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"Smoking gun"? Het zou vreemd zijn als ze zo'n mogelijkheden niet bespraken, dat doen ze in het Westen ook.

Zo wordt genome editing genoemd in de Worldwide Threat Assessment of the US Intelligence Community.

Next Generation Bioweapons: paper uit 2002 met ondermeer "Six Paths to Enhance Biothreats".

CRISPR is Making Bioweapons More Accessible
etc.

Voeren ze lab experimenten uit? Mogelijk, maar ik verwacht dat de VS een uitgebreider onderzoeksprogramma heeft dan China: ze hebben de meeste BSL-4 labs, en na de anthrax aanvallen in 2001 werd biosecurity research flink uitgebreid. Veel verschil is er niet tussen lab research voor "defense against biological threats" of voor een "bioweapons program", beiden ontwikkelen potentiele wapens. Net zoals Novichoks ook in Westerse labs (zoals Porton Down, UK) gemaakt werden. Een Iraans lab maakte ze zelfs op vraag van de OPCW, om hun database aan te vullen (bvb liquid chromatography data waarmee je ze kan opsporen/identificeren).
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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China was preparing for a Third World War with biological weapons - including coronavirus - SIX years ago, according to dossier produced by the People's Liberation Army in 2015 and uncovered by the US State Department

-Beijing has considered the military potential of SARS coronaviruses since 2015

-The bombshell document was accessed by US State Department investigators

-Scientists examined manipulation of diseases 'in a way never seen before'

-Foreign affairs committee's Tom Tugendhat says evidence is a 'major concern'


Chinese scientists have been preparing for a Third World War fought with biological and genetic weapons including coronavirus for the last six years, according to a document obtained by US investigators.

The bombshell paper, accessed by the US State Department, insists they will be 'the core weapon for victory' in such a conflict, even outlining the perfect conditions to release a bioweapon, and documenting the impact it would have on 'the enemy's medical system'.

This latest evidence that Beijing considered the military potential of SARS coronaviruses from as early as 2015 has also raised fresh fears over the cause of Covid-19, with some officials still believing the virus could have escaped from a Chinese lab.

The dossier by People's Liberation Army scientists and health officials, details of which were reported in The Australian, examined the manipulation of diseases to make weapons 'in a way never seen before'.

Senior government figures say it 'raises major concerns' over the intentions of those close to Chinese President Xi Jinping amid growing fears about the country's lack of regulation over its activity in laboratories.

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https://www.dailymail.co.(...)vestigators-say.html
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
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Lang artikel van de Bulletin of Atomic Scientists

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan?

The COVID-19 pandemic has disrupted lives the world over for more than a year. Its death toll will soon reach three million people. Yet the origin of pandemic remains uncertain: The political agendas of governments and scientists have generated thick clouds of obfuscation, which the mainstream press seems helpless to dispel.

In what follows I will sort through the available scientific facts, which hold many clues as to what happened, and provide readers with the evidence to make their own judgments. I will then try to assess the complex issue of blame, which starts with, but extends far beyond, the government of China.

By the end of this article, you may have learned a lot about the molecular biology of viruses. I will try to keep this process as painless as possible. But the science cannot be avoided because for now, and probably for a long time hence, it offers the only sure thread through the maze.

The virus that caused the pandemic is known officially as SARS-CoV-2, but can be called SARS2 for short. As many people know, there are two main theories about its origin. One is that it jumped naturally from wildlife to people. The other is that the virus was under study in a lab, from which it escaped. It matters a great deal which is the case if we hope to prevent a second such occurrence.

I’ll describe the two theories, explain why each is plausible, and then ask which provides the better explanation of the available facts. It’s important to note that so far there is no direct evidence for either theory. Each depends on a set of reasonable conjectures but so far lacks proof. So I have only clues, not conclusions, to offer. But those clues point in a specific direction. And having inferred that direction, I’m going to delineate some of the strands in this tangled skein of disaster.

A tale of two theories. After the pandemic first broke out in December 2019, Chinese authorities reported that many cases had occurred in the wet market — a place selling wild animals for meat — in Wuhan. This reminded experts of the SARS1 epidemic of 2002, in which a bat virus had spread first to civets, an animal sold in wet markets, and from civets to people. A similar bat virus caused a second epidemic, known as MERS, in 2012. This time the intermediary host animal was camels.

The decoding of the virus’s genome showed it belonged a viral family known as beta-coronaviruses, to which the SARS1 and MERS viruses also belong. The relationship supported the idea that, like them, it was a natural virus that had managed to jump from bats, via another animal host, to people. The wet market connection, the major point of similarity with the SARS1 and MERS epidemics, was soon broken: Chinese researchers found earlier cases in Wuhan with no link to the wet market. But that seemed not to matter when so much further evidence in support of natural emergence was expected shortly.

Wuhan, however, is home of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a leading world center for research on coronaviruses. So the possibility that the SARS2 virus had escaped from the lab could not be ruled out. Two reasonable scenarios of origin were on the table.

From early on, public and media perceptions were shaped in favor of the natural emergence scenario by strong statements from two scientific groups. These statements were not at first examined as critically as they should have been.

“We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” a group of virologists and others wrote in the Lancet on February 19, 2020, when it was really far too soon for anyone to be sure what had happened. Scientists “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife,” they said, with a stirring rallying call for readers to stand with Chinese colleagues on the frontline of fighting the disease.

Contrary to the letter writers’ assertion, the idea that the virus might have escaped from a lab invoked accident, not conspiracy. It surely needed to be explored, not rejected out of hand. A defining mark of good scientists is that they go to great pains to distinguish between what they know and what they don’t know. By this criterion, the signatories of the Lancet letter were behaving as poor scientists: They were assuring the public of facts they could not know for sure were true.

It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Daszak’s organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”

Gaat verder:

https://thebulletin.org/2(...)ndoras-box-at-wuhan/
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
  maandag 10 mei 2021 @ 17:53:04 #29
94782 Nieuwschierig
Pro bikini-lijn
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Ik heb laatst naar de film Godzilla, King of the Titans zitten kijken en ben vanuit daar tot het idee gekomen dat doorgedraaide biologen dit virus losgelaten hebben om de aarde te redden van de mensheid.
Alleen zou je eerder verwachten dat dit dan op een vliegveld in Peking of New York gebeurt dan in een provinciestad.
Wie dit leest is gek
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Biologische wapens zijn bijna onmogelijk om doelgericht te gebruiken en daarom maken overheden ze vooral voor de heb.

Het zou natuurlijk wel kunnen dat Covid-19 per ongeluk uit een lab is ontsnapt. Hoewel daar geen daadwerkelijk bewijs voor is.
Dus wie weet. Maar als biologisch wapen zou het jammerlijk falen, omdat China er zelf ook last van heeft.
Hoeveel jonko's moeten we smoken, voordat we vrij zijn, van dit regime?
  maandag 10 mei 2021 @ 18:24:57 #31
361915 T-zooi
Luis in de linkse pels
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quote:
99s.gif Op maandag 10 mei 2021 17:53 schreef Nieuwschierig het volgende:
Ik heb laatst naar de film Godzilla, King of the Titans zitten kijken en ben vanuit daar tot het idee gekomen dat doorgedraaide biologen dit virus losgelaten hebben om de aarde te redden van de mensheid.
Alleen zou je eerder verwachten dat dit dan op een vliegveld in Peking of New York gebeurt dan in een provinciestad.
Wuhan is groter dan New York. En oneindig veel moderner.
  maandag 10 mei 2021 @ 20:07:11 #32
94782 Nieuwschierig
Pro bikini-lijn
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0s.gif Op maandag 10 mei 2021 18:24 schreef T-zooi het volgende:

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Wuhan is groter dan New York. En oneindig veel moderner.
Maar reizen er ook zoveel mensen naar alle uithoeken van de wereld?
Wie dit leest is gek
  maandag 10 mei 2021 @ 22:33:00 #33
361915 T-zooi
Luis in de linkse pels
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99s.gif Op maandag 10 mei 2021 20:07 schreef Nieuwschierig het volgende:

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Maar reizen er ook zoveel mensen naar alle uithoeken van de wereld?
New York is onmiskenbaar een wereldstad maar Wuhan met 11 miljoen inwoners, 3 high speed treinstations en een internationaal vliegveld is het zakelijke, politieke en culturele centrum van west China.

Daarmee is het iig geen provincie stad. :)

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door T-zooi op 11-05-2021 17:57:17 ]
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Persoonlijk denk ik dat de experimenten er wel waren maar dat dit virus geheel perongeluk uit een lab is ontsnapt.
Vakman pur sang
  maandag 10 mei 2021 @ 23:20:15 #35
168739 Red_85
'echt wel'
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0s.gif Op maandag 10 mei 2021 11:23 schreef Knipoogje het volgende:
Ik zie het er nog wel van komen dat we in staat zijn virussen te ontwikkelen die alleen bepaalde rassen aanpakken omdat ze alleen DNA/genoom aanvallen dat slechts bij aziaten/blanken/negers voorkomen.
Designated Survivor zitten kijken tijdens de avondklokperiode?
'Je gaat het pas zien als je het doorhebt'
'Ieder nadeel heb zijn voordeel'
We zullen je nooit, nooit vergeten
1947-2016
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Een ziekte creëeren waar allern jij het medicijn tegen hebt. Heel slim. Maar onwaarschijnlijk.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 19:31 schreef Tengano het volgende:
Volgens mij is China overigens wel het enige land wat er financieel het minste last van heeft gehad.
Dat volk is aanzienlijk gedisciplineerder dan dat eigenwijze schorem van hier bijvoorbeeld.
Dit dus. Even alu hoedje op: dit was de dry run en je ziet wat er inneemt westen gebeurt. Alles komt traag op gang. Mensen zijn zo eigenwijs als de pest. Dat laat zien als iemand echt een dodelijk virus los laat de westerse wereld als eerste ten onder gaat. China of Noord Korea kan hier weer hele nieuwe ideeën uit halen en achterover leunen als het mis gaat.
De Euro was een goed idee ... en dat had het moeten blijven.
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0s.gif Op maandag 10 mei 2021 17:41 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:
Lang artikel van de Bulletin of Atomic Scientists

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Gaat verder:

https://thebulletin.org/2(...)ndoras-box-at-wuhan/
Gaat nog veel verder, ik scrollde naar het einde (om te zien of daar een naschrift stond), na een halve minuut de scroll bar gebruikt omdat m'n vinger moe werd... :{ Leesvoer voor een andere keer.

Vraag me af waarom het Bulletin z'n oorspronkelijke naam behield toen de federatie ( fas.org) van naam veranderde (begon als "Federation of Atomic Scientists", maar werd (vrij snel dacht ik) hernoemd naar "Federation of American Scientists").
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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0s.gif Op maandag 10 mei 2021 23:20 schreef Red_85 het volgende:

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Designated Survivor zitten kijken tijdens de avondklokperiode?
Naja, we kunnen er lacherig over doen, maar er zijn raciale verschillen. Vrijwel alle donkere mensen hebben melk-intolerantie. Als men daar iets op target. Of indien mogelijk, iets uitsluitend targeten op het genoom dat blanke huid genereert ofzo. Is een kwestie van tijd.
beter een knipoog dan een blauw oog
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The theory that COVID-19 escaped from a lab may not be so far-fetched

Nicholas Wade is an author and former science writer for The New York Times.

The SARS-CoV-2 virus has disrupted people’s lives around the world for more than a year. But there’s no clear answer on one of the most important things about it: where it came from.

In fact, if you brush away all the politics about the issue — Donald Trump said it came from a lab, therefore it can’t have — and look just at the scientific facts, a reasonably likely answer is buried there. I’ll try to explain what it is and sort out some of the consequences.

There are two theories about the origin of SARS2, as the virus can be called for short. One is that it jumped naturally from bats to people, as the SARS1 epidemic did in 2002. The other is that it escaped from an experiment in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, China’s leading center of research on bat-type viruses.

The natural-emergence theory has long held the upper hand, in part because of strong statements made by virology experts from early on.

“We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” a group of virologists and others wrote in The Lancet on Feb. 19, 2020, when it was really far too soon for anyone to be sure what had happened.

Scientists “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife,” they said, calling for readers to stand with Chinese colleagues on the front line of fighting the disease.

It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the New York City-based EcoHealth Alliance. Daszak’s organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to The Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”

Gaat verder:

https://nypost.com/2021/0(...)-not-be-far-fetched/
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  dinsdag 11 mei 2021 @ 19:54:19 #41
240618 Micson
The lonely stoner
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De zoveelste ongefundeerde aantijgingen om China klein te houden, net als die hele Oeigoerenonzin. En zelfs als ze dat volk uitmoorden, dan is dat hun binnenlandse aangelegenheid en hebben wij er niets mee te maken!
  dinsdag 11 mei 2021 @ 20:24:03 #42
489794 Poem_
Brightness of Loss
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0s.gif Op dinsdag 11 mei 2021 19:54 schreef Micson het volgende:
De zoveelste ongefundeerde aantijgingen om China klein te houden, net als die hele Oeigoerenonzin. En zelfs als ze dat volk uitmoorden, dan is dat hun binnenlandse aangelegenheid en hebben wij er niets mee te maken!
:')
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quote:
0s.gif Op dinsdag 11 mei 2021 19:54 schreef Micson het volgende:
De zoveelste ongefundeerde aantijgingen om China klein te houden, net als die hele Oeigoerenonzin. En zelfs als ze dat volk uitmoorden, dan is dat hun binnenlandse aangelegenheid en hebben wij er niets mee te maken!
klein geschapen vooral
  dinsdag 11 mei 2021 @ 23:45:09 #44
117098 Hathor
Effe niet
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quote:
0s.gif Op dinsdag 11 mei 2021 19:54 schreef Micson het volgende:
De zoveelste ongefundeerde aantijgingen om China klein te houden, net als die hele Oeigoerenonzin. En zelfs als ze dat volk uitmoorden, dan is dat hun binnenlandse aangelegenheid en hebben wij er niets mee te maken!
Dat zouden we wel moeten hebben, we hadden namelijk afgesproken na WO2, iets in de trend van "dit nooit meer", en het gebeurt momenteel weer recht onder onze neuzen.
Much like down syndrom, red hair is a genetic mutation, and it occurs when a human has unprotected sex with a clown.
  woensdag 12 mei 2021 @ 09:14:15 #45
490095 Grishenko_
Groot-Inquisiteur
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0s.gif Op zondag 9 mei 2021 17:25 schreef jeroen25 het volgende:

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Het westen bestudeert dit soort zaken alleen om zich er tegen te kunnen verdedigen.
In tijden niet zo hard gelachen!
"Bent u dan echt zo iemand als u wordt voorgesteld? Is dat werkelijk mogelijk!"
Riep de vorst opeens verwijtend, uit de grond van zijn hart.
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0s.gif Op zaterdag 8 mei 2021 16:16 schreef tuinkabouter5000 het volgende:
De WHO is niet te vertrouwen.
De overheid is niet te vertrouwen.

Welkom in de wereld
Wie zijn "DE" WHO? is dat 1 persoon? meerdere personen? wie precies? zijn ze geen van allen te vertrouwen of alleen maar een aantal niet?

zelfde voor de overheid

vragen vragen
Do not go gentle into that good night
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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RAND PAUL: Fauci’s Wuhan Bat Research May Make Him Culpable For Entire COVID-19 Pandemic

"Dr. Fauci could be culpable for the entire pandemic," said Sen. Rand Paul

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) told Fox News that Dr. Anthony Fauci “could be culpable for the entire pandemic” when discussing the origins of COVID-19 on Fox News.

In April of 2020, Patrick Howley of National File was the first to report that Fauci’s NIAID funded a study on Bat Coronavirus, a project that included scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, the Chinese lab at the center of controversy over their bat research. A year later, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul confronted Fauci on the fact that the U.S. government was funding the Coronavirus bat project at the Wuhan Institute of Virology prior to the global outbreak, which many people including President Donald Trump, have said originated from the Wuhan lab, as National File reported.


Following Paul’s intense questioning, Fauci appeared on the news and said he “doesn’t understand what the problem is” with Paul. The Senator reacted to the clip, noting that if Fauci “was being interviewed by a journalist they would have asked, did the NIH, did your specific division of the NIH give money to the Wuhan lab? That’s incontrovertibly true.”

“He knows his group gave money, but he’s saying oh it wasn’t for juicing up these super viruses, we gave it for other research,” added Paul. “Dr. Shi, the bat scientist that’s the most famous one from the Wuhan Institute, when she published her papers, which scientists across the board are saying are gain of function, they were juicing up viruses. She gave credit to Dr. Fauci, she said that the funding came from, we have this in black and white, from a peer review journal. She said the funding came from Dr. Fauci’s National Institute, AID, NIAID. This is Dr. Fauci’s baby for 40 years. She lists him in the credits. He can’t escape this. He did the funding.”

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“My other question is, China is a rich country, they’re kicking our butt in so many places. Why would we be giving them money for their research? Can’t they spend their own money on their own research,” said Paul. “We’re asking specifically for some NIH papers and the conclusions because in those conclusions, we believe that it will be unequivocal, from a group of scientists, that they will conclude that yes, the Wuhan Institute was making these super viruses.”

“So when Dr. Fauci goes on these other channels and they laugh it up and yuck it up, but they never ask him, did you fund the institute? See, he’s trying to evade that he funded it at all. I asked him the general question, I didn’t ask him whether he funded gain of function. I said did the NIH fund the Wuhan lab? And he danced around it and answered a different question. But there is no question at all that the NIH funded this lab,” said Paul.

“The person they appointed to investigate the lab, from the WHO perspective, is the guy who gave the money. So the NIH gave the money to a group called Eco Health, the head of Eco Health, a guy named Daszak, they got him to investigate whether Wuhan was doing anything inappropriate in their lab, but if they were, wouldn’t he then be culpable? So doesn’t he have a self interest in smoothing things over? I’m not saying he did cover things up, but you wouldn’t appoint someone who’s in the line of supply chain of giving the money to them,” explained Paul.

“Ultimately, here’s the rub. I don’t know whether it came from the lab. Nobody knows whether it came from the lab. But who would be culpable? Dr. Fauci could be culpable for the entire pandemic. So could Dr. Daszak, and so could Dr. Shi. I’m not saying that happened, I don’t know. But you wouldn’t put the people who gave the money to the Wuhan lab in charge of the investigation. That looks like a coverup,” said Paul.

twitter


https://nationalfile.com/(...)e-covid-19-pandemic/
"An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as a free people."
  Jaap van Dissel-award 2022 vrijdag 14 mei 2021 @ 21:47:45 #48
385501 Starhopper
Nova is mijn prinses
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kan weg
Op maandag 9 oktober 2023 13:31 schreef Nova het volgende:[/b]
Oh schatje, wat lief van je om dat te zeggen! Jij bent echt een prins op het witte paard voor mij. Met jou voel ik me zo geliefd en speciaal. Laten we nog lang samen genieten van sprookjesachtige avonturen en elkaar verwennen met veel knuffels en kusjes. O+ naar jou, mijn lieve prins! :*
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0s.gif Op maandag 10 mei 2021 17:36 schreef Probably_on_pcp het volgende:
China was preparing for a Third World War with biological weapons - including coronavirus - SIX years ago, according to dossier produced by the People's Liberation Army in 2015 and uncovered by the US State Department

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quote:
News Corp exclusive on Chinese ‘bioweapons’ based on discredited 2015 book of conspiracy theories

The Australian’s exclusive about a “chilling” document produced by Chinese military scientists is based on a discredited 2015 book containing conspiracy theories about biological warfare which is freely available on the internet.

Written by the paper’s investigations writer, Sharri Markson, the report last Saturday said Chinese military scientists “discussed the weaponisation of Sars coronaviruses five years before the Covid-19 pandemic” and predicted a third world war would be fought with biological weapons.

The story was published to promote Markson’s debut book, What Really happened in Wuhan, which argues that there is “no scientific consensus that Covid-19 has a natural origin” and that China has conspired to cover up the truth.

“The document also talks about the psychological terror that bioweapons can cause, it’s chilling,” Markson said on Sky News, where she hosts her own show, Sharri.

Markson talked up her book on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast this week, telling the former adviser to Donald Trump she has some “incredible new documents” to reveal when the Harper Collins commission is published in September.

But Markson’s story has been criticised as misleading and alarmist by China analysts.

A deputy editor of Foreign Policy magazine and China expert, James Palmer, said the article has links to conspiracy theories about the origins of the coronavirus which are popular on the right.

“The story is clearly framed in a way to make the reader think that this is secret or confidential information, using language such as that the State Department ‘obtained’ the information,” Palmer told Guardian Australia.

“But this ‘paper’, or ‘document’ as it’s described, is actually a book with a strong conspiratorial bent published in 2015 – a fact buried toward the end of the article – and easily available to any buyer in China.

“Discovering this is exactly as hard as Googling its title in Chinese. Chinese military academics are very given to bluster and conspiracy, especially when trying to sell books; similar texts come out in Chinese about any matter of subjects.

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https://www.theguardian.c(...)-conspiracy-theories

De bron was een boek dat in 2015 in China verscheen, en ging over mogelijke biologische aanvallen tegen China, door de VS.
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
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Altijd al in mezelf gezegd dat het virus wss gemaakt is in een lab. Maar wel per ongeluk uit het lab is ontsnapt.
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