9/11 #127: # Just like in the movies!

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Op zondag 15 september 2019 22:13 schreef LelijKnap het volgende:

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Ah ik had daar geen weet van! Best interessant eigenlijk, ook mbt de andere theorieën (thermite, CD)

Het klinkt inderdaad heel vaag, alsof de verdieping zelf mechanisch zou zijn.

Mechanische verdieping?
In Nederland noemen we dat een technische ruimte of technische bouwlaag.
In veel grote gebouwen in Nederland, zitten die op de bovenste bouwlaag. Soms ook in de kelder/souterrain.
Denk aan bijv. luchtbehandelingskasten, liftmachinekamer enz.

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Op zondag 15 september 2019 22:24 schreef tja77 het volgende:
Mechanische verdieping?
In Nederland noemen we dat een technische ruimte of technische bouwlaag.
In veel grote gebouwen in Nederland, zitten die op de bovenste bouwlaag. Soms ook in de kelder/souterrain.
Denk aan bijv. luchtbehandelingskasten, liftmachinekamer enz.

Ja ik kon het ook al niet vinden, maargoed het is wel redelijk normaal inmiddels dat veel woorden diredct uit het Engels worden vertaald - soms kom je gewoon niet op het Nederlandse woord.

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Op maandag 16 september 2019 21:02 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Moet eerst een app installeren.

Je kan de podcast gewoon luisteren.

Ben zelf echter niet zo van de podcasts, moet er beeld bij hebben of het moet een schriftelijk artikel zijn, anders hou ik m'n aandacht er niet bij.

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Op zondag 15 september 2019 21:38 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Ohhh er zijn er zat overleden in de ziekenhuizen vlak naar 9/11.
er zal vast wel iemand aan ouderdom ziekte ongeluk overleden zijn in new york geen twijfel over mogelijk!

Heb je naam van de ziekenhuizen waarbij je dit gecontroleerd hebt.
thx.

You obviously didn't read the report or the '9/11 by numbers' article properly otherwise you would have also seen the list of official sources and references it was based on.

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Fortunately, during the first 6 months of the recovery effort, there was not a single fatality, and injury rates were below national averages.

You still haven't posted anything to support your opinions....although to be honest, I don't think you have an opinion of your own.

IF the claims about the 9/11 hospital admittances were real and that after such an incident where 6,300 people (allegedly 800+ critically injured) were treated in various hospitals and none (or only a handful at most) died in the six months after the 9/11 event, that would be miraculous.
What would be the death rate in such a situation? 5-10% ? And probably much higher on the day?

If some people want to believe in miracles, that's up to themselves.

If people do not believe the miracles, they should be able to easily find some information about the 9/11 TV event hospital fatalities.

[ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door Tingo op 16-09-2019 23:18:59 ]

Nog een van de vele rare verhaaltjes:

All from a doctor's point of view:
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-two-mornings-of-9-11

'Once we realized what was going on, the doctors were instructed to gather in the ambulance bay area of Bellevue Hospital to wait for patients to come in. I remember seeing hundreds of surgeons just waiting and expecting a lot of patients to come in any minute. Over the 6-8 hour period, only one patient showed up. The man was a firefighter who was hit by someone who had jumped out of the burning building. He suffered major head injuries.'

What happened the next morning?
“Most doctors slept in the hospital. I woke up in my office early the next morning and went down to the emergency room to see if any patients had come in. There were no patients.”
'After the trauma team took over, we were told that there might be more survivors. We sent a team of doctors to Ground Zero to set up a triage at the sight and be prepared to take care of patients. There were teams of doctors from other hospitals as well. I was in the first team to go down. Once again, no patients ended up coming.'

'Eventually, medical examiners set up tractor-trailer trucks in parking lots to house bodies and body parts that were discovered. The trucks remained there for over a year. Medical examiners attempted to identify individuals from their body parts through DNA analysis. Whenever they found a body part, they carried out a small ceremony at this parking lot transformed into a morgue full of trailers.'
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Does anyone believe this crap?

Hey, wat zie ik nou? Volgens mij staat Tingo weer op repeat.

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Op maandag 16 september 2019 23:10 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Does anyone believe this crap?

Nope, no one believes your crap.

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Op maandag 16 september 2019 23:10 schreef Tingo het volgende:
Nog een van de vele rare verhaaltjes:

All from a doctor's point of view:
https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-two-mornings-of-9-11

'Once we realized what was going on, the doctors were instructed to gather in the ambulance bay area of Bellevue Hospital to wait for patients to come in. I remember seeing hundreds of surgeons just waiting and expecting a lot of patients to come in any minute. Over the 6-8 hour period, only one patient showed up. The man was a firefighter who was hit by someone who had jumped out of the burning building. He suffered major head injuries.'

What happened the next morning?
“Most doctors slept in the hospital. I woke up in my office early the next morning and went down to the emergency room to see if any patients had come in. There were no patients.”
'After the trauma team took over, we were told that there might be more survivors. We sent a team of doctors to Ground Zero to set up a triage at the sight and be prepared to take care of patients. There were teams of doctors from other hospitals as well. I was in the first team to go down. Once again, no patients ended up coming.'

'Eventually, medical examiners set up tractor-trailer trucks in parking lots to house bodies and body parts that were discovered. The trucks remained there for over a year. Medical examiners attempted to identify individuals from their body parts through DNA analysis. Whenever they found a body part, they carried out a small ceremony at this parking lot transformed into a morgue full of trailers.'
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Does anyone believe this crap?

Every day, larger and larger crowds of people who had lost loved ones would gather outside the hospital with pictures of them and signs saying “Lost: Have you seen ___?” There were hundreds of pictures and signs posted on the walls.

Allemaal verzonnen zeker.

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Op dinsdag 17 september 2019 01:14 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Ja wat is het nou geloof je m nu wel of niet?

Beetje Cherry picking, je gelooft wel dat hij zegt dat hij IN het ziekenhuis weinig patiënten heeft behandeld.

Maar je gelooft niet dat hij naar locatie is geweest.
Terwijl daarvan zelfs een foto van op locatie is.

Maar eindelijk hebben we een naam van 1 ziekenhuis, en aangezien deze gewoon gewonden hebben behandeld, exacte aantal staat er niet bij kunnen we niet herleiden hoeveel dit er waren van de 6000.

Maar een gewonde is nou eenmaal een gewonde ook al is het maar lichtgewond, en telt deze gewoon mee. Dat kunnen er 10 of zelfs een paar honderd zijn.
Geen idee staat er niet bij.

Maar wat is er dus gebeurt met de 6000 gewonden? Nou... Een aantal is behandeld door mensen van dit ziekenhuis.

Dus next ziekenhuis, dit was een van de zovele je hebt een lijst, goed bezig.

Slechts een beetje cherry picking? Text book example zou ik zeggen.

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Op dinsdag 17 september 2019 00:29 schreef illusions het volgende:

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Every day, larger and larger crowds of people who had lost loved ones would gather outside the hospital with pictures of them and signs saying “Lost: Have you seen ___?” There were hundreds of pictures and signs posted on the walls.

Allemaal verzonnen zeker.

Well, that depends on if you think it a good idea or not to make quite crappy photo-copies/prints of your loved ones, if it's worth the time and trouble to go to a potentially chaotic, traumatic situation, hang around waving the photocopy about and basically just getting in the way of an alleged mass rescue operation.
The photo-copy shops must've been very busy all at once. Some of the 'missing' poster walls were quite high. But maybe there was a ladder available. Or maybe there was a very tall person around who could read out the contact details for short people or anyone who might need glasses.

Surely it'd be easier to just stay at home, make a few phone-calls, wait for a phone-call from relatives etc. and watch it all on TV. Which is what people did whether they were in Manhattan or not.

But anyway.....
Do you really think that there were no hospital fatalities from the alleged 6,300 injured?
Yes or No answer will do for now. We can all discuss the specifics later, if it's worth the bother.

[ Bericht 0% gewijzigd door Tingo op 17-09-2019 22:58:30 (Adde the word :mass) ]

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Op dinsdag 17 september 2019 01:14 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Ja wat is het nou geloof je m nu wel of niet?

Beetje Cherry picking, je gelooft wel dat hij zegt dat hij IN het ziekenhuis weinig patiënten heeft behandeld.

Maar je gelooft niet dat hij naar locatie is geweest.
Terwijl daarvan zelfs een foto van op locatie is.

Maar eindelijk hebben we een naam van 1 ziekenhuis, en aangezien deze gewoon gewonden hebben behandeld, exacte aantal staat er niet bij kunnen we niet herleiden hoeveel dit er waren van de 6000.

Maar een gewonde is nou eenmaal een gewonde ook al is het maar lichtgewond, en telt deze gewoon mee. Dat kunnen er 10 of zelfs een paar honderd zijn.
Geen idee staat er niet bij.

Maar wat is er dus gebeurt met de 6000 gewonden? Nou... Een aantal is behandeld door mensen van dit ziekenhuis.

Dus next ziekenhuis, dit was een van de zovele je hebt een lijst, goed bezig.

Nee, ik geloof de hele verhaal niet.
Post dan wat informatie over die 6300 gewonden. Ik kan niks over vinden.

I've already provided information which you obviously did not read.

A friend sent me this video. Many people have already seen much of the material, but it's good to see a great compilation/collection with subjects,facts, presented in a clear, straightforward manner. Well worth watching the whole video. Hopefully for some people at least, it might save some time and disappointment by not being led down the dead-end 9/11 (half) truth streets.

Thanks very much to whoever put it together!

9/11 Fraud:

Maybe we can discuss some of the important points raised in the video.

8:40-12:00 : The demolition of the Biltmore Hotel in 1977 is interesting. The commentator says that it was 33-storeys. I've also read that it was 24, 26 or 33 storeys high, but that isn't so important. Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be a video available.

Disclaimer: I do not agree with all the points raised in the above video.....before anyone tries to put words in my mouth.

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Op dinsdag 17 september 2019 22:08 schreef theguyver het volgende:

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Tenzij je negatieven hebt, is de beste manier een kopieer apparaat of simpele printer.
High tech printer of foto print was toen nog niet bepaald betaalbaar.
We hebben het over 2001 niet 2019.

Er zijn ver na 9/11 nog slachtoffers toegerekend aan de aanslagen van 9/11
Het grotendeels van de slachtoffers zijn omgekomen door het instorten van gebouwen en inzittenden van de vliegtuigen.

2,974 victims were confirmed to have died in the initial attacks. In 2007, the New York City medical examiner's office began to jij add people who died of illnesses caused by exposure to dust from the site to the official death toll. The first such victim was a woman, a civil rights lawyer, who had died from a chronic lung condition in February 2002. In September 2009, the office added a man who died in October 2008, and in 2011, a male accountant who had died in December 2010. This raises the number of victims at the World Trade Center site to 2,753, and the overall 9/11 death toll to 2,996

Dus ja die zijn er.

Terug naar de informatie over de ziekenhuizen.
1 gehad nog een groot aantal te gaan.

I don't understand what the fck you are on about. Maybe it's the language barrier.
Edit: My posts are regarding what happened in the short time after the 9/11 event.

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Op dinsdag 17 september 2019 22:17 schreef Tingo het volgende:

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I don't understand what the fck you are on about. Maybe it's the language barrier.
Edit: My posts are regarding what happened in the short time after the 9/11 event.

Het ene deel van het artikel doe je af als bullshit, maar het andere geloof je weer wel - cherry picking. Ik denk niet dat het de taalbarriere is...

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Just sharing a little bit more info.
Nog wat meer over de 6300 gewonden....

March 2003.Implications of the World Trade Center Attack for the Public Health and Health Care Infrastructures:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447752/

'Fortunately, during the first 6 months of the recovery effort, there was not a single fatality, and injury rates were below national averages.'

From the same article:

'A CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) survey of 4 local hospitals and the regional burn referral center found that in the 48 hours after the attack, 1688 patients received care at these hospitals, of whom 65% were WTC survivors treated for injuries or illness, mostly inhalation or eyes injuries, related to the attack.'

'In late September, a GNYHA(Greater New York Hospital Association) telephone survey of its members found that 91 metropolitan area hospitals had provided emergency room treatment to about 6000 WTC victims and admitted 500.41 '
(The fiscal impact of the World Trade Center attack on New York hospitals, October 2, 2001)

Helaas, the link (#41) doesn't work anymore. I've noticed this a few times when I've been looking for more detailed information about this particular subject.

En dan helemaal niks over hospital ER fatalities.
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https://blogs.ei.columbia(...)hat-shook-the-world/

'Later, we both went to St. Luke’s (in Manhattan) to donate blood for the survivors we assumed would be flooding in. But the hospital was dead quiet; we were told no blood was needed.'
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I still haven't found anything substantial as to what happened to the alleged 6300 surviors who found their way to ER units in hospitals that day. In such an incident, if they weren't that badly injured, people would just go home or to family,friends etc. rather than go through the hassle of having to go to a hospital which they may have known would be packed out anyway. So only real emergency cases would be admitted in such a horrific situation. And it seems from MSM sources that many hospitals in NY were empty.
Where are the 6300 injured and the potentially high percentage of ER fatalities?

I'm just posting peculiar, conflicting and confusing reports, articles.

Veel lees plezier.
Fyn avond verder.

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Op woensdag 18 september 2019 15:11 schreef illusions het volgende:

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Het ene deel van het artikel doe je af als bullshit, maar het andere geloof je weer wel - cherry picking. Ik denk niet dat het de taalbarriere is...

I didn't say I believed anything in the article I posted. I've posted certain msm articles and quotes which might be of interest to some readers.

Do you really think that there were no hospital fatalities from the alleged 6,300 injured?
Yes or No answer will do for now. We can all discuss the specifics later, if it's worth the bother.