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Discussies en diepgaande gesprekken over de politiek in de breedste zin van het woord kun je hier voeren.
Ik kan wel weer gaan posten "wat een shitstorm!" maar volgens mij heb ik dat de afgelopen 3 jaar al zo vaak gedaan. Politieke chaos in GB = "business as usual".
Om 3 uur Britse tijd begint het debat erover, geen idee hoe laat ze erover stemmen.quote:Op dinsdag 3 september 2019 14:12 schreef MeneerAchternaam het volgende:
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Is er vandaag een debat/stemming? Zo ja, hoe laat?
zal wel tegen 10en zijn. Of nog later.quote:
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Om 3 uur Britse tijd begint het debat erover, geen idee hoe laat ze erover stemmen.
Definitely not CIA
Daar lijkt het wel een beetje opquote:
Beschuldig je de brexiteers nu van populisme?
Ich fälle Bäume und hupf und spring, steck Blumen in die Vas
Ich schlupf in Frauenkleider, und lummel mich in Bars
Ich schlupf in Frauenkleider, und lummel mich in Bars
https://www.independent.c(...)otland-a9089911.html
Boris Johnson secretly agreed to suspend parliament two weeks before denying it would happen, Downing St documents reveal
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Boris Johnson secretly agreed to suspend parliament two weeks before denying it would happen, Downing St documents reveal
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Lekker zuipen, lekker dansen en daarna lekker neuken.
Motie zal dus wel aangenomen worden.twitter:DanielHewittITV twitterde op dinsdag 03-09-2019 om 13:56:03 BREAKING: Tory rebel alliance has emerged from its showdown with PM saying he gave “an unconvincing explanation” of how a deal with the EU could pass before Oct 31st and didn’t give “a reasonable answer” to why the govt still hasn’t come up with an alternative to the backstop. https://t.co/cZRbhvvVyL reageer retweet
BREAKING: Tory rebel alliance has emerged from its showdown with PM saying he gave “an unconvincing explanation” of how a deal with the EU could pass before Oct 31st and didn’t give “a reasonable answer” to why the govt still hasn’t come up with an alternative to the backstop. [ Bericht 1% gewijzigd door #ANONIEM op 03-09-2019 14:55:02 ]
Zou BoJo en zijn kabinet nou echt een plan hebben? Of houden ze zichzelf, elkaar en de EU voor de gek. Ik ben in elk geval de draad kwijt.
Plan is simpel, gebruik de slechte peilingen van Labour als excuus voor een verkiezing, Brexitparty heeft nu weinig wind in de zeilen en het verdeelde landschap zal er voor zorgen dat BJ een grote overwinning krijgt. EU zal uitstel geven in afwachting verkiezingen.quote:
Zou BoJo en zijn kabinet nou echt een plan hebben? Of houden ze zichzelf, elkaar en de EU voor de gek. Ik ben in elk geval de draad kwijt.
Toch weer een half jaar verder.
Jahaaa.. Mijn mening verandert vaak. Niet dat ik niet weet wat ik zeg. Maar ik houd mij liever niet vast aan oude denkbeelden als nieuwe beter zijn...
Hoezo? Je kan geen MP's ontslaan als PM, wel andersom.quote:
Zullen een aantal tories een nieuwe baan moeten vinden dus
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
...en dan de WA alsnog goedkeuren?quote:
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Plan is simpel, gebruik de slechte peilingen van Labour als excuus voor een verkiezing, Brexitparty heeft nu weinig wind in de zeilen en het verdeelde landschap zal er voor zorgen dat BJ een grote overwinning krijgt. EU zal uitstel geven in afwachting verkiezingen.
Toch weer een half jaar verder.
Ze worden gewoon niet meer opgesteld bij evt nieuwe verkiezingenquote:
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Hoezo? Je kan geen MP's ontslaan als PM, wel andersom.
Nou ga je er van uit dat ze een half jaar vooruit kijken, dat is wel erg ver natuurlijk.quote:
Misschien is er geen gevoel dat groter geluk geeft dan dat men voor andere mensen iets kan betekenen (Dietrich Bonhoeffer )
En? Dan kunnen ze zich als independents verkiesbaar stellen en bovendien bepaalt de partijleiding dat niet maar de lokale afdeling.quote:
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Ze worden gewoon niet meer opgesteld bij evt nieuwe verkiezingen
Daarbij komt dat er geen enkele garantie is dat men die zetel met een geparachuteerde nieuwe kandidaat kan behouden plus dat Johnson zijn meerderheid dan in het zittende Parlement kwijt raakt en de weg open ligt voor een overname door Labour, zie Italie voor een illustratie hoe dat kan werken.
"The enemy isn't men, or women, it's bloody stupid people and no one has the right to be stupid." - Sir Terry Pratchett.
Volgens Brexitcast gaat het om verkiezingen op 14 oktober. En uitstel tot 31 januari.quote:
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Plan is simpel, gebruik de slechte peilingen van Labour als excuus voor een verkiezing, Brexitparty heeft nu weinig wind in de zeilen en het verdeelde landschap zal er voor zorgen dat BJ een grote overwinning krijgt. EU zal uitstel geven in afwachting verkiezingen.
Toch weer een half jaar verder.
Voor zover men een voorspelling durft te doen dan.
Definitely not CIA
quote:Brussels baffled by Boris Johnson's Brexit progress claims
Brussels has responded with bafflement to Boris Johnson’s claims that progress is being made in the Brexit talks, with EU officials saying discussions are going nowhere.
The prime minister and his cabinet have insisted that the outlines of a deal are in the making and that attempts by MPs to rule out a no-deal departure will kill that momentum.
However, EU officials said that nearly two weeks after Johnson met the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, no alternatives to the Northern Irish backstop had been tabled. Instead, there had been a renewed clash over Brussels’ need for an immediately legally operable solution for the border.
Vóór het internet dacht men dat de oorzaak van domheid een gebrek aan toegang tot informatie was. Inmiddels weten we beter.
Maakt niks uit. Barnier heeft een opdracht gekregen en moet binnen bepaalde kaders blijven. Maakt niet uit wat Merkel, Macron, Tusk of wie dan ook vind van deBrexit. De procedure ligt vast en daar is geen afwijken van voorlopig.quote:
Jahaaa.. Mijn mening verandert vaak. Niet dat ik niet weet wat ik zeg. Maar ik houd mij liever niet vast aan oude denkbeelden als nieuwe beter zijn...
De wet ten opzichte van onderhandelen met de EU
Article 218
(ex Article 300 TEC)
1. Without prejudice to the specific provisions laid down in Article 207, agreements between the Union and third countries or international organisations shall be negotiated and concluded in accordance with the following procedure.
2. The Council shall authorise the opening of negotiations, adopt negotiating directives, authorise the signing of agreements and conclude them.
3. The Commission, or the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy where the agreement envisaged relates exclusively or principally to the common foreign and security policy, shall submit recommendations to the Council, which shall adopt a decision authorising the opening of negotiations and, depending on the subject of the agreement envisaged, nominating the Union negotiator or the head of the Union's negotiating team.
4. The Council may address directives to the negotiator and designate a special committee in consultation with which the negotiations must be conducted.
5. The Council, on a proposal by the negotiator, shall adopt a decision authorising the signing of the agreement and, if necessary, its provisional application before entry into force.
6. The Council, on a proposal by the negotiator, shall adopt a decision concluding the agreement.
Except where agreements relate exclusively to the common foreign and security policy, the Council shall adopt the decision concluding the agreement:
(a) after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament in the following cases:
association agreements;
(ii) agreement on Union accession to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms;
(iii) agreements establishing a specific institutional framework by organising cooperation procedures;
(iv) agreements with important budgetary implications for the Union;
(v) agreements covering fields to which either the ordinary legislative procedure applies, or the special legislative procedure where consent by the European Parliament is required.
The European Parliament and the Council may, in an urgent situation, agree upon a time-limit for consent.
(b) after consulting the European Parliament in other cases. The European Parliament shall deliver its opinion within a time-limit which the Council may set depending on the urgency of the matter. In the absence of an opinion within that time-limit, the Council may act.
7. When concluding an agreement, the Council may, by way of derogation from paragraphs 5, 6 and 9, authorise the negotiator to approve on the Union's behalf modifications to the agreement where it provides for them to be adopted by a simplified procedure or by a body set up by the agreement. The Council may attach specific conditions to such authorisation.
8. The Council shall act by a qualified majority throughout the procedure.
However, it shall act unanimously when the agreement covers a field for which unanimity is required for the adoption of a Union act as well as for association agreements and the agreements referred to in Article 212 with the States which are candidates for accession. The Council shall also act unanimously for the agreement on accession of the Union to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms; the decision concluding this agreement shall enter into force after it has been approved by the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.
9. The Council, on a proposal from the Commission or the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, shall adopt a decision suspending application of an agreement and establishing the positions to be adopted on the Union's behalf in a body set up by an agreement, when that body is called upon to adopt acts having legal effects, with the exception of acts supplementing or amending the institutional framework of the agreement.
10. The European Parliament shall be immediately and fully informed at all stages of the procedure.
11. A Member State, the European Parliament, the Council or the Commission may obtain the opinion of the Court of Justice as to whether an agreement envisaged is compatible with the Treaties. Where the opinion of the Court is adverse, the agreement envisaged may not enter into force unless it is amended or the Treaties are revised.
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Article 218
(ex Article 300 TEC)
1. Without prejudice to the specific provisions laid down in Article 207, agreements between the Union and third countries or international organisations shall be negotiated and concluded in accordance with the following procedure.
2. The Council shall authorise the opening of negotiations, adopt negotiating directives, authorise the signing of agreements and conclude them.
3. The Commission, or the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy where the agreement envisaged relates exclusively or principally to the common foreign and security policy, shall submit recommendations to the Council, which shall adopt a decision authorising the opening of negotiations and, depending on the subject of the agreement envisaged, nominating the Union negotiator or the head of the Union's negotiating team.
4. The Council may address directives to the negotiator and designate a special committee in consultation with which the negotiations must be conducted.
5. The Council, on a proposal by the negotiator, shall adopt a decision authorising the signing of the agreement and, if necessary, its provisional application before entry into force.
6. The Council, on a proposal by the negotiator, shall adopt a decision concluding the agreement.
Except where agreements relate exclusively to the common foreign and security policy, the Council shall adopt the decision concluding the agreement:
(a) after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament in the following cases:
association agreements;(ii) agreement on Union accession to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms;
(iii) agreements establishing a specific institutional framework by organising cooperation procedures;
(iv) agreements with important budgetary implications for the Union;
(v) agreements covering fields to which either the ordinary legislative procedure applies, or the special legislative procedure where consent by the European Parliament is required.
The European Parliament and the Council may, in an urgent situation, agree upon a time-limit for consent.
(b) after consulting the European Parliament in other cases. The European Parliament shall deliver its opinion within a time-limit which the Council may set depending on the urgency of the matter. In the absence of an opinion within that time-limit, the Council may act.
7. When concluding an agreement, the Council may, by way of derogation from paragraphs 5, 6 and 9, authorise the negotiator to approve on the Union's behalf modifications to the agreement where it provides for them to be adopted by a simplified procedure or by a body set up by the agreement. The Council may attach specific conditions to such authorisation.
8. The Council shall act by a qualified majority throughout the procedure.
However, it shall act unanimously when the agreement covers a field for which unanimity is required for the adoption of a Union act as well as for association agreements and the agreements referred to in Article 212 with the States which are candidates for accession. The Council shall also act unanimously for the agreement on accession of the Union to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms; the decision concluding this agreement shall enter into force after it has been approved by the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.
9. The Council, on a proposal from the Commission or the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, shall adopt a decision suspending application of an agreement and establishing the positions to be adopted on the Union's behalf in a body set up by an agreement, when that body is called upon to adopt acts having legal effects, with the exception of acts supplementing or amending the institutional framework of the agreement.
10. The European Parliament shall be immediately and fully informed at all stages of the procedure.
11. A Member State, the European Parliament, the Council or the Commission may obtain the opinion of the Court of Justice as to whether an agreement envisaged is compatible with the Treaties. Where the opinion of the Court is adverse, the agreement envisaged may not enter into force unless it is amended or the Treaties are revised.
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Jahaaa.. Mijn mening verandert vaak. Niet dat ik niet weet wat ik zeg. Maar ik houd mij liever niet vast aan oude denkbeelden als nieuwe beter zijn...
Weten we eigenlijk al wat ie gaat doen?quote:
De EU-top onderhandelaar van de WA, Sabine Weyand (ambtenaar), is inmiddels een of andere senior voor Trade Deals geworden.
Definitely not CIA
Merkel en Macron bepalen gewoon hoorquote:
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Maakt niet uit wat Merkel, Macron, Tusk of wie dan ook vind van deBrexit.
En Merkel laat steeds meer aan Macron over.quote:
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Merkel en Macron bepalen gewoon hoor
Definitely not CIA
Tuurlijk haar macht is tanende. De snelle opmars van de populisten in Duitsland en de wetenschap dat ze spoedig vertrekt.quote:Op dinsdag 3 september 2019 16:07 schreef capricia het volgende:
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En Merkel laat steeds meer aan Macron over.
Denk je dat Macron uitstel aan de Britten gaat verlenen?quote:
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Tuurlijk haar macht is tanende. De snelle opmars van de populisten in Duitsland en de wetenschap dat ze spoedig vertrekt.
Definitely not CIA
