jaar duren dus.

Ha Peregrijn

Copycatvrijdag 6 februari 2004 @ 10:47
Van Popbitch:
quote:
Leaks from the Michael Jackson trial paint a gruesome picture of life in Neverland:
Drawers full of boys' soiled underwear;
Photos of naked blond boys as young as seven;
Attempts to bribe cancer kid Gavin with promises to make him a film star in return for being nice in the Bashir documentary;
More than 100 boys sleeping over at Neverland in the last three years.

As Jackson is nearly broke and no more use to the music industry as a recording artist, it's unlikely he'll have the legal firepower to get off this time.

Michael Jackson has been interrupting court proceedings every 20 minutes or so for bathroom breaks so he can get his foundation make-up retouched.


Cosma-Shivazondag 8 februari 2004 @ 03:59
MJ geeft misbruik toe aan Farrakhan (NOI):
quote:
NE reported that NoI had a tape of MJ admitting to Farrakhan that he had abused the alleged victim.

While investigating this case, NE came in contact with a former NoI member, with 20 years in the organization.

In meetings on 1/21 and 1/22, the man stated that he had a copy of the tape between MJ and Farrakhan where MJ says, in relation to the abuse, "I did it".

In a phone call with NE on 1/27, the informant says he is presently working out a deal to have himself and his family placed in a witness protection program, in exchange for turning the tape over to federal authorities. He says, "I fear for the lives of myself and my family".

He says,"The Nation has an audio-tape of Jackson admitting to Farrakhan that he sexually molested the young boy. The tape was made in December 2003, when Jackson secretly flew to Chicago's Mosque Maryam. On the tape Jackson was asked, 'Did you molest the boy?' Jackson responds, 'I did it' ", claims the source.

"I believe the Nation recorded Jackson without his knowledge - not to help out authorities, but to use it if needed to extort money from Jackson.

"In mid-December, select members of the FoI (Fruit of Islam) Security Detail were called to assemble early in the morning in a warehouse near Torrence, California. About 25 select members were briefed on 'the plan'. Several members of the NoI - including me - were promised $100,000 by the high-ranking members of the NoI for our work, but we had to be willing to do whatever was required. Soon afterwards, we loaded into about five SUV-type vehicles and drove to Mark Geragos' office, 20 miles away.

"High-level members of the Nation entered Geragos' office and met with Geragos privately while the remaining members waited outside. Inside, the members of the NoI offered their services of 'protection' to Jackson for a $5.5 million 'donation'. Jackson's people were told that if they didn't want to give the NoI a 'donation', their safety couldn't be guaranteed. After discussing the issue with Geragos, Jackson finally gave the NoI the $5.5 million 'donation'. The NoI deposited the money in one of their accounts in Switzerland or the Cayman Islands, where it can't be detected by the U.S. government" claims the source.

"Not only has the NoI required a donation from Jackson, but they are slowly taking over his Neverland Ranch."

Dr. Vibert White, a former member of the NoI and author of the book "Inside the Nation of Islam: A Historical and Personal Testimony by a Black Muslim" told the Enquirer that the intimidation tactics described by the source are not uncommon for the NoI.

"The NoI is highly militant. They will use intimidation by all means", said Dr. White, a professor at the University of Central Florida, who was appointed to a White House Commission in 1996.

"They will tape record, absolutely. Based on my experience, the NoI has probably isolated Michael - or they have an NoI member around him 24/7. And once the NoI is in, it is like hell to get them out. His involvement with the NoI will ultimately destroy Michael Jackson. What little reputation he has left will be irreparable"

NE calls to Geragos and NoI spokesperson Dora Muhammad were not returned, & therefore the NE was not able to confirm the source's claims with them.


Iwan1976zondag 8 februari 2004 @ 08:29
Hoe krijgen ze het verzonnen?

...Also Friday [Feb 6 2004], Jackson issued a brief statement denying rumors he said recently surfaced that a "rift" has developed between himself, members of his family and the Nation of Islam, whose members have been providing him security.

"Let me state for the record, this is not true. There is no 'rift,'" Jackson said.

"If my friends love me as much as they've indicated, then they'd do me a great favor by not being so eager to air their personal concerns about me in the media, which will avoid causing me further embarrassment," he added.

BRON: MJEOL.COM

[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Iwan1976 op 08-02-2004 08:43]

Iwan1976zondag 8 februari 2004 @ 08:37
Cameras Banned From Courtroom
Friday, February 06, 2004
Prosecutors object to televised hearing

According to Reuters, Judge Rodney Melville has banned cameras from entering the courtroom on February 13th.

Despite much pressure from the mass media and the attorneys representing them, the Judge decided against having the hearing televised.

Also, Prosecutors now object to cameras being allowed despite previously claiming they would not oppose such a proposal.

The Judge's ruling "came on the same day that prosecutors, who previously said they would not oppose cameras for pre-trial hearings in the sensational case, filed court papers saying that they had changed their minds and would now object."


Judge Rodney Melville

BRON: MJNI.COM

Diorchanelzondag 8 februari 2004 @ 10:51
Geraldo got to speak to MJ from his bedroom. He said that MJ was sleepy. He asked MJ how he was feeling, MJ said that he was "depressed". He has hired a new spokesperson ( a woman), this new spokes person helped to get the chat with MJ and Geraldo.

MJ said that he may come to the Grammy after parties cos he has been invited to mingle with her peers..not quite sure if he will attend the event itself...Geraldo was so excited to speak to MJ he forgot to ask about Janet ( I don't blame him). MJ is sick and tired of the folks claiming to be family friends speaking for him on the NOI crap. Lenard Mohammed is still with him. MJ said that the NOI is still his security but he uses different securities depending on the occassion. The NOI will have a limited role cos he will not be making public appearances alot, they will be used when he makes big appearances. He has known Farakkahna since he was 16 years old. MJ said that the DA is trying to break him that is why all these fabrications are out against him, he is a target.. A representative will be coming on Geraldo to speak for MJ tonight on Geraldo.

He said, Michael named the names of the people behind this and geraldo will to, later on tonight. Michael's new spokeperson says Michael is not going to have another financial summit, that he's been invited to some of the post grammies parties. He said, MJ is annoyed at all the "friends, family members" Speaking for him.

Geraldo said, the family knows Farakha since Michael was 16. And that Leornard wasn't going anywhere, and that NOI role will not be as active in security because MJ is not gonna make any big activities...ect.

Iwan1976maandag 9 februari 2004 @ 20:13
Geraldo to Masada: "That is a lie"
Monday, February 09, 2004
TV host Rivera speaks to Accuser family friend

As previously reported, on February 7th Geraldo Rivera talked about his phone conversation with the King of Pop and the case against Michael on At Large With Geraldo.

His show also contained guests; one of those who appeared was Jamie Masada, a comedy club owner who claims that as a family friend of the Accuser, he set up the first meeting with the boy and Michael Jackson.

When interviewing him, Rivera tries to clarify the exact involvement Masada had with the introductory meeting, "My impression has been throughout that you personally knew Michael Jackson, and made this introduction, are you saying that's not the story?" Masada replies, "No, it was not like that at all. I do not know Michael at all." Rivera then follows up, "You've never met Michael Jackson?" "I've never met Michael Jackson", responds Masada.

"In my conversation with Michael Jackson today, and with his new publicist Raymone Bain, they told me that he doesn't know who you (Masada) are, he doesn't know you, never met you, and that it was in fact, it was Vernée Watson-Johnson from the old Fresh Prince of Bel-Air series who introduced him through the Make A Wish Foundation." Masada replies, "No, it's not true."

Rivera later starts to get quite aggravated, "What I deplore though, are people who pretend to know Michael Jackson when they really don't." Masada then responds, "I never said I know Michael Jackson." Rivera continues, "But people say you introduced him (the Accuser) to Michael Jackson, Jamie, you admit that this is not true, that is a lie, you did not introduce the kid to Michael Jackson, you never spoke to Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson doesn't know you."

Masada throughout attempts to redirect the interview to discuss the Accuser's health, which he claims, is deteriorating. However, this has been disputed by attorney Russell Halpern, who is representing the Accuser's Father, and who recently provided a Judge in a separate case concerning custody with letters from a Doctor as well as letter from Deputies at the Santa Barbara Sheriff's office stating that the boy appeared healthy.

Rivera's persistent questioning started to unsettle Masada, and after he couldn't supply a name to who he had spoken to in Neverland to set up the meeting, Masada then asks, "Why you questioning all that?" Rivera quickly replies, "I'm questioning it because you've been making a lot of hay for the last few months as quote en quote "the man who introduced Michael Jackson to the kid who later accused him of molestation" and that's not true."

Rivera then takes a phone call from a nationwide known radio host in the US, Armstrong Williams, who had also spoken to Michael that day. Once Williams had finished, Rivera let Masada have a final response. "I don't know where, Geraldo, where you got your information." Rivera promptly interrupts, "From Michael Jackson and the people around him! Unlike you I spoke with Michael Jackson today."

Masada then speaks briefly about the Accuser's health once again before Rivera again interrupts, "It's (the topic) not about the kid. It's about the people who pretend. knowledge and association they do not posses."


Geraldo Rivera


Jamie Masada

BRON: MJNI.COM

Iwan1976maandag 9 februari 2004 @ 20:14
Armstrong Williams Phones In Geraldo Show
Monday, February 09, 2004
Radio Host Speaks About Michael Jackson

During the eventful broadcast of At Large With Geraldo on February 7th, Armstrong Williams phoned in speaking on behalf of Michael Jackson, after speaking to the King of Pop earlier in the day. He and Geraldo Rivera discussed the people in Michael's life, the case, and Michael himself.

His phone call came immediately after Rivera had given his other guest Jamie Masada some tough questions, and had stated that the comedy club owner was a liar. (For more information on this particular part of the show click here)

"I have been a critic of Michael in a very constructive way, but there are so many people running around claiming they're close to Michael, claiming they introduced him to different kinds of people. Like you, (referring to Rivera) I spoke with Mr. Jackson earlier today at length, he has no idea who this guy (Masada) is, has never spoken to him in his life, and obviously you have outed this guy".

Armstrong continues, "Michael Jackson is just sick and tired of people running around speaking in his name and telling untruths. This man is under a lot of pressure, he has some serious allegations against him, and he wants people out there speaking for him who really knows him, and this Jamie Masada does not know Michael Jackson. That's why he's struggling with you on the air because you've outed him."

The radio host then goes on to talk about the media's role in this case, "the media is willing to give people like Masada credibility because they assume he is close to Michael Jackson. I think we all need to take a step back and say look, yes we've criticised him in the past, but he is innocent until proven guilty, we should be mindful of the sources we put on the air, and make sure that their credibility is intact before we give them air time to run around making these allegations about Michael Jackson which you've just shown to be absolutely not true."

Rivera and Williams then discussed how Michael seemed to them when each of them spoke with the King of Pop. "My take on Michael today was he was very depressed, almost distressed by what's happened, he did not sound well to me, how did he sound to you?" Rivera posed the question to Williams, who responded, "Well you know what Geraldo, I got a different Michael Jackson, he was very upbeat, he was spirited, he had a lot of strength, he said he was in charge, he was running things, for the first time he has a publicist that he trusts, Raymone Bain, he's realised a lot of people around him have exploited him, he's taken back control of his life because he feels it's his credibility and his reputation, his life that is on the line and he's gonna start running things since he's the best person to do it."

Williams ends his phone conversation with Rivera by talking about what he thinks may happen in the future, "I think some heads are gonna roll, I think he's bringing in the new management team, I think you may be in shock about some of the decisions he's probably made for what's in his best interests in the future that relates to these allegations against him."


Armstrong Williams

BRON: MJNI.COM

Iwan1976maandag 9 februari 2004 @ 21:16
Stephen King Defends Michael
Monday, February 09, 2004
Horror legend points out "thin" case

In his latest The Pop of King column, published in the 13 February issue of Entertainment Weekly, Stephen King tackles the King of Pop's case, concluding with "What I'm asking is whether this is a country where a peculiar person such as Michael Jackson can get a fair shake and be considered innocent until proven guilty..."

To contact EW with your comments on King's column, please email them at ew_letters@ew.com.

BRON: MJNI.COM

kamagurkamaandag 9 februari 2004 @ 21:23
Ik heb nooit staan bodypoppe met een oranje lederen jas aan en een zilveren sok met witte handschoenen..
Ik heb nog nooit een noot van die jankaap goedschiks door mijn kneiter laten gaan, dus wat nou.. we waren allen MJ-fan. Het klootjesvolk ja, wat dacht dat het swingend was wat ie deed.
Het was een succesvolle zeikneus en nu is het een onsuccesvolle zeikneus. That's it.
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 9 februari 2004 @ 21:48
quote:
Op maandag 9 februari 2004 21:23 schreef kamagurka het volgende:
Ik heb nooit staan bodypoppe met een oranje lederen jas aan en een zilveren sok met witte handschoenen..
Ik heb nog nooit een noot van die jankaap goedschiks door mijn kneiter laten gaan, dus wat nou.. we waren allen MJ-fan. Het klootjesvolk ja, wat dacht dat het swingend was wat ie deed.
Het was een succesvolle zeikneus en nu is het een onsuccesvolle zeikneus. That's it.
En wat heeft dat met de zaak te maken?

Ik vind je trouwens wel heel stoer!

kamagurkadinsdag 10 februari 2004 @ 00:20
quote:
Op maandag 9 februari 2004 21:48 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]

En wat heeft dat met de zaak te maken?

Ik vind je trouwens wel heel stoer!


Kijk nog even terug naar de openingspost

Ik ben niet van de school "als puber MOEST je". Zeker niet als het ook niet waar is

Iwan1976dinsdag 10 februari 2004 @ 06:24
quote:
Op zondag 8 februari 2004 10:51 schreef Diorchanel het volgende:
Geraldo got to speak to MJ from his bedroom. He said that MJ was sleepy. He asked MJ how he was feeling, MJ said that he was "depressed".
Het lijkt erop dat mijn vermoedens van een aantal posts geleden juist zijn.

Hopelijk beseft hij wel dat hij niet depressief is door deze rechtszaak, maar dat het een andere oorzaak heeft.

Diorchaneldinsdag 10 februari 2004 @ 08:05
Message from Michael;

"I love you all. I thank you for your love and support from around the world. I love my fans ... you are my friends, very loyal to me. And thank you for everything you've done. I'm working on something very special at the moment. God bless you. I love you. "

Bron: Overal te vinden op MJ fan sites

Cosma-Shivadinsdag 10 februari 2004 @ 19:31
quote:
DA MAY CHARGE TEAM JACKO OVER MOM'S 'KIDNAP'


February 10, 2004 -- The district attorney prosecuting Michael Jackson on child-molestation charges is considering bringing obstruction and witness-tampering charges against two of Jacko's handlers, sources told The Post.
Jackson was arrested in November and charged the next month with molesting a 12-year-old cancer victim at his Neverland Ranch.

Santa Barbara County DA Tom Sneddon may seek to arrest Jackson insiders Frank Tyson and Vinnie Amen on charges they tried to hold the alleged victim's mother at Neverland after her son appeared last year with Jacko on a British TV documentary - holding The Gloved One's hand.

After the show was aired, a Los Angeles schoolteacher called a child-abuse hotline, sparking an investigation of Jackson by the Sensitive Case Unit of the L.A. Department of Children & Family Services.

Tyson and Amen may be charged with detaining the woman against her will while they tried to obtain passports for her, the boy and the rest of their family - purportedly to whisk them away to Brazil to prevent them talking to authorities, the sources said.

When that ploy failed, the pair allegedly duped - or forced - the boy's mother to sign a document saying Jacko never abused the child.

The statement is said to have scuttled the child-abuse investigation - the child-welfare agency and the LAPD-Wilshire Division found allegations that the child's mother neglected him and Jackson had sexually abused him to be unfounded.

Sources said Tyson and Amen have hired prominent New York lawyer Joseph Tacopina, who defended Abner Louima cop Thomas Wiese, to represent them.

Tacopina confirmed he's been retained and said Tyson and Amen "believe in Michael Jackson's innocence as they do in their own."


New York Post
Iwan1976woensdag 11 februari 2004 @ 23:31
quote:
Op maandag 9 februari 2004 21:23 schreef kamagurka het volgende:
Ik heb nooit staan bodypoppe met een oranje lederen jas aan en een zilveren sok met witte handschoenen..
Ik heb nog nooit een noot van die jankaap goedschiks door mijn kneiter laten gaan, dus wat nou.. we waren allen MJ-fan. Het klootjesvolk ja, wat dacht dat het swingend was wat ie deed.
Het was een succesvolle zeikneus en nu is het een onsuccesvolle zeikneus. That's it.
Ik ben het niet helemaal met je eens. Er zit echter een kern van waarheid in je woorden, maar ik ben bang dat het overgrote deel van de mensen die dit lezen het niet wil/kan begrijpen.

Ten eerste ben ik het niet eens met de kwalificaties die je aan MJ toekent, maar dat is een kwestie van smaak en daar valt niet over te twisten.

Ik verbaas me voornamelijk over de laatste 2 woorden van je bericht: 'That's it.' Ik denk namelijk dat niks in dit leven zeker is, en zelfs daar twijfel ik aan.

Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 00:19
Een stukje uit Weapons of Mass Distraction in Jackson Case

Court documents exist which show the family has a history of lying to authorities. The children told Child Services (without the mother present) that their father had never abuse them in any way. However, during her divorce, she claimed both she and her children were abused by him (see 'The Abrams Report' for Jan. 8 )

Not to mention their denials upon denials to Child Services in Feb 2003 concerning these very allegations of molestation against Jackson. The mother also spent time in a mental hospital in 1998, which is shown in documents released by the father of the accuser.

The family made an allegation to CPS in 2001 that the father threatened to kill the mother. The accuser's sister later admits to the judge in that case that they were lying.

The family claims to have been held hostage at Neverland by Jackson's people from Feb to March. However, this does not explain why they did not mention being 'held hostage' to any CPS worker who investigated them at the time, nor does it explain why they befriended Ed Bradley in Feb 2003 and offered to go on television to talk about 'what a wonderful person' Jackson is; making no mention of being 'held hostage' to Bradley either.

Once they 'escaped' from Neverland, they don't call the police, but instead shop for a civil attorneys until they find one, who then starts to send threatening letters to Jackson's attorneys. According to reports, court documents exist that show this same mother going to court in March 2003 asking for a judge to double her child support payments from the father. She doesn't mention anything about being 'held hostage' by Jackson's people then either. Jacko Scandal: Accuser's Mom Was in Mental Hospital

Further, there are eye witnesses who have seen this accuser and his family at Neverland 'not intoxicated and having a great time' after March 10.]

Al deze feiten en nog steeds de erg vreemde tijdlijn in dit verhaal geven mij toch wel lichtelijk de indruk dat er iets niet klopt.

Cosma-Shivavrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 01:55
quote:
"Shocking developments in the MJ case.

Our cameras are on the ground in Santa Maria."

"Two more boys have come forward to say that Jackson molested them, in the last year". The boys are unrelated to each other and unrelated to the present AV.

Allan Butterfield then reported that they reported the "same behavior" (on Jackson's part) as the present accuser, and that "police are now investigating these claims. This could be a huge bombshell", he said.

"The two boys live in the LA area", Butterfield said. It was stressed repeatedly throughout the discussion that LE is just "talking" to these boys, and the ultimate decision to move ahead on this "talking" will rest on the approval/agreement of the parents of these boys, and the decision by LE that these allegations are valid.


CTV.
ilona-scuderiavrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 01:59
Ik weet dat het er hier heel serieus aan toe gaat, maar onderstaand filmpje is eigenlijk best wel grappig

http://www.zipperfish.com/free/jackson-press-statement.html

Peregrijnvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 10:26
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 01:59 schreef ilona-scuderia het volgende:
Ik weet dat het er hier heel serieus aan toe gaat, maar onderstaand filmpje is eigenlijk best wel grappig

http://www.zipperfish.com/free/jackson-press-statement.html


Vooral die slak op het laatst is leuk

Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 12:01
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 01:55 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

[..]

CTV.


Is daar al meer van bekend? Want volgens mij was de bron de National Enquirer die ze op CourtTV aanhaalden en dus verre van betrouwbaar.
Mylenevrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:11
Wanneer wordt die freak afgevoerd??
Moistvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:13
Het is vast al ergens gezegd in een van de delen. Maar heeft Janet nou expres die commotie veroorzaakt om de aandacht af te leiden van haar broer?
Mylenevrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:14
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:13 schreef Moist het volgende:
Het is vast al ergens gezegd in een van de delen. Maar heeft Janet nou expres die commotie veroorzaakt om de aandacht af te leiden van haar broer?
Janet Jackson is zo passé. Beetje Madonna en Britney nadoen .
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:35
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:11 schreef schatje het volgende:
Wanneer wordt die freak afgevoerd??
Sneddon bedoel je?
Mylenevrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:38
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:35 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

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Sneddon bedoel je?


Wacko Jacko uiteraard .
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:44
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:38 schreef schatje het volgende:

[..]

Wacko Jacko uiteraard .


Nou, Sneddon heeft de boel vertraagd door wat bewijsmateriaal niet af te willen staan aan MJ's team waardoor de juridische handeling die vandaag op het programma stond is verplaatst naar 2 april. Verder heeft de rechter gezegd dat hij nog dit jaar de zaak wil afronden. Dus waarschijnlijk ergens in december volgt de daadwerkelijke rechtszaak.

Oh, en als je MJ 'Wacko Jacko' noemt, hoe noem je die moeder van Gavin dan wel niet? Die heeft in een gekkenhuis gezeten!

Iwan1976vrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:51
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 01:59 schreef ilona-scuderia het volgende:
Ik weet dat het er hier heel serieus aan toe gaat, maar onderstaand filmpje is eigenlijk best wel grappig

http://www.zipperfish.com/free/jackson-press-statement.html


HIStory Herhaling... herhaling... herhaling... nu Fokke en Sukke nog

Two wrongs don't make it right.

Mylenevrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:55
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:44 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

[..]

Oh, en als je MJ 'Wacko Jacko' noemt, hoe noem je die moeder van Gavin dan wel niet? Die heeft in een gekkenhuis gezeten!


Maar het gaat niet om die moeder maar om arme Gavin .

Michael Jackson is altijd al gek geweest .

Cosma-Shivavrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 19:59
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 12:01 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

Is daar al meer van bekend? Want volgens mij was de bron de National Enquirer die ze op CourtTV aanhaalden en dus verre van betrouwbaar.


Ik weet niet of het waar is, maar een dergelijke beschuldiging doen terwijl het onwaar is zal problemen opleveren, dus we weten het snel genoeg denk ik.
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 20:04
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:55 schreef schatje het volgende:
Maar het gaat niet om die moeder maar om arme Gavin .
Maar die gekke moeder kan Gavin wel aanzetten tot het doen van zulke beschuldigingen. Er zijn al documenten waaruit blijkt dat ze tegen officiële instanties hebben gelogen. Dat ze zonder moeder erbij een ander verhaal vertellen dan als de moeder erbij is.

In zaken als deze is de betrouwbaarheid van de verklaringen juist het allerbelangrijkst, dus is de rol van de moeder wel degelijk ook van belang.

Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 13 februari 2004 @ 20:06
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:59 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:

[..]

Ik weet niet of het waar is, maar een dergelijke beschuldiging doen terwijl het onwaar is zal problemen opleveren, dus we weten het snel genoeg denk ik.


Ach, dergelijke beschuldigen zijn er al genoeg geweest als het om MJ gaat, maar er blijkt altijd wel weer een rotte bron tussen te zitten.
Cosma-Shivazaterdag 14 februari 2004 @ 02:53
Vader van G. zodirect bij Larry King.
Diorchanelzaterdag 14 februari 2004 @ 09:34
Hum, die pa is ook al beschuldigd van sexueel misbruik! Wat heeft dat jong toch een vreselijk leven!

CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Interview With Dru Sjodin's Family; Michael Jackson Accuser's Father Speaks Out

Aired February 13, 2004 - 21:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

KING: We'll take a break. And when we come back, the father of Michael Jackson's accuser. Don't go away.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: It's a great pleasure to welcome to LARRY KING LIVE, David. He's the father of the boy now accusing Michael Jackson of sexual molestation. We are not using, David's last name, because doing so could identify his son and CNN does not identify alleged victims of sexual abuse. Also with us is Russell Halpern, he's David's attorney on child visitation and custody issues.

Now, David, what you want is to have a restraining order against you dropped, right? You cannot see your kids, is that it?

DAVID, FATHER OF BOY ACCUSING OF MICHAEL JACKSON: That's it. I haven't seen them at all since 2001.

KING: Three years.

DAVID: Yes.

KING: Why?

RUSSELL HALPERN, ATTY. FOR DAVID: Actually, what happened was that he was originally charged with spousal abuse and child abuse, and the court issued a restraining order. It was temporary, but his wife went to court and got another restraining order during a divorce proceedings. Unfortunately, he wasn't represented during the divorce proceedings and it went uncontested so that restraining order is still in effect and will in effect for at least another year unless we get it lifted.

KING: So, David, you did not, then, plead no contest to charges of child cruelty and spousal abuse.

HALPERN: I'm sorry, he's here to talk about how he feels about his child and...

KING: I want to find out why he doesn't see his child.

HALPERN: Well, he did enter a plea -- no contest pleas as you know in California is allowing the court to find him guilty in order to avoid going to trial, and the risks that go along with trials. So my advice, he did enter a plea of no contest to those on separate occasions with a plea bargain that he would not spend a day in jail. Otherwise if he had gone to trial it might have been a year in jail.

KING: What is your hope of seeing your kids, David?

DAVID: Just waiting to see if I could -- everything hasn't went my way so far.

KING: What has to happen?

HALPERN: Well, first, in March, we're going to have a hearing called an order to show cause, and that hearing we're going to present evidence that David is a good father. Part of the evidence we're going to present is a deposition that his wife had given during a JCPenney's lawsuit and in that deposition she was asked what his propensity for violence was and she said that she specifically asked, did he ever hit you? And she said no and then she elaborated by saying he was a wonderful husband, he had never touched her, he didn't have it in him to touch a woman and he had never touched the children, never as far as even spanking the kids.

KING: What is the reaction you have, David, to your son's accusations? What's your reaction?

DAVID: I can't have any reaction. I'm not there yet. I haven't spoke to my son.

KING: How did you feel when you heard? You had to have a feeling when you heard that your son is making an accusation.

HALPERN: That's a difficult question for him to ask a difficult question for him to answer, because there is a gag order to David because he may be a witness in that case and he is not to comment on anything to do with the Santa Barbara case. He can comment on how he feels about his children and about his own matter, but as how he reacts to the news of what happened in Santa Barbara, he can't.

KING: Was that because he would have knowledge of what happened in Santa Barbara? Why would he be a witness?

HALPERN: Well, I think he would probably be a witness, if anybody, he'd be a witness because he had knowledge as to the background concerning his ex-wife. He had knowledge concerning the background of this child, and that could be used by either side.

KING: Do you expect him to be a witness?

HALPERN: I actually believe that he will be called as a witness.

KING: I see. Do you know Michael Jackson?

DAVID: Yes.

KING: Do you like him?

DAVID: He's always been a real good friend, yes.

KING: So you're kind of tormented here.

DAVID: I don't know which way to go. I'm not there yet. I haven't spoke to my son. So I don't know if I have any feelings one way or the other.

KING: You have a son who has made the accusation who you love and miss.

DAVID: I don't even know that much.

KING: But you know he's made the accusation there wouldn't be a Santa Barbara case.

HALPERN: I'm sorry.

KING: Well, he's got to know that. That's like saying I don't know the earth is round.

HALPERN: That's true but you're putting him in a difficult position. He's been told by me and by other people not to talk about the Mr. Jackson or about the accusations at all. He came on the program today because he wanted to talk about how he feels towards his sons and other children and how he wants to see them again, but it's really difficult for him...

KING: So Jackson is off boards?

HALPERN: Definitely off boards.

KING: How many children do have, David?

DAVID: Three. Two boys and a girl. My boys are a year apart. David is the oldest. My boys are December 11 and 2nd, and that would be 13 and 14.

KING: You haven't seen any of them in three years?

DAVID: No.

KING: Do they contact you at all?

DAVID: No, they were told they couldn't contact me either.

KING: Do you ever go by and try to look for them?

DAVID: As a father that's pretty much what I do in my head all the time.

KING: Do you drive by the school?

DAVID: No, even though I've never been in trouble on this, I've never been accused of this before the accusations that she didn't make up, even something she didn't pick up in the case was so terrible, you know, I mean it was unheard of a father ever, you know, wanting to do things like this to their family that the court, which are designed to protect women that are going through these things and it's understandable what they're doing but if I went by or tried to find out any information on them, they give me an automatic year in jail.

HALPERN: During the time his case was pending his wife did make some accusations that he tried to contact one of the children and he almost went to jail that time.

KING: Just for contacting?

HALPERN: Yes, so he's leery of that and been following their orders to the letter of the law.

KING: Do you expect, Russell, to get this changed at the hearing?

HALPERN: Definitely so. I think it will be changed. What we're going to ask the judge to do in the beginning is to just allow supervised visits. We'll explain to the judge that we don't believe any of the accusations ever were true but even assuming that they were, it's not good for the child not, for all the children not to see their father. We're going to ask there be supervised visits and let that grow into a better relationship.

KING: You're not under a gag order, are you?

HALPERN: Well, that is a good question. I was...

KING: How would you be called?

HALPERN: That's a very good question. I received a letter from Mr. Sneddon claiming that I was a potential witness. I called Mr. Sneddon, and asked him how he thought that, and he said, well, maybe you could be an impeaching witness, discrediting other witnesses. I said well which witnesses would I discredit? He named his own witnesses. I said so are you telling me you're going to call me as a witness to discredit your own witnesses? Of course he didn't have a real answer for that. I also called Mr. Geragos' office so ask them if they thought I was a witness. They agreed with me, thank you, that there was not anything that I could say that would be legally admissible. I'm not a potential witness. I think it was an attempt by the prosecution not to defend my client any further in the press.

KING: But you have in the past indicated that you think the son may have invented these allegations at the behest of the mother.

HALPERN: No, I don't believe I ever said that. I was asked if that were a probability. I don't want to comment on that at this time because I'm sitting next to my client and Mr. Sneddon can interpret that as being authorized from him and I don't want to cause him any trouble.

KING: I understand. David, to have you been to Neverland?

DAVID: Yes.

KING: What do you want to say to your kids that might be watching.

DAVID: I want to say that I love them and I'm trying hard to see them and I've been trying since they've been taken away from me, and I just want them to know that I'm going to keep trying.

KING: You still love them and miss them?

DAVID: Yes, very much.

KING: How bad is this case going to get?

HALPERN: I don't think it's going to get that bad.

KING: No?

HALPERN: No, because the real issue is what's good for the children. In family court that's the central issue so the court is going to decide is it good for the children to keep the father permanently away from the children? I'm sure any reasonable court would say no.

KING: Do you expect the mother to complain a lot?

HALPERN: I do expect that very much so.

DAVID: The reason why I didn't plead in this case was because of my insurance.

KING: How bad is the Jackson case going to get?

HALPERN: Pardon me?

KING: How bad is the Jackson case going to get.

HALPERN: I'd like to comment on that more now but for the sake of my client...

KING: OK, let's make this agreement. When this is over you both come back. Thank you David, thank you Russell. David, we don't identify the last name because as we said, CNN will never identify alleged victims of sexual abuse and David's attorney, Russell Halpern. You're watching LARRY KING LIVE. Be right back.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0402/13/lkl.00.html

TuuTzaterdag 14 februari 2004 @ 12:16
quote:
Op vrijdag 13 februari 2004 19:14 schreef schatje het volgende:
Janet Jackson is zo passé.
Na slechts één week op de radio is Janet's nieuwe single al op nummer 47 gekomen in de VS, terwijl American Life maar tot 37 kwam uiteindelijk. Janet heeft het gemiddeld altijd beter gedaan per album dan Madonna in de VS (en volgens mij wereldwijd ook). Wie is er nou passé? Volgens mij is Madonna gewoon jaloers dat zij nooit zoveel aandacht heeft gekregen met haar stunts als Janet nu.
Maar goed, daar gaat het hier helemaal niet om, maar waarom toch altijd die domme en vaak gemene opmerkingen van jou in die Jackson topics? Probeer je gewoon te provoceren of wat is het?
Iwan1976zaterdag 14 februari 2004 @ 15:06
quote:
Op zaterdag 14 februari 2004 12:16 schreef TuuT het volgende:

Probeer je gewoon te provoceren of wat is het?


De vraag stellen is hem beantwoorden...

Nee, even serieus: de opmerkingen van Schatje c.s. hebben wel degelijk nut. Door de leugen/waarheid te benadrukken kun je de waarheid benaderen. Ik zeg expres benaderen, want de waarheid/leugen, het is maar net wat je wilt zien, zal nooit 100% boven tafel komen.

Een beetje provoceren op z'n tijd kan geen kwaad, maar je moet wel oppassen dat het geen truukje wordt. Je moet de 'werkelijkheid' van 2 kanten durven te bekijken.

Iwan1976zaterdag 14 februari 2004 @ 15:12
Preliminary Hearing Date Still Not Set
Saturday, February 14, 2004
Defence requests exception to gag order

Yesterday was another day in court for Michael Jackson's attorneys Mark Geragos and Benjamin Brafman, however the King of Pop himself did not attend.

The idea of yesterday's trial was to set a date for a future preliminary hearing, which would allow the Defence and Prosecution teams to display their evidence to Judge Rodney Melville, who would then decide whether or not there is in fact enough evidence to go to court.

However, (according to the Associated Press) this was not decided, and a date of April 2nd has been set to try once again to decide on a preliminary hearing date. The Judge expressed his desire to have this case on trial by the end of the year. All attorneys said they would be ready by December.

The reasons for the delay are believed to be that the attorneys are simply not ready. Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon provided Mark Geragos with pages of evidence for review, and apparently is only halfway though turning over the material. Geragos said he would need time to review it all.

Benjamin Brafman "hinted there would be a need for hearings on "other serious issues" before a preliminary hearing could go forward. He did not elaborate."

The Judge was asked by the Defence to provide an exception to the gag order imposed on all participants, to respond to inaccurate information. "If one can believe the media, I've been fired and rehired five times since we were last here," Geragos said. "Mr. Brafman also has fielded numerous calls on this issue."

"We do not want in any way, shape or form to violate the gag order. But when it has to do with a client, when people are polluting the jury pool, we should be able to say something," Geragos said. A worry was also expresses by Geragos that potential witnesses were leaking information, therefore violating the gag order.

Despite resilient media pressure to unseal search warrant documents, the Judge decided they would remain sealed. However, edited versions may be released as early as next week.

BRON: MJNI.COM

Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 15 februari 2004 @ 23:40
Twee interessante stukjes uit het interview van Gavin's vader en zijn advocaat met Larry King zijn toch wel de volgende:

Als eerste een verklaring van de moeder over de vader (die een verbod heeft om zijn kinderen niet meer te mogen zien):
a deposition that his wife [accusers mother] had given during a JCPennys lawsuit and in that deposition she was asked what his propensity for violence was and she saidshe was specifically asked, did he ever hit you? And she said no and then she elaborated by saying he was a wonderful husband, he had never touched her, he didnt have it in him to touch a woman and he had never touched the children, never as far as even spanking the kids.

Komt niet echt overeen met het beeld van de hardhandige vader die een straatverbod heeft.

En verder, over Sneddon en waarom hij de advocaat (Halpern) van de vader van Gavin een spreekverbod op wilde leggen:

HALPERN: That's a very good question. I received a letter from Mr. Sneddon claiming that I was a potential witness. I called Mr. Sneddon, and asked him how he thought that, and he said, well, maybe you could be an impeaching witness, discrediting other witnesses. I said well which witnesses would I discredit? He named his own witnesses. I said so are you telling me you're going to call me as a witness to discredit your own witnesses?? Of course he didn't have a real answer for that. I also called Mr. Geragos' office so ask them if they thought I was a witness. They agreed with me, thank you, that there was not anything that I could say that would be legally admissible. I'm not a potential witness. I think it was an attempt by the prosecution not to defend my client any further in the press.

Dit geeft dus aan dat Sneddon bereid is om rare trucjes uit te halen om mogelijke informatie over de moeder en kinderen (die de vader immers heeft) buiten de media te houden. Erg verontrustend eigenlijk, als iemand die gewoon de waarheid moet achterhalen zulke fratsen uithaalt.

Ripleymaandag 16 februari 2004 @ 10:51
quote:
ON HOLD: The judge in Michael Jackson's molestation case delaying a ruling on when to hold the preliminary hearing after the defense said it hasn't had enough time to review the prosecution's evidence.

BAD BANKROLL: Michael Jackson may be in serious financial trouble; the singer is expected to repay a $70 million loan to Bank of America Tuesday, but does not have the cash, according to the New York Times. Jackson's music manager has denied the report.


kamagurkamaandag 16 februari 2004 @ 10:58
quote:
Op woensdag 11 februari 2004 23:31 schreef Iwan1976 het volgende:

[..]

Ik ben het niet helemaal met je eens. Er zit echter een kern van waarheid in je woorden, maar ik ben bang dat het overgrote deel van de mensen die dit lezen het niet wil/kan begrijpen.

Ten eerste ben ik het niet eens met de kwalificaties die je aan MJ toekent, maar dat is een kwestie van smaak en daar valt niet over te twisten.


Dus ben je het eigenlijk toch merendeels met me eens, aangezien smaak onbetwistbaar is
quote:
Ik verbaas me voornamelijk over de laatste 2 woorden van je bericht: 'That's it.' Ik denk namelijk dat niks in dit leven zeker is, en zelfs daar twijfel ik aan.
Dat zijn de enige woorden die mijn scherpe analyse over de man ontkrachten Je kunt het nooit zeker weten.

Ik vind echter mensen die nog steeds als makke schaapjes achter deze slappe drol aanlopen net zo lachwekkend als de tepelstunt van zijn zus

Iwan1976maandag 16 februari 2004 @ 20:19
Michael Jackson Is NOT Bankrupt
Monday, February 16, 2004
FOX's Roger Friedman slates rumours

According to FOX's Roger Friedman, information that was in a New York Times article by Sharon Waxman (which was then circulated across the world) about Michael Jackson's finances is "completely wrong".

Rumours have spread globally that Michael is facing bankruptcy and is in serious debt, however this has been denied by Michael's business manager Charles Koppleman, and Friedman also disagrees.

"Let's get a few things straight so that Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight and other outlets understand (Michael's) financial picture", said Friedman, "Originally, in 1999, there was a $200 million Bank of America loan. Sony guaranteed that against Jackson's 50 percent ownership with them in what is now known as Sony/ATV Music Publishing but called, the Beatles catalogue."

Friedman continues, "thanks to (his business advisors), another $150 million was added on last year. This money was used to pay all of Jackson's outstanding debts, including court judgments."

Apparently tomorrow, a huge sum of that loan will be paid back as planned, and according to Friedman, Michael "can rest easy". Michael's business advisors are said to have a plan to pay the money, "I've heard the plan. It's a good one", Friedman said.

It appears Michael's finances will be back to normal, as expected, very soon.

BRON: MJNI.COM

Mylenemaandag 16 februari 2004 @ 22:24
quote:
Op zaterdag 14 februari 2004 12:16 schreef TuuT het volgende:

[..]


Maar goed, daar gaat het hier helemaal niet om, maar waarom toch altijd die domme en vaak gemene opmerkingen van jou in die Jackson topics? Probeer je gewoon te provoceren of wat is het?


Ik zal het niet meer doen. Dat beloof ik bij deze .
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 16 februari 2004 @ 23:29
quote:
Op maandag 16 februari 2004 22:24 schreef schatje het volgende:
Ik zal het niet meer doen. Dat beloof ik bij deze .
Echt waar?

Dat verdient een eigen topic!

Ben benieuwd hoe lang je het volhoudt, want je hebt gewoon een hekel aan MJ.

Diorchaneldinsdag 17 februari 2004 @ 08:58

Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 17 februari 2004 @ 12:12
quote:
Op dinsdag 17 februari 2004 08:58 schreef Diorchanel het volgende:
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Die ligt dus gelukkig niet doodziek in het ziekenhuis.
Iwan1976woensdag 18 februari 2004 @ 19:29
Photos of Accuser's Family Contradict "Sick" Reports
Tuesday, February 17, 2004
British tabloid prints images

Over the weekend, a UK tabloid published photographs of the family at the center of the accusations against Michael Jackson. According to Fox News' Roger Friedman, the family was apparently under surveillance for several weeks and photographed surreptitiously.

"In fact, the pictures - marketed by Los Angeles freelance journalist and photo agent Alec Byrne for upwards of $300,000 - tell a markedly different story than the one told on every media outlet by the family's friend, Jamie Masada," wrote Friedman in his 17 February column. "Instead of a frail child clobbered by cancer and awaiting a kidney transplant, the boy is shown as quite robust. In one picture he's even shown standing with an automatic rifle at his side. In another, he's busy jumping a high fence and also chatting with friends."

Because of American laws regarding children and victims, domestic media outlets would have to block out the faces in order to run the pictures or the videos. European countries don't have the same regulations, making the pictures even more valuable there.

What isn't known yet, Friedman points out, is just how Judge Rodney Melville will greet this latest news in his case. Melville has instituted a fairly strict gag order among the case principles, extending all the way to Jay Jackson (the mother's boyfriend) and beyond. He may not be amused to see the London tabloid's spread.

BRON: MJNI.COM

Iwan1976woensdag 18 februari 2004 @ 19:31
Harry Belafonte Comes Out Swinging for Michael
Wednesday, February 18, 2004
Tells paper media was guilty of "false morality"

US calypso singer and children's rights champion Harry Belafonte today rallied in support of the King of Pop, telling the Daily Telegraph: "Michael Jackson is innocent until proven guilty by the court of law."

"I cannot charge my colleague on the basis of media reports and television programs," said Belafonte, who became the first African-American man to win an Emmy award for his 1959 television musical special, Tonight With Harry Belafonte.

Belafonte lashed out at the US media for having an "insatiable appetite" for Jackson, while ignoring the plight of children who suffered as a result of US invasion of Iraq.

"This is travesty of journalism. It is inappropriate for the media to start asking what ifs and what abouts ... (concerning Jackson). What about the children who suffered in Iraq?" he asked.

Belafonte further heaped praise on Jackson, saying: "No single individual has had influence in the world like Jackson."

He noted that the star was the writer of the song We Are the World, which was performed by 45 US artists to raise money for famine stricken people in Ethiopia in the 1980s.

Belafonte said the US media was guilty of "false morality", over exposing the alleged charges facing Michael, while "some US catholic priests" had sexually abused many children in the US. Asked to describe Michael's character, Belafonte answered: "A gifted singer.''

BRON: MJNI.COM

Iwan1976maandag 23 februari 2004 @ 06:24
Michael Jackson Denies Rehab Rumours
Saturday, February 21, 2004
King of Pop in Aspen with children

Rumours have been circulating within the media this week that Michael Jackson checked himself into a rehabilitation center in Aspen, Colorado - rumours that have been strongly denied by the King of Pop.

According to ET Online, (who had spoken with Michael Jackson's spokesperson) Michael's children told their dad "they wanted to play in the snow. So the superstar took the kids to the snow-packed mountains of Aspen for a few days of fun."

Michael's spokesperson also said that the rumours were started "deliberately and viciously" by someone. Michael himself had a reponse, "I am appalled. Let me state for the record that I have not checked myself into any rehabilitation center in Aspen, Colorado; I am here for a few days with my children. I am outraged by these constant rumors. My team and I are going to use our best efforts to find out who these people are, who are continually trying to bring me grief and shame, and we are going to stop it."



BRON: MJNI.COM

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Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 23 februari 2004 @ 12:24
In een interview met de vader van Gavin (die een zaak tegen de moeder heeft lopen omdat hij graag een omgangsregeling met zijn kinderen wil) en zijn advocaat zijn weer enkele belangrijke feiten over de familie van Gavin naar voren gekomen. Hun geloofwaardigheid komt steeds meer in het geding. Een korte opsomming van hetgeen gezegd is:

-Attorney says they just got out of a court hearing to try to resolve this custody issue, but the accuser's mother chose not to appear in court.

-Attorney says father will probably be called to testify as a witness by Geragos (Mike's lawyers)
Waarschijnlijk dus als getuige voor MJ, omdat de vader inzicht heeft in de twijfelachtige geschiedenis van deze familie.

-Attorney says the DA's office is interfering with the family law custody case.
Heel vreemde gang van zaken. Wat hebben de aanklagers van MJ te maken met de zaak van de vader en moeder?

-Says mother was in mental facility in 1998 and he's hearing from his sources about the mother being RECENTLY institutionalized as well . Attorney says his sources are people close to the mother
De moeder dus alweer opgenomen in een psychiatrische inrichting? hmm..

-Atty's daughter witnessed mother exhibiting bipolar behavior at one time

-Father shuts the interviewer down cold. When asked to respond to Dimond's claims saying pedophiles often seek out children with families in turmoil, the father says that's NOT the case with his family. He says they've known Jackson for a long time before their separation and divorce.

-Atty says his sources say the ex-wife permitted the London Sun to take pictures of her son. Says the mother may have received as much as $200,000 for those pictures. Says that's one of the qusetions he will be asking her in a deposition.
Als dit waar blijkt te zijn kan de claim dat de familie alleen maar op gerechtigheid (en niet op geld) uit is, dus ook de deur uit.

Wat stinkt er toch zo?
Iwan1976woensdag 25 februari 2004 @ 09:55
Brett Ratner Had Doubts Over Accuser's Mother
Tuesday, February 24, 2004
Chris Tucker To Play Major Role In The Case?

"I always had a weird feeling that the mother would set Michael up," were the words of Brett Ratner, according to FOX's Roger Friedman.

Director of the Rush Hour movies and Red Dragon (also a good friend of Michael's) Ratner told Friedman, "I always liked the father. But the mother was an opportunist".

Ratner described how the Accuser was allowed to visit the set of Rush Hour 2, however he didn't always show gratitude, "[The boy] would sit in my director's chair. When I told him to get up, he'd tell me to go to hell." Ratner said, "He used to tell me, 'Brett, I don't like the last shot' while he was watching us make the movie. He's telling me how to make my movie! He's more street smart than I was at that age. If someone tried to fondle him, he'd punch them in the face. He's an adult. I think the jury will see that."

Friedman also portrayed a picture of neglect from the mother, "a picture is coming clearer of a mother who often deposited her children with anyone who'd take them - grandparents, friends, acquaintances - so she could spend time with her boyfriend. The mother is also said to have been inattentive during her son's bout with cancer."

Two people who have been said to have looked after the Accuser, as well as his brother and sister, were star of the Rush Hour movies (and another good friend of Michael's) Chris Tucker and his girlfriend.

"What will come out in testimony, if there is ever a trial in this case, will be the story of how Tucker and his girlfriend/fiancé flew with the boy and his family from Miami back to California on Feb. 7, 2003, after the boy and his brother appeared on the Martin Bashir TV special, Living With Michael Jackson. Both Tucker and his fiancé will testify, I am told, about the family, in particular about a mother who often dumped her star struck kids with Tucker so she could be with her boyfriend", Friedman stated.


Brett Ratner

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Iwan1976woensdag 25 februari 2004 @ 10:21
Another Day, Another Money "Woes" Rumour
Tuesday, February 24, 2004
New York Daily News also making claims

The New York Daily News' Rush & Malloy wrote in their 24 February column that Michael Jackson is "quietly soliciting bids" for his Mijac Music publishing company, listening to offers from record companies and private investors.

"The vultures are circling," the News quotes a source. Speculation is that Michael may offer shares in future royalties - just as David Bowie did when he floated "Bowie Bonds" in 1998.

All of this however has been denied by Michael's financial advisor Charles Koppelman, who also reiterated that the King of Pop is far from bankrupt. "Michael has assets that far exceed his liabilities," Koppelman told the News. "There's no frenzy. It's business as usual."

The Mijac catalogue features dancefloor scorchers such as Beat It, Wanna Be Startin' Somethin and Bad, as well as songs by other artists. One recent report, according to the News estimated its value at between $75 million and $90 million, but another source told the paper that they believed it could be worth as much as $140 million.

Koppelman also told the News that the King of Pop was also not considering selling his stake in ATV Music Publishing, the treasure chest of Beatles songs.

Still, he didn't rule out an announcement of big news concerning Michael's finances. "Stay tuned," he told the paper.



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Iwan1976woensdag 25 februari 2004 @ 10:25
Michael Jackson Removed From Copyright Lawsuit
Tuesday, February 24, 2004
King of Pop no longer defendant

The Indy Star reported today (24 February) that a federal judge has ruled that Michael Jackson had no involvement in the release of Pre-History: The Lost Steeltown Recordings, a 1996 compilation of early Jackson 5 songs.

As a result, the paper reports, the King of Pop will be deleted as a defendant when a civil case filed by Gary-based musicians and their producer goes to trial next month.

Members of the Ripples and Waves, an R&B group founded in the late 1960s, accused Michael of misrepresenting their work as his own on Pre-History.

In granting Michael's motion for pretrial judgment, U.S. District Court Judge Philip Simon noted that two songs on the album, Let Me Carry Your School Books and I Never Had a Girl, were written and recorded by Ripples and Waves.

The new judgment clears Michael of any liability. It applies specifically to producer Gordon Keith, the only plaintiff who failed to reach an earlier out-of-court settlement with the King of Pop.

"Jackson has testified that he had no involvement in the production or release of the album, that he did not select or approve of the songs on the album (and) that he did not receive any royalties from the album," Simon wrote in his ruling.

According to Nielsen SoundScan, Pre-History has sold 6,000 copies in the US.



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Ripleydonderdag 26 februari 2004 @ 10:42
quote:
FAMILY MATTERS: Michael Jackson and Debbie Rowe hiring a retired judge to handle an unspecified family law matter that is believed to concern custody arrangements for the couple's two children.
Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 26 februari 2004 @ 14:53
Former Jackson Videographer: Accuser's Family Declared Pop Star's Innocence
ABCNEWS.com
Feb. 26— Videographer Christian Robinson says he spent two years recording Michael Jackson and those who made it into the pop star's inner circle. Now Robinson is finally talking about what he saw during those years and about a tape that could rock the case against Jackson.


Christian Robinson says Michael Jackson's accuser, and his family, said the pop star did nothing wrong in an interview last year.
ABCNEWS.com

Robinson says he taped his own interview with Jackson's accuser and his family soon after Martin Bashir's documentary Living With Michael Jackson aired in Feb. 2003.
The 24-year-old videographer says he asked them whether there had ever been any inappropriate sexual behavior between the pop star and the young boy.

"Yeah. I asked. And they answered, and they were very up front and they, of course, said absolutely not," said Robinson on ABCNEWS' Good Morning America. "All of them, every single one," he said.

Robinson claims the alleged victim, his brother, his sister and his mother all said Jackson did nothing wrong.

"And just to clarify that even a little bit more, during this interview I told them to speak truthfully probably more than 30 times. I kept on reminding them, I'm like I want you guys to tell the truth. You know, I know how passionate you guys are about this. I just want, I want you guys to tell your story. And they told it," Robinson said.


Meanwhile, some of the individuals closest to the case reportedly said the boy's family didn't know about the alleged abused when Robinson's interview was conducted. They said the boy's mother didn't know anything about claims of abuse until months after the interview was recorded.

Robinson said he felt he was doing the right thing when he shot the interview for Jackson after the Bashir documentary aired.

"In my mind, you know, I was doing an interview to show the accurate side of Michael Jackson," Robinson.

The former Jackson employee says his hour and a half interview with the boy and his family convinced him that Jackson is innocent.

"Yeah. I can't think of anything else. They were so passionate about it," Robinson said. "They were resolute in their answers. You know, I'd ask them one thing and it's almost like they were getting mad at me, 'why are you asking us this, this is Michael is innocent,'" Robinson said. The videographer says he doesn't believe the family was coached to give him answers or that they felt scared or intimidated.

"I will tell you this, the family was not coached. The family was incredibly passionate, not just the accuser and his family, but the other two siblings. There were tears, they were holding hands, they were talking about Jesus and God and Michael as the ultimate father figure," Meanwhile, Robinson says he doesn't know if the tape still exists. If the tape does exist, it's likely now been subpoenaed by the Santa Barbara District Attorney's Office.

Neverland Sleepovers

Robinson says he also may have questioned the boy and his brother about whether or not he slept in Jackson's bed.

"Yes, I think I did … I guess they both slept in the bed, and Michael slept on the floor," Robinson said.

The videographers say he recalls that the younger boy elaborated on the sleeping arrangements, saying they watched movies and played games before they and Jackson would fall asleep.

"You know, they, the families, were very close at this point. You know? So I saw nothing wrong with it," Robinson said.

The videographer says the boy, who had been suffering with cancer, had gained weight improved his health during his time with Jackson. He says family told him that they credited Jackson with helping to save the boy's life.

"He'd felt, they all felt like a miracle had taken place," Robinson said.

The videographer said he had many opportunities to observe intimate family moments between Jackson and his own children.

"They operate much like any other family. People look at the kids and think they must be so screwed up, having those things [scarves] on their faces. But when you're in a room with they and they take their things off and they're playing with all the other kids and running around tipping things over and they're just like any other kids," Robinson said.

Ian Buckley, a still photographer was also employed by Jackson, said he and Robinson were with Jackson in Las Vegas the day before the pop star discovered his Neverland Ranch had been raided by authorities.

Buckley said he and Robinson received instructions to "get shots of the fans" that day. They say it was the last day they had contact with Jackson.

Robinson says he believes the Nation of Islam had a hand in pushing him out of Jackson's inner circle. Robinson said he was upset when he saw a new videographer recording the pop star's every move after his arraignment last month.

"That should have been me, yeah," Robinson said.

The videographer says he believes the Nation of Islam has isolated Jackson over the last few months.

"Absolutely … I think it's hopefully, it's the closes thing to a jail he'll ever see," Robinson said. "Vulnerable people end up in some strange situations."

Jackson was charged in December with seven counts of lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 and two counts of giving the child an "intoxicating agent," reportedly wine, between Feb. 7 and March 10, 2003.

Jackson has pleaded not guilty to all the charges.


Dus TIJDENS het zogenaamde misbruik spreekt de HELE familie zich ontzettend lovend uit over Jackson.
Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 26 februari 2004 @ 14:55
Michael Jackson is in Aspen




Copycatdonderdag 26 februari 2004 @ 15:14
Als je had gezegd dat het Bin Laden was, had ik het ook geloofd. Wat een vermomming!
En het jongetje bij hem is het volgende slachtoffer/ claimer?
TheGeneraldonderdag 26 februari 2004 @ 21:16
Het ziet er misschien niet uit, maar is toch nodig...
Als hij gewoon over straat loopt komt IEDEREEN op hem af.. Dan kan ie niet meer normaal lopen..
Cosma-Shivavrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 03:22
quote:
Op donderdag 26 februari 2004 14:55 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Michael Jackson is in Aspen
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Jongen op de foto is geen fan die MJ aanklampt oid.
Het is Omar Bhatti, een vriend van MJ sinds zijn 12e, hierbij een foto van de 2 uit 1996 plus bijbehorende tekst:


VENNER: Michael Jackson oppdaget 12-årige Omar Bhatti i Tunisia i 1996 og dro med gutten og hans familie på en drømmeuke.

Tegenwoordig ziet Omar er zonder muts zo uit:



(bron Courttv)
Copycatvrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 10:08
quote:
Film Jackson 'beste programma van 2003'
AMSTERDAM - De spraakmakende documentaire die de Brit Martin Bashir maakte over Michael Jackson is door de Britse Royal Television Society uitgeroepen tot beste televisieprogramma van 2003.

Jackson zegt in de film, waarin hij uitgebreid door Bashir wordt geïnterviewd, onder andere dat hij kinderen in zijn bed laat slapen. De Royal Television Society noemt de in februari vorig jaar in tal van landen uitgezonden documentaire, Living with Michael Jackson geheten, meeslepend en onthullend.

Jackson was woedend over de film, waarin Bashir in de voice-over zegt dat hij zich zorgen maakt over de manier waarop Jackson met zijn drie kinderen omgaat. Volgens Jackson had Bashir zijn vertrouwen geschonden.
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Ripleyvrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 11:05
quote:
Op donderdag 26 februari 2004 21:16 schreef TheGeneral het volgende:
Het ziet er misschien niet uit, maar is toch nodig...
Als hij gewoon over straat loopt komt IEDEREEN op hem af.. Dan kan ie niet meer normaal lopen..
Nee, en dit is opvallend
Mylenevrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 12:33
quote:
Op donderdag 26 februari 2004 14:55 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Michael Jackson is in Aspen
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Nee, dan wordt ie echt minder gefotografeerd .
TheGeneralvrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 15:13
Ik moet zeggen, ik had hem waarschijnlijk niet herkend als ie er zo bij zou lopen..
muizekindvrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 15:36
dus...
Ripleyvrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 15:41
quote:
Op vrijdag 27 februari 2004 15:13 schreef TheGeneral het volgende:
Ik moet zeggen, ik had hem waarschijnlijk niet herkend als ie er zo bij zou lopen..
Nee, maar ik had hem waarschijnlijk wel aaangehouden als ie zo mijn winkel in wilde oid.
Copycatvrijdag 27 februari 2004 @ 15:41
quote:
Op vrijdag 27 februari 2004 15:36 schreef muizekind het volgende:
dus...
Moet jij niet op moordonderzoek uit?
Brave_Sir_Robinzaterdag 28 februari 2004 @ 18:53
quote:
Op vrijdag 27 februari 2004 15:41 schreef Ripley het volgende:

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Nee, maar ik had hem waarschijnlijk wel aaangehouden als ie zo mijn winkel in wilde oid.
Jij hebt er gevoel voor, want dat is dus precies wat er nu gebeurt is

Jackson Pulled Over While Wearing Mask

By Associated Press

February 27, 2004, 4:15 PM EST


GLENWOOD SPRINGS, Colo. -- Michael Jackson was pulled over by police and asked to identify himself after shopping at a Wal-Mart while wearing a ski mask.

An employee called police Tuesday, police Lt. Bill Kimminau said. The employee gave a description of the vehicle and Jackson was stopped a short time later.

Authorities asked Jackson to identify himself, which he did by removing his mask.

"There were no problems, and that was it," Kimminau said.

Jackson spokeswoman Raymone Bain said the incident was a trifle.

"The police car pulled to the side and just asked that he show his face, and he did, and that was it," Bain said. "There was no altercation or any kind of encounter."

The singer is known to wear disguises when in public.

Jackson is staying at a 56-acre ranch in Old Snowmass while vacationing with his children. He has been keeping a relatively low profile, but has been spotted at several shops in nearby Aspen.

He is facing child molestation charges in California.

His visit was announced in a press release Bain issued Feb. 20 to address rumors the 45-year-old singer had checked himself into a drug rehabilitation facility.

"Michael's children indicated to him a few days ago that they'd like to see and play in the snow," Bain said. "Mr. Jackson was enjoying his getaway until ... someone deliberately and viciously began reaching out to media organizations with this claim."

Bain also released a statement from Jackson that said: "I am appalled. Let me state for the record that I have not checked myself into any rehabilitation center in Aspen, Colorado; I am here for a few days with my children. I am outraged by these constant rumors."
Iwan1976maandag 1 maart 2004 @ 22:40


MJJSource.com Launches
Monday, March 01, 2004
Contains new message from the King of Pop

MJJSource.com, the new official website for news concerning Michael Jackson has launched.

The homepage contains a message from the King of Pop himself:

"To My Fans, Friends and Media:

Welcome to MJJSource.com, the official source for news and information regarding me and my projects. I am hoping that you will enjoy it as much as I have enjoyed creating it. Thank you to the creators of this site for your hard work and efforts in helping to make this website a reality. For revolutionary video quality, the site will feature a new video compression technology... Tru Def.

I am very excited about using MJJSource.com as a way to communicate with both my fans around the world, and the media.

The theme of this web site is called, "A New Beginning." I have become disturbed and troubled as a result of people speaking on my behalf whom I do not know. For months, I have listened to reports that are inaccurate because they have been based on hearsay, and not fact. I have also listened, with amazement, to people who have misrepresented their relationships with me. I will use this site as one of the mediums for speaking out on my own behalf. In the coming weeks, you will find exclusive news, interviews and never before seen photos, right here on MJJSource.com.

To my wonderful fans, thank you so much for your letters, thoughts, love and prayers. I love you more than you'll ever know. Thanks to all of you for your continued support!

Sincerely,

Michael Jackson"



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Copycatmaandag 1 maart 2004 @ 22:51
www.MJJSource.com]www.MJJSource.com Launches
Ben volgens mij heel blij dat ik geen geluid aan heb...
Agressieve intro die ik niet kon skippen. Werd er bijna bang van...
Ga even rondneuzen .
Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 4 maart 2004 @ 21:35
Is the Michael Jackson molestation case a shakedown?
Attorney from shoplifting case 6-years-ago says family is trying to scam King of Pop for money

New questions are emerging about the family of the boy accusing Michael Jackson of molestation. Are they money hungry? NBC News has obtained documents that critics say raise some serious red flags. NBC news correspondent Mike Taibbi reports.

It was a simple case of alleged shoplifting at a J.C. Penny's store, followed by a brief scuffle, in August of 1998 except that it involved the family of the boy who 5 years later would accuse pop star Michael Jackson of molesting him.

In this case, though the shoplifting charges were dropped, the boy, his brother and mother accused security guards of viciously beating them without provocation.

“It became readily apparent that this was an incident, in my opinion, a scam, to extract money from J.C. Penny," says attorney Tom Griffin.

Griffin represented Penny's, which ultimately paid a $137,500 settlement to the family days before the scheduled trial in 2001. The family had sued for $3 million.

"If it was a cooked-up scam… why pay anything? The worst case scenario is that a jury's going to believe what she said and that they're going to tee off on you," says Griffin.

The public record of the case only briefly describes the stories told by the opposing sides. J.C. Penny's claims that the boy was sent out of the store by his father with an armful of shoplifted clothes and that the whole family was quickly detained with the mother starting that brief scuffle.

The family claims that both boys were modeling clothes for J.C. Penny's, not stealing them and that they'd all been brutally beaten by store security guards for no reason.

But NBC news has obtained more than 100 pages of documents not in the public record, including defense deposition excerpts and psychiatric reports and the documents give a far more detailed version of J.C. Penny's case.

The psychiatrist hired by Penny's found the mother to be schizophrenic, delusional and severely depressed, "sad over being a nobody," she'd said, "a sad housewife getting fat."

Her own therapist found her to be anxious and depressed after the incident, but not delusional.

Penny's says that more than 2 years after the incident the mother added on the charge that one security guard had also sexually fondled her breasts and pelvic area for up to 7 minutes.

The Penny's psychiatrist says she "rehearsed" her two sons to back up her "farfetched" story -- in what "sounded like scripted copies of (her) testimony" -- that they and she had all suffered broken bones, in addition to her sexual assault. Penny's insists there was no evidence to back up any of the allegations.

Griffin says, "She just came up with this fairy tale, not a fairy tale, a horror story, and ran with it."

Because of the gag order in the Michael Jackson molestation case none of the principals in that case would comment for this story. Two people who remain close to the family did tell NBC News they still absolutely believe the family's story of what happened at Neverland.

Some might wonder what a 6-year-old shoplifting case has to do with the molestation charges against Michael Jackson: Griffin, J.C. Penny's lawyer, says that based on his experience with the family he can guess about a possible connection.

“They're going for a home run this time, this is a shakedown, shakedown, part 2."
Ripleyvrijdag 5 maart 2004 @ 15:49
quote:
'Wacko Jacko' zoekt hulp bij voodoo-dokter
AMSTERDAM - Michael Jackson (45) zou onder behandeling staan van een voodoo-dokter. The King of Pop zou de strijd aan hebben gebonden met zijn verslavingen aan alcohol en drugs (vooral medicijnen).




De Zuid-Amerikaanse 'arts' Alfredo Bowman, die beweert kanker te kunnen genezen, is in Aspen neergestreken om de popster te behandelen. Volgens een bron slikt Wacko Jacko een enorme hoeveelheid pijnstillers en is Bowman gevraagd de pijnen weg te nemen. "Dan heeft Michael geen pillen meer nodig."

Jackson en zijn kinderen wonen sinds begin februari in Aspen. Er zijn zeven aanklachten tegen hem gericht. Jackson zou ontuchtige handelingen hebben gepleegd met minderjarigen.
matthijstvrijdag 5 maart 2004 @ 17:11
JC Penny verhaal is al ouuuuuud. Maar ja, dat willen ze in de media niet horen. Zieke hoeren zijn het: in de jaren 80 is Jackson goed voor de verkoopcijfertjes en dus behandelen ze hem als God. In 2004 is het leuker om het af te kankeren en zwart te maken, dus doen ze dat....

Heerlijk....
Mensen die Jackson zo lopen af te zeiken en aan te vallen moeten eens een keer nadenken: voorlopig ben je onschuldig tot het tegendeel is bewezen. Anders kunnen we iedereen wel gaan oppakken en beschuldigen...
Als het ieder ander mens was geweest was er een complete rel losgebroken en hadden nieuwszenders in de rij gestaan om het JC Penny oplichtschandaal als eerste te brengen, maar met Jackson is het altijd lucratiever om het onbewezen pedo verhaal te verkopen...
Iwan1976zaterdag 6 maart 2004 @ 10:10
quote:
Op vrijdag 5 maart 2004 17:11 schreef matthijst het volgende:
In 2004 is het leuker om het af te kankeren en zwart te maken, dus doen ze dat....
Je hebt helemaal gelijk, maar tijden veranderen gelukkig... niet van de ene op de andere dag... maar in een golfbeweging.
Iwan1976zondag 7 maart 2004 @ 18:00
Raymone Bain Speaks Out!
Sunday, March 07, 2004
Spokesperson for the King of Pop addresses various rumours

On Friday, 5th of March, Michael Jackson's spokesperson, Raymone Bain, appeared on no less than three different television shows to address rumours that have been circulating globally about the King of Pop.

Her first appearance was on ABC's Good Morning America, where she sat down to be interviewed by Robin Roberts. Within the interview, Raymone made sure a few home truths were known, "Michael Jackson is doing well, he's in control, he's in control of his organisation, he is not being dictated to, I speak to him several times a day, he is absolutely hands on, he has a great team, there is no dissention and Michael Jackson is doing just fine."

Raymone's second visit was to NBC's the Today Show. Katie Couric was the one asking the questions on this occasion, and Raymone hinted that Michael Jackson will surprise people in the future by being very pro-active.

The third and final appearance of the day belonged to Access Hollywood. Raymone sat down with Billy Bush and described how the world's image of the King of Pop is not an accurate one, "I think that Michael's emotional state has been quite exaggerated over the past and I'm frankly saying, honestly, I haven't seen that Michael Jackson."

To view transcripts of the interviews, click on the relevant links below.

Good Morning America with Robin Roberts
Today Show with Katie Couric
Access Hollywood with Billy Bush



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Iwan1976zondag 7 maart 2004 @ 18:03
Mark Geragos Phones Geraldo Show
Sunday, March 07, 2004
King of Pop's Attorney also addresses rumours

On Saturday, 6th March, Mark Geragos (Attorney for Michael Jackson) appeared on FOX's At Large With Geraldo, and spoke live via telephone to host, Geraldo Rivera.

As previously reported on February 9th (click here to view), Rivera received a phone call from the King of Pop through his spokesperson Raymone Bain, and Rivera later discussed that conversation on his show.

Geragos wanted to set the record straight on several rumours that have been circulating in recent weeks with Rivera, including rumours of detoxification, family court orders and the Nation of Islam.

The addressing of the rumours and speculation certainly seemed to convince Rivera, who ended the segment stating "And I say that publicly, I think he's (Michael) going to be acquitted".

To view the transcript between Mark Geragos and Geraldo Rivera, click here.



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Iwan1976zondag 7 maart 2004 @ 18:13
Janet Jackson Talks About Courthouse Anger
Sunday, March 07, 2004
Also talks about Family in 'Ebony'

Within April's issue of Ebony, lies an interview with Michael's youngest sister, Janet.

A star in her own right, she talks about her new album Damita Jo, her love life, the media and her infamous Super Bowl performance.

Family was also a subject of the interview. Janet described how angry she, her mother and Michael were outside of the courthouse on January 16th for Michael's arraignment after seeing Police mistreat fans, "My brother and mother saw the cops with dogs take a girl by her hair and yank her down to the ground. At the same time I saw a cop take a girl and shove her right in the throat, and she fell back. We put our heads out the windows and yelled at the cops. But the TV cameras didn't show what the cops were doing. And the kids weren't doing anything wrong. They were just excited. You know where my head went immediately? Back to the civil rights protests when they had the dogs. For a split second my head went back to all that footage I've seen. People were getting pushed and yanked, but the media didn't show that side of it. So, that was a little bit of my anger."

When responding to a question asking whether or not she thinks her family gets picked on because they are Jacksons, Janet said, "Yeah. I was with my brother Mike and my brother Randy just yesterday morning. And I was thinking about that. I think a lot of times that it very well may be because of who we are. It's a lot harder. A lot of times I think it's because of who the family is," she continues, then hesitates, pondering her words. "We're very strong, as a people period. And I have a very strong family. We can handle it. What's so funny is that this is my first time of truly having to deal with something like this, which I've never experienced before. My brothers and sisters have though. But I'm okay."



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Janenadonderdag 11 maart 2004 @ 14:44
Even geplukt van het mjj-forum en inderdaad erg typerend...

Letter to Michael Jackson From an Ignorant Public

Dear Michael:

I feel it's time to raise certain issues that I have with you, concerning the way you live your life. Although you have never met me, I know who you are - and therefore I feel that you owe me, Complete Stranger, an explanation. You're a public figure, and it's people like me who got you where you are, man - I mean, come on, I bought Thriller. Doesn't that mean that technically, I made you?
First of all, there's your appearance. I know that common decency teaches us that we should focus on the inside of a person; what they say, think and feel, still - I just can't get past your appearance! Even though I live as a free human being, and need never justify why I look the way I do to anyone, I feel that you do. Sure, I heard that you're a humanitarian; that you're concerned with many important world issues, and that you're actually a very nice person - but I also heard you bought the elephant man's bones - and my small mind finds that much more interesting. About those allegations, I think I remember vaguely, someone reporting long ago that you have never been convicted of any offense, and that you were innocent and never proven guilty. It was reported as a fact, but I guess that because it was the truth, it didn't really hold my interest at the time. So I suppose that would mean that there are two sides to every story...however - I don't have time to read both sides, so I'm just going to believe the tabloids. Fewer big words.
I have to be honest with you, I've never achieved anything great in my life, or influenced other people's lives, or made any kind of impact on a worldly scale, but I understand that you have. So I can't really relate to you, anyway. I think that's why the reality that you might also be a human being, with feelings, is lost on me. Finally, I wanted you to know why I feel compelled to judge your life - it's because really, I don't have one of my own.

Sincerely,

John Q. Public

GM 2003
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 12 maart 2004 @ 00:29
Het was de bedoeling in deze zaak dat er op 2 april een datum werd geprikt voor een 'preliminary hearing' zoals dat heet. Tijdens deze hearing zouden de aanklager en de verdediging bij elkaar gaan zitten en bewijs overhandigen waarna de rechter kan besluiten of er genoeg bewijs is om de daadwerkelijke rechtszaak te laten beginnen.

Nu heeft de aanklager D.A. Tom Sneddon echter de voorbereidingen getroffen voor een 'Grand Jury'. Dat is een andere manier om het geheel tot een rechtszaak te laten komen, alleen dan zonder dat de verdediging hierbij mag zijn. Hij kan zelf zijn verhaaltje voor een jury neerleggen zonder dat de verdediging weet wat er aan de hand is. Is Sneddon een beetje bang voor de verdediging omdat hij zo'n zwakke zaak heeft?

Grand jury seen as unusual at this stage in Jackson case
3/11/04
By DAWN HOBBS

NEWS-PRESS STAFF WRITER

Convening a grand jury at this stage in the child molestation case against Michael Jackson is an unexpected move and a tricky one for prosecutors, legal experts said Wednesday. Because a grand jury proceeding shields witnesses from the questions of defense attorneys, it is often seen to favor the prosecution. But there are potential pitfalls for Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon, experts said...

"That's where the concern arises -- when you are running a grand jury at the same time you are preparing for trial," said Mr. Uelman, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law.

He cautioned that it can be an abuse of the grand jury process, which is meant to determine whether there is even enough evidence to bring a case. He said he would expect the defense in the Jackson case to file a motion asking that the court supervise the way the grand jury is used to ensure that it is kept separate from the pending case...

He said it was "unheard of" for a district attorney to file criminal charges and then convene a grand jury. "If he uncovered some other crimes he wants to charge, he should just dismiss the pending charges and then go to trial on a grand jury indictment that includes the pending charges," Mr. Uelman said...

Laurie Levenson, professor at the Loyola School of Law, said: "It could mean he just wants to handle everything in secret and avoid a preliminary hearing, or it could mean he doesn't have much of a case and doesn't want to proceed, but is letting the grand jury take the political heat when they don't indict..."

If the grand jury does not hand down an indictment, Mr. Sneddon could still proceed to a preliminary hearing. But Ms. Levenson wouldn't advise it. "The standard is so low for a grand jury that if you can't convince them to indict, you have to think long and hard before you pursue the case." ...
Brave_Sir_Robinzaterdag 13 maart 2004 @ 13:00
Jacko Security Guard: Singer Is Innocent

Michael Jackson's private security guard and assistant, the one who traveled with him exclusively during the time Jackson knew his current accuser and family, says the singer will be proven innocent of all charges.

Yesterday I talked to Mike LaPerruque, a retired sergeant in the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department who remains on reserve after a 22-year active career.

LaPerruque says he worked for Jackson from August 2001 until June 2003, was with him in New York for the 30th anniversary solo concerts, Jackson's escape from New York following September 11, and on several occasions met the boy who's accusing Jackson of child molestation, as well as the boy's mother and siblings.

If he's called before a jury, LaPerruque — who signed a confidentiality agreement with Jackson during his employment — will testify that the singer can only be innocent of all charges.

"I was with him 24/7," LaPerruque was able to tell me. "I had a key to his room at all times, and I was never told not to use it."

Did he ever walk into Michael Jackson's bedroom and see him in bed with a child other than one of his own?

"No! Of course not," said LaPerruque.

He called the mother of Jackson's 13-year-old accuser "the type of woman who knew how to manipulate people."

When LaPerruque heard the newsbreak last November 17 about the Neverland raid and Jackson's latest problems, he says his first thought was, "Poor guy. He can't catch a break. He had a new album coming out and a lot of stuff happening."


LaPerruque said his immediate thought was that "it was a shakedown."

LaPerruque told me that he's been offered all kinds of things in exchange for an interview, even a trip to Paris. His agreement with Jackson prohibits him from talking about certain aspects of his employment, but he is not completely biased in favor of Jackson. He told me one story about what happened in the Berlin hotel the day after the baby-dangling incident.

"There were a bunch of friends there, and they said to give a real F.U. to the press and to these lawyers who were saying there should be an investigation, they would do something funny," he explained. "They would buy a life-sized baby doll from a toy store, cover its head with a blanket, and then throw it over the side. Michael thought they were kidding around, and so he said, 'Great idea.'"

Soon after, LaPerruque spotted one of Jackson's pals returning from a toy store with the doll.

"I had to stop it from happening," he said. "I physically took it away from the guy. I said, 'It's not funny, and you don't know what's happening in the States.'"

He added: "I got into a little hot water on that one. But Michael does things impulsively."

LaPerruque left Jackson's employ last June, he said, because of the crazy schedule.

"They would call me and say 'Michael's going to Las Vegas, he's already left for the airport, you have an hour to meet him,'" LaPerruque explained.

He said that he spent 10 weeks with Jackson in Las Vegas, during the whole Martin Bashir shoot, and was with him in Germany and in Florida. On the road, LaPerruque would act as Jackson's traveling secretary, making schedules and slipping them under his door for the morning.

"Michael Jackson is one of the most down-to-earth guys I've met in my life," LaPerruque said.

He told me a story about hanging out with Jackson in a Chevy Astro van, eating chicken wings from Jerry's Deli on Ventura Boulevard, talking about Egyptian history.

Under oath he will testify that he's had experience with child molesters in his 22 years as a cop, and that Jackson does not fit the profile. He said he has two kids, and he would feel comfortable with either one of them — a boy and a girl — spending time with Jackson.

Clearly, LaPerruque is a fan. But he is also a potential nightmare for Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon, who will be put in the position of cross-examining a member of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and questioning his veracity.

For example, LaPerruque said, "[Jackson] would never offer a child liquor." He said the "Jesus Juice" that Jackson jokes about — liquor hidden in soda cans — is designed so the child-friendly singer is not photographed doing something adult, like holding a drink. He is not the first member of Jackson's entourage to use this explanation with me.

So we'll have to add Mike LaPerruque to the list of impressive defense witnesses for Michael Jackson, which already includes director Brett Ratner, actor Chris Tucker and a dozen or more eyewitnesses ready to take the stand.
Brave_Sir_Robinzaterdag 13 maart 2004 @ 16:04
Nu blijkt dat er in februari nog een TWEEDE onderzoek is geweest naar MJ's gedrag. En dit keer niet door de kinderbescherming, want dat onderzoek heeft Sneddon vlak nadat het uitkwam haastig als een slecht onderzoek bestempeld. Nee, dit keer door Sneddon's mannen zelf. En goh, ook de conclusie van dit onderzoek was dat er geen reden was om verdere actie te ondernemen, er was geen bewijs van een misdrijf.

Bekijk de video:
http://site.mjeol.com/mod(...)le.php?cid=17&lid=84
klik op het linkje: "Today Show: SBPD Investigated Abuse too/Accusing Fam's 2 different stories"

Deze zaak wordt met de dag belachelijker.
Iwan1976woensdag 17 maart 2004 @ 21:13
Lisa Marie Presley Clarifies Comments
Wednesday, March 17, 2004
Ex-wife to the King of Pop clears things up

In a recent interview with Australian television show Enough Rope, Lisa Marie Presley made comments regarding her marriage to Michael Jackson that have been "taken completely out of context", said the daughter of Elvis.

According to the Associated press, the King of Pop's ex-wife issued a statement clarifying her remarks. Within the recent Australian interview, Presley said she felt "powerless in a lot of ways, in terms of ... realizing that I was part of a machine, and seeing things going on that I couldn't do anything about," she said. "And don't ask me what sort of things, because I'm not going to answer. But just stuff."

Since the interview went public, global media have used Presley's words to insinuate inappropriate behaviour with children on Michael's part, and have created speculation through many different outlets that Presley saw such behaviour within their two-year marriage from 1994-96.

However, in her statement issued today she said, "I was in no way referring to seeing something inappropriate with children, as I have stated publicly before. I never have ... Unfortunately, due to the recent media frenzy surrounding Michael Jackson, my comments during a recent TV interview in Australia regarding him were completely taken out of context and erroneously read into," she goes on, "In saying I saw things, I was specifically referring to things in that relationship with us that went on between us at the time as husband and wife," she said.



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dealahzvrijdag 19 maart 2004 @ 10:44
De media noemt alleen negatieve dingen en komt zogenaamd met "nieuwe" dingen die helemaal niet waar zijn of helemaal niet nieuw zijn.
Positieve dingen hoor je niet, dat verkoopt niet.
Er komt steeds meer positief nieuws naar buiten in de zaak, maar niemand weet dat!

Ik hoop dat ie snel weer een album uitbrengt en lekker gaat touren!
Mj is gewoon THE KING!
Iwan1976vrijdag 19 maart 2004 @ 22:47
Ben Brafman Responds To Gloria Allred
Friday, March 19, 2004
King of Pop's attorney addresses celebrity lawyer

On Wednesday 17th March, attorney Gloria Allred held a press conference in which Ben Brafman (Michael Jackson's attorney) called an act "of self promotion".

According to the Associated Press, Allred held the press conference to let the media (and the rest of the world) know that Los Angeles County officials had turned down her request for Michael Jackson's three children to be removed from his custody. However, she stated that she would bring the issue to a juvenile court.

Brafman could not address the current legal case concerning child abuse allegations, citing the gag order, however he did regard Allred's position when it comes to the King of Pop's children as "despicable". Allred has pledged to continue despite Brafman's comments, calling them "personal attacks".

Here is Benjamin Brafman's statement in full issued by Michael's spokeswoman Raymone Bain:

STATEMENT OF BENJAMIN BRAFMAN, ESQUIRE:

"The gag order imposed by Judge Melville prohibits me from speaking substantively about any issue relating to the criminal case involving Mr. Jackson.

"In response, however, to Gloria Allred's press conference, I note that she has absolutely nothing to do with this case, and it would serve the public well if she would stop injecting herself into matters which are none of her business; and, stop using Michael Jackson's fame as a vehicle through which to engage in acts of self promotion.

"Her position is irresponsible, and in my judgment, despicable."



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Iwan1976zondag 21 maart 2004 @ 09:31
"Look, if you go ahead with this civil lawsuit, your family will get money if they win."
Saturday, March 20, 2004
Psychologist's words to the Accuser

Yesterday, March 19th, NBC's Mike Taibbi shared breaking news with a report on the Today show.

Taibbi announced that NBC News had examined documents from the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department investigation of the case, and they had seen "major potential problems" that could face Michael Jackson's prosecutors.

One major development was how much the Accuser knew about the previous case in 1993. In a report from June 14th 2003, Dr. Katz, (the psychologist who spoke to the Accuser) was quoted by a Santa Barbara investigator as saying, "You know, you don't want Jackson to do these things to kids again, do you?" He says the (Accuser) answered, "Well (he) didn't stop him..." giving the rarely reported full name of the first Accuser. Katz answered, "I actually do know about that case. I worked on that one too."

Within the report it was also mentioned how the key players in this case, District Attorney Tom Sneddon, attorney Larry Feldman and psychologist Dr. Stan Katz, were all key players in the 1993 case. Taibbi mentioned that Michael's "defenders say the names common to both cases suggest an agenda, even a vendetta."

Another development was that despite previous statements from both Sneddon and Feldman claiming this case was not about money, Dr. Katz was quoted as saying last June, "Mr. Feldman actually referred these kids (the Accuser and his siblings) to me, because they had come to him in this lawsuit Feldman's going to file ... Whether the Mother's motive is to do it for money, I can't tell you... I mean, certainly they're kind of a poor family." This of course suggests that the family were planning on filing a civil lawsuit in the hope of getting money.

The most outstanding piece of news taken from NBC's report was a quote from Dr. Katz addressing the Accuser, "Look, if you go ahead with this civil lawsuit, your family will get money if they win."

To view the transcript of Mike Taibbi's report on NBC's the Today show, click here.



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Iwan1976zondag 21 maart 2004 @ 09:40
NBC's Today Show Report
Friday, March 19, 2004
Mike Taibbi has breaking news

Taibbi: As the case moves forward against Michael Jackson, for allegedly molesting the 12-year-old cancer patient, shown in this British documentary (shows clip) NBC News has learned of major potential problems facing prosecutors. Problems revealed in secret documents examined exclusively by NBC News from the Santa Barbara Sheriff's Department's investigation of the case.

ITEM: Did this investigation proceed by the normal roots?

The same players carrying this case forward, Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon, Los Angeles attorney Larry Feldman and Beverly Hills psychologist, Dr. Stan Katz, were the major players in the similar case from 1993, when another teenage boy accused Jackson of molesting him. Jackson denied it, but settled the case out of court, reportedly for millions, and because the boy refused to testify Sneddon could not go forward with the criminal prosecution.

Jackson's defenders say the names common to both cases suggest an agenda, even a vendetta, but the chance a jury might see it that way isn't the only hurdle facing prosecutors.

ITEM: How much did the current Accuser know about the earlier case against Jackson, and the huge financial settlement he paid out?

In a report on June 14th last year, Dr. Katz is quoting as saying to a Santa Barbara investigator that he told the Accuser, "You know, you don't want Jackson to do these things to kids again, do you?" He says the boy answered, "Well (he) didn't stop him..." giving the rarely reported full name of the first Accuser. Katz answered, "I actually do know about that case... I worked on that one too."

ITEM: Is money a motive?

Those connected with the Accuser's family have said it's not, that no one's talking about a civil lawsuit, not Sneddon...

(Cuts to video clip of Sneddon from Nov. 18th 2003)

Sneddon: There is no anticipation that there will be a civil case filed in this particular case.

(Ends clip)

Taibbi: And not family attorney Feldman, who won that big settlement back in the '93 case...

(Cuts to video clip of Feldman from Jan. 15th 2004)

Feldman: I don't know where they get this idea that this is about money, just simply isn't true.

(Ends clip)

Taibbi: But in the records from last June, Katz is quoted by the Santa Barbara investigator as saying, of the Accuser and his two siblings, "Mr. Feldman actually referred these kids to me, because they had come to him in this lawsuit Feldman's going to file ... Whether the Mother's motive is to do it for money, I can't tell you... I mean, certainly they're kind of a poor family."

And Katz is also quoted as telling the Accuser, "Look, if you go ahead with this civil lawsuit, your family will get money if they win."

Nowhere on the records we examined, do the family bring up the topic of money or a civil lawsuit; it's only Dr. Katz who broaches the subject.

But so what if the subject was discussed? So what if some of the key names are common to the present case and the 1993 case?

(Cuts to video clip of attorney Dana Cole)

Cole: That's a trite line, you know when they say it's not about the money, and it always is.

Taibbi: Attorney Dana Cole is a family law expert. He says that talk of a civil lawsuit is understandable and logical in cases of sex abuse against a child.

Cole: There is nothing wrong with it, if he in fact did suffer injuries as a result of true abuse.

Taibbi: But Cole said a jury would truly wonder about the talk of money, about the contradict pre-stories told by the Accuser and his family, about the Accuser's familiararity with the '93 case, and about the roles of the same key players in both cases.

Cole: At this point and time, I'd probably prefer to defend Michael Jackson than prosecute him.

Taibbi: You think the Prosecution is in that much trouble?

Cole: I do.

(Ends clip)

Taibbi: To be sure, Santa Barbara's investigators knew what we now know, were able to get a search warrant for Neverland last November and have now spent more than a year collecting evidence and witnesses in the current molestation case against Michael Jackson.

A gag order prevents the principles from commenting on the story, but attorney and long time Jackson critic Gloria Allred did.

(Cuts to video clip of Taibbi interviewing Allred)

Taibbi: Are you worried about this family, or the Accuser, in terms of whether they are telling the truth?

Allred: I don't think Mr. Sneddon would have filed the case if he didn't think that he had evidence to support a prosecution.

(Ends clip)

Taibbi: Prosecution sources have told NBC News the same thing, and some time in the next few weeks, some of that evidence and some of the witnesses against Jackson will be presented before a secret criminal grand jury.



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Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 21 maart 2004 @ 21:15
Allemaal goed nieuws Iwan

Ik kijk eigenlijk al een beetje uit naar de rechtszaak. Vraag me af in welke bochten Sneddon zich zal gaan wringen om hier ongeschonden uit te komen. Deze zaak is een lachertje.
Iwan1976maandag 22 maart 2004 @ 14:55
Attorney For Michael Jackson Releases Statement
Monday, March 22, 2004
Steve Cochran addresses issue of King of Pop's children

The following is a statement provided by Michael Jackson's spokesperson Raymone K. Bain or Adean King...

Michael Jackson's Personal Attorney, Steve Cochran, Releases the following statement regarding the decision of the Department of Child and Family Services:

"We appreciate the decision of the Department of Child and Family Services for its determination not to pursue any adverse proceeding concerning Mr. Jackson's children. That is the correct decision, because Mr. Jackson is a loving father who takes great care of his children.

"Mr. Jackson should not have been put through this, and we're glad it's over."



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Iwan1976woensdag 24 maart 2004 @ 14:06
Michael Jackson Sues For Memorabilia
Monday, March 24, 2003
King of Pop wants website closed down

Michael Jackson is suing Henry Vaccaro, the man who has recently appeared in global tabloid pages having sold a warehouse full of Jackson family possessions to a European buyer.

According to the Associated Press, the lawsuit was filed Monday 22nd March, and aims to retrieve the memorabilia for the King of Pop and his family as well as close down a website that Vaccaro launched with pay-per-view access to items included in the collection.



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Iwan1976woensdag 24 maart 2004 @ 14:10
Michael Jackson Not Expected At Next Hearing
Tuesday, March 23, 2004
King of Pop not to appear April 2nd

Michael Jackson will not be expected to make an appearance at the next scheduled court date in his trial according to abs-cbs News.

April 2nd is the date set for a procedural hearing, which will then set a date for the preliminary hearing. The trial date is not expected to be set until after an estimated 17 preliminary hearings in total.

Kevin McLin, a Jackson family spokesman stated, "He doesn't have to attend it, he won't attend it".



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Copycatwoensdag 24 maart 2004 @ 14:23
Wel allemaal heel eenzijdige berichtgeving, valt me op. Bijna alles is afkomstig van MJNI.com.
Geeft ook wel een beetje een vertekend beeld.
Het rode boekje van Mao is er niets bij...
Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 24 maart 2004 @ 19:11
Als je ander nieuws hebt mag je het natuurlijk posten.

MJNI en MJstar en MJJforum zijn MJ-sites die zo'n beetje al het nieuws rondom Jackson verzamelen waarbij er natuurlijk wel een beetje een schifting zal worden gemaakt om alle roddels eruit te houden.

En op het moment komt er vrij veel 'positief' nieuws rondom MJ naar voren en langzamerhand beginnen ook de grotere netwerken in de USA dat op te pikken. Het is niet alleen maar meer Jackson roddels naar voren brengen, maar men ziet in dat de feiten rondom deze hele zaak nogal twijfelachtig zijn.
Copycatwoensdag 24 maart 2004 @ 19:49

Wat meer over de rechtzaak over de persoonlijke bezittingen van MJ:
Bron: Ananova
quote:
Jacko tries to get possessions back
Michael Jackson is suing an American businessman who acquired a huge hoard of the embattled pop star's belongings including personal letters, drawings and costumes.
Jackson filed a lawsuit against Henry Vaccaro, who said he obtained the possessions after a long legal dispute with the Jackson family.
Mr Vaccaro insists that the valuable collection has already been sold to an unnamed European buyer, for an amount approaching £1 million.

Jackson's lawyers say Vaccaro has no right to own the star's personal items and that he wants them back. Vaccaro says the items have been sold.

Among the massive collection is one of Jackson's earliest stage costumes, from his days in the Jackson Five, with his name handwritten on the inside label. There is a medical contract for plastic surgery, supposedly performed on Janet Jackson, and even several sketches of noses. Among other drawings are two by Jackson - one entitled "Little Boy 1994" and one of Charlie Chaplin.

The lawsuit, filed in the Los Angeles District Court, represents the latest legal battle for Jackson.
He currently stands accused of sexually molesting a teenage cancer patient at his Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara, California.
The 45-year-old star has pleaded not guilty to the charges and has called the allegations a "big lie".
Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 30 maart 2004 @ 11:23
Prijs voor Michael Jackson wegens inzet voor kinderen

LOS ANGELES - De Amerikaanse zanger Michael Jackson krijgt donderdag in Washington een onderscheiding voor zijn inzet voor Afrikaanse kinderen. De prijs is hem toegekend door de Vereniging van Vrouwen van Afrikaanse Ambassadeurs.

De onderscheiding komt op het moment dat Jackson (45) is aangeklaagd voor seksueel misbruik van een twaalfjarige jongen. Door de financiële hulp van de popster was in Afrika de bouw en inrichting mogelijk van ziekenhuizen, weeshuizen, tehuizen en scholen, verklaarde zijn woordvoerder. Ook ondersteunde Jackson de vaccinatie van kinderen en stelde hij geld beschikbaar voor de strijd tegen aids en apartheid.

In 2000 bestempelde het Guinness Book Of Records de Amerikaanse zanger tot " gulste popster". Hij had toen al ruim 50 miljoen dollar aan humanitaire organisaties gegeven.
Peregrijndinsdag 30 maart 2004 @ 11:37
quote:
Op dinsdag 30 maart 2004 11:23 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Prijs voor Michael Jackson wegens inzet voor kinderen

LOS ANGELES - De Amerikaanse zanger Michael Jackson krijgt donderdag in Washington een onderscheiding voor zijn inzet voor Afrikaanse kinderen. De prijs is hem toegekend door de Vereniging van Vrouwen van Afrikaanse Ambassadeurs.

De onderscheiding komt op het moment dat Jackson (45) is aangeklaagd voor seksueel misbruik van een twaalfjarige jongen. Door de financiële hulp van de popster was in Afrika de bouw en inrichting mogelijk van ziekenhuizen, weeshuizen, tehuizen en scholen, verklaarde zijn woordvoerder. Ook ondersteunde Jackson de vaccinatie van kinderen en stelde hij geld beschikbaar voor de strijd tegen aids en apartheid.

In 2000 bestempelde het Guinness Book Of Records de Amerikaanse zanger tot " gulste popster". Hij had toen al ruim 50 miljoen dollar aan humanitaire organisaties gegeven.
Wroeging?



P.S. Al een baan?
Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 30 maart 2004 @ 11:47
wat denk je, ik zit op dinsdag kwart voor twaalf te fokken...

En jij?
Peregrijndinsdag 30 maart 2004 @ 11:52
quote:
Op dinsdag 30 maart 2004 11:47 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
wat denk je, ik zit op dinsdag kwart voor twaalf te fokken...

En jij?
Idem maar het geld stroomt binnen
Diorchanelwoensdag 31 maart 2004 @ 10:43
Michael Jackson visits Capitol Hill
No meeting with Congressional Black Caucus
Tuesday, March 30, 2004 Posted: 9:09 PM EST (0209 GMT)


Michael Jackson arrives at Rep. Chaka Fattah's office.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Embattled pop star Michael Jackson paid a high-profile visit to Capitol Hill on Tuesday, meeting with a congressman to promote the fight against AIDS in Africa.

Surrounded by a large entourage, Jackson flashed the peace sign before entering the office of Democratic Rep. Chaka Fattah of Pennsylvania in the Rayburn House Office Building.

In planning the Capitol Hill visit, Jackson's publicist requested a meeting for the singer with the Congressional Black Caucus but was turned down.

The caucus cited scheduling conflicts, but aides privately acknowledged that many members didn't want their picture taken with the star.

During the brief meeting with Fattah, a member of the caucus, Jackson read a statement touching on his humanitarian efforts in the battle against AIDS.

"I know that many of you will continue to raise awareness and will continue to fight for funding in Africa," Jackson read. "I want you to know I will do whatever I can to assist you in that fight."

After the meeting, Fattah said Jackson seemed happy, and he praised the singer's efforts in combating AIDS.

"We were happy to have a chance to spend some brief moments to talk to one of the leading celebrities in world that has used their celebrity status to help other people, particularly ... the millions of people on the continent of Africa who are suffering with the most devastating disease known to mankind," Fattah said.

When asked about the child molestation charges against the singer, Fattah said Jackson is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

"Until someone is proven to have done something wrong, to shun them or act as if they do not deserve to be heard, I think would be an insult to our responsibilities here as representatives of this country, which is a nation of laws," the congressman said.

He drew a comparison to the investigation into who leaked the name of a CIA operative to the news media. Conservative columnist and CNN contributor Robert Novak, who first identified the operative in a column published in July, said the information came from administration officials.

Fattah said members of Congress still listen to President Bush when he comes to address them.

"We can't conduct our work here on the basis of rumors and innuendo, nor on the basis of unproven allegations," he said.

Jackson, 45, has pleaded not guilty to seven felony counts of lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14 and two counts of giving the child an "intoxicating agent."

Monday, one Democratic leadership aide had criticized the idea of Jackson meeting with lawmakers.

"It's a distraction from the progress we've been making on issues that are important to the American people: jobs and the economy," the aide said. "It's a distraction for the media."

CNN's Joe Johns and Ted Barrett contributed to this report.


Entertainer Michael Jackson (news) arrives at the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill in Washington March 30, 2004. Jackson was in Washington Tuesday to meet with Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA). REUTERS/Molly Riley


Entertainer Michael Jackson (news) is flanked by body guards upon his arrival at the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill in Washington March 30, 2004. Jackson was on Capitol Hill Tuesday to meet with Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA). REUTERS/Molly Riley


Michael Jackson (news) is surrounded by his bodyguards as they leave the Rayburn House building following a brief private meeting with several African-American members of Congress in the office of Rep. Chaka Fattah, D-Pa., on Capitol Hill to talk about his work fighting AIDS (news - web sites) in Africa, Tuesday March 30, 2004 in Washington. Jackson is planning a trip to Africa later this year, a congressional aide said. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)


Entertainer Michael Jackson (news) is flanked by body guards upon his departure from the office of Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-PA) in the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill in Washington March 30, 2004. Jackson was on Capitol Hill Tuesday to meet with Fattah. REUTERS/Molly Riley







Ripleywoensdag 31 maart 2004 @ 11:25
quote:
THE OTHER JACKSON: A California judge lifting some media restrictions in the Michael Jackson case, allowing the media to photograph and communicate with grand jurors and adult witnesses outside the courthouse.

TRIAL FILE: Michael Jackson's 14-year-old accuser reportedly testified before the grand jury Tuesday, according to a source close to the case. Jamie Masada, the comedy club owner who introduced the boy to Jackson, also reportedly testified.

MORE JACKSON: Michael Jackson met with several black members of Congress in Washington D.C. Tuesday to discuss his upcoming mission to help fight AIDS in Africa. He released a statement directed towards black lawmakers, saying, "What I want you to know is that whatever I can do to assist you in your fight I will do."
Mylenewoensdag 31 maart 2004 @ 18:57
quote:
Wacko Jacko gekste Amerikaan
Popster Michael Jackson en zijn zusje Janet hebben de twijfelachtige titel 'gekste Amerikanen van 2004' veroverd. Dat hebben de organisatoren van de verkiezing ter gelegenheid van April Fools Day, 1 april, dinsdag bekendgemaakt.



Het was de tweede keer op rij dat de eer te beurt viel aan Michael Jackson in de jaarlijkse peiling in de Verenigde Staten. Momenteel wordt hij vervolgd voor seksueel misbruik van een twaalfjarige jongen. Vorig jaar had hij voor zijn 'verkiezing' opzien gebaard door voor fotografen zijn zoontje uit het raam van een hotel in Berlijn te laten bungelen.
Copycatwoensdag 31 maart 2004 @ 19:34

Die foto!
Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 31 maart 2004 @ 23:11
quote:
Op woensdag 31 maart 2004 19:34 schreef Copycat het volgende:

Die foto!
Die's niet echt hoor...
Copycatwoensdag 31 maart 2004 @ 23:23
quote:
Op woensdag 31 maart 2004 23:11 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

Die's niet echt hoor...

duh
Diorchaneldonderdag 1 april 2004 @ 09:03






Diorchaneldonderdag 1 april 2004 @ 09:04
SECOND CAPITAL HILL VISIT
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Michael Jackson To Tour Africa in AIDS Fight

The air was thick with anticipation, the waiting seemed to go on forever. Then suddenly an elevator door opened and in came the King of Pop.

Michael Jackson, surrounded by security, fans and curious onlookers, and amid cheers and screams of joy, entered Capitol Hill for the next in a series of humanitarian meetings promoting AIDS awareness in Africa.

After a meeting that lasted about an hour, Mr. Jackson joined Congresswoman Sheila-Jackson Lee, Congressman Bobby Rush, Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. and others at a press conference held in the hall of the Rayburn House Office Building.. After short statements from congressmen and ambassadors praising Mr. Jackson for his humanitarian efforts, the issue was addressed and a call was placed on President Bush requesting that he keep his promise to fight AIDS.

At the conclusion of the press conference, it was announced that Mr. Jackson will tour Africa as the leader in a global campaign to raise funds for the AIDS fight. The time of the event was not disclosed.

The press conference ended at roughly 4:45 P.M. and Mr. Jackson left, en route to visit those afflicted with AIDS at Walter Reed Hospital.

Source: MJJForum

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Iwan1976zondag 4 april 2004 @ 14:44
Michael Jackson Claimed Farm Tax Break

By Martha Mendoza

Pop star Michael Jackson has saved more than $1 million in property taxes on his Neverland Ranch by claiming the California land conservation tax break, but a year ago, California officials decided he had developed too much of the property to qualify for it.

"This is an egregious violation," said Valentin Alexeeff, director of the Santa Barbara County Planning and Development Department.

Jackson responded by withdrawing from the program. County officials are considering legal action to collect back taxes and possibly fines.

The tax break, which Jackson began claiming when he bought the property in 1988, reduced his tax bill by about half.

The Neverland ranch, tucked into the rugged coastal hills of Santa Barbara County, was enrolled in the land conservation program before Jackson bought it.

Last April, county inspectors visited the property and found it was not in compliance with the law governing the tax break, under which he was allowed to develop only 2 acres of the ranch. Jackson had developed about 37 acres, according to county records. Today, the once virgin land includes a dazzling Peter Pan theme park, complete with a zoo, a small railway system, an 80-seat theater, a Ferris wheel, carousel, bumper cars and a 25-room Tudor mansion.

That's not to say there aren't any cows.

Over the hills from the grassy amusement park, Jackson leases 1,700 acres to the PotHook T Cattle Company which runs about 500 head on the property.

But this, state officials say, isn't enough to qualify the ranch for the tax break under California law, which is has more stringent requirements than land preservation laws in most states.



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matthijstzondag 4 april 2004 @ 16:27
Hij ziet er vrij opgewekt uit
Brave_Sir_Robinzondag 4 april 2004 @ 16:42
quote:
Op zondag 4 april 2004 16:27 schreef matthijst het volgende:
Hij ziet er vrij opgewekt uit
Het lijkt dan ook wel aardig te gaan met de rechtszaak alhoewel er weining info is omdat alles in het geheim wordt gedaan.

Jackson lawyers surprise in court

Defense asks that "wealth" of evidence to clear singer be given to grand jurors

4/3/04
By DAWN HOBBS

NEWS-PRESS STAFF WRITER


Michael Jackson's defense team unexpectedly wheeled a stack of thick binders into a Santa Maria courtroom Friday that they say contain abundant evidence that would exonerate the singer of child molestation charges.

Mark Geragos and co-counsel Benjamin Brafman want Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon to immediately distribute them to the grand jurors who have heard four days of secret testimony in the case against Mr. Jackson .

The defense's move was an unexpected one at a hearing that was intended to fine-tune a gag order and discuss media access to sealed documents.

While defense attorneys are barred from grand jury proceedings, which are held in secret, prosecutors are required to present evidence that could potentially clear the defendant. Mr. Jackson faces seven felony counts of lewd conduct with a child under 14 and two felony counts of administering alcohol to commit the molestations.

"There is literally a wealth of exculpatory material," Mr. Brafman said, gesturing toward the stack of boxes.

The binders contain a copy of a letter to Mr. Sneddon, a list of "100 items of exculpatory information we have been able to verify," and 61 exhibits, Mr. Brafman said.


Whether the grand jurors will actually receive the binders wasn't clear .

"We have not seen those binders publicly presented in open court," Senior Deputy District Attorney Gerald Franklin said after the hearing. "Based on a review of the binders -- and being mindful of our obligation to present to the jury only that evidence which is admissible -- we'll determine what to do with the information."

Other boxes were brought into the courtroom containing evidence from a 2000 lawsuit that could help the defense's case. The alleged victim and his family sued J.C. Penney Co., claiming family members were beaten and the mother was sexually assaulted outside the store when they were suspected of shoplifting. The store settled for $150,000.

The case files include subpoenaed medical and psychiatric files on the young accuser and his family.

The defense team has claimed that lawsuit shows the family has a pattern of making up stories to get money from people. Mr. Geragos has stated the current case is the result of a failed attempt by the family to get money from the entertainer. The material in the binders may back up these statements .

The entertainer was not required to be present at the court hearing, but even in his absence a couple dozen fans still showed up for support.

While about 25 reporters attended the hearing in Santa Maria, a half-dozen news crews were kept blocks away from the grand jury proceedings that continued in Santa Barbara.

The accuser's father and his attorney, Russ Halpern, testified Friday, a family friend said. Mr. Jackson's private investigator, Bradley Miller, has been subpoenaed and will likely appear next week, the News-Press learned. On the issue of media access, Superior Court Judge Rodney Melville ruled that attorneys and witnesses will still be prohibited from speaking with reporters and the documents will remain sealed. Attorneys can respond to prejudicial rumors if both the prosecution and defense teams can agree on a written statement and the judge then approves it.

Judge Melville said he has been cautious about what material is released in the high-profile case because: "I want to ensure that if there is a jury trial in the future -- which I firmly expect there will be -- I want to make sure the jury pool is not biased because of exposure to each side's theories before evidence is heard in a court of law."

The secrecy in the Jackson case is unprecedented -- even compared to other high-profile cases, said media attorney Theodore Boutrous, who was in court fighting for more access.

Documents are automatically sealed, attorneys and witnesses can't speak with the media, and journalists have been kept blocks away from the grand jury proceeding so they can't identify witnesses.

Prosecutors have previously said that these measures are needed to protect the young accuser.

Mr. Boutrous maintains that the alleged victim can still be protected without going to extremes. The shroud of secrecy, he said, could undermine public confidence in the legal system and result in people thinking the case is being improperly conducted.
Iwan1976zondag 4 april 2004 @ 20:28
Michael Jackson's Attorneys In Court
Saturday, April 03, 2004
Ben Brafman and Mark Geragos argue for defence

Michael Jackson's attorneys Benjamin Brafman and Mark Geragos were in court in Santa Maria yesterday, and they are looking to throw out a grand jury indictment if one is passed next week, according to Reuters.

Apparently, Brafman argued to Judge Rodney Melville that the defence has not been allowed to introduce evidence of the King of Pop's innocence to a grand jury. "This is the court we would come to with a 995 motion, if there is an indictment," Brafman told the court. A 995 motion is where the defence would challenge a grand jury indictment through claims of misconduct by prosecutors or on legal grounds.

In addition, Brafman told the court that he and Geragos were turning over a letter listing 100 items (that help show Michael did not commit the crimes) to the prosecution, according to the Associated Press. "There is a wealth of clearly exculpatory material. ... We are filing today 20 notebooks with the district attorney's office," Brafman said.

Brafman noted that by the time the material has been turned over to prosecutors, most of the witnesses the material details will have already testified. "The material impacts demonstrably on the testimony of witnesses who already appeared and we would request that the witnesses come back," he said. The defence does not have to present evidence of Michael's innocence, however, the prosecution is obligated to present such material.

Among the items the defence will ask to be presented to a grand jury are school and psychiatrist records, which involved an unrelated case involving the Accuser, his Mother and his brother. The lawsuit was against department store JCPenney and Tower Records which claimed the family were assaulted by security guards. The guards claim the family were shoplifting and no abuse took place, however a civil suit was filed and the family won a large cash settlement.

An attorney that represented Tower Records, James LaChance, had records subpoenaed from the defence due to previous orders sealing them, Judge Melville issued the order and LaChance handed over two file boxes.

Judge Melville expressed a want to keep secret the identities of the witnesses, as well as the search warrant details. He also met with defence attorneys to discuss an audio tape seized from a defence investigator, Melville said he will make a final decision on whether it can be disclosed to the prosecution.

The Judge also acknowledged his previously sanctioned gag order, and modified it slightly. The attorneys in the case can now respond to media stories circulating about the case, however, a written response must be provided to the Judge for his own decision on whether or not they are to be released.

A grand jury indictment would eliminate the need for a preliminary hearing in the case, however, a date of April 30th has been set to try and find a date for a pre-trial should the grand jury fail to indict.



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Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 8 april 2004 @ 16:48
Jackson's Former Jail Mate Talks!
08/04/2004
Last December, beleaguered pop star MICHAEL JACKSON came forward in a "60 Minutes" interview saying he had been injured during his arrest and booking procedure on child molestation charges in Santa Barbara. Since then, dozens of witnesses have been questioned, saying they didn't see anything out of the ordinary.

On tonight's ET, we have an in-depth interview with VALENTINO ZILIOTTO JR., the 24-year-old who's one of the many who have been questioned by the Justice Department. He was in jail the day Michael was arrested. "They basically asked to hear everything that I'd seen, heard and knew from that day," he tells ET.

Ziliotto, who was released from jail on March 19 after an almost eight-week stint, says seeing Jackson was unexpected. "I remember being brought back from court and it was a little after noon and when they took us in the hallway, they took us in a different direction than they normally would ... and I thought that was weird," he says. "But when I got to the door that leads to the cells, I looked to my left and saw Mr. Jackson with his hands against the wall with his feet spread. That's the point in booking where they pat you down."

He says that from what he saw, it seemed as though the pop star was in a jovial mood. "He seemed playful ... Later on when I was in my cell they were walking him from booking to where they do fingerprints and pictures and he seemed playful." He continues to say, "He seemed happy and he was smiling. He could hear us all yelling and cheering him on. He would turn and smile and wave and he flashed us the peace sign a couple of times."

As far as any mistreatment towards the self-proclaimed "King of Pop," Ziliotto says he saw none. "It was very professional," he says. "They patted him down the same way they'd pat anyone else down. They did their job and did what they had to do."

Later, when he heard Michael and his family were accusing the police of abusing the star while he was in custody, he knew that it couldn't be right. "I just knew from what I saw it wasn't true," he says. "With what I saw with my own eyes, it didn't take place ... Every time he was in my vision, he was never even touched. He was escorted."

Source: ET


Nu is ET niet echt betrouwbaar maar het was al wel aardig duidelijk dat MJ niets ernsitgs was overkomen tijdens zijn arrestatie en dit lijkt dat te bevestigen.
Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 14 april 2004 @ 19:18
Los Angeles Police Department Investigating New Accusations Against Michael Jackson

An unidentified 18 year old teenager has accused superstar Michael Jackson of child molestation, driving the Los Angeles Police Department to start an investigation on the matter.

The accuser claims that the singer molested him in the late 1980‘s, while he was still very young, and that it happened in the City of Los Angeles, according to authorities.

The story was first brought to light by Los Angeles attorney Gregory Brenner on Sunday during an interview with Rita Cosby on Fox News. The following day a report was made on Court TV’s Catherine Crier Live, in which journalist Diane Dimond called the story “a hoax”.

Then on Tuesday evening, the Los Angeles Police Department issued a written statement through spokesman Jason Lee, confirming the accusations, adding that “The Department´s Juvenile Division and Child Protection Section is currently investigating the allegations.”

However, according to California law, in order to conduct a criminal investigation on child molestation cases, the accusations must be made within 8 years of the time in which the molestation allegedly occurred. But Sandi Gibbons, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County District Attorney´s Office, said that the time could be extended under certain circumstances.

Mr. Jackson’s attorneys, Benjamin Brafman and Mark Geragos, who are defending him in his Santa Barbara case, have dismissed the allegations as false and categorized them as another rumor.

"It is simply not possible, nor productive, to even try and respond to the dozens of baseless rumors and outrageous allegations that surface on almost a daily basis," Brafman said.

"In virtually all of these cases, once the facts have been objectively investigated, they have been found to be entirely without merit. My expectation is that this story, like so many others, will eventually prove to be false and in all likelihood was promoted by people who have their own selfish agendas or are otherwise seeking to compromise the right of Mr. Jackson to a fair hearing on the charges presently pending," he added.

His statement was followed by one issued by Mark Geragos, in which he stated: “It appears to be nothing more than part of an ongoing campaign to smear Michael with unfounded, scurrilous and ridiculous accusations, and we fully intend to find out who´s behind it and take the appropriate actions" .

Meanwhile, in Santa Barbara, a grand jury is still meeting in an undisclosed location going over evidence on similar charges, and considering an indictment against Mr. Jackson.

Source: Reuters/ MJJForum
Peregrijnwoensdag 14 april 2004 @ 19:38
quote:
Op woensdag 14 april 2004 19:18 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:
Los Angeles Police Department Investigating New Accusations Against Michael Jackson
Hoe oud was Jackson eind jaren 80?

P.S. Squashen deze week staat even op een laag pitje. Ik heb morgen een kennismakingsgesprek bij een gemeente in Zuid-Holland n.a.v. een sollicitatie
Copycatwoensdag 14 april 2004 @ 21:52
Geboren op Augustus 29, 1958.

In 1988 was ie dus 29, 30.
Maar wat zou dat volgens jou kunnen betekenen .
P.S. Okay en succes!
Peregrijnwoensdag 14 april 2004 @ 22:19
quote:
Op woensdag 14 april 2004 21:52 schreef Copycat het volgende:
Geboren op Augustus 29, 1958.

In 1988 was ie dus 29, 30.
Maar wat zou dat volgens jou kunnen betekenen .
P.S. Okay en succes!
Ik zou het niet weten

Dank je. Was eigenlijk meer een verkapt bericht aan B_S_R
Copycatwoensdag 14 april 2004 @ 22:23
Brave_Sir_Robinwoensdag 14 april 2004 @ 23:21
quote:
Op woensdag 14 april 2004 19:38 schreef Peregrijn het volgende:
Hoe oud was Jackson eind jaren 80?

P.S. Squashen deze week staat even op een laag pitje. Ik heb morgen een kennismakingsgesprek bij een gemeente in Zuid-Holland n.a.v. een sollicitatie
Eind jaren tachtig was hij vooral de wereld aan het rondtouren met zijn Bad-tour. Ik denk niet dat hij veel tijd had om tussendoor in LA nog even iemand te misbruiken.

Heel veel succes morgen! Zuid-Holland rekent op je!
Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 15 april 2004 @ 11:46
New Jackson Accuser 'Recovered' Memories -Sources

By Howard Breuer

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A new sexual molestation investigation of singer Michael Jackson (news) was prompted by claims brought by an 18-year-old said to have recovered repressed memories of an assault over a decade ago, sources close to the case said on Wednesday.

The Los Angeles Police Department announced on Tuesday that it is investigating claims that Jackson sexually assaulted a man in the late 1980s -- allegations that Jackson's lawyers have called baseless.

Separate sources close to the case told Reuters that the alleged victim, who is now 18, recently recalled repressed memories of an assault from when he was 3 to 5 years old. Police have refused to reveal details about the accuser or his allegations.

Jackson, 45, is currently facing child molestation charges in Santa Barbara County, north of Los Angeles, involving a boy under the age of 14. He has denied those charges.

The sources said that Beverly Hills psychiatrist Carole Lieberman, who filed a child abuse complaint last year with Santa Barbara County Protective Services against the pop singer, counseled the new victim and helped him remember the alleged assault.

The sources also said that feminist attorney Gloria Allred, a prominent critic of Jackson's lifestyle, was also involved in bringing the recent complaint to police.

Both women told Reuters they could neither confirm nor deny their involvement in the case.


Allred added, "If there's an individual who came forward, I'm glad that law enforcement is conducting an investigation."

Lieberman said, "If I am someone's psychiatrist, (I am) not able to disclose the name of a patient. ... I am ethically and legally bound to not comment at this time."

One legal expert, attorney Gregory Brenner, said if Allred and Lieberman were involved, Jackson's lawyer Mark Geragos could argue that the evidence was tainted and prejudicial.

Geragos declined to comment other than to reiterate an earlier statement that the latest allegation "appears to be nothing more than part of an ongoing campaign to smear Michael with unfounded, scurrilous and ridiculous accusations."

"In my opinion, one has to be incredibly suspect of recovered memory," Beverly Hills psychiatrist Dr. Howard Shapiro told Reuters.

"The younger the subject was (when the incident occurred), the less they're able to make sense of the experience, and when they remember it later they may put an interpretation on it," he said.


Source: http://story.news.yahoo.c(...)_nm/crime_jackson_dc

Vervelende bitches zonder leven die MJ het leven zo zuur mogelijk proberen te maken...
Copycatzaterdag 17 april 2004 @ 18:52
Don't believe the hoax:
Ananova
quote:

Rumours that Michael Jackson had committed suicide spread like wildfire after a website published a hoax story.
The 'joke' included a realistic page looking like a genuine news article claiming the self-titled King of Pop had died of a cardiac arrest from taking two dozen sleeping pills.

But the 'story' originated from a website that helps people make fake web pages, with the author admitting: "I used Michael Jackson in this example. It's just a joke." A Jackson spokesman said: "It's just a lie. He is safe and well."

However, the rumour sparked massive panic among news organisations and spread around the world by email from people convinced the sick story was true.
Stoute webbers.
Brave_Sir_Robinzaterdag 17 april 2004 @ 19:15
Jackson zal voor altijd blijven leven.
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 19 april 2004 @ 12:13
Youth involved in Jackson criminal case appears vital

BY MICHELLE CARUSO AND ALEC BYRNE
New York Daily News


LOS ANGELES - (KRT) - The young cancer patient who has accused Michael Jackson of sexual abuse is now a robust teenager able to withstand the rigors of a military camp and scale 8-foot walls, the Daily News has learned.

He also has moved into a comfy condo on the upscale west side of Los Angeles, and his mom is driving a new car.

It is a remarkably different picture from what the family's friends have described.


In the swirl of publicity after Jackson was arrested for allegedly molesting the boy in November, family friends said the boy was desperately ill - in dire need of a kidney transplant - and so poor that he and his siblings didn't even have beds.

Comedy club owner Jamie Masada, who introduced the accuser to Jackson, broke hearts across the nation when he described the 14-year-old boy's failing health and grim living conditions in a series of interviews late last year.

"He has only one kidney and it's failing him, and part of his face is swollen up. ... It just breaks your heart," Masada told the Daily News in late November, adding that he donated bunk beds so the boy and his younger brother wouldn't have to sleep on the floor.

"They're poor people, simple people," Masada said.

In late December, he told The Associated Press, "The kid is not doing very good."

Weeks after Masada's heartrending media blitz, an in-depth investigation found the boy in good shape, despite his cancer bout, and strong enough to run, jump, scale fences and even hoist a rifle.

Masada, silenced by a court gag order, declined to comment....



The Daily News learned the boy in early 2004 was practicing grueling rifle drills with the Sea Cadet Corps, a boot-camp-style youth group, hanging out with friends and enjoying family outings.

The newspaper's investigation also raises questions about reports of the family's deprivation and poverty.

The accuser's mother was repeatedly seen driving her brand new red 2004 Volkswagen Jetta with a $21,000 sticker price, a big-ticket purchase for someone struggling to make ends meet.

The family moved in with the mother's new boyfriend, U.S. Army Reserve Maj. Jay Jackson (no relation to Michael) sometime last year.

By January they had they relocated to a pleasant two-bedroom condo near L.A.'s posh Brentwood neighborhood - a far cry from their former run-down apartment on the city's dicey east side. ...


On Jan. 21, the family's former attorney William Dickerman told The Associated Press the family was "in hiding" from the media, adding, "They're very private people."

However, 10 days later, the accuser's mother allowed the boy and his 13-year-old brother to go on an unsupervised dining and shopping spree with a local TV reporter.

Photos show Fox 11-KTTV's reporter Barbara Schroeder and the boys cheerfully chatting on the Jan. 31 excursion. They lunched at a cafe, shopped at an electronic games store, where the accuser emerged with a bag of goodies, and spent 40 minutes at a video arcade.

When Schroeder brought the kids back 2-1/2 hours later, the mom came outside to chat....
Brave_Sir_Robindinsdag 20 april 2004 @ 13:30
MJ Accuser's Testimony 'Shaky'
April 19 2004
By Roger Friedman

The grand jury testimony of the 14-year-old boy accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation was not a success, I am told.

Much was made recently of the boy's appearance before a grand jury convened by District Attorney Tom Sneddon in Santa Barbara. As was the case 10 years ago, Sneddon's case against Jackson depends on the grand jury believing the veracity of a teenager. But two grand juries in 1994, you may recall, did not conclude that Jackson had molested anyone.

Now I hear from sources involved with the case that the 14-year-old, who testified recently, did not make a good witness. In fact, I'm told that his own lawyer cut off the questioning when he saw things were getting rough.

This comes at a time when, I am told, the boy's mother -- who in 1998, according to statements made by her ex-husband in court papers, spent time in a mental hospital -- is again having similar problems. "She was hospitalized again," a source tells me. ...

If the testimony of the current accuser was indeed as "shaky" as it was described to me, it will be interesting to see where the case goes next. If the grand jury does not hand down an indictment, the lack of a case would abrogate any chance the family had for a civil suit or cash settlement, as in the 1994 case. ...

Meanwhile, Dr. Carole Lieberman -- the Beverly Hills psychiatrist who filed a complaint against Jackson after his baby-dangling incident in early November 2002 -- says she wonders if Sneddon has a case at all.
staticwoensdag 21 april 2004 @ 00:46
quote:
'Jackson voerde slachtoffer drank tot hij omviel'

Popster Michael Jackson voerde de jongen die hij zou hebben misbruikt vaak zoveel alcohol dat hij bewusteloos raakte. Dat meldt de Amerikaanse zender ABC News.

Politierapport
ABC News citeert uit een politierapport. Daarin staan gedetailleerde beschuldigingen tegen Jackson van het slachtoffer en zijn broertje. Ze hebben die geuit tijdens een ondervraging door psycholoog Stan Katz, op verzoek van de advocaat van de familie.

Etalagepop
Jackson zou onder meer naakt voor de broertjes zijn gaan staan toen die televisie zaten te kijken. Volgens de jongste van de twee heeft hij ook voor hun neus seksuele handelingen nagebootst met een ontklede etalagepop die een meisje van een jaar of acht voorstelde.

Borgsom
Jackson staat terecht omdat hij vorig jaar de toen 13-jarige jongen herhaaldelijk seksueel misbruikt en dronken gevoerd zou hebben. In januari verklaarde hij voor de rechter onschuldig te zijn. Jackson werd vrijgelaten nadat hij een borgsom van 1,6 miljoen dollar had betaald.
APKwoensdag 21 april 2004 @ 01:48
quote:
Op dinsdag 20 april 2004 13:30 schreef Brave_Sir_Robin het volgende:

This comes at a time when, I am told, the boy's mother -- who in 1998, according to statements made by her ex-husband in court papers, spent time in a mental hospital -- is again having similar problems. "She was hospitalized again," a source tells me. ...
Tja, vind je het gek als je de hele Michael Jackson mongolenmaffia achter je aan hebt?
matthijstwoensdag 21 april 2004 @ 05:42
Damn, mr. Sneddon gaat met pensioen als "de man die het maar niet voor elkaar kreeg". Ik voorspel een spoedige zelfmoord....
Byebye Tom, rot in hell
Cosma-Shivadonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 04:09
Michael Jackson Indicted

Pop star Michael Jackson has been indicted by a grand jury investigating allegations that he molested a young boy, ABCNEWS has learned.

The panel has been meeting in Santa Barbara, Calif., for 13 days to consider whether there is enough evidence to charge Jackson, 45. The precise charges returned against the singer were not immediately known.

The indictment means the grand jury concluded there is enough evidence to believe that Jackson has committed a crime and should face trial.

Jackson, 45, was arrested on Nov. 20 and booked on child molestation charges after a 14-year-old boy alleged the singer sexually abused him during visits to his Neverland Ranch. The boy was 12 at the time of the alleged abuse.

Jackson, who has labeled the allegations "a big lie," pleaded not guilty in January to seven counts of lewd acts upon a child and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent.

The indictment expedites the case against Jackson directly to Santa Barbara Superior Court for trial. Jackson will now face a new arraignment, where he will be given the opportunity to enter a plea. After the arraignment, the judge will set a date for trial.

Jackson is already free on $3 million bail from his previous arraignment. While the district attorney could ask for a new bond hearing, the stipulations of his release will likely remain the same.

Jackson was first accused of sexually molesting a boy in 1993, but he was never charged. He reportedly paid $20 million to settle a civil suit filed by the boy's family.

ABCNEWS.
Diorchaneldonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 09:10
Ik steun deze man tot het bittere einde....


CNN LARRY KING LIVE

Interview With Donald Trump, Cast of 'Apprentice'

Aired April 21, 2004 - 21:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's a story that will not seem to go away there, Larry. CNN has confirmed through two different sources that a grand jury that's been meeting for 13 days here in Santa Barbara to hear testimony and consider charges, charges of child molestation against pop star Michael Jackson has in fact indicted Michael Jackson. It's not clear what exactly those charges are at this point. We expect to know more about those charges soon. Certainly, though, this means that Mr. Jackson will be back in court to be re-arraigned. Most likely that date will be next Friday, the 30th, where he will have to be re-arraigned on whatever charges the grand jury handed up today -- Larry.

KING: Thank you, Miguel. That big story out of Santa Barbara. Michael Jackson, indicted. We don't have the particulars of the indictment. But CNN now confirms he has been indicted.

We'll be back with our remaining moments after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

KING: We've just received this release from Michael Jackson's attorneys, Mark Geragos, Benjamin Brafman, Steve Cochran and Robert Sanger, saying if an indictment is returned and Mr. Jackson is required to appear in court on April 30, and that is now a fact, he will appear and enter a plea of not guilty. Mr. Jackson and his attorneys are confident that after a trial on these charges, Mr. Jackson will be fully exonerated, and that the allegations contained in the indictment will be shown to be patently false.

Mr. Jackson and his attorneys remind the public that an indictment is merely a formal accusation. We also remind the public that Michael Jackson, like any other person accused of a crime, is presumed to be innocent.

In this case, Mr. Jackson is not just presumed to be innocent, but is in fact innocent. Michael is looking forward to his day in court and wishes to thank the millions of fans throughout the world who continue to support him during this difficult period.

I know you know him, Donald. Any reaction to this?

TRUMP: Well, I know him very well. He's lived in my buildings. He's lived in Trump Tower, and I know him very well. And I don't believe it. I'm going to stick up for him, because nobody else is. But I don't believe it.

And if you look at the mother of this young man, she has had plenty of experience at going after people. And she goes after them viciously and violently, and I saw a story and I read another story about some of the things she's done.

And I don't believe it. He lived in Trump Tower. I knew what was happening with Michael Jackson. You know what was happening? Absolutely nothing. I had many people that worked for me in the building, and believe me, they would tell me if anything was wrong.

And after many years, he didn't do a damn thing wrong in the building. So I really believe it's this mother, and I think it's somebody out there that wants to get a lot of publicity for himself by indicting Michael Jackson.

KING: You know what it's like when an indictment comes down.

TRUMP: It's tough.

KING: And its presumption.

TRUMP: It's tough. It's tough to win. But I have a feeling he is going to win, Larry.
APKdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 09:50
quote:
Op donderdag 22 april 2004 09:10 schreef Diorchanel het volgende:
Ik steun deze man tot het bittere einde....
Waarom?
Omdat hij leuke liedjes zingt

Eng hoor.
matthijstdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 09:59
Omdat sommige mensen verder kijken dan de voorpagina van de telegraaf misschien?
Zie DOnald Trumps mening...
APKdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 10:05
quote:
Op donderdag 22 april 2004 09:59 schreef matthijst het volgende:
Omdat sommige mensen verder kijken dan de voorpagina van de telegraaf misschien?
Zie DOnald Trumps mening...
Ik lees gewoon teletekst...
quote:
SANTA BARBARA Een jury in Santa Barbara
in de VS heeft popzanger Michael
Jackson,die verdacht wordt van seksueel
misbruik van een minderjarige jongen,
officieel in staat van beschuldiging
gesteld.

De 19-koppige jury besloot na bijna
twee weken durende beraadslagingen dat
er voldoende bewijs is om de zaak voor
de rechter te brengen.

Michael Jackson wordt beschuldigd van
het misbruiken van de jongen en het
toedienen van een verdovend middel.
De
popster krijgt op 30 april de aanklacht
te horen.De betrokken rechter verwacht
dat de zaak begin december zal dienen.
Als hij veroordeeld wordt....
Veel plezier met je pedofiele vriendje.
Copycatdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 10:18
Maar ook Donald Trumps mening blijft een mening, geen onomstotelijk bewijs.
Brave_Sir_Robindonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 10:47
En daarvoor hebben we nu de rechtszaak.
Trouwens, deze 'indiction' door de 'Grand Jury' zegt niets over de uitkomst van de nu volgende daadwerkelijke rechtszaak. Er gaat een gezegde rond in Amerika dat "a grand jury will indict a ham-sandwich".

Statement by Michael Jackson's Attorneys in Response to the Announcement of an Indictment

If the Grand Jury issues an indictment, on Friday, April 30, 2004, Mr. Michael Jackson will appear in court in Santa Maria, California at which time he will enter a plea of NOT guilty to the charges. Mr. Jackson and his attorneys remind the public that an indictment is merely a formal “accusation.” We also remind the public that Michael Jackson, like any other person accused of a crime, is “presumed to be innocent.”

Mr. Jackson and his attorneys are confident that after a trial on these charges, Mr. Jackson will be fully exonerated and that the allegations contained in the indictment will be shown to be patently false.

In this case, Mr. Jackson is not just “presumed” to be innocent but is in fact innocent. Michael is looking forward to his day in court and wishes to thank the millions of fans throughout the world who continue to support him during this difficult period.
quote:
Als hij veroordeeld wordt....
Veel plezier met je pedofiele vriendje.
Dat is op dit moment nog een behoorlijk grote 'als'.
matthijstdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 12:22
quote:
Op donderdag 22 april 2004 10:05 schreef APK het volgende:
Als hij veroordeeld wordt....
Veel plezier met je pedofiele vriendje.
Wow, verrassend intelligent commentaar. Voorlopis ben je onschuldig tot het tegendeel is bewezen...
APKdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 12:31
quote:
Op donderdag 22 april 2004 12:22 schreef matthijst het volgende:
Wow, verrassend intelligent commentaar. Voorlopis ben je onschuldig tot het tegendeel is bewezen...
Daarom schreef ik ook 'als'.
Diorchaneldonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 12:58
Ik heb deze man vaak in het bijzijn van kinderen gezien. Een rasechte pedofiel gaat niet maar 2 kinderen misbruiken, te weten Jordy en Gavin.

Maar wat me nog zieker maakt is dat ik weet dat MJ weer in de Arena komt te staan en dat dan iedereen er weer bij is terwijl ze hem nu een pedofiel vinden.
En maar blij doen...

Maar goed, we merken het wel!
matthijstdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 15:31
"ik weet dat MJ weer in de Arena komt te staan"

Denk het niet, of heb je hier een bron voor?
Diorchaneldonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 15:50
Geen bron maar zo gaat het gewoon. Er zijn veel dingen die in het voordeel zijn van MJ maar die niet worden belicht in de media.
En het trekt meer aandacht wanneer de publiciteit slecht is, dat verkoopt meer.\
Zo is het trouwens in 1993 ook gegaan...

Ik heb er vertrouwen in hoor, ben totaal niet ongerust. Er is niks gebeurd en dat zal bewezen worden.

Ben al jaaaaren fan, lees alles wat er te lezen valt. Dus ik ben gewoon meer op de hoogte dan geen fans...
matthijstdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 23:55
Cool, Jackson in de laatste South Park aflevering!
Copycatdonderdag 22 april 2004 @ 23:58
Starmagazine:
quote:
Jacko selling pics of kids?
Is Michael Jackson looking to cash-in by peddling pics of his kids to the highest bidder?
A rep for the King of Pop is selling "new unpublished and unseen" photos of Jackson and his three children "not obscured by any veils or masks" along with a new "intimate" interview.

The deal is expected to bring in millions, though the rep insists a "substantial portion" of the dough will be donated to "one or more charities."

Jackson, who's currently awaiting trial on child molestation charges, has denied reports that he is strapped for cash.
Cosma-Shivavrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 04:17
quote:
Op donderdag 22 april 2004 09:59 schreef matthijst het volgende:
Zie DOnald Trumps mening...
TRUMP: Well, I know him very well. He's lived in my buildings. He's lived in Trump Tower, and I know him very well. And I don't believe it.

He lived in Trump Tower. I knew what was happening with Michael Jackson. You know what was happening? Absolutely nothing. I had many people that worked for me in the building, and believe me, they would tell me if anything was wrong.

And after many years, he didn't do a damn thing wrong in the building.


Vreemd dat de Grand Jury op basis hiervan de zaak niet heeft afgeblazen.
Cosma-Shivavrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 04:47
Jackson's New Hideout

Eyewitness News has learned, until his court hearing next Friday, Michael Jackson is hiding out in Central Florida, the Isleworth area to be exact.The King of Pop is said to be staying in a $10.5 million mansion located in the exclusive community of Isleworth. The lakefront property is owned by David Siegal, the so-called Donald Trump of Orlando.

His wife, Jacqueline, explains how Jackson and his entourage ended up in her new 12-bedroom, 19-bathroom house:

"We got a call from a real estate agent and asked if we'd be interested in renting out our house for a couple of weeks. I talked to my husband and, since we hadn't moved, we thought, well, why not? We'll make a little extra money," says Siegal.

She didn't say how much money Jackson is paying to stay there. In fact, when she rented it out a week and a half ago, she says she didn't know Jackson was renting it.

"They were very private about it. I kind of found out about it through the grapevine myself," she says.

And privacy is exactly what Jackson is getting. The house sits on its own island, far away from other homes and even further away from the Hollywood paparazzi.

Seigal says, Michael Jackson's rental agreement runs through Sunday.

http://www.wftv.com/newsofthestrang...194/detail.html
Copycatvrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 08:55
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 april 2004 04:17 schreef Cosma-Shiva het volgende:
Vreemd dat de Grand Jury op basis hiervan de zaak niet heeft afgeblazen.
Meen je dat serieus? Nee toch???

Het feit dat MJ in Trump Tower woonde pleit net zo min voor (of tegen) hem als de overtuiging van Donald Trump dat MJ onschuldig is.
Neem tenminste aan dat ze niet 24/7 op elkanders lip zaten...
matthijstvrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 09:01
Vreemd dat in Amerika iedereen dingen kan roepen, je publiekelijk kan vernederen en dat je, mocht je vervolgens worden vrijgesproken geen stuiver schadevergoeding krijgt.

Maar ja; Jackson is die freak met die verlepte kop en die nepneus die blank wil worden... dus hij zal het wel gedaan hebben.... Michael Jackson is de ultieme droom van racisten en andere dom volk; hij is die gestoorde teringaap die je altijd al een homo vond, hij verbouwd zijn gezicht en nu verkracht hij kinderen....

Makkelijk als je geen zin hebt om in ieder geval de moeite te nemen om de feiten te checken: Go Bush, Go Bush, terrorism, Al Quaida, Michael Jackson..... Wat moet het heerlijk zijn om dom te zijn... Luizenleventje, je hele leven anderen nalullen, nooit eens een keer zelf wat dingen uitzoeken....

Dezelfde psychiater, dezelfde openbaar aanklager, dezelfde advocaat als in '93. De moeder van de jongen heeft al eerder mensen opgelicht. Het tijdstip is op z'n minst verdacht: beginnen met misbruiken 1 dag na het tv interview?


edit: ik zeg niet dat hij onschuldig is, ik was er namelijk niet bij, maar ik geef de man in ieder geval het voordeel van de twijfel...
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 11:46
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 april 2004 08:55 schreef Copycat het volgende:

[..]

Meen je dat serieus? Nee toch???
Denk dat hij het inderdaad cynisch bedoelde.

Gelukkig zijn er nog wel andere zaken die voor MJ's onschuld pleiten:

MJ Case: Did DA Contact Family Early On?
by Roger Friedman

This morning, it seems, Michael Jackson has been indicted by a Santa Barbara grand jury on charges of child abuse. However: The two young men who worked for Jackson and took care of the family now accusing him of child molestation will have a lot to say should they ever testify in the case.

The two young men are Frank Tyson and Vincent Amen. A mutual acquaintance tells me that their main fashion accessory is a briefcase full of documents on this subject. It contains receipts, correspondence, and loads of other evidence that piece together their experience with the woman, her boyfriend, and the children.

I saw some of this evidence a few months ago, and I can tell you that District Attorney Tom Sneddon is walking into a buzz saw if he thinks this pair can help his case.


In fact, I am told, Tyson and Amen will recount how, when they returned the family to their own apartment in East Los Angeles on February 16, 2003, a business card belonging to Sneddon had already been slipped under the door of their apartment.

The mother — fresh from the uproar 10 days earlier of her two sons being featured in the Martin Bashir special "Living with Michael Jackson" — picked up the card and called Sneddon, they will say. And that could suggest that Sneddon, long before there was any accusation against Jackson of child molestation, was already looking for a case that might develop into something more. ...

Quite the opposite from holding them hostage, the pair was at the beck and call of the boy's mother.


If Sneddon thinks he's going to indict Tyson and Amen, here's a little flash for him: according to my sources, these guys kept the most detailed records of all their dealings with this woman and her children. As eyewitnesses to what went on with the family in question, the pair is ready and able to defend not only themselves but Jackson and Schaffel as well.

In fact, Tyson and Amen give an account of a timeline in this case from February 7 to mid-March, 2003, that could make them star defense witnesses — and a big headache for Sneddon and his prosecutors.

They will testify, if it goes that far, to the mother's constant complaints and requests, and to her anger when Jackson did nothing, as they remember her saying it, "to make my kids stars." They will describe her as a conniving opportunist and leech. According to my sources, they will also recount how the mother did not want to leave Neverland once she had allowed the pair to move her in from her impoverished flat in East Los Angeles. In fact, she told them each on numerous occasions that she thought Jackson should buy her a house in Solvang, a stone's throw from Neverland. ....


"She said she'd been promised all kinds of things. She wanted to work for MJJ Productions," my source reports. "She told Frank and Vinnie that she wanted to do Michael's PR because of all the bad things people said about him. She thought Michael was going to make her kids into stars."

Rather than hold anyone hostage, as the mother has now reportedly told Santa Barbara police, Tyson and Amen shuttled the mother's children around while she went off with her boyfriend. ...

Sneddon has reportedly offered Tyson and Amen immunity if they testify against Jackson, but my sources are adamant that the pair has rejected this idea. Believe me, they are not stupid. If they thought they had done something wrong, both Tyson and Amen would have taken the DA's deal. But they know what happened, and they feel, according to my sources, that they can prove it. Easily.

Bron: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,117846,00.html
Chepkevrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 12:25
MJ Forever
APKvrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 13:27
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 april 2004 12:25 schreef Chepke het volgende:
MJ Forever
in de gevangenis hopelijk.
Brave_Sir_Robinvrijdag 23 april 2004 @ 15:50
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 april 2004 13:27 schreef APK het volgende:

[..]

in de gevangenis hopelijk.
Alleen als hij schuldig is.
Diorchanelzaterdag 24 april 2004 @ 09:26
Kut media, oprotten!!!! Als je toch alleen maar bull shit kan vermelden! Dit maakt mij zooo woest!


Date: Saturday, April 24, 2004

STATEMENT OF MICHAEL JACKSON


"As I release this statement, there are helicopters hovering above my residence, reporters staking out, and photographers lurking behind bushes, running rampant around my compound.

“I am respectfully requesting that media organizations please respect my privacy, and that of my children.

“I would greatly appreciate your cooperation.

“Thank you.”


Source: Raymone Bain
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 26 april 2004 @ 00:07
Erg opvallend nieuws: Jackson verandert plotseling van advocaten.

Michael replaces lead Attorneys

Michael Jackson has replaced Mark Geragos and Benjamin Brafman as his legal counsel. Replacing them will be Thomas Mesereau Jr., a well-known criminal defense attorney who recently represented actor Robert Blake until they recently parted company, citing irreconcilable differences. "Based on recent developments and discussions with various persons in the Jackson camp, it became clear that it would be best if Mark and I decided to step down," Brafman said. "And that´s what we elected to do." When asked why, Brafman said, "For reasons we choose not to discuss publicly." He added, "We both wish Michael well." Mesereau, was reached leaving Florida after a meeting there with Jackson but declined to comment immediately and said he would speak late Sunday or early Monday.

Jackson´s spokeswoman, Raymone K. Bain, was unaware of the change when asked about it by a reporter.


Source: AP/MJJF
ilona-scuderiamaandag 26 april 2004 @ 01:23
quote:
Op vrijdag 23 april 2004 13:27 schreef APK het volgende:

[..]

in de gevangenis hopelijk.
Michael is claustrofobisch, in een lift begint ie al extreem te flippen
Als ze die schat in zo'n klein celletje opsluiten overleeft ie dat gewoonweg niet...
Brave_Sir_Robinmaandag 26 april 2004 @ 11:48
en vol