[AMV] #964 the need for gun reform

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Op woensdag 24 maart 2021 22:15 schreef Monolith het volgende:
Klakkeloos de statement van een advocaat voor waar aannemen en alle andere nieuwsbronnen en juristen op basis daarvan afserveren is ook vrij ironisch

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 01:00 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Nog zo'n achterlijk argument van een reli-gekkie die voor anderen (vnl de zwarte gemeenschap) wil bepalen hoe hun zondag door de brengen

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 01:14 schreef nostra het volgende:

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Doen we om dezelfde reden hier ook niet, al breiden we dat dan wel direct uit met de vrijdag en zaterdag.

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Op woensdag 24 maart 2021 14:21 schreef speknek het volgende:

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Dat de second amendment het over the right to bear arms for a well trained militia heeft, is dan ook puur bedoeld om ervoor te zorgen dat de vrije zwarten geen vuurwapens mochten hebben omdat ze niet toegelaten werden tot de milities

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In Federalist No. 46, Madison wrote how a federal army could be kept in check by state militias, "a standing army ... would be opposed [by] a militia." He argued that state militias "would be able to repel the danger" of a federal army, "It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops." He contrasted the federal government of the United States to the European kingdoms, which he described as "afraid to trust the people with arms", and assured that "the existence of subordinate governments ... forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition".[13][14]

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Guaranteed income, also known as universal basic income (UBI), is based on the concept that giving people a set amount of money each month can help break cycles of poverty, by allowing them to stop living the paycheck-to-paycheck lifestyle that contributes to poor health and hinders their ability to find better, full-time work.

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Oakland’s program will limit participation strictly to Black, Indigenous and other communities of color, in a nod to the legacy of the Black Panther Party, the political movement that was founded in Oakland in the 1960s. White households in Oakland make, on average, about three times more annually than Black households, according to the Oakland Equity Index.

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“The poverty we all witness today is not a personal failure, it is a systems failure,” Libby Schaaf, Oakland’s mayor, said in a statement. “Guaranteed income is one of the most promising tools for systems change, racial equity and economic mobility we’ve seen in decades."

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 04:38 schreef MoreDakka het volgende:
https://www.theguardian.c(...)basic-income-program

Basisinkomen in Oakland. 'Universal', heet het.
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Maar voor wie is het eigenlijk?
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Tja. Niet zo universal dus. Geen verrassing als de burgemeester dit soort taal bezigt:
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racial equity, dan weet je wel weer genoeg Oh en hoe komen ze er mee weg? Omdat het om privaat geld gaat. Uitgegeven door de burgemeester maar dat is dan niet meer relevant.

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 06:50 schreef klappernootopreis het volgende:

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Nu wél? Of mag ik je nu een seriemoordenaarfan noemen?

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 08:19 schreef Dejannn het volgende:

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Die mensen daar zijn compleet gevangen in de fuik van de meest bizarre social justice ideeën. Als je zoiets dan opzet voor arme mensen in het algemeen is het nog enigszins begrijpelijk. Maar nee, dit moet dan worden gelinkt aan huidskleur.

Racial equity kan je trouwens min of meer vertalen naar 'raciaal communisme'. Daar komt het een beetje op neer.

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Op woensdag 24 maart 2021 21:06 schreef Kijkertje het volgende:
Grootse plannen voor infrastructuur:

[ twitter ]
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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 08:47 schreef Harvest89 het volgende:

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Gelinkt aan huidskleur is inderdaad onzin.
Maar basisinkomen voor iedereen in de toekomst is een mooie stap vooruit voor alle welvarende landen.

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 12:10 schreef Dejannn het volgende:

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Ik ben in principe geen groot van een grote overheid die dit soort dingen reguleert. Desalniettemin ben ik het er geheel mee eens dat een universeel basisinkomen op een gegeven moment helaas (met de steeds sterkere wordende automatisering) haast onvermijdelijk lijkt.

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 12:10 schreef Dejannn het volgende:

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Ik ben in principe geen groot van een grote overheid die dit soort dingen reguleert. Desalniettemin ben ik het er geheel mee eens dat een universeel basisinkomen op een gegeven moment helaas (met de steeds sterkere wordende automatisering) haast onvermijdelijk lijkt.

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Op donderdag 25 maart 2021 04:18 schreef MoreDakka het volgende:

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Belachelijke onzin.

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To maintain slavery

Preserving slave patrols

In the slave states, the militia was available for military operations, but its biggest function was to police the slaves.[123] According to Dr Carl T. Bogus, Professor of Law of the Roger Williams University Law School in Rhode Island,[123] the Second Amendment was written to assure the Southern states that Congress would not undermine the slave system by using its newly acquired constitutional authority over the militia to disarm the state militia and thereby destroy the South’s principal instrument of slave control.[124] In his close analysis of James Madison's writings, Bogus describes the South's obsession with militias during the ratification process:[124]

The militia remained the principal means of protecting the social order and preserving white control over an enormous black population. Anything that might weaken this system presented the gravest of threats.

This preoccupation is clearly expressed in 1788[124] by the slaveholder Patrick Henry:

If the country be invaded, a state may go to war, but cannot suppress insurrections [under this new Constitution]. If there should happen an insurrection of slaves, the country cannot be said to be invaded. They cannot, therefore, suppress it without the interposition of Congress ... Congress, and Congress only [under this new Constitution; addition not mentioned in source], can call forth the militia.[123]

Therefore, in a compromise with the slave states, and to reassure Patrick Henry, George Mason and other slaveholders that they would be able to keep their slave control militias independent of the federal government, James Madison (also slave owner) redrafted the Second Amendment into its current form "for the specific purpose of assuring the Southern states, and particularly his constituents in Virginia, that the federal government would not undermine their security against slave insurrection by disarming the militia."[124]

Also, Patrick Henry argued against the ratification of both the Constitution and the Second Amendment.[66] Most Southern white men between the ages of 18 and 45 were required to serve on "slave patrols" which were organized groups of white men who enforced discipline upon enslaved blacks.[125] Bogus writes with respect to Georgia laws passed in 1755 and 1757 in this context: “The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search ‘all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition’ and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds.”[126] Legal historian Paul Finkelman recognises that James Madison "drafted an amendment to protect the right of the states to maintain their militias."[66]

To avoid arming free blacks

According to Pennsylvania attorney Anthony Picadio, the Southern slave states would never have ratified the Second Amendment if it had been understood as creating an individual right to own firearms because of their fear of arming free blacks, hence the emphasis on the phrase "well regulated Militia", introducing the Second Amendment.

Firstly, slave owners feared that enslaved blacks might be emancipated through military service. A few years earlier, there had been a precedent when Lord Dunmore offered freedom to slaves who escaped and joined his forces with "Liberty to Slaves" stitched onto their jacket pocket flaps. Freed slaves had also served in General Washington's army.

Secondly, they also greatly feared "a ruinous slave rebellion in which their families would be slaughtered and their property destroyed." When Virginia ratified the Bill of Rights on Dec. 15, 1791, the Haitian revolution, a successful slave rebellion, was under way. The right to bear arms was therefore deliberately tied to membership in a militia by the slaveholder and chief drafter of the Amendment, James Madison, because only whites could join militias in the South.[127]

In 1776, Thomas Jefferson had submitted a draft constitution for Virginia that said "no freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms within his own lands or tenements". According to Picadio, this version was rejected because "it would have given to free blacks the constitutional right to have firearms".[128]