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Als startende darter heb ik wat afgezocht naar methodes om het darten onder de knie te krijgen. Wat ik veelal zie is dat er geen echte methode is, maar dat je veel moet gooien om de vaardigheid onder de knie te krijgen.

Heb ik dit nou mis, of zijn er ervaren darters die mij tóch wat beginnende gooitechnieken kan aanbevelen...

probeer deze link, da's pas link !!
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elke dag oefenen lijkt mij
The house that produces the most spice will control dune.
There are no set territories and no rules of engagement.
  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 10:31:58 #3
60947 DamagedBrain
Ik ben klaar met drama...
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Tip:

De pijl moet in het bord......

Zal ik jou doodmaken met een blije mus... }:|
pi_16307933
Gewoon gooien hoe je het het makkelijkst vind.
En veel oefenen, beter elke dag 3 keer een half uur dan 1x anderhalf uur
  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 10:34:01 #5
39712 Gerrit_Knol
It was a funny angle!
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Als je rechts bent, rechtervoet tegen de oche. Arm recht voor je en pijl met minimaal drie vingers (duim, wijs- en ringvinger) beetpakken en dan in de triple twintig gooien tenzij je een andere score nodig hebt....
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gewoon die pijl naar het bord pleuren... hij komt steeds dichterbij
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 10:34 schreef Gerrit_Knol het volgende:
Als je rechts bent, rechtervoet tegen de oche. Arm recht voor je en pijl met minimaal drie vingers (duim, wijs- en ringvinger) beetpakken en dan in de triple twintig gooien tenzij je een andere score nodig hebt....
ik gebruik altijd duim, wijsvinger en middelvinger
  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 10:35:17 #8
43634 Koos_26
Chantal Janzen
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Zorg dat je stil staat.
Geen hupjes enzo.
Hamelen
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Is idd gewoon een kwestie van veel doen. Is de enige echte manier om je hand-oog coordinatie te verbeteren.
Theories come and theories go. The frog remains
  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 10:38:09 #10
44377 Litman
Live a sunny life!
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sorry voor de lang c/p, maar dit is een goede uitleg (in english that is)

The Basics of Throwing Darts

1. The throw (this document)
2. The grip
3. The stance


First, let's look on how a dart flies. It travels along a parabolic curve, the same curve as for instance a thrown stone or a rifle bullet uses.

The curve can be higher or lower, this depends only on how powerful the dart is thrown. A decent throwing technique must guide the dart exactly along this parabolic curve when accelerating the dart, and must guarantee that the dart can continue this curve when it has left the hand.

How must the dart be moved to keep it in the right position? To work this out we have to look at the mechanics of the throwing arm. It can be exactly described as a 'machine' of 3 levers attached to each other by 2 joints or 'hinges', and with 1 joint attaching it to a fixed point:

The highly useful multi-purpose lever-system of the human arm
Looking at the above image, the 2 attaching joints are elbow and wrist, the fixing joint is the shoulder, while the 3 levers are the upper arm, the forearm and the hand.

Those of you who had the misfortune of being tortured by mechanical science in school will remember that this is a very neat arrangement: It can theoretically draw every possible curve within its range when the levers are moved properly, and although the human arm is slightly less movable the parabolic curve is still an easy exercise.

The above image already shows the 'aiming' position when throwing darts. In the following animation you can watch how the 'levers' and 'hinges' work in a decent darts throw, keeping the dart exactly along the curve.

Diagrammatic animation of a neat darting technique using the 3-lever system
Credits to Tom Neijman from Sitepeople for making this fine animation of throwing mechanics!

Now with the mechanical basics clear, we can go on to discuss the
DOs and DON'Ts of a dart throw.

Before proceeding you can (and you should!) take yourself some time to watch the above animation carefully. First watch each element on its own, then continue to see the whole arrangement, and how each part of it interacts with the others to keep the dart on course.

On Joints and Levers

The shoulder: This is the only point in the whole process that doesn't change its postion. So you must not move (that's a DON'T, yes!) your body when throwing. The only throwing action comes from your arm.

The elbow: It stays in position when moving the dart backward, and on some point in the acceleration phase starts to go up. This is a very intersting thing, because you may have heard the advice that the elbow should also stay fixed during the throw. This is actually wrong. Again, watch the animation: A fixed elbow would force you to release the dart earlier. This is like the difference in accuracy between a pistol and a rifle. The rifle's longer barrel increases accuracy. The same does the longer guidance of the dart, and as we have to keep the dart on course, too, the elbow must be raised in the later phase of throwing. Also note that the hand still follows the way of the dart after we released it. This makes the release easier, because we don't have to find an absolutely exact release point any more. It doesn't matter much if we drag it out a bit, the dart will still stay in a nice flying position anyway.

The wrist: Wrist action is an often discussed subject. In the animation there is not much of it, so you see it is not absolutely necessary. But most pro players use wrist snap because of one reason: It helps in acceleration. Doesn't the way the 3 'levers' move remind you of a whip? If you do wrist snap the tip of our 'whip' (which is, actually, uhm, the dart) will go faster, and therefore you will be able to move the other parts of the lever system slower, thus put less force in your throw, and this will improve accuracy. But there is one danger in wrist snap: It's one more thing that must be controlled, and so one more source for errors. While most experts and pros use it, I wouldn't recommend it to beginners that don't have the natural gift to control it.

The Phases of the Throw

Aiming: Put your eyes, the dart and the target you want to hit in one line. Focus the target, not the dart or that pretty girl/boy just entering the bar. Use aiming points on the target if you like, or aim in a different way, but: Aim!. Most darters do aiming naturally, but surpisingly some beginners don't do from the start. It's a must DO, so do it.

Backward move: Do this, but don't do it too fast. Many beginners fear the necessary loss of aiming during the backward move, but controlling this is only a matter of practice. There are only few successful players out who omit the backward movement, so it's another DO for 99 percent of us. How far you move back is a personal thing, but it's good to move back quite a bit. If you find it comfortable, you can and should move back as far as possible. You can avoid slamming into your eyes or nose by pulling back under your chin or beside your cheek (the one in your FACE, of course!), that depends on your personal technique. A typical error here is not to pull back enough because control of this is difficult, but you will thus sacrifice a lot of acceleration space and accuracy. Better practice more than going the easy way!

Acceleration: Not that crucial as you might think. Do it naturally, and don't do it too fast or with too much force. Do it smoothely in one move and all the way to the follow-through. Remember the elbow coming up. IF you do wrist-snap, then your hand goes forward in this phase until full extension of the whole arm in follow-through.

Release: As wrote above, with the right throwing this comes naturally and is no big problem. If you have troubles with the release point, then most probably you do a technical error, don't raise your elbow or don't do follow-through. This is the critical point for your wrist-snap. The hand must be in the correct angle to the forearm here. If it has travelled further, your dart points down at the release point, and this - well, refer to the 'The Dart' section at the end of this document.

Follow-through: A very important thing. Remember the shotgun-rifle comparison. Best way to follow-through is to end up with your hand aiming at the chosen target. A typical error is to let your arm 'fall down' after the release. Just keep your arm in the straight and slight upward position for a moment, just like in the above animation, and you will get the feeling for follow-through quite fast.

Objects of Desire

The dart: The real object of our desire is last here. Remember to guide the dart along the parabolic curve. In geometric language, your dart must always be in line with the throwing parable's tangent in the point of intersection of your hand and the parable (mph, hope that's even near...). You don't have to tape your throw with a video camera and draw a perfect parable on the TV with this neat everlast paint to achieve this, it usually develops quite naturally (thank god and our stone-throwing-and-thus-animals-killing-for-getting-yummy-food-ancestor's genetic heritage on throwing parables). Keep your attention on the following things: The dart points up in the aiming position. This angle is increased in the backward movement, and it then decreases steadily in the acceleration part. When the dart is released it is nearly horizontally, but still points up a bit. In every circumstances a dart that points down in any of the throwing phases is bad, bad, bad! You got it? That's another DON'T!

Wobble: Almost every beginner's dart wobbles considerably. Pro's and expert's darts hardly ever wobble. Wobbling can have the following reasons:

The dart is accelerated in a curve that's rather anything else than parabolic.
The dart's flight-shaft system doesn't meet the aerodynamic requirements.
Use standard form flights and middle length shafts for a first trouble-shooting.
Somewhere in your throw there is a noticable 'yip' of the arm.
Most probable: The dart points downwards somewhere in your throw.
Highly unlikely: The dart points too much upwards.

"the same sun that melts the wax, hardens the clay"
  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 10:40:17 #11
39712 Gerrit_Knol
It was a funny angle!
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 10:34 schreef infinium het volgende:

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ik gebruik altijd duim, wijsvinger en middelvinger


Ringvinger is een relatief begrip....
  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 10:45:08 #12
63163 Apehaar
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 10:40 schreef Gerrit_Knol het volgende:

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Ringvinger is een relatief begrip....


Evenals de pink...
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 10:38 schreef Litman het volgende:
sorry voor de lang c/p, maar dit is een goede uitleg (in english that is)
<>knip
bedankt! Heb je ook website waar je dit vandaan had ?
probeer deze link, da's pas link !!
  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 10:53:44 #14
15405 stigchel
Dit is waar!
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En, ondanks dat je het iedereen ziet doen, niet naar voren leunen. Dichter naar het bord helpt je geen reet en je krijgt er na 7 sets pijn in je knie van.

Je moet eerst kijken hoe je natuurlijk gooit. Dus pak een pijl, ga staan en smijt hem naar het bord.

Gooi je langzaam, met een lange arm beweging, dan moet je een lange pijl overwegen. Gooi je snel en hard dan is een kortere pijl beter. Verder afstellen naar gewicht en vorm van de flight is persoonlijk.

Probeer je schouder en bovenarm te vergrendelen, die heb je niet nodig.

Probeer niet te mikken. Je raakt in het begin toch niets. Het komt uiteindelijk op gevoel aan. Hoe vaak kun je hetzelfde truckje (precies in dat ene vakje) achter elkaar doen. Ga je geforceerd mikken, dan ben je na een half uur kapot.

Gewoon lekker losjes gaan staan, lekker losjes gooien en over een paar weken eens na gaan denken over waar je pijlen eigenlijk terecht komen.

PS. je hoeft niet door het bord heen. Er net in is goed genoeg

  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 11:52:47 #15
44377 Litman
Live a sunny life!
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 10:52 schreef drdelete het volgende:

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bedankt! Heb je ook website waar je dit vandaan had ?


Yep, hier: http://www.thelucky7.com/darts/dart4.html
"the same sun that melts the wax, hardens the clay"
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veel oefenen

kon ook wel hier lijkt me:
[centraal] DARTS , deel 4

  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 14:00:12 #17
43634 Koos_26
Chantal Janzen
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 12:46 schreef Bartoli het volgende:
veel oefenen

kon ook wel hier lijkt me:
[centraal] DARTS , deel 4


Wannabemod
Hamelen
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 14:00 schreef Koos_26 het volgende:

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Wannabemod


don't call me that ok

en verder nogmaals vele uren oefenen en het lukt je vanzelf wel.

  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 14:07:29 #19
43634 Koos_26
Chantal Janzen
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 14:05 schreef Bartoli het volgende:

[..]

don't call me that ok

en verder nogmaals vele uren oefenen en het lukt je vanzelf wel.


Haai Bartoli

Je had trouwens wel gelijk hoor dat het in een ander topic kon.

Hamelen
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quote:
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 14:07 schreef Koos_26 het volgende:

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Haai Bartoli [afbeelding]

Je had trouwens wel gelijk hoor dat het in een ander topic kon.


  vrijdag 16 januari 2004 @ 15:40:51 #21
30919 mitt
Michael Corleone
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centraal darts topic svp!
Op dinsdag 9 september 2003 13:57 schreef Dr.Daggla het volgende:
[13:57:43] &lt;@Daggla&gt; ik weet ei'k ook niet wie corleone is.. Uit ER ofzo?
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