quote:Je bedoelt die wapens die na de eerste golfoorlog zijn vernietigd ?
Op dinsdag 6 januari 2004 14:07 schreef DrWolffenstein het volgende:[..]
Zijn twee vergaste dorpen niet genoeg of moet jouw hutje op hei er ook nog bij?
quote:En anders was het wel een levering van de VS, Irak kan namelijk geen biologische wapens maken.
Op dinsdag 6 januari 2004 19:53 schreef Strijder het volgende:[..]
Je bedoelt die wapens die na de eerste golfoorlog zijn vernietigd ?
quote:Zo makkelijk gaat dat niet als je omsingeld bent in een gebied met duizenden gewapende iraniers
Nou, dan kunnen ze al die terroristen direct oppakken, dan kan de hele wereld weer rustig slapen.
quote:Het zijn geen grenswachten
Ze hebben toch een CIA die alles weet ?
.. en nee ze weten niet alles maar wel gruwelijk veel. quote:Nee maat.. er zijn labaratoria gevonden en wagens die het zaakje veilig konden vervoeren. Afgetapte telefoon gesprekken.. radio contacten.. overlopers.. en dan nog het deel wat niet openbaar gemaakt mag worden
Hee, mocht je van de artsen weer naar buiten ?
Blair geeft overigens niks toe, hij probeert op een vrij duidelijke manier wanhopig vast te houden aan een leugen die hij zelf heeft doen ontstaan.
Iets waar balkenende ook al inzage in had en aan de hand van deze gegevens is steun gegeven. quote:Ik begrijp je stelling niet.. er is zat bewijs geleverd.. die smerige hoessein is opgepakt.. de "olie geruchten makers" zijn uitgeluld. Wil je sommige dingen niet zien en geloven of is er iets anders met je aan de hand :|
Nou, de enigste die onderuit gaat ben jij ( en dan vriest het nog geen eens... ).
quote:Ja vast.. vandaar dat er geen bewijzen geleverd konden worden en ze niet wilden meewerken met de inspecties
Je bedoelt die wapens die na de eerste golfoorlog zijn vernietigd ?
quote:Ik dacht toch echt dat de VS in Amerika lagen, duizenden kilometers verderop.
Op dinsdag 6 januari 2004 21:54 schreef sanniejj het volgende:[..]
Zo makkelijk gaat dat niet als je omsingeld bent in een gebied met duizenden gewapende iraniers
quote:Nou, gruwelijk veel....
[..]Het zijn geen grenswachten
Hebben ze nu concreet een foto of film of whatever laten zien waarop onomstotelijk was te zien/horen/herkennen/lezen dat Irak mvw's had die een bedreiging waren voor de Amerikaanse veiligheid ?
En dus niet een geluidsbandje wat iedere boer met een geluidsrecorder kan maken, of foto's die nog onduidelijker zijn dan de allereerste foto die ooit is gemaakt. Of getuigenissen die ook daadwerkelijk waar zijn, gewoon door die gemeldde feiten te controleren en dat door een onafhankelijk iets/iemand te laten doen. Je kan daar natuurlijk niet de VN voor nemen, want die zijn zo anti-VS als wat, als ze al niet dood zijn.
quote:Tuurlijk.
[..]Nee maat.. er zijn labaratoria gevonden en wagens die het zaakje veilig konden vervoeren. Afgetapte telefoon gesprekken.. radio contacten.. overlopers.. en dan nog het deel wat niet openbaar gemaakt mag worden
quote:Welk bewijs ( nogmaals ) ?
[..]Ik begrijp je stelling niet.. er is zat bewijs geleverd.. die smerige hoessein is opgepakt.. de "olie geruchten makers" zijn uitgeluld. Wil je sommige dingen niet zien en geloven of is er iets anders met je aan de hand :|
Het zijn geen olie-geruchten, men is niet uitgepraat, ik wil sommige zaken best wel zien en/of geloven.
Alleen niet die onzin waar jij zo voor bent en in een welhaast maniakale manier in gelooft.
quote:Dat ze niet mee wilden werken is niet goed.
[..]Ja vast.. vandaar dat er geen bewijzen geleverd konden worden en ze niet wilden meewerken met de inspecties
Niet dat het veel uitmaakte, want ook nu, ruim een half jaar na het einde van de oorlog, is er nog niets gevonden ( of bewezen gevonden te zijn ).
Je kan wel makkelijk schermen met geheim enzo, je zult toch echt met iets beters moeten komen dan zo'n stompzinnige Powell-point-presentatie. Zeker op wereldniveau.
( En dat terwijl ze daar toch met duizenden en duizenden aanwezig zijn. Je zou toch verwachten dat die, met al die technologie en kennis en kunde, toch meer kunnen doen dan een paar stumpertjes van de VN, nietwaar ? )
quote:De beste man zal dus wel in Nederland zitten
Nizar Najoef, a Syrian journalist who recently defected from Syria to Western Europe and is known for bravely challenging the Syrian regime, said in a letter Monday, January 5, to Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, that he knows the three sites where Iraqs WMD are kept. The storage places are:1. Tunnels dug under the town of al-Baida near the city of Hama in northern Syria. These tunnels are an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long-range missiles are stored in these tunnels.
2. The village of Tal Snan, north of the town of Salamija, where there is a big Syrian airforce camp. Vital parts of Iraqs WMD are stored there.
3. The city of Sjinsjar on the Syrian border with the Lebanon, south of the city Homs.
Najoef writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Husseins Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assads cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family.
In February 2003, a month before Americas invasion in Iraq, DEBKAfile and DEBKA-Net-Weekly were the only media to report the movement of Iraqi WMD, the efforts to bring them from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and his family in the operation.
Najoef, who has won prizes for journalistic integrity, says he wrote his letter because he has terminal cancer.
quote:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=518&ncid=732&e=9&u=/ap/20040115/ap_on_re_eu/netherlands_uranium
Source of Rotterdam Yellowcake Probed
Thu Jan 15, 5:27 PM ETBy TOBY STERLING, Associated Press Writer
AMSTERDAM, Netherlands - A recycling company found uranium oxide a radioactive material also known as yellowcake in a shipment of scrap steel it believes originally came from Iraq (news - web sites), the company said Thursday.
Paul de Bruin, spokesman for Rotterdam-based Jewometaal, said that the shipment was passed on last month from a Jordan metal dealer who was unaware it contained any forbidden materials.
"I've dealt with this man for 15 years and he says he's sure it came from Iraq," De Bruin said. He said Jewometaal had been asked not to reveal the name of the Jordanian exporter while the find was being investigated
Resten van een eerdere ontmanteling van de WMD produktie of recent spul ?
quote:Weer een storm in een glas water
Op vrijdag 16 januari 2004 08:48 schreef CeeJee het volgende:[..]
Resten van een eerdere ontmanteling van de WMD produktie of recent spul ?
quote:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2085848/Yellowcake is a first step toward enriched uranium, but it's a long way from being weapons-grade.
Despite all the hubbub over Saddam Hussein's efforts to buy yellowcake, the stuff is by no means a rare commodity. Worldwide production is currently around 64,000 tons per year
The competition has depressed yellowcake prices just a tad in recent months; a pound now costs about $10.90
quote:http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=484185
Saddam's WMD never existed, says chief American arms inspector
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
24 January 2004David Kay, who stood down yesterday as head of the Bush administration's hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, said that he did not believe that any stockpiles of such weapons ever existed.
Mr Kay, a former UN inspector, said that most of what was going to be found in the hunt for Saddam Hussein's WMD had already been uncovered. The returning of sovereignty to the Iraqis would make the search more difficult, he added. "I don't think they existed," Mr Kay said, referring to Saddam's alleged stockpiles of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. "What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the [1991] Gulf War and I don't think there was a large-scale production programme in the Nineties."
Mr Kay's comments will be an embarrassment for the Bush administration. Earlier this week the Vice-President, Dick Cheney, one of Washington's most outspoken hawks who led the rallying cry for war insisting that Saddam possessed WMD, said the outcome of the search was not clear. "I think the jury is still out," he said. "It's going to take ... time to look in all of the cubby holes and ammo dumps in Iraq."
Despite having the resources of more than 1,000 personnel dedicated to the hunt for such weapons, an interim report issued by Mr Kay in October conceded that no weapons had been found, even though there was evidence Iraq had retained the "template" of a weapons programme.
The Bush administration appears determined to continue its public stance that such weapons could be discovered.
Donald Anderson, the Labour chairman of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said that Mr Kay's comments posed serious problems for British and American intelligence agencies. "My understanding is that the President and the Prime Minister were acting on intelligence then available [at the time of deciding to go to war]. So this raises very important questions about the quality of that intelligence," he told BBC's Newsnight.
A Downing Street spokesman said: "It is important that people are patient and we let the Iraq Survey Group do its work. Their work is continuing and we should await the outcome of that. Our position is unchanged."
Today the former Foreign Secretary Robin Cook said that Mr Blair must now admit that the Iraq war was a mistake.
Mr Cook said he believed Mr Blair led Britain into the conflict in order to demonstrate to US President George Bush that he was a reliable ally and had been driven by "missionary zeal" and "evangelical certainty".
Mr Cook said on BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It is becoming really rather undignified for the Prime Minister to continue to insist that he was right all along when everybody can now see he was wrong, when even the head of the Iraq Survey Group has said he was wrong.
"I think it is very important that Tony Blair does concede that there were mistakes made, maybe in all good faith, probably he believed them genuinely, but there were mistakes. Because if we don't face up to the fact that we got it wrong, then we are not going to learn the lessons.
"We have got to drop this very dangerous doctrine under which we went to war of the pre-emptive strike. If there was no threat from Iraq we obviously had no right to carry out a pre-emptive strike to remove that threat. And we better drop that doctrine before somebody else in the world uses it in their own back yard."
dat iemands levensgeluk evenredig toeneemt met de omvang van zijn ramen."
Benno Barnard
States like these (Iraq, Iran, North Korea) ... constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. The United States of America will not permit the worlds most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the worlds most destructive weapons.
- President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Jan. 29, 2002
The Iraqi regime possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons.... If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today and we do does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?
- President George W. Bush, Cincinnati, Oct. 7, 2002
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of Sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
- President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003
The security of the world requires disarming Saddam Hussein now.
- President George W. Bush, March 17, 2003
We've begun the search for hidden chemical and biological weapons and already know of hundreds of sites that will be investigated. No terrorist network will gain weapons of mass destruction from the Iraqi regime because the regime is no more.
- President George W. Bush, May 1, 2003
We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
- President George W. Bush, May 3, 2003
We based our decisions on good, sound intelligence, and the our people are going to find out the truth. And the truth will say that this intelligence was good intelligence. There's no doubt in my mind.
- President George W. Bush, July 17, 2003
Our coalition has made sure that Iraq's former dictator will never again use weapons of mass destruction. We are interviewing Iraqi citizens and analyzing records of the old regime to reveal the full extent of its weapons programs and its long campaign of deception.
- President George W. Bush Sept. 23, 2003
He (Saddam) had a weapons program.
- President George W. Bush, Oct. 29, 2003
Already the Kay report identified dozens of weapons of mass destruction-related program activities and significant amounts of equipment that Iraq concealed from the United Nations.
- President George W. Bush, State of the Union Address, Jan. 20, 2004
We know from years of intelligence not only our own intelligence services, but other intelligence-gathering organizations that [Saddam] had weapons.
- President George W. Bush, Jan. 27, 2004
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David Kay, top Iraq weapons inspector for the Bush administration, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Jan. 28, 2004: We were almost all wrong.
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dat iemands levensgeluk evenredig toeneemt met de omvang van zijn ramen."
Benno Barnard
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