[Centraal] Crisis in Syrië en Irak #467

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Op vrijdag 20 juli 2018 13:07 schreef BEFEM het volgende:
En zelf hebben gekozen....

Kan er altijd slecht tegen als mensen alleen de overheid de schuld geven terwijl ze zelf onderdeel van het probleem zijn. Dat geldt voor corruptie in Irak, Griekenland en Afghanistan maar ook voor de financiële crisis in IJsland en Amerika of de huizencrisis in Nederland.

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Op vrijdag 20 juli 2018 11:51 schreef Rihanna_777 het volgende:

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“We have to be honest,” Mr. Hamoud said. “It was much cleaner under ISIS.”

Though the militants are gone, reminders of the Islamic State and their particular style of governance remain.

In the northern town of Tel Kaif, for example, residents recall how the militants conscripted a committee of electrical engineers to fix an overloaded power grid. They installed new circuit breakers, and for the first time, residents who had been accustomed to at most six hours of electricity a day could now reliably turn on lights.

In early 2017, Iraqi soldiers reclaimed the town, and were welcomed as heroes. But then they disconnected the Islamic State circuit breakers — and the power failures resumed.

“If the government was to go back to the system that ISIS put in place, we would go so far as to kiss their foreheads,” Mr. Younes, the truck driver, said at the time.

Within a few months, the government did just that.

The irony that it had taken a terrorist group to fix one of the town’s longstanding grievances was not lost on its citizens.

“Although they were not recognized as a state or a country,” said one shopkeeper, Ahmed Ramzi Salim, “they acted like one.”
https://www.nytimes.com/i(...)ents-mosul-iraq.html

De sjiieten in het zuiden willen elektriciteit, maar hebben tegelijkertijd tienduizenden soldaten geleverd om voor de corrupte regering te vechten, en het is dan ook niets meer dan goddelijke rechtvaardigheid dat ze lijden onder dezelfde corrupte regering waarvoor ze zelf hebben gestreden.

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Op vrijdag 20 juli 2018 11:32 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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hier kan je het PBS programma ook bekijken, in totaal 3 uur

https://video.wned.org/vi(...)saudi-arabia-pqsnhk/

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THE scene in the centre of Afrin, a Kurdish city in north-western Syria, hardly inspires confidence in the future. A destroyed statue of a mythical Kurdish hero is a reminder of the plunder of the city after its capture earlier this year by Arab and Turkoman rebels backed by Turkish tanks, from Kurdish rebels. The teenage son of one of the Arab rebels peddles cigarettes, a rifle across his knees. Another rebel directs traffic. Turkey argues it saved Afrin from terrorists and boasts of opening schools and hospitals. Residents are not exactly brimming with gratitude. “The Turkish soldiers are behaving decently,” says a Kurdish merchant. “But the bearded ones are big trouble,” he adds, referring to Islamist militants. “They’ve stolen so much.”

More than 100,000 civilians, and scores of Kurdish fighters known as the People’s Protection Units (YPG), fled Afrin when the Turkish army and its proxies swept in. Turkey considers the YPG an extension of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which has fought an insurgency against it for three decades. The Turks insist they have no plans to annex Afrin, and pledge to withdraw as soon as Syria’s war ends.

But the changes wrought by the incursion may be hard to undo. Turkish ministers suggested Afrin would become a magnet for some of the 400,000 Syrian Kurdish refugees in their country. However, it is mostly Arabs pouring into the region. (The YPG has not helped, reportedly stopping displaced Kurds from going home.) During a tour of the city organised by Turkish authorities, your correspondent met refugees from Ghouta, the Damascus suburb bombed to ruins by Syrian and Russian warplanes. One wave of human misery was breaking over another.

Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, does not intend to reverse the tide. He has threatened to take the war against the YPG into other parts of Syria. This puts him on a collision course with America, which teamed up with the Kurds against Islamic State (IS) and still sees them as insurance against an IS resurgence. (It denies their links to the PKK.) Mr Erdogan is not persuaded. “We have told all our allies and friends not to stand between us and terrorists,” he said earlier this year. The prospect of an escalation is not far-fetched. Insurgents allied with Turkey have clashed with American troops in eastern Syria.

Tensions between the two allies have recently eased. Under Turkish pressure, the Americans persuaded the YPG to withdraw from Manbij, which the Kurds captured from IS two years ago. Turkey and America also agreed to co-ordinate patrols. But Turkey now says that unless YPG forces east of Manbij disarm, it will be only a matter of time before Turkey attacks the group. “The plan is for the YPG to go without a fight, but if they want one we will give them one,” says one Turkish diplomat.

But Turkey may have bitten off more than it can chew. Security in Afrin is getting worse. A double bombing in June killed nine people. Reports of infighting and looting continue to surface. People in Afrin chafed under YPG rule, a local resident says, but the insurgents who followed are worse. “The Turks must make these monsters go home.”

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Op zaterdag 21 juli 2018 16:20 schreef IPA35 het volgende:
Moeten we evacuatie beschouwen als het permanent opgeven van Idlib/West-Aleppo?
Of juist een voorwaarde voor een meer agressieve aanpak?

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Op zaterdag 21 juli 2018 19:59 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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The milion dollar question! Dat ze straks zo geclusterd zijn maakt het wel makkelijker om ze aan te pakken, lijkt me. Ik denk dat het regime graag die kant op zal.sturen. vraag is wat willen de Russen? Hoe willen ze de balancing act tussen de Turken en het regime verder spelen? Ik kan me er alles bij voorstellen dat dat stukje Syrië een soort Turkse protectoraat blijft voor de afzienbare tijd. Hoewel een zuidelijk front scenario niet ondenkbaar is dat het binnen no time in elkaar klapt. Zie ik de Turken idlib niet zo makkelijk opgeven na de hoeveelheid investeringen daar.

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Op zaterdag 21 juli 2018 21:57 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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Begrijpelijk. Dat krijg je ervan als de Turken die gasten niet in het gareel kunnen houden.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 10:57 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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Nee die is is al een paar keer eerder geweest. Zal em dit keer ook niet worden.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 11:01 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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Voor de verandering een sgoed nieuws.

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 16:20 schreef Slayage het volgende:
gaan de turken en iraniers toch wel samenwerken tegen de PKK in irak? wel opvallend dat de iran PKK strijd weer oplaait na een lange periode van relatieve rust.

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BabakTaghvaee twitterde op zaterdag 21-07-2018 om 14:55:18 #BREAKING: This morning, plans for joint operation of #Iran & #Turkish Air Forces against #PKK/#PJAK terrorist camps in #Qandil,#Iraq was studied in #Iran's Armed Forces Joint Chief of Staff following to the massacre of 10 #Iran|ian border guards last night. (Archive Images) https://t.co/ezX6FOMn9d reageer retweet

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Op zondag 22 juli 2018 20:20 schreef Gilgamesh-X het volgende:
Fantastic news that we - UK and friends - have secured evacuation of White Helmets and their families - thank you Israel and Jordan for acting so quickly on our request. The WH are the bravest of the brave and in a desperate situation this is at least one ray of hope @Jeremy_Hunt