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Starhopper
Nova is mijn prinses
quote:Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 20:25 schreef michaelmoore het volgende:
Solovyev is het beu om een aardige vent te zijn , hij wil naar het front om de aanval te leiden
Nou ik denk dat het een goed idee is , bajonet op het geweer en te veld
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Op maandag 9 oktober 2023 13:31 schreef Nova het volgende:[/b]
Oh schatje, wat lief van je om dat te zeggen! Jij bent echt een prins op het witte paard voor mij. Met jou voel ik me zo geliefd en speciaal. Laten we nog lang samen genieten van sprookjesachtige avonturen en elkaar verwennen met veel knuffels en kusjes. O+ naar jou, mijn lieve prins! :*
Oh schatje, wat lief van je om dat te zeggen! Jij bent echt een prins op het witte paard voor mij. Met jou voel ik me zo geliefd en speciaal. Laten we nog lang samen genieten van sprookjesachtige avonturen en elkaar verwennen met veel knuffels en kusjes. O+ naar jou, mijn lieve prins! :*
de russen hebben verder ook niets anders dan tactische kernwapens of heel ukraine veranderen in een onleefbare vlaktequote:
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Als de nood aan de man is zijn ze daar blijkbaar toe in staat. Dus: wordt het boots on the ground of zelf kernwapens? Nogmaals: het moet nog maar blijken of die tanks wat gaan uithalen. En als het niks wordt sturen we gevechtsvliegtuigen. Helpt dat? Misschien niet. Nou dan maar zelf er heen. Prima hoor, maar dan moet je ook niet janken dat het nog veel erger kan worden. Er is totaal geen teken van dat dit conflict ook maar minder erg gaat worden. 500k gemobiliseerden er ook bij straks in de lente.
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
Maar hij heeft die zooi al decennia in opslag. Dat kost toch klauwen met geld. Wat was zijn doel? Ze naar Afrika sturen, want westerse landen kunnen niets met een leo1.quote:
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Daar zal hij op wachten denk ik.
En nouja nu de Britten dus.
En misschien onderdelen later?
Zijn bijvoorbeeld die lopen nog wat waard? Gepard zei hij toch?
1/10 Van de rappers dankt zijn bestaan in Amerika aan de Nederlanders die zijn voorouders met een cruiseschip uit hun hongerige landen ophaalde om te werken op prachtige plantages.
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
"Oorlog is de overtreffende trap van concurrentie."
Ah, nu gaat het westen ineens (wellicht) noeks gebruiken.quote:
Waarom gaan wij eigenlijk niet first strike kernwapens gebruiken tegen Rusland? Als alles steeds meer geoorloofd is om Rusland te laten verliezen, nu tanks, straks gevechtsvliegtuigen, dan boots on the ground, etc. Kunnen we toch net zo goed gelijk kernwapens gebruiken op Rusland?
Ik geef toe, het is wel een nieuwe toevoeging aan je oeuvre.
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En ik zie ook niet wat een tactische kernbommetje de Russen precies de overwinning brengt op het slagveld.quote:
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de russen hebben verder ook niets anders dan tactische kernwapens of heel ukraine veranderen in een onleefbare vlakte
Definitely not CIA
een tijdelijk onleefbaar ukrainequote:Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 20:42 schreef capricia het volgende:
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En ik zie ook niet wat een tactische kernbommetje de Russen precies de overwinning brengt op het slagveld.
https://www.startpagina.n(...)chernobyl-honderden/
https://www.kijkmagazine.(...)ernstig-als-gedacht/
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
Ik ontken de bommen niet, zeg wel dat je je af kunt vragen of ze nodig zijn. Zeker de 2e, meted Russen die ook de oorlog verklaard hadden en Japanners die over overgave praatten.quote:
En de meesten pleegden zelfmoord ja?
Wat heb jij moeite zeg met begrijpend lezen en sarcasme of ironie begrijpen zeg.quote:Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 20:41 schreef ExTec het volgende:
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Ah, nu gaat het westen ineens (wellicht) noeks gebruiken.
Ik geef toe, het is wel een nieuwe toevoeging aan je oeuvre.
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A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
Send Nudes, not Nukes!quote:
Fuck het gaat weer over nukes..
Excuus voor mijn bijdrage hieraan !
Vakman pur sang
van de generaals pleegden er verschillenden zelfmoord omdat ze nooit wilden overgevenquote:
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Ik ontken de bommen niet, zeg wel dat je je af kunt vragen of ze nodig zijn. Zeker de 2e, meted Russen die ook de oorlog verklaard hadden en Japanners die over overgave praatten.
En de meesten pleegden zelfmoord ja?
harikiri dus
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
Zoiets als 'als wij het niet krijgen, krijgt niemand het'?quote:
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een tijdelijk onleefbaar ukraine
https://www.startpagina.n(...)chernobyl-honderden/
https://www.kijkmagazine.(...)ernstig-als-gedacht/
Definitely not CIA
Voor de liefhebbers van geweld en de wereld van veiligheidsdiensten, snipers en knappe joodse vrouwen, Fauda seizoen 4 is uit op Netflix. 
Vakman pur sang
Het is gewoon puur een theoretische discussie. Steeds "NOOEEKS" om het onderwerp af te breken is ook irritant. Hangt per user af trouwens. De één reageert wel normaal en de ander loop gelijk weer te kankeren. Kinderachtig gedrag wel steeds.quote:
Fuck het gaat weer over nukes..
Excuus voor mijn bijdrage hieraan !
A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
nee, kernbommen maken een land niet voor eeuwig onfleefbaarquote:
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Zoiets als 'als wij het niet krijgen, krijgt niemand het'?
https://www.kijkmagazine.(...)ernstig-als-gedacht/
Gezondheidsproblemen na atoombom Hiroshima overtrokken
quote:Mens Marysa van den Berg 11-08-2016 16:00:13
Atoombom op Nagasaki
Overlevenden van de bombardementen van Hiroshima en Nagasaki hadden op lange termijn inderdaad vaker kanker, maar niet zo vaak als werd gevreesd.
Hun kinderen ervaren zelfs helemaal geen extra gezondheidsproblemen.
Begin augustus 1945 werd op de Japanse steden Hiroshima en Nagasaki een atoombom gegooid. Het resulteerde in dood en verderf onder de bevolking.
In de tientallen jaren daarna zouden de langetermijneffecten van de straling hebben geleid tot een stortvloed aan kanker, doodgeboortes en geboortedefecten.
Ook de kinderen van de overlevenden zouden er nog de gevolgen van voelen.
Maar de werkelijkheid ligt net even anders.
De gezondheidseffecten van de bombardementen op langere termijn blijken toch niet zo ernstig als gedacht.
Dat blijkt uit een review-studie van Bertrand Jordan van de Aix-Marseille-Universiteit.
Batterij aan medische en genetische tests
De moleculair bioloog vatte zestig jaar onderzoek samen. De bekeken studies volgden samen een leven lang 100.000 overlevenden (de helft van alle overlevenden), 77.000 van hun kinderen en 20.000 inwoners van Hiroshima en Nagasaki die ten tijde van de ramp niet in de buurt waren.
De deelnemers werden onderworpen aan een batterij medische en genetische tests.
Ook werd hun precieze locatie ten tijde van de bombardementen vastgesteld, om zo een idee te hebben van de stralingsdosis waaraan ze blootstonden.
Er bleken zich inderdaad meer gevallen van kanker voor te doen in de groep overlevenden ten opzichte van de groep mensen die niet blootstonden aan de straling.
Hoe dichter bij de stralingsbron, hoe groter de kans op kanker. Toch ging het slechts om een stijging van 10 procent.
Oftewel: veruit de meest overlevenden kregen geen kanker, ondanks blootstelling aan een hoge dosis straling.
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
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De 6000 kernbommen van de Russen is wellicht nog een relevant detail dat je in je strategie moet betrekken.
noeks!
Ze hadden beter Sudoku kunnen doenquote:
van de generaals pleegden er verschillenden zelfmoord omdat ze nooit wilden overgeven
harikiri dus
Misschien moet je je eens afvragen of deze topic reeks wel de plek is waar jij je obsessie met die dingen kunt bevredigen.quote:
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Het is gewoon puur een theoretische discussie. Steeds "NOOEEKS" om het onderwerp af te breken is ook irritant. Hangt per user af trouwens. De één reageert wel normaal en de ander loop gelijk weer te kankeren. Kinderachtig gedrag wel steeds.
Zomaar een idee.
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Meeste Japanners in het leger zei je.quote:
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van de generaals pleegden er verschillenden zelfmoord omdat ze nooit wilden overgeven
harikiri dus
En 3e nuke had je het over.
Nou en? Als ze aan het verliezen zijn, breng dan alles er maar mee ten onder. Zo'n resentiment kan ik zeker wel begrijpen. Moet je nagaan als je de machtigste man bent van een land en totaal ideologisch bevlogen. Voor hem is het leven of dood. Oja en wellicht kanker.quote:
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de russen hebben verder ook niets anders dan tactische kernwapens of heel ukraine veranderen in een onleefbare vlakte
A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
de meesten generaals danquote:
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Meeste Japanners in het leger zei je.
ja de 3 nuke is teruggekeerdquote:En 3e nuke had je het over.
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
Marokko gaat in ieder geval soviet tanks leveren aan Oekraïne.quote:
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Oekraïne heeft toch in het begin meerdere Soviet jets gekregen?
Allah Al Watan Al Malik
Jouw lage intelligentie helpt zeker niet mee nee. Obsessie? Dude. Wat ik zei: het is gewoon theoretisch. Deze discussie was er ook al in de koude oorlog. Hadden Reagan, Kruschev, etc. een obsessie? Nee, die dachten gewoon rationeel na over de wereld in die tijd.quote:Op donderdag 26 januari 2023 20:52 schreef ExTec het volgende:
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Misschien moet je je eens afvragen of deze topic reeks wel de plek is waar jij je obsessie met die dingen kunt bevredigen.
Zomaar een idee.
Je bent zo verschrikkelijk kinderachtig met je circlejerk steeds.
A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
Zelfs het bloedfanatieke Japan en Nazi-Duitsland gingen daar niet toe over maar deze keer zal het heus wel anders zijn hoor!quote:
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Nou en? Als ze aan het verliezen zijn, breng dan alles er maar mee ten onder. Zo'n resentiment kan ik zeker wel begrijpen. Moet je nagaan als je de machtigste man bent van een land en totaal ideologisch bevlogen. Voor hem is het leven of dood. Oja en wellicht kanker.
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Die hadden die optie ook helemaal niet. De VS wel. En die hebben daar vaker over nagedacht: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_of_Douglas_MacArthurquote:
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Zelfs het bloedfanatieke Japan en Nazi-Duitsland gingen daar niet toe over maar deze keer zal het heus wel anders zijn hoor!
A Robin Redbreast in a Cage Puts all Heaven in a Rage.
Ik weet het. Vrijwel iedereen weet het hier. Je wil hier, dag in, dag uit graag praten over de "theoretische mogelijkheid dat er noeks gebruikt worden".quote:
Wat ik zei: het is gewoon theoretisch.
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Western Tanks Are Coming to Ukraine, but Will They Be Enough?
Western allies have pledged to send at least 105 tanks, far less than Ukraine says it needs, and it may be months before they join the battle.
The decisions by Germany and the United States to send battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing months of resistance, on Wednesday prompted additional pledges from across Europe and predictions of victory over Russia. But it may be months before the tanks rumble across the battlefield.
“These can help Ukraine to defend itself, win and prevail as an independent nation,” said Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s secretary general. “Soon to be a regular sight prowling the fields of Ukraine,” Britain’s Defense Ministry crowed in a Twitter post with a photo of a German Leopard 2 tank and a British-made Challenger 2 tank chewing up a muddy training field in Poland.
But not that soon. Ukrainian troops still need to be trained to use the powerful Western war machines, and moving them into the conflict zone is far from an easy task. The tanks that were promised by Berlin and Washington will not be delivered until spring or summer at the earliest — not in time to help Ukraine defend hotly contested towns and cities near Bakhmut, in the country’s east, where Russian forces have been recently advancing in a grueling ground assault.
The more immediate payoff from the announcements on Wednesday may be in providing a pathway for about a dozen other European countries to donate their own German-made Leopard 2s to Ukraine — a step that would not have been taken without Berlin’s consent and a parallel promise by Washington to contribute its M1 Abrams tanks.
“Sending the Abrams appears to have been the key to unlocking the Leopards, which will probably get to Ukraine much faster,” said Sophia Besch, an expert on European defense issues at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.
Here is a look at what happens next.
Which countries are donating Western tanks, and how many?
The biggest donation is coming from the United States — 31 M1 Abrams, enough to supply one Ukrainian military battalion. The Abrams is one of the most sophisticated tank systems in the world, but it requires specific training, technology for its parts and generally on specialized fuels to keep it running dependably. On Wednesday, American officials said it would be at least months before the Abrams could be delivered — and would not elaborate — although other experts said it could take at least a year.
Britain, Germany and Poland have each committed to sending 14 tanks, with London predicting delivery of its Challenger 2s within weeks. Germany’s defense minister, Boris Pistorius, forecast it would take Berlin three or four months to ship its Leopard 2 tanks.
Poland has signaled it is already prepared to send its own Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Portugal has said it could give four Leopard 2s, and Norway has said it could send eight more. Other pledges to give Leopard 2s — but without specifying how many — have been made by Spain, Finland and the Netherlands. And France is considering giving Ukraine an unspecified number of its Leclerc battle tanks.
Additionally, Denmark has said it could send 20 Swiss-made Piranha tanks to Ukraine once the government in Bern agrees they could be re-exported — a process that moved forward last weekend after being stalled for months.
In all, that means at least 105 Western tanks have been committed — in principle at least.
Is that enough?
Ukrainian military officials have long said they need at least 300 Western tanks to make a difference in the war. That “is a lot of tanks at the national level,” according to an analysis on Wednesday by Janes, the London-based intelligence firm.
European militaries are holding at least 2,000 Leopard 2 tanks — and hundreds of other kinds of Western battle tanks. The Russians also have thousands of tanks still available in what has become a war of rapid attrition, said David Silbey, a military historian at Cornell University who specializes in battlefield analysis.
“The West will never manage a one-to-one match for those numbers,” Mr. Silbey said. “But, given the quality advantage of the Leopard or Abrams over even the most modern Russian tank, if the West could supply 500 to 1,000 tanks, it would make a massive difference to the Ukrainians and to the war.”
When will Ukrainian troops be ready to use them?
Some will be arriving in British training camps in the coming days to start training on the Challenger 2 tanks that London committed to this month, according to Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to the United Kingdom.
Some former military officials and experts have challenged claims — mostly by the United States — that it could take months to train Ukraine’s forces to use the tanks. They note that the Ukrainian troops selected to crew them will have already been trained on Soviet-era tanks. So learning to operate the Leopard 2 tanks, which run on diesel fuel and are easier to operate than M1 Abrams, could take only three to four weeks “to achieve a basic proficiency,” the International Institute for Strategic Studies said this month.
American officials, who briefed journalists on condition of anonymity on Wednesday, described a far more complicated process for the M1 Abrams, involving training not just for operating the tanks, but also for maintaining them. Part of that process will involve building a stable supply chain to ensure the tanks are getting the fuel, parts and other assistance they would need on the front lines.
While the Abrams may not arrive on the battlefield for what one U.S. official described as “some time,” training Ukrainian troops to use them will begin quickly. Already, American troops in Germany are training Ukrainian forces on a range of combined and coordinated weapons, including armored combat vehicles.
Will they have enough ammunition?
Dwindling supplies of ammunition have been a bane for Ukraine’s forces almost since the start of the war, reliant as they are on diminishing stores of munitions that fit their Soviet-era tanks and other weapons. Captured Russian tanks have been an essential stop gap for Ukraine, but spare parts for them are often hard to acquire, according to Ukrainian soldiers.
The Western-made tanks use ammunition that is compatible with NATO stocks, meaning that they could be replenished by any of the 30 member states of the military alliance or their partners. The tanks will be delivered with some extra ammunition supplies. Still, the war has so drained Western stockpiles that some allies are growing nervous about whether they will have enough for other potential conflicts or even their own self-defense.
While the new Western tanks are essential for any future Ukrainian offensive operations, they may prove a headache for Ukraine’s legions of supply officers. The German and American tanks have different parts and maintenance regimes, and both fire types of ammunition different from those of the Soviet-era tanks that Ukraine currently fields.
How will they get to the battlefield?
The process of delivering Western weapons and other military equipment to Ukraine has been one of the most heavily guarded secrets of the war.
Concerns that Russia will target roads, railways or staging grounds for the matériel has required what officials and experts described as stealthy convoys, usually disguised or cloaked in darkness, to evade attack. Former Western military officials and experts described a patchwork of delivery routes, largely originating from hubs in Poland, Slovakia and Germany, that will be crucial to getting tanks, armored fighting vehicles and huge guns to the front line.
Most of the weapons will be shipped either on rail cars or flatbed trucks that are strong enough to carry their huge weight. Rail is generally the fastest and safest way to move armor, experts said, given that long convoys of flatbed trucks would most likely attract Russia’s attention. It would take too much time, fuel and spare parts to drive the tanks and other armored vehicles to the battlefield, experts said. They would also become, in essence, a moving target for Russian warplanes.
The risks are so daunting — and worries over provoking Russia are so high — that, instead of Western forces or contractors delivering them to the conflict zone, Ukrainian troops are required to retrieve the weapons from depots in NATO territory.
NY Times
Western allies have pledged to send at least 105 tanks, far less than Ukraine says it needs, and it may be months before they join the battle.
The decisions by Germany and the United States to send battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing months of resistance, on Wednesday prompted additional pledges from across Europe and predictions of victory over Russia. But it may be months before the tanks rumble across the battlefield.
“These can help Ukraine to defend itself, win and prevail as an independent nation,” said Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s secretary general. “Soon to be a regular sight prowling the fields of Ukraine,” Britain’s Defense Ministry crowed in a Twitter post with a photo of a German Leopard 2 tank and a British-made Challenger 2 tank chewing up a muddy training field in Poland.
But not that soon. Ukrainian troops still need to be trained to use the powerful Western war machines, and moving them into the conflict zone is far from an easy task. The tanks that were promised by Berlin and Washington will not be delivered until spring or summer at the earliest — not in time to help Ukraine defend hotly contested towns and cities near Bakhmut, in the country’s east, where Russian forces have been recently advancing in a grueling ground assault.
The more immediate payoff from the announcements on Wednesday may be in providing a pathway for about a dozen other European countries to donate their own German-made Leopard 2s to Ukraine — a step that would not have been taken without Berlin’s consent and a parallel promise by Washington to contribute its M1 Abrams tanks.
“Sending the Abrams appears to have been the key to unlocking the Leopards, which will probably get to Ukraine much faster,” said Sophia Besch, an expert on European defense issues at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.
Here is a look at what happens next.
Which countries are donating Western tanks, and how many?
The biggest donation is coming from the United States — 31 M1 Abrams, enough to supply one Ukrainian military battalion. The Abrams is one of the most sophisticated tank systems in the world, but it requires specific training, technology for its parts and generally on specialized fuels to keep it running dependably. On Wednesday, American officials said it would be at least months before the Abrams could be delivered — and would not elaborate — although other experts said it could take at least a year.
Britain, Germany and Poland have each committed to sending 14 tanks, with London predicting delivery of its Challenger 2s within weeks. Germany’s defense minister, Boris Pistorius, forecast it would take Berlin three or four months to ship its Leopard 2 tanks.
Poland has signaled it is already prepared to send its own Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Portugal has said it could give four Leopard 2s, and Norway has said it could send eight more. Other pledges to give Leopard 2s — but without specifying how many — have been made by Spain, Finland and the Netherlands. And France is considering giving Ukraine an unspecified number of its Leclerc battle tanks.
Additionally, Denmark has said it could send 20 Swiss-made Piranha tanks to Ukraine once the government in Bern agrees they could be re-exported — a process that moved forward last weekend after being stalled for months.
In all, that means at least 105 Western tanks have been committed — in principle at least.
Is that enough?
Ukrainian military officials have long said they need at least 300 Western tanks to make a difference in the war. That “is a lot of tanks at the national level,” according to an analysis on Wednesday by Janes, the London-based intelligence firm.
European militaries are holding at least 2,000 Leopard 2 tanks — and hundreds of other kinds of Western battle tanks. The Russians also have thousands of tanks still available in what has become a war of rapid attrition, said David Silbey, a military historian at Cornell University who specializes in battlefield analysis.
“The West will never manage a one-to-one match for those numbers,” Mr. Silbey said. “But, given the quality advantage of the Leopard or Abrams over even the most modern Russian tank, if the West could supply 500 to 1,000 tanks, it would make a massive difference to the Ukrainians and to the war.”
When will Ukrainian troops be ready to use them?
Some will be arriving in British training camps in the coming days to start training on the Challenger 2 tanks that London committed to this month, according to Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to the United Kingdom.
Some former military officials and experts have challenged claims — mostly by the United States — that it could take months to train Ukraine’s forces to use the tanks. They note that the Ukrainian troops selected to crew them will have already been trained on Soviet-era tanks. So learning to operate the Leopard 2 tanks, which run on diesel fuel and are easier to operate than M1 Abrams, could take only three to four weeks “to achieve a basic proficiency,” the International Institute for Strategic Studies said this month.
American officials, who briefed journalists on condition of anonymity on Wednesday, described a far more complicated process for the M1 Abrams, involving training not just for operating the tanks, but also for maintaining them. Part of that process will involve building a stable supply chain to ensure the tanks are getting the fuel, parts and other assistance they would need on the front lines.
While the Abrams may not arrive on the battlefield for what one U.S. official described as “some time,” training Ukrainian troops to use them will begin quickly. Already, American troops in Germany are training Ukrainian forces on a range of combined and coordinated weapons, including armored combat vehicles.
Will they have enough ammunition?
Dwindling supplies of ammunition have been a bane for Ukraine’s forces almost since the start of the war, reliant as they are on diminishing stores of munitions that fit their Soviet-era tanks and other weapons. Captured Russian tanks have been an essential stop gap for Ukraine, but spare parts for them are often hard to acquire, according to Ukrainian soldiers.
The Western-made tanks use ammunition that is compatible with NATO stocks, meaning that they could be replenished by any of the 30 member states of the military alliance or their partners. The tanks will be delivered with some extra ammunition supplies. Still, the war has so drained Western stockpiles that some allies are growing nervous about whether they will have enough for other potential conflicts or even their own self-defense.
While the new Western tanks are essential for any future Ukrainian offensive operations, they may prove a headache for Ukraine’s legions of supply officers. The German and American tanks have different parts and maintenance regimes, and both fire types of ammunition different from those of the Soviet-era tanks that Ukraine currently fields.
How will they get to the battlefield?
The process of delivering Western weapons and other military equipment to Ukraine has been one of the most heavily guarded secrets of the war.
Concerns that Russia will target roads, railways or staging grounds for the matériel has required what officials and experts described as stealthy convoys, usually disguised or cloaked in darkness, to evade attack. Former Western military officials and experts described a patchwork of delivery routes, largely originating from hubs in Poland, Slovakia and Germany, that will be crucial to getting tanks, armored fighting vehicles and huge guns to the front line.
Most of the weapons will be shipped either on rail cars or flatbed trucks that are strong enough to carry their huge weight. Rail is generally the fastest and safest way to move armor, experts said, given that long convoys of flatbed trucks would most likely attract Russia’s attention. It would take too much time, fuel and spare parts to drive the tanks and other armored vehicles to the battlefield, experts said. They would also become, in essence, a moving target for Russian warplanes.
The risks are so daunting — and worries over provoking Russia are so high — that, instead of Western forces or contractors delivering them to the conflict zone, Ukrainian troops are required to retrieve the weapons from depots in NATO territory.
NY Times
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de meesten generaals dan
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ja de 3 nuke is teruggekeerd
Tering wat een saai/slecht filmpje zeg... na de 1e drie minuten heb ik het maar weer uitgezet omdat ik er niets wijzer van werd. Hoe kan dat kanaal 793k subscribers hebben?quote:
Nee, ze hadden geen toegang tot nucleaire wapens. Maar ze hadden wel degelijk de middelen om enorme verwoestingen aan te richten onder het motto "maakt toch niets meer uit als we verliezen" (Hitler had ook daadwerkelijk zo'n bevel uitgevaardigt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree) maar in de praktijk zijn wordt het nooit uitgevoerd. Uiteindelijk zijn er altijd wel voldoende mensen die besluiten dat ze wel iets hebben om voor te leven en ik zie niet in waarom dat nu in Rusland anders zou moeten zijn. Al helemaal omdat er onder Poetin niet veel meer dan een verzameling dieven zit die toch alleen maar meewaaien met wat voor wind ze het meeste geld oplevert.quote:
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Die hadden die optie ook helemaal niet. De VS wel. En die hebben daar vaker over nagedacht: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relief_of_Douglas_MacArthur
De man met de snor gaf ook de opdracht aan het einde om heel DE te vernietigen. Want DE verdiende het niet meer om te bestaan ofzo. Alleen: aan heel veel van zijn opdrachten werd geen gehoor gegeven.quote:
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Zelfs het bloedfanatieke Japan en Nazi-Duitsland gingen daar niet toe over maar deze keer zal het heus wel anders zijn hoor!
Zou je toch een aardig idee moeten geven van wat er waarschijnlijk gebeurt op het moment dat het top wappie het in z'n bol krijgt en denkt: na mij de zondvloed. Want tja, dat loop je tegen het feit aan dat lang niet iedereen het bestaan op wil geven.
Maar dat zijn aan dovemans oren gerichte argumenten, voor zij die :"de hele dag, elke dag, willen praten over de theoretische mogelijkheid dat er noeks gebruikt worden".
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Op een gegeven moment is de discussie wel gevoerd, als geen van beide kanten in wil binden of concreet met wat nieuws komt, dan kun je er beter mee stoppen. Of vervolgen in een apart topic.quote:
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Het is gewoon puur een theoretische discussie. Steeds "NOOEEKS" om het onderwerp af te breken is ook irritant. Hangt per user af trouwens. De één reageert wel normaal en de ander loop gelijk weer te kankeren. Kinderachtig gedrag wel steeds.
Geen idee, maar ik vond het wel een heldere uitleg.quote:
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Tering wat een saai/slecht filmpje zeg... na de 1e drie minuten heb ik het maar weer uitgezet omdat ik er niets wijzer van werd. Hoe kan dat kanaal 793k subscribers hebben?
I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.
Die oorlog duurt nog wel even.quote:
Western Tanks Are Coming to Ukraine, but Will They Be Enough?
Western allies have pledged to send at least 105 tanks, far less than Ukraine says it needs, and it may be months before they join the battle.
The decisions by Germany and the United States to send battle tanks to Ukraine, reversing months of resistance, on Wednesday prompted additional pledges from across Europe and predictions of victory over Russia. But it may be months before the tanks rumble across the battlefield.
“These can help Ukraine to defend itself, win and prevail as an independent nation,” said Jens Stoltenberg, NATO’s secretary general. “Soon to be a regular sight prowling the fields of Ukraine,” Britain’s Defense Ministry crowed in a Twitter post with a photo of a German Leopard 2 tank and a British-made Challenger 2 tank chewing up a muddy training field in Poland.
But not that soon. Ukrainian troops still need to be trained to use the powerful Western war machines, and moving them into the conflict zone is far from an easy task. The tanks that were promised by Berlin and Washington will not be delivered until spring or summer at the earliest — not in time to help Ukraine defend hotly contested towns and cities near Bakhmut, in the country’s east, where Russian forces have been recently advancing in a grueling ground assault.
The more immediate payoff from the announcements on Wednesday may be in providing a pathway for about a dozen other European countries to donate their own German-made Leopard 2s to Ukraine — a step that would not have been taken without Berlin’s consent and a parallel promise by Washington to contribute its M1 Abrams tanks.
“Sending the Abrams appears to have been the key to unlocking the Leopards, which will probably get to Ukraine much faster,” said Sophia Besch, an expert on European defense issues at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington.
Here is a look at what happens next.
Which countries are donating Western tanks, and how many?
The biggest donation is coming from the United States — 31 M1 Abrams, enough to supply one Ukrainian military battalion. The Abrams is one of the most sophisticated tank systems in the world, but it requires specific training, technology for its parts and generally on specialized fuels to keep it running dependably. On Wednesday, American officials said it would be at least months before the Abrams could be delivered — and would not elaborate — although other experts said it could take at least a year.
Britain, Germany and Poland have each committed to sending 14 tanks, with London predicting delivery of its Challenger 2s within weeks. Germany’s defense minister, Boris Pistorius, forecast it would take Berlin three or four months to ship its Leopard 2 tanks.
Poland has signaled it is already prepared to send its own Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine. Portugal has said it could give four Leopard 2s, and Norway has said it could send eight more. Other pledges to give Leopard 2s — but without specifying how many — have been made by Spain, Finland and the Netherlands. And France is considering giving Ukraine an unspecified number of its Leclerc battle tanks.
Additionally, Denmark has said it could send 20 Swiss-made Piranha tanks to Ukraine once the government in Bern agrees they could be re-exported — a process that moved forward last weekend after being stalled for months.
In all, that means at least 105 Western tanks have been committed — in principle at least.
Is that enough?
Ukrainian military officials have long said they need at least 300 Western tanks to make a difference in the war. That “is a lot of tanks at the national level,” according to an analysis on Wednesday by Janes, the London-based intelligence firm.
European militaries are holding at least 2,000 Leopard 2 tanks — and hundreds of other kinds of Western battle tanks. The Russians also have thousands of tanks still available in what has become a war of rapid attrition, said David Silbey, a military historian at Cornell University who specializes in battlefield analysis.
“The West will never manage a one-to-one match for those numbers,” Mr. Silbey said. “But, given the quality advantage of the Leopard or Abrams over even the most modern Russian tank, if the West could supply 500 to 1,000 tanks, it would make a massive difference to the Ukrainians and to the war.”
When will Ukrainian troops be ready to use them?
Some will be arriving in British training camps in the coming days to start training on the Challenger 2 tanks that London committed to this month, according to Vadym Prystaiko, Ukraine’s ambassador to the United Kingdom.
Some former military officials and experts have challenged claims — mostly by the United States — that it could take months to train Ukraine’s forces to use the tanks. They note that the Ukrainian troops selected to crew them will have already been trained on Soviet-era tanks. So learning to operate the Leopard 2 tanks, which run on diesel fuel and are easier to operate than M1 Abrams, could take only three to four weeks “to achieve a basic proficiency,” the International Institute for Strategic Studies said this month.
American officials, who briefed journalists on condition of anonymity on Wednesday, described a far more complicated process for the M1 Abrams, involving training not just for operating the tanks, but also for maintaining them. Part of that process will involve building a stable supply chain to ensure the tanks are getting the fuel, parts and other assistance they would need on the front lines.
While the Abrams may not arrive on the battlefield for what one U.S. official described as “some time,” training Ukrainian troops to use them will begin quickly. Already, American troops in Germany are training Ukrainian forces on a range of combined and coordinated weapons, including armored combat vehicles.
Will they have enough ammunition?
Dwindling supplies of ammunition have been a bane for Ukraine’s forces almost since the start of the war, reliant as they are on diminishing stores of munitions that fit their Soviet-era tanks and other weapons. Captured Russian tanks have been an essential stop gap for Ukraine, but spare parts for them are often hard to acquire, according to Ukrainian soldiers.
The Western-made tanks use ammunition that is compatible with NATO stocks, meaning that they could be replenished by any of the 30 member states of the military alliance or their partners. The tanks will be delivered with some extra ammunition supplies. Still, the war has so drained Western stockpiles that some allies are growing nervous about whether they will have enough for other potential conflicts or even their own self-defense.
While the new Western tanks are essential for any future Ukrainian offensive operations, they may prove a headache for Ukraine’s legions of supply officers. The German and American tanks have different parts and maintenance regimes, and both fire types of ammunition different from those of the Soviet-era tanks that Ukraine currently fields.
How will they get to the battlefield?
The process of delivering Western weapons and other military equipment to Ukraine has been one of the most heavily guarded secrets of the war.
Concerns that Russia will target roads, railways or staging grounds for the matériel has required what officials and experts described as stealthy convoys, usually disguised or cloaked in darkness, to evade attack. Former Western military officials and experts described a patchwork of delivery routes, largely originating from hubs in Poland, Slovakia and Germany, that will be crucial to getting tanks, armored fighting vehicles and huge guns to the front line.
Most of the weapons will be shipped either on rail cars or flatbed trucks that are strong enough to carry their huge weight. Rail is generally the fastest and safest way to move armor, experts said, given that long convoys of flatbed trucks would most likely attract Russia’s attention. It would take too much time, fuel and spare parts to drive the tanks and other armored vehicles to the battlefield, experts said. They would also become, in essence, a moving target for Russian warplanes.
The risks are so daunting — and worries over provoking Russia are so high — that, instead of Western forces or contractors delivering them to the conflict zone, Ukrainian troops are required to retrieve the weapons from depots in NATO territory.
NY Times
zeker het Russische leger zit vol met corrupte generaals die dol zijn op het rijke corrupte leven en een kernbom absoluut zullen tegenhoudenquote:
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Nee, ze hadden geen toegang tot nucleaire wapens. Maar ze hadden wel degelijk de middelen om enorme verwoestingen aan te richten onder het motto "maakt toch niets meer uit als we verliezen" (Hitler had ook daadwerkelijk zo'n bevel uitgevaardigt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero_Decree) maar in de praktijk zijn wordt het nooit uitgevoerd. Uiteindelijk zijn er altijd wel voldoende mensen die besluiten dat ze wel iets hebben om voor te leven en ik zie niet in waarom dat nu in Rusland anders zou moeten zijn. Al helemaal omdat er onder Poetin niet veel meer dan een verzameling dieven zit die toch alleen maar meewaaien met wat voor wind ze het meeste geld oplevert.
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
Dat weet je nooitquote:
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Die oorlog duurt nog wel even.
Meestal als allebei de vechtersbazen uitgebreid hun spierballen laten zien, is het einde soms nabij
When people do counterfeiting , they go to jail , when public servants do that they get re-elected
Seizoen 1 ooit begonnen misschien nog een kans geven..quote:
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Ik zag deze staan. Heeft iemand hem gezien en kijkt hij zo surrealistisch als hoe ik denk dat hij kijkt?
