Protesten in Hong Kong zwellen aan

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Op zondag 4 augustus 2019 13:37 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:
Chinese leiders, ex-leiders en tientallen academici zijn sinds vandaag voor een paar dagen bij elkaar in Beidahe om te praten over van alles en nog wat en besluiten te nemen.

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Op zondag 4 augustus 2019 13:38 schreef Tyr80 het volgende:

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Beidahe is Mandarijn voor Bilderberg.

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HongKongFP twitterde op maandag 05-08-2019 om 15:37:21 A video circulating online on Monday shows protesters throwing apparent Molotov cocktails into a police station, causing fires next to parked police vehicles.https://t.co/kmLJLFCnSX #HongKong #antiELAB https://t.co/Bgz7WsjVHd reageer retweet

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YuxuanMichael twitterde op maandag 05-08-2019 om 14:05:25 BREAKING - Fighting has broken out at North Point between Protesters and local residents. #HongKongProtests #HongKong https://t.co/6MarDFjeAP reageer retweet

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Why do many westerners still support the Hong Kong protest even when it turned violent?

Answered 4h ago

I was just watching Braveheart last night on Netflix. The Western narrative is based around the romantic notion of the suppressed masses overthrowing their evil and oppressive ruler, king, governor, or government.

When they hear stories about a protest in other countries, to them, this is freedom porn. They like the idea of people dying for freedom, and dying to overthrow evil. It is noble. It's incredibly American, and a view shared by many of her allies.

You saw the fervour over the Arab Spring and whatever else Spring that popped up. I am not dismissing these things, I am just saying that to Westerners viewing this, it is spectacle and entertainment that plays to their belief system.

Have you noticed how many articles talk about government forces are brutalising peaceful protestors because the peaceful protestors are throwing firebombs at them?

Westerners love this. To them, this is classic good vs evil.

They just don't like it when it happens on their own doorstep. "Fuck that shit," they say before they brutalise and open fire on their citizens.

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How do you think the Chinese Government will respond to the Hong Kong protests (2019)?

Ming Chen � Add Credential
Answered Jul 8

None. To the Party, continued unrest made by 'Western-backed, pro-colonialism agitators' is propaganda gold. As Hong Kong's economic star falls over the last decade, their traditional arrogance against Mainlanders has risen. There is no public support for HK in the Mainland, nor can there be after 10 years of calling Mainlanders locusts and proclamations that 'Hong Kong is not Chinese'.

I think the actual young kids who are the rioters are just lashing out because of economic reasons. When a parking space costs more than a house, and you have no job or future, you are gonna riot.

They aren't special anymore and they are being economically swallowed by Mainland China and it's only gonna get worse. When they think Britain or Independence will solve their problems they are wrong. They just want to vent and destroy just to be anti establishment. Just troublemakers.

These young Hongkong people have always looked down on Mainlanders like sub-human and always poorer and less cultured, ie colonial brainwashing and Stockholm Syndrome.

These HK losers lost the "mainland" a long time ago when they went from anti-Communist to full on anti-China rhetoric more than a decade ago. With their anti-China hate speech and abhorrent behaviors, they have zero appeal to any Chinese with a functioning brain. They actually think any mainland Chinese want to become self-hating fools with no future?

Just like those brainwashed students thirty years ago, these HK losers fervently believe in their own hyped up fantasy, thinking they have more righteous appeal outside of their echo-chamber than they actually have, which makes them act essentially like a brainless cult, so one should prepare for more irrational violence from them.

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What were things like in Xinjiang during the '70s, '80s, '90s? How did things get worse?

When you can't find anything, you know it's something that smash the prescribed narrative into pieces, so we must pretend nothing is there to be seen and just move along. Long story short, it wasn't a problem because communism didn't have that problem. It's a problem now because the cold war ended and now foreign entities like America and Turkey made it a problem.

Oppression? Unrest? Communist countries like China was on the side of history that celebrated racial diversity and equality. Not just lip service, actual concrete policy that will trigger every right-wing person to no end. Meanwhile the "free world" was the one against this wave. Oppressed people rose up against the colonial masters for their freedom and democracy, and communist world colonial masters=0. People eliminated oppression form the west. Why do you think the alt-right fear ethnic acceptance as "cultural Marxism"?

Oppression and unrest of minorities was not a communist thing, was not a China thing. It's like asking where's the news about income inequality in communist nations. If anything it's the exact opposite direction that have our modern liberal virtue signaller's head explode and probably the ultra nightmare of alt-right nationalists.

XinJiang (and other autonomous regions) before the Cold War ended was a story of being governed by their own ethnic people and culture, of not having to even know the language (Hans were eventually forced to learn their language), of President Hu Yaobang making it national policy of "two less one wide" where it is open policy to punish minority criminals less for cultural understanding. Law enforcement and judiciaries are literally forced to be understanding of minority rights and give lighter sentences, arrest them less, be more "considerate of their culture and opinions". There's stories of how Tibetans gang raped a woman and you sentence them for only 3 years and the villagers still blame the woman for shamelessly dragging the men down. Of paedophilia behaviour in other cultures sentenced to less than a year for "cultural understanding" or sometimes waived because of local complaint.

Can you even begin to imagine America today if blacks were arrested less than whites? If it is literally law and factual practice that black rapists receive 3 years of jail when a white person would get 10? That Mexicans in states with high Mexican populations can freely live their whole life without knowing a word of English and it's the white people's responsibility to learn the fucking language if they want to do stuff in this state? That if Sharia or Hindu law said 12 is legal then it means green light to give child porn offenders 1/10th of the sentence if the guy belongs to the proper ethnicity? You think there would be organic minority unrest anywhere with this kind of treatment?

Shit only started to get bad when America become the hegemony and the Muslim world became open for game. It's not the CIA's job to go "yea let's not try to start shit here in XinJiang". Saudi Arabia meanwhile (Arabs in general) doesn't actually seem to care about these Uighur's that much, maybe I'm wrong, it's like Arabs are almost too proud for these Uighurs, if anything it's Uighurs doing all they can to go to Mecca and maybe receive some "blessings". Turkey is the big one trying to claim Uighurs as their own pan-Turk thing and have a hand in Xinjiang. Imams started flooding in pushing people to Islamic fundamentalism and nationalism, things had to get real bad like multiple mass murders like you listed before China eventually had enough. In Hu JinTao days he was still meeting the leaders with a little white cap on his head advocating for harmony. I forgot the incident, but the last straw was when Xi went there for the last time to booster cooperation and they had another massacre not 2 weeks later to "show him" their response. Secretary Chen was placed in leadership, massive firing of double agents within the government, massive crackdown ensued on mosques and Imams deemed to have extremist ideologies, borders controls became strict so the Uighurs who leave to fight for ISIS in Syria at most manage a one-way ticket. No more policy of tolerating crime and instead it became way more strict than the rest of the country, no more allowance of letting your children not go to school for education and not learn Chinese. And thus western media got their huge cash cow and excitement and massive projection opportunity.

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What were things like in Xinjiang during the '70s, '80s, '90s? How did things get worse?

It's a consequence of the opening up policy that foreign meddling through religious extremism started to gain a foot hold in China. I think the escalation of religious extremism in late 2000's is due to the advent of the social media, which acts as tools for indoctrination and agitation. I believe Facebook was banned in China for playing a role in the unrest in Xinjiang. The main culprit behind the scene will always be the US because it likes to cultivate Muslim extremism to use as tools against adversaries.

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What were things like in Xinjiang during the '70s, '80s, '90s? How did things get worse?

Lack of proper education, really bad school curriculum, lack of high-tech and technical jobs, open-door policy.

The central government should teach Kant's philosophy and perhaps a bit of metaphysics from the likes of Kant and Wittgenstein so that the analytical ability of people in the backward regions goes up dramatically.

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What were things like in Xinjiang during the '70s, '80s, '90s? How did things get worse?

Not many here know Chinese history. Read up on Hu Yaobang. Basically, everything was gravy until this mofo gave them more autonomy. Combined with a relatively weak Chinese government, the border around Xinjiang became porous and allowed in radical elements.

Take a look at what was going on around Xinjiang in the late 70's and early 80's. What was the big one? The Mujahideen rebellion against the Afghan government. The porous borders between Central Asia and Xinjiang helped facilitate idea transfer between the areas, and Salafism could easily spread in the impoverished areas.

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What were things like in Xinjiang during the '70s, '80s, '90s? How did things get worse?

Hui is a general term for Sinitic-speaking ancestral muslims. AFAIK, ancestry matters; you can't "convert" into Hui just because you choose to be Muslim.

Therefore Hui people do not necessarily share the same culture or even descent as Han people (it varies by region). Most are probably Hans who converted a long time ago, some may be Dungans from Central Asia, some may be the mixed descendants of Persian traders, some may be sinicized Mongols, whatever. But the one common factor is that they speak Sinic rather than the Turkic (Kazakh, Uyghur, Salar, Uzbek, etc), Iranic (Pamiri) or Mongolic (Dongxiang, Bonan) used by other Chinese Muslims.

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Zheng Zhang

Sorry guys, CCP is fighting a losing battle. I'm joining the protests now. I am a simple man, I see boobs, I become pro protest.

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Jiang Jinfu

It's a dirty communist plot to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids!

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Ming Chen

This is actually quite sad.

Not in a tragic way, mind you. Just...In what way is this even remotely related to democracy?

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Zhou Jiang

In war you shoot the medics first, but in Hong Kong you shoot the thots first, lol.

But in all seriousness, are these girls basically volunteer comfort women?.

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Ling Mao

There are rumours floating about one pro-democracy protester who called the police because his girlfriend actually gangbanged with other protesters while he was out protesting. If you are just a simple thirsty incel like most of them then you are safe without baggage!

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Zhou Enlai

Yes leave your girlfriend alone with a crowd of adrenaline fuelled teenagers but hey it's a free city after all.

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Liu Shaoqi

I'd riot too if all the talent in HK was like this.

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Yang Shakun

When you live in a 20 m� apartment with your parents of course you have to go outside to get some action.

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Chen Yun

So spreading democracy by spreading your legs? What about the manboy rioters? Are they going to be doing their part by spreading cheeks or offering shaft services too? It seems only fair.

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Zhu Yuanzhang

How ignorant!

To spread the gospel, ye must spread your legs first.

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Who and what are the big losers from the demonstrations and chaos in Hong Kong in the summer of 2019?

Dongye Qimeng, Answered 17h ago

Let's call a spade a spade.

These demonstrations are really about racism by honkies. They feel they are superior to mainlanders. This is racism, pure and simple.

China has known it for a long time. So it set up Shenzhen, which arguable has everything HK has but more. HK is facing a disastrous scenario, high costs and no jobs, because of their racist attitude towards China. But can you blame China for doing this?

Ultimately if it isn't about money, it's about racism.

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How do mainland Chinese feel about the protests in Hong Kong on the extradition law amendment?

Yan, lived in Hong Kong
Answered Wed

I feel that it’s gonna die down as the new semester comes around, which is September. Reasons as follows:

1. Majority of the violent mob are students (mostly incompetent ones) who can’t afford to lose their degree by skipping the next semester protesting for a cause their curriculum won’t agree upon. Same reason they ‘re wearing facial masks when messing with the social order, they don’t want to be identified by the government AND the school/college so that they may get expelled later.

2. China will celebrate its 70th anniversary on October 1, so something will be done beforehand to clean the mess, thus the focus in September/October will be on China’s achievements instead of the incompetent mob from Hong Kong.

From the moment they started to vandalize public buildings, discarding the Chinese national flags, biting off policeman’s finger, things changed subtly. These pathetic and spoiled people turned a peaceful negotiation/demonstration into something doomed, they will lose the heart of many sooner than they think. Let me tell you, you guys are everything different from the reasonable and rational demonstrators.

Cowards.

Why? If these violent protesters hate it so much to be in China, they should throw away their Hong Kong ID card, which has an emblem reading in Chinese: Hong Kong Special Administrative Region, People’s Republic of China. It’s right there on the back of the ID card, So far I haven’t heard of news covering the mass destruction of their own ID cards, what a bunch of clowns.

Guys, please throw your HK ID into the garbage, as I feel ashamed to admit that you’re, at the end of the day Chinese nationals.

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Are Confucianism and western democracy compatible?

No, Confucianism and western democracy are not compatible.

This is because western democracy is founded on Judeo/Christian/Islamic ideals of the law, that the law comes from their god (whatever they want to call it), and that everyone is equal before the law.

Confucianism is based on the concept of equal opportunity to rise in society based on success in learning, but equality ends there. If you take a closer look, Confucian society is based on pyramid relationships: the father is the head of the family, the mother is head for the children, the teacher is head of the school, the owner is the head of the business, the king is the head of the country, etc. People are defined by how they fit into each relationship, and they are expected to fulfill their roles in order for society to function. Confucian societies place special emphasis on order and rank, and people knowing their place and obligations in society. Their roles and responsibilities are clearly defined for them and they are expected to fulfill them.

Therefore, society is one big pyramid made up of many smaller pyramids which are connected by relationships. These relationships define the person and the society.

In western society, there is the individual and the law. American society is the most extreme example, which is why Americans worship the individual and individualism. There is much less emphasis on restrictions imposed by relationships, and Americans frequently see relationships as being restrictive. This would be unthinkable in a Confucian society such as China's, where the party sits at the top of the pyramid.

In order for a Confucian society to become like a western democracy, they would have to hold the law in the same reverence as Judeo/Christian/Islamic societies, and reject the idea of pyramid relationships defining the role for each person.

How likely is that to happen?

Not very likely.

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irEnriqueCortes twitterde op maandag 12-08-2019 om 22:25:39 🔴BreakingNews: Chinese leger staat voor de poorten van HongKong! Video opgenomen #Shenzhen net over de grens met #HongKong . Er gaat iets gebeuren https://t.co/6rQxzIvlVS reageer retweet

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Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 07:41 schreef dagobertE6 het volgende:
Die luie demonstranten moeten gewoon WERKEN in Hong Kong. Ik ga toch ook geen dagje vrijvragen om te protesteren tegen het slechte weer in Nederland?!!!

En 100% dat de protesten worden opgeruid door de VS, en we weten allemaal hoe het gaat als ze terroristen in ELK land financieren tot heisa...

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Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 08:14 schreef Jellereppe het volgende:

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China heeft Hongkong bewust veel ruimte gelaten na terugkeer in 1997. Dus veel ruimte om van die ruimte misbruik te maken.

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Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 08:15 schreef Nikonlover het volgende:
Dat waren ze ook verplicht

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Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 08:26 schreef speknek het volgende:
Die trucks zijn voor een jaarlijkse oefening. Dat is gewoon toeval. Ik bedoel de CCP kan besluiten ze de grens over te sturen en HK te bezetten, maar dan heb je wel gelijk heel HK tegen je.

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Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 10:50 schreef Discombobulate het volgende:
Is er een kans dat het Chinese leger binnenkort gewoon binnenvalt?

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Chinese intervention in Hong Kong would be a 'catastrophe', Patten says

LONDON (Reuters) - Hong Kong’s last British governor Chris Patten on Tuesday cautioned that if China intervened in Hong Kong it would be a catastrophe and that Chinese President Xi Jinping should see the wisdom of trying to bring people together.

Patten said it was counter productive of the Chinese to warn of “other methods” if the protests did not stop.

“That would be a catastrophe for China and of course for Hong Kong,” Patten told BBC radio. “Since President Xi has been in office, there’s been a crackdown on dissent and dissidents everywhere, the party has been in control of everything.”

Hong Kong returned to Chinese rule in 1997 with a guarantee that under a ‘one country, two systems’ mode of governance, the city would retain a high degree of autonomy, an independent judiciary and freedoms not allowed in mainland China.

Demonstrations have plunged the Chinese-ruled territory into its most serious crisis in decades, presenting Chinese leader Xi with one of his biggest challenges since he came to power in 2012.

Demonstrators say they are fighting the erosion of the “one country, two systems” arrangement.

Patten said British Prime Minister Boris Johnson should ask U.S. National Security Advisor John Bolton who is in London this week to get Washington to agree that it would be a “catastrophe” if China was to intervene in Hong Kong.

“I very much hope that even after 10 weeks of this going on, the government and President Xi will see the sense in establishing a way of actually bringing people together,” Patten said.

Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam said on Tuesday the city’s recovery from protests that have swept the Asian financial hub could take a long time and that she would be responsible for rebuilding its economy “after the violence eases”.

Her comments followed serious developments in the growing crisis over the past week. Beijing said on Monday the protests had begun to show “sprouts of terrorism” and the city’s airport was closed.

“There is a degree of frustration and anger at the government refusing to give any sensible ground at all which probably provokes more violence,” Patten said.

“I can’t believe that any rational person in Carrie Lam’s position would actually argue the case against a commission of inquiry,” he said.

“What’s clearly needed is a process of reconciliation. It’s the only way I think you’ll put a cap on this and get back to peace and stability in Hong Kong.”

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Op dinsdag 13 augustus 2019 08:26 schreef speknek het volgende:
Die trucks zijn voor een jaarlijkse oefening. Dat is gewoon toeval.

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Birdyword twitterde op dinsdag 13-08-2019 om 17:30:32 Police officer had his baton taken from him and was attacked with it. Drew his pistol and aimed at protesters. Astonished nobody killed here tonight. https://t.co/Wox8yziDnz reageer retweet