Summoner | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:22 |
![]() Summoning bestaat uit Protector en Silenius, twee Oostenrijkse heren die zich vooral bezig houden met het maken van onconventionele muziek. Silenius ken je misschien van Abigor en Kreuzweg Ost, en Protector ken je uiteraard van Ice Ages en Die Verbannten Kinder Eva's. Om Summoning in een genre in te delen is blasfemie. De Summoning-stijl is 'beyond description'. Waar heeft het mee te maken? De basis is Black Metal (een stijl die ze op hun debuut album "Lugburz" (zie icon) nog aanhielden), vooral in de vocalen en de distorted gitaar, maar het belangrijkste element van de sound is een laag middeleeuws-klinkende keyboards. Summoning heeft het op zich genomen om de muzikale manifestatie van de duistere elementen van Tolkien's Midden-Aarde te scheppen, zowel door middel van de teksten als door de muziek. En dat werkt!!! Discografie: Lugburz (1994) Under Construction Binnenkort plaats ik mijn review van "Minas Morgul"! [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Summoner op 09-12-2003 13:59] | |
hbuurt | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:24 |
Stronghold is m'n favo album van ze, echt gewelidige songs | |
Summoner | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:26 |
quote:Gek, dat vind ik de minste. Heb je de andere albums wel gehoord? | |
Diverse_Reality | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:26 |
Deze band is zwaar ok, toevallig eens mee in aanraking gekomen, gewoon cd'tje beluisteren in een muziekzaak. Toen meteen de cd (Minas Morgul) gekocht. Zelfs Stronghold kan ik erg waarderen, door veel mensen tot het slechtste werk van Summoning benoemd. | |
Summoner | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:27 |
quote:Voor mij geldt dat niet. Ik noem "Stronghold" het minst fantastische album. ![]() En dat album kreeg ook fantastische reviews hoor! ![]() [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Summoner op 17-12-2002 23:28] | |
Seborik | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:27 |
Ondanks dat ik niet zo'n black-liefhebber ben, kan ik dit toch goed waarderen, de keyboardpartijen zijn zeer interessant en zitten zowel qua klank als ritme erg goed in elkaar, het is uitnodigende muziek en samen met de soms wat droevige gitaarpartijen en de rauwe zang, klinkt het geheel als een sprookje, precies zoals je je bij LotR zou voor kunnen stellen. Ik heb nu alle albums behalve Lugburz, die komt binnenkort nog wel een keertje. Op Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame, maken ze ook gebruik van koorpartijen die de muziek rijkelijk aanvullen en het dramatische element flink versterken. | |
Seborik | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:29 |
Van Stronghold vind ik het minder dat er ineens een nummer met een vrouw doorheen zit dat compleet anders is op de een of andere manier dan de rest, de balans van het album wordt een beetje verstoord, maar dat wordt wel weer goed gemaakt door het sublieme eindnummer. ![]() | |
Summoner | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:29 |
quote:Hopelijk komen er nog vele albums! ![]() | |
Summoner | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:31 |
quote:Klopt. Silenius en Protector zien dat als een eenmalig experiment, dat helaas niet zo goed uitpakte. Ze zullen deze fout niet weer maken. | |
hbuurt | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:34 |
quote:ja maar smaken verschillen nou eenmaal... | |
Summoner | dinsdag 17 december 2002 @ 23:37 |
quote:I'll buy that. ![]() | |
Summoner | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:02 |
"Lugburz": [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Summoner op 23-09-2003 01:06] | |
Pietjuh | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:17 |
quote:Lugburz is best een cool album ![]() Al ligt het tempo van de nummers daar een stuk hoger dan op andere albums, maar dat zal vast wel komen doordat ze toen nog een echt drummer hadden ![]() Ikzelf heb nu lugburz, minas morgul en stronghold. Ik vind minas morgul de beste, vooral het nummer the passing of the grey company | |
Summoner | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:24 |
quote:Ook, maar voornamelijk omdat ze nog niet exact doorhadden wat ze met hun band wilden. Ze leken nog erg op Abigor in die tijd. quote:Pcies. Dan vindt je "Dol Guldur" ook geweldig, die is qua stijl bijna identiek aan "Minas Morgul" en staat vol met klasse composities! | |
Yokozuna | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:28 |
quote:Dacht al, waar blijft northern darkness Pietje nou! | |
Pietjuh | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:30 |
quote:Ja dat viel me ook best op ![]() Ik had nadat ik Lugburz geluisterd had, gelijk ook even een album uitgechecked van Abigor (nachthymnen) en vond toch wel stel overeenkomsten tussen deze 2 cd's ![]() quote:Hmm heb de overige albums van summoning op me verlanglijstje voor kerstmis gezet met nog wat andere cd's ![]() Ben benieuwd welke cd's me ouders uitgeselecteerd om mij te doneren met kerst ![]() [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Pietjuh op 18-12-2002 23:31] | |
Seborik | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:30 |
quote:Dat is nog de enige die ik mis. ![]() Had hem meteen moeten kopen afgelopen zaterdag eigenlijk. | |
Seborik | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:34 |
Waar halen jullie de albums eigenlijk, want ze hebben ze op zich niet op zoveel plaatsen? | |
Summoner | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:44 |
quote:Ik heb ze jaren geleden bij de Large besteld. | |
Summoner | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:46 |
quote:Klopt, maar vooral "Verwustung" en "Orkblut" doen aan "Lugburz" denken. quote:Waarschijnlijk die met de minst enge hoezen. ![]() | |
Pietjuh | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:47 |
quote:Ik heb ze tot nu toe bij displeased records besteld ![]() | |
Pietjuh | woensdag 18 december 2002 @ 23:49 |
quote:Orkblut, lekkere tolkien achtige titel ![]() Mijn vader zei dat ie de cds besteld had omdat ie er veel niet zo in de winkel kon vinden ![]() ![]() | |
Summoner | donderdag 19 december 2002 @ 00:03 |
quote:Hmmm, pas maar op straks stuurt hij ze terug! ![]() | |
Diverse_Reality | maandag 23 december 2002 @ 16:57 |
Zo eng zijn die hoezen toch niet??? Dat je ouders bij die nieuwe van Wurdulak even slikken, kan ik begrijpen ![]() | |
FLIPNEUS | maandag 23 december 2002 @ 17:24 |
Voor wat ik leuk vind en welk nummer ik het beste vind; zie de reactie van Pietjuh, ik heb exact dezelfde albums en heb hetzelfde favoriete nummer. ![]() Ik had het trouwens veel bruter verwacht, maar het is allemaal nog behoorlijk melodieus. Die drumcomputer is trouwens wel even wennen. Oh, ik vind het logo trouwens echt megastoer; en ik heb mijn CD's bij de FAME in A'dam gekocht, de enige plek waar ik ze tot nu toe ben tegengekomen. | |
Seborik | maandag 23 december 2002 @ 19:10 |
quote:Nee, ze zijn best wel mooi eigenlijk. | |
Summoner | dinsdag 7 januari 2003 @ 23:31 |
Minas Morgul review | |
Graveworm | dinsdag 7 januari 2003 @ 23:41 |
ik dacht altijd dat die nick van de band Summoner af kwam, ook niet de minste | |
Summoner | dinsdag 7 januari 2003 @ 23:46 |
quote:Nee, en ook niet van de band "Summon", maar dus echt van Summoning. ![]() | |
Seborik | woensdag 8 januari 2003 @ 00:25 |
quote:Coole review. | |
Summoner | woensdag 8 januari 2003 @ 00:44 |
quote:zenk juw! ![]() | |
Diverse_Reality | woensdag 8 januari 2003 @ 02:38 |
Moet toch Lugburz maar eens aanschaffen, die klinkt ook zeker niet verkeerd.. | |
Summoner | woensdag 8 januari 2003 @ 23:36 |
quote:Dat is een goed idee Diverse. En als die je bevalt kun je de Abigor albums ook gaan aanschaffen. ![]() | |
Seborik | donderdag 9 januari 2003 @ 00:32 |
Dat Lugburz, zijn die drums daarin nog wel bombastisch enzo of is het gewoon snelle blackmetal drum? | |
Summoner | donderdag 9 januari 2003 @ 23:01 |
quote:Nee, meer gangbaar als in bijvoorbeeld Abigor. Dus veel blastbeats, maar ook wel enige voorboden van de aankomende veranderingen. | |
Stormblast | zaterdag 11 januari 2003 @ 19:51 |
Hee Summmoner weet je of er ook werk van Summoning in platenzaken in de regio Rotterdam te verkrijgen is? ,ik heb wel wat op mp3 Summoning is behoorlijk vet. en vanaf welk album begonnen ze met die dramatische nummers ? | |
Summoner | zondag 12 januari 2003 @ 01:18 |
quote:Ik ben niet zo bekend in die regio, en ben al helemaal niet op de hoogte van goede platenzaken daar. Dus ik kan je eigenlijk niet helpen. Maar Summoning is niet zo obscuur als je zou denken, dus bij de meeste platenzaken die zich op metal richten hoor je het wel te kunnen vinden. Wat je ook kan doen is bestellen bij Disorder, Bol of desnoods Large! quote:Alles vanaf Minas Morgul (lees mijn review). Alleen het debuutalbum kent snelle passages. | |
Stormblast | zondag 12 januari 2003 @ 09:36 |
quote:Thanx ![]() | |
Evil | zondag 12 januari 2003 @ 16:01 |
Summoning is echt heel gaaf!!!! Heb alleen Minas Morgul, maar er zullen nog een aantal albums volgen. Helaas heb ik nog meer bands op mn lijst staan, dus kan het nog wel ff duren.... | |
Pietjuh | zondag 16 februari 2003 @ 16:57 |
Ik zat net beetje rond te neuzen op displeased records en ik zag dat in maart de nieuwe Summoning M-CD uit komt! ![]() Hij gaat Lost Tales heten en bevat twee nummers: Ik ben zeer benieuwd naar deze mcd http://www.memalon.de/summoning/sounds/saruman.mp3 | |
Summoner | zondag 16 februari 2003 @ 17:37 |
Dit nieuws komt volledig uit het niets! Wat een verassing! ![]() | |
Seborik | maandag 17 februari 2003 @ 22:43 |
Ook hier nog even, ik kan niet wachten. ![]() | |
Summoner | maandag 17 februari 2003 @ 22:55 |
quote:Let's raise an army!
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Seborik | maandag 17 februari 2003 @ 22:56 |
quote:And let mortal heroes sing our fame!
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Summoner | dinsdag 18 februari 2003 @ 22:59 |
Mijn Minas Morgul review staat nu ook op www.summoning.de! ![]() | |
Summoner | vrijdag 7 maart 2003 @ 23:10 |
Ik heb 'em eindelijk binnen! Twee geweldige composities! ff een reviewtje: Summoning - Lost Tales (2003) "Lost Tales" is niet een nieuw album van Summoning, maar een single met daarop twee composities die de heren Silenius en "Arcenstone" en "Saruman", zoals de twee nummers heten, zijn geen nieuwe tracks. Ze zijn opgenomen in de periode '97-'99, Door het ontbreken van de (Black) Metal elementen van de bekende Summoning sound, hebben de twee nummers een uniek karakter Mijn blijdschap om deze release is niet in woorden uit te drukken. "Lost Tales" is evenals de "Nightshade Forest" EP een Tracklist: 1. Arcenstone Score: 100/100 | |
Wodan | vrijdag 7 maart 2003 @ 23:15 |
Wow, 100/100. ![]() | |
Pietjuh | zaterdag 8 maart 2003 @ 11:50 |
Ik krijg de single samen met het album Dol Guldur waarschijnlijk aanstaande vrijdag binnen ![]() Ben best benieuwd | |
Summoner | zaterdag 8 maart 2003 @ 17:26 |
quote:Verwacht pure perfectie. ![]() | |
Pietjuh | zondag 30 maart 2003 @ 09:03 |
Ik heb nu dus al ongeveer 2 weken Dol Guldur en Lost tales. Het zijn echt zeer goede cd's ![]() Op Lost Tales vind ik zelf het nummer Arcenstone het mooist. Heerlijke rustige keyboard partijen, dus dat is lekker wegdromen bij deze muziek De cd Dol Guldur vind ik gewoonweg prachtig! Zelfs nog mooier dan de cd Minas Morgul. Het album begint al goed met een best mooi intro | |
StefanP | zondag 30 maart 2003 @ 10:22 |
Ik heb ook al hun CDs... Lugburz wordt tegenwoordig alleen maar als bierviltje gebruikt, ik kan daar echt niet meer naar luisteren.... wat een emotieloze herrie zeg. Dat ik dat vroeger mooi (cool?) vond ![]() Don Goldur en Minas Morgul luister ik nog wel af en toe, maar ze worden totaal overklast door Stronghold (imho hun beste album Ik vond LMHSYF toch wat tegenvallen na Stronghold... ik had een voortzetting verwacht van het rustigere en melodieuzere. Misschien dat ze dat wel geprobeerd hebben, maar ik vond het op Stronghold toch een stuk mooier klinken. | |
AudreyHepburn | zondag 30 maart 2003 @ 11:11 |
Hee, zelfs ik vind dit nog wel leuk. Gezien mijn grondige hekel aan grafmetal nadat het uitging met mijn Statovarius/Cradle/Orbituary-vriendje. * AudreyHepburn vind het wel aangenaam. | |
Seborik | maandag 12 mei 2003 @ 00:59 |
Lost Tales vind ik erg mooi. Het is wat minder bombastisch en wat dromeriger dan de rest heb ik het idee. Ergens mis ik de zang toch wel een beetje, hoewel de muziek ijzersterk op zichzelf staat. | |
Toffe_Ellende | maandag 12 mei 2003 @ 01:00 |
quote:wie neemt er dan ook een vriendje die van die herrie houdt... ![]() ![]() | |
metallicattim | maandag 23 juni 2003 @ 23:32 |
Toevallig eens geluisterd vorige week, en tklinkt super!!! Khad het album Stronghold gedownload, en dat is wel relax! | |
metallicattim | maandag 23 juni 2003 @ 23:56 |
Bij het derde nummer nu, damn, 4 x 10 min nummers Ook weer een vet album tot nu toe Zijn stem is vet in bevoorbeeld Elfstone vanaf een minuut of 10 tot het einde! | |
Pauline | dinsdag 24 juni 2003 @ 00:02 |
Ik ken slechts één album van ze, maar vind het heel lekker zo op z'n tijd. De keyboardjes & drumcomputers zijn af en toe een beetje jammer, maar melodieus= goed ![]() | |
metallicattim | dinsdag 24 juni 2003 @ 00:02 |
Khazad Dûm *fluut* *fluut* *fluut* *fluut* *fluut* ![]() | |
Pietjuh | zaterdag 19 juli 2003 @ 11:41 |
quote:Stronghold was ook het eerste album wat ik van ze gehoord heb. Toen vond ik het ook erg goed (nu nog steeds hoor ![]() ![]() Ik zal even een top lijstje maken met mijn favorieten! 1) Dol Guldur | |
Summoner | dinsdag 9 december 2003 @ 01:00 |
Oke, daar is 'ie dan eindelijk: het resultaat van mijn interview met de heren Silenius en Protector: This year Summoning has been in existence for a decade. Congratulations for keeping up the good work! How do you look back on the past ten years? Can you name some of the most positive and negative experiences with Summoning? Silenius: Looking back over the past 10 years we have a very good feeling of what we have done and how things have come out over all those years. Maybe you can devide the last 10 years into three phases. The first phase was a time of the demoreleases in combination with the first CD release Lugburz. This time was a very chaotic and excessive phase, not only connected to the music but also to our personal lives. Those were the times when we started to become serious musicians, when we still got totally drunk every second day, when we still where practiving in a fucked up rehersal room, when we struggeled against each other and had a complete fuck of attitude to everyone else. This time ended with the release of Minas Morgul. Since then we somehow have found our own style and maybe became what you can call serious musicians. The second phase ended with the release of Nightshade Forest; after that time the international black metal scene somehow broke up; all the bands tried to gain new directions. With the release of stronghold we somehow lost some of the old fans who thought that Summoning didnt have the old spirit anymore, but I think this is connected with the loss of the old metal spirit in general. People simply got bored of the scene; in contrary we gained a lot of new fans of the younger generations who started they first experience with Summoning with Stronghold. In this third phase the sound of Summoning turned a little bit more to an epic and majestic style; in contrary to the more medieval and hypnotic touch of the former releases.
Silenius: Looking back to the old demo songs and song titles and the whole concept in general; it may turn out nowardays of course total redicolous. But you have to imagine that when we started it was in a time when the first wave of death metal was on its top and we simply wanted to make the total opposite to this. We wanted to make everything as bad and fucked up as possible simply to provoke. Almost every biography of Summoning that I've read has said the following about the 'departure of Trifixion: "they kicked out Trifixion, who turned out to be a commercial thinking asshole." While I'm aware that you'd rather not discuss such a thing after all those years, I'd really like to know some more about this. What direction did he have in mind for Summoning? It must have really been something, considering the extensive commercial success of his band Trifixion! Protector: The problem with him is that he simply was not interested in the music. He always said that he scents some success with this band (because he knew that black metal was the new future trend), and this was the only reason why he played in Summoning. Apart from that he saw himself always as the intelligent part of the band, who is the only one who plays the instruments in an intelligent way. This means he always wanted to prove while making the music that he is the best and talented drummer in the world, by putting plenty of unnecessary breaks to the songs. He never understood that Summonings direction is something completely different. We didnt start music in order to present ourselves as rock stars; this is some thing Trifixion never understood. Anyway, now our keyboards play the drums, and we have everything we need for our music. The keyboards are no substitute for a real drummer for us; there are something much more and simple belong to Summoning.
Silenius: You are right; within the last releases we also made musical versions of different poets except Tolkien, and the songs didnt deal exatly with certain happenings of his writings. But I think this is nothing negative, it brings more variety to the imagination of the listener and brings us more freedome in the way of composing. Nevertheless the main topic is till connected with middle earth, just enriched with some other similar fantasy topics.
Silenius: Basically I must say that it is no secret that we dont write lyrics on our own. Meanwhile we have taken most of the Tolkien poems which we thought to be the best for our songs and so it is difficult to make new musical translations of his poems the result is that we search for similar lyrical inspirations to make musical versions on them. The poems of Michael Moorcock were the first ones which I thought would fit to our music and I think in the future we more and more will try to search for new fantasy poems which we can handle with. If you have any ideas please tell us.
Silenius: Yes I know some books of him; they are easy to read, interesting but nothing special. All in all I must say that there are just a very few fantasy authors who combine their stories with poems included, but I still wont give up my search.
Protector: No definitely not. Especially now as it becomes more and more a trend there is no reason to ever use real instruments for Summoning. The only difference between real instruments and keyboard instruments is that the real ones sound more real (if they sound better or worse depends on the taste of the listener). And because Summoning doesnt make real music but fantasy music, a real element would rather displace the music of Summoning. Apart from that using a real orchestra simply takes away our control from the end result of the music and gives the responsibility to a conductor. This is what I definitely never want to do. Recording and mixing the CD by our own is meanwhile a main element for the creation of a new Summoning release.
Protector: I think this is not necessary, and gives for me those bands a total anti-underground image. A real orchestra is something totally institutionalized. I would be rather ashamed to stand in the middle of plenty of professional classical musician who all surely play much better their instrument than be but get far not the attention than I get. For me all this reminds me much more on a Hollywood event than on an underground band. Why dont they also engage some ballet dancers or better some chorus line girls
Protector: Well this depends on the situation. There are times where I see him often apart from music and there are times where I dont see him so often but we surely dont only meet because of music.
Protector: Well this would not make much sense, because I already have my other two projects. The special thing about Summoning is that we as different musical people work together. Making an other project together with Michael would rather be a copy of Summoning; this would not make sense.
Protector: This was a long time ago and I was only drummer there. The problem about this band was that I had some troubles with the guitar player at the end. He was a total strict and narrow minded anarchy-type and although I am definitely no person with right political views I had some quarrels with him, so it was the best to stop. Apart from that this music was extremely progressive and thinking now about it I realize that it definitely was not my kind of music; but anyway it sort of important for me because it was my first experience as a metal musician.
Protector: The master mind of this band is definitely Ashley. He composes all songs and writes all lyrics. But on the CD where I was involved I composed all bass guitar lines. I really enjoyed playing in this band because this wave Cure style enabled me very much to play total creative bass lines which were very independent to the rest of the music. This was for me a very different way of making music (compared to my normal computer keyboard working style). I left the band because I simply didnt have time for all these live gigs which they did the whole time, and I definitely dont have any problems with any member of this band. Everybody knows that I am a fan of drum computers (more than real drums), but the fact that after my department they engaged a real drummer and got far more rocky was rather a coincidence. I surely did not manipulate them in any way.-)
Protector: You are right that my favourite is always the last one (because it simple is adapted most to our current taste), but apart from the last one for both of us also Minas Morgul is the best one. This CD simple started our style and can there fore be seen as our real debut. Silenius: From the older releases Minas Morgul is definitely the best, because it was the basic of having found our own style. Throughout the years most of our fans always preferred Dol Guldur, but in my oppinion this album was just a complete duplication of Minas Morgul. "Lugburz" has been in existence for almost nine years now. There are some very fine songs on that album, but it's most definitely not as great as the subsequent ones. In some way I don't really consider "Lugburz" a Summoning-album, although the building blocks of the sound are obviously there. Looking back on that album and the period in which it was created, what are your thoughts about it? Protector: For me this album is surely not so important than any other Summoning albums, but anyway we will never deny it. It was an important album because it was our first try and we really were able to let off all our black metal ideas with it. We liked this provocation we spread with the music and love the freshness of this new style. Surely it is no real Summoning album (simply because of the hectically real drums), but with this CD we got in contact with keyboards and therefore it can be seen as the cradle of all future Summoning releases.
Protector: I already had composed the whole song Trapped And Scared for Ice Ages when I first played it to Michael. He immediately liked it and asked me if we could use those harmonies also for Summoning and I agreed. It didnt take long to make a Summoning version of it so it became the last track on Dol Guldur. A short time later I noticed that this song was for most people the favorite song of the CD. I was very pleased when "Nightshade Forests" was released. It was like a short Dol Guldur part 2. I love all four tracks, especially "Kortirion Among the Trees", which has one of the most beautiful melodies I've heard. As for the production: the battle drums sound really powerful, but the guitar sound is a bit odd though, it's very much in the background, more so than on the other albums. Was this done intentionally? Protector: No definitely not. On this release we made a bad mistake. Those times we thought that a summoning guitar sound sounds the better the more raw it sounds; so we thought why dont we record the guitars directly, without any amplifier?. This sounded first quite ok but during the mix we noticed that it was horrible, so we hade much stress to undo this. The effect was that the guitars became very silent. This was the reason why we put so much focus on the guitars on Stronghold again (as sort of reaction to the week guitars of Nightshade Forest).
Protector: No we didnt know; and actually this is not a problem for us. It sounds good no matter if others have used it or not. "Stronghold" has been one of the most important Summoning albums. Even though it probably alienated a couple of the old, less open-minded fans, I believe it opened the door to a larger audience. Lots of reviews I've read about this album mention that "Stronghold" is a big leap forward for Summoning. It took me a while to adjust to the different sound and structure of the "Stronghold"-style. Guitars play a much larger role here, and a lot of the melodies of the songs are now carried through sung choruses instead of keyboards. How did this big difference between "Dol Guldur / Nightshade Forests" and "Stronghold" come into being? Perhaps you can point out some influences? Protector: After the release of Stronghold I was quite surprised about the different reactions. While many people had a short of shock because of the change in style, others still accused us to be boring because we never change our style. We think that this release was surely a larger step than for example the step between Minas Morgul and Dol Guldur, but nevertheless that we kept our typical style. The reason for this stronger focus on the guitars was surely the lack of guitar power of Nightshade Forest. We missed the guitars on this release and wanted to bring them back on Stronghold. Apart from that this was the first time we recorded our music in my own studio. So we had much more time and were able to experiment much more. I also had of course much more time for the guitars and so I was able to play much more difficult and complicated guitar lines than ever before (which now contrasted to the typical black metal tremolo style of the refrains). This album was definitely our most rocky CD we ever made and surely also the most commercial one because of the stronger guitars and also the stronger focus on vocals and refrains. The loudness of the drums was also a bit reduced so the whole music was never ever closer to the common taste in the metal scene than on this release.
Protector: Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame was for us a sort of Back To The Roots Cd. Although you are right that we kept some elements of Stronghold (especially the more complicated guitarstyle) this CD again contained much more polyphonic keyboard structures. Whereas the keyboards on Strongohold were quite simple and rather like an accompaniment for the guitars and vocals, on LMHSYF they had a much more complex structure; also the drums became louder which made the music less rocky and more epic again. There is no reason to expect any radical changes for the next release, because again we will record the music in my own studio. There are no concrete plans for the new CD (like always all changes come our rather spontaneous). We will definitely keep the more polyphonic style as well as the more complicated guitars; this is all I can say for now. The use of LOTR-related samples taken from various radio broadcasts on "Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame" works remarkably well. It really adds to the atmosphere, it's as if characters are emerging from the sound. But what I like the most about these samples, is the way you use some of them 'melodically' instead of just throwing them in there. A couple of these repetitive samples actually build upon the melodies of the song, which is brilliant in my opinion. Was this something you had envisioned from the start, or did it develop while you were experimenting with them? Protector: I also noticed those sort of vocal tunes and also really appreciated this fact. Especially on the song South Away they are for us so melodically nearly carry the whole song. But to be honest we didnt always envision those resulting melodies, we simply tried many of them and took the ones that suited best to the songs. But what surely increased the feeling of this vocal melodies was the fact that we adjusted the rhythm of the vocal samples to the song. Even the shortest sample was always chopped into small peaces and then rearranged to the rhythm of the songs by ourselves; this surely give them the feeling as if the speech samples were nearly made for the songs (but we never adjusted the pitch of those samples).
Protector: There was never a plan to integrate Tania as a new member of Summoning. This was rather an experiment which many people like and also many people hated. I like the song, but we dont think that it would be a good idea to drive Summoning into any gothic metal direction, so we didnt think about any female vocals for the future.
Protector: We both are very satisfied with this song, but we didnt think too much about the use of them for the future release. Maybe we will or maybe we will not. But I will surely never sing solo on Summoning; only in this choir style. The reason for this is that I want to keep a quite strict border between Summoning and Die Verbannten Kinder Evas. This border would be destroyed if I would sing in my DVKE way for Summoning. The same goes for DVKE where I will surely never add any Summoning vocals, rock drums or guitars to the music.
Protector: As always the recording and mixing process was very important for me. It is a part of the creation process like the composing, and I especially care very much about the drums (especially the tom toms). The mixing took me more than a month of full time work and now I am satisfied with the result. Of course I know that this sound is not the taste of everyone (because the drums are too loud and the guitars to quiet for the average metal listener) but this is simply what makes the style of Summoning. We achieve our power by epic pounding drums rather than by heavy guitar chords.
Protector: For all of the recording and mixing process I only use my PC. I use the DSP Factory as Soundcard, which has a built-in mixinger; so there is no need for a conventional mixing board. As Midi and Harddisc recording program I use Logic Platinum Audio, and to edit my two synthesizers (Korg Trinity and Roland Jv1080) I use sounddiver. My microphone is AKG C3000. For me the digital way of mixing music is much better than the traditional way. This way I can store perfectly the last mix; forget it and start with another one, and later continue with the old one (starting directly from the point where I last left it).
Silenius: No Napalm didnt push us to release that. Originally we wanted to make a limited vinyl release for the dy hard fans only, but Napam didnt want to do that because of being to expensive so we made the normal CD release. Although many people didnt like this release too much it was very important for us to make a release with now guitars and vocals within. It was a kind of statement, that Summonings music also can work without the typical metal touch, and it was also a statement against all the narrow mindedness of people who are limited to metal klischees.
Silenius: The original demo of Mirkwood combined four songs from which Arcenstone simple was the best one and most close to Summoning sound. The other songs are more experimental and originally should have been something different to Summoning and DVKE, but with the same athomosphere. Just the sounds should have been in a more variety and experimental mood. Originally Elisabeth T. should have made all the vocals over them, but in the end everything failed because the song still sounded to similar to the first mentioned bands and meanwhile Elistabeth T. concentrated on Dargaard.
Protector: The new CD will be definitely as dark (or even darker) as In Darkness Let Me Dwell. It will be as slow as IDLMD but again much more polyphonic. There will be more dominate bass sounds which give the songs more power and more darkness. But for me the main point of the new CD is the fact that I found a new singer for DVKE. Her name is Sinem and she lives in Turkey and she is also bass player in the black metal band Sadistic Spell. We never met personally, but anyway we already made all rehearsals via Internet and are now ready to record the CD (she will record it in Ankara and then later send me her recording with via post). How did you come in contact with her? Protector: I got to know her because she is a great Summoning and DVKE fan and one day decided to contact me, because of this. After some time she told me that she already made some private cover versions of old DVKE songs (I mean she sung to the songs and recorded them). I immediately liked her voice but still though that Turkey is simply to far away to make a recording together. But because Tania was simply to apathetic and passionless to sing for the new CD I searched for a new singer and received some reactions for it. But with each day it became clearer and clearer for me that I will definitely not find such a committed and talented singer with such a perfect voice for DVKE then Sinem so I decided to make the recording with her and to record our vocals over this far distance (separately).
Protector: Sinem is extremely talented and has a brilliant voice. She has a classical voice which is not too far from Tanias voice but in contrary to Tania her voice is higher and has a much greater pitch range. So now I am able to create much more female two-vocal tunes which gives the whole CD a more powerful effect and makes the music more complex. Since I know that she will sing I rearranged most tunes and added many additional tunes for her. She is not only responsible for the beautiful vocals but also for enabling me to enrich the songs very much.
Protector: No in contrary. Because I am so satisfied with the new vocals Sinem sings about 70% of the time. My voice will be sometimes like on In Darkness Let Me Dwell but also again sometimes higher (rather monk-styled again). Tania didnt like the higher voice of me so much so I didnt think much about singing high on the last CDs, but because of Sinems encouragements and preferences for my higher voice, I started to integrate it again to the songs. Now I think that the balance between my deep and dark voice with the monk-styled one is a good combination and brings more variety to the songs than on In Darkness Let Me Dwell.
Protector: Right after the release of DVKE, I will start to work for Ice Ages (as well as for Summoning). This project is very important for me (the same important as all other projects of mine). I think the new songs will follow the slow, heavy and extreme dark and no-future-styled direction of This Killing Emptiness. I will definitely keep my distorted inhuman cold voice style combined with the distorted drums and cold synthesizer sounds.
Protector: For me those bands are enough and all I need to express my ideas. They represent the music I listen to (especially Ice Ages). As I only listen to dark (or at least melancholic) music these three projects represent everything that is important for me in music. Making any other style would not be honest because this would not be the music that I really feel inside me when I make new songs.
Protector: Yes I guess about 70% of all DVKE fans or Ice Ages fans got to know this project because of Summoning. To my big surprise there were much more very open minded Summoning fans than I would have thought. Especially the understanding of the music of Ice Ages surprised me because a long time I thought that pure electronic sounds are the greatest enemy for any metal fan; but I was wrong. I rather expected more reaction from the gothic scene, but again I was wrong. I had to face the fact hat many of the people from the gothic scene are extremely prejudiced against any musician not being born in the gothic scene. I know that still many gothics estimate the music of DVKE as Metal only because I am also member of a metal band!! This is simply ridiculous in my opinion and really disappointed me about the gothic scene (imagining them listening to some pure 80ties heavy metal riffs in a Lakrimosa song, but denying DKVE because it is metal!! )
Silenius: Concerning the industrial scene, there are some very well known bands from our country like Der Blutharsch, Novy Svet, Allerseelen, Rasthof Dachau and Graumard. Protector: Sorry but I am not so informed about the present dark wave scene. I rather listen to dark, hard electronic bands like especially Infact and also Suicide Commando.
Silenius: The ABMS is long dead and gone. In the first years it was very important for us to have a center of the very few bands, tapetraders and collaborateurs to help each other in ways of promotion and propaganda. As soon as most of the bands made their way it broke up, because meanwhile the egos and visions of the protaginsts have become to different and since then everyone concentrated on his own work.
Silenius: To be honest I didnt follow the Austrian Metal scene too much. I think the only new recommendable band is maybe woodtemple. I dont know the music of Amortis ,but of course I know Golden Dawn. The first release of this band was a real killer one, but in contrary to the term never change a winning team Stefan T. changed everything and unfortunately became a klische bursting gothic metal band. If he doesnt want to make musical suicide he should change immediately and go back to his roots at once.
Silenius: I dont know. The lastest release of PK was the hellbound spilt CD with Amestigon in which I also have been involved. Later I had a talk with him to make a full reunion with Abigor, with the original line up and a musical turn back to our roots. First he was in a positive mood for this realization, but some day later he told me to burry Abigor. I dont know the exact reason for this decision but I think that he couldnt come along with TT anymore and I also think that his and my musical preferences differ too much at least. But as far as I know Peter this decision must not bee the last one, maybe in some years he changes everything and Abigor could rise up again.
Silenius: In the moment I work very hard on the new stuff of Kreuzweg Ost with two new members. In contrary to the first release the songs are a mixture between hard instustrial and very melodic parts. We have a lot of unsifnnished songs and I hope the new CD will be finished somewhen next year.
Protector: Since Ray moved to Canada some years ago we dont see him so much anymore; I only chat with him some times, but not more. The last time he told me that he is working again for a new Raventhron CD (which will be a bit more Emperor styled as he told). Let's get back to Kreuzweg Ost. I'm curious as to it's birth. I find it hard to believe this band emerged from a spontaneous chat over a couple of beers. Silenius: It is not secret that I always stated in interviews that over the last 5 and 6 years my personal musical taste left the metal scene and drove me more to the dark and experimental industrial scene with all it subgenres like "Dark Ambient", "Ritual", "Power-electronics" and experimental music.
Silenius: In advance of this release I drowned myself in all kind of literature dealing with the second world war and as I was fascinated about this topic connected with the technical revolution of that time I wanted to use this topic as the basics of this first release but more seen from the everyday live of those troubled times and always with a little sense of very black humour included.
Silenius: Basically I like or better said I am interested in most of the outputs of following labels like "Tesco Organisation", "Loki Foundation", "State Art", "Cold Spring" or "Hauruck".
Silenius: Our musical roles were strictly divided. I brought all the samples from noise samples over musical samples to the lyrical ones and made the basically melody-lines. As martin is a skilled engineer he put everything together in a way both of us were satisfied in the end.
Silenius: Meanwhile I work on the new compositions with two new members as Martin has not time anymore. Most of the new songs are a lot easier to follow for the listener with more melody lines and better song structures. This was not planned it just happened. Nevertheless you will see that the result will be again typical for "Kreuzweg Ost", just a little bit different. If a song takes a lot of time to compose or not depends on our mood; sometimes we start a song couldn't get along try something different and all at once it may fit. Everything is much more experimental than for example making a Summoning song were the rules of composing are very limited.
Silenius: I am not very happy with this statement, because if you listen carefully to the record and listen to the samples it naturally comes out that this CD is not a propaganda one for fascism, but on the other hand Napalm wanted to make a clear statement for all those distributions and magazines who just listen to one song and make the opinion over it. Nevertheless we of course had a lot of troubles with this release because of the topic; as you said some labels and distributions sent the promo back; only one (I think it was "Metal Blade") wanted some more promos. All in all "Kreuzweg Ost" was never planned to be an easy going product and a crowed puller but that is the way it is and that is the way it will be.
Silenius: Max of Napalm already knew the material and it was of course obvious for him that he can't sell anything of this. In the end we sold about 3000 copies which are a lot for this type of music but nothing for Napalm, so he did it just because I am a good friend of him and for no other reason.
Silenius: As we are not finished with the new album I don't dare to say anything for the endresult. We simply will se what will come out in the end. I hope the release will be finished somewhen in the middle of next year, hopefully I can say the same for the new Summoning release. So wait and see. But next year definitely will be the year of new releases and start will make DVKE.
Silenius: This time we have no basic lyrical scene, each song deals with a special film related to the years 20 - 50. The one song that is already finished for example deals with the old version of "Mädchen In Uniform". You can hear the voice of the leading female director of a very conservative and catholic girl school. So in some cases we will be again very provoking just in another way.
Protector: Infact: Fatal Error Suicide Commando: Mind Strip Loreena Mc Kennitt: The Mask And The Mirror Sophor Aeternus: Dead Lovers Saraband Silenius: His Devine Grace: Die Schlangenkönigin Combative Alignment: Rites of higer communication Derniere Volunté: Everything. Inade: Everything. 41.
Protector: Because we were both working for our other projects the last time there is not a single finished Summoning song existing, but a short time ago Silenius started to create the complete basis for a new Summoning song. Although it is only a plain keyboard structure (without any typical Summoning elements) I can already say that this songs will become a sort of summoning hit song; I really like it. Once I finished DVKE I will start to work for Summoning with full power and then the creation of the new CD will progress in huge steps.
Protector: I would not change any thing (although kicking Trifixion is a very temptation imagination:-) I think that everything that happened to us in our musical charier, had a special meaning for us. If we would never have played with Trifixion we maybe would not be able to evaluate the power of your keyboard drums, and would now maybe sound rather like a normal metal band. [Dit bericht is gewijzigd door Summoner op 09-12-2003 01:14] | |
metallicattim | dinsdag 9 december 2003 @ 11:11 |
DAT is pas een interview!! ![]() ![]() ![]() | |
Summoner | dinsdag 9 december 2003 @ 13:48 |
Ik wilde er meteen zoveel mogelijk uithalen. ![]() | |
metallicattim | dinsdag 9 december 2003 @ 15:45 |
volgens mij duurde dat interview nog langer dan een optreden. en twas volgens mij ook nog intensiever ook ![]() maargoed, zeker een vet interview | |
Summoner | dinsdag 9 december 2003 @ 21:15 |
quote:Hehe, deze 'band' treedt nooit op... ik heb dit interview op digitale wijze kunnen doen. ![]() | |
Angel_of_Dth | donderdag 22 april 2004 @ 22:56 |
Ik kwam vandaag de cd Minas Morgul tegen op een niet nader te specificeren plaats. Ik dacht "Hey die bandnaam ken ik, even luisteren". Tot nu toe bevalt het me erg goed. Ik heb de cd 1 keer helemaal gehoord, en vanmiddag, voordat ik naar school ging, even een stukje. Nog geen favorieten tot nu toe. Maar zeker een band om eens grondig te gaan leren kennen, denk ik. ![]() | |
Seborik | maandag 7 juni 2004 @ 16:31 |
quote:Cool. | |
Man_Made_God | zondag 26 september 2004 @ 18:01 |
En weer is er een band in mijn steeds groter wordende muziek-collectie opgenomen dankzij Muziek. Wat is dit een heerlijke muziek. Ken nog niet veel nummers (allemaal losse platen, downloads), maar wat ik tot nu toe heb gehoord nodigt uit tot meer!\ edit- en als ik de verhalen hier zo lees, zal Stronhold mij wel interesseren... Zal eens kijken! | |
metallicattim | zaterdag 13 november 2004 @ 20:51 |
ik luister nu het nummer Following Your Insights, en dat klinkt absoluut niet zoals ik Summoning ken! Hebben ze nog meer van die nummers? | |
Pietjuh | zaterdag 13 november 2004 @ 20:59 |
quote:Ken dat nummer niet, op welk album staat het dan? ![]() | |
Summoner | zaterdag 13 november 2004 @ 21:19 |
Dat is van de band Summoner, waar ik absoluut niks mee te maken wil hebben! ![]() | |
Seborik | zaterdag 13 november 2004 @ 21:24 |
Whehe. ![]() | |
Graveland | zaterdag 13 november 2004 @ 22:52 |
En dit topic is altijd aan mijn aandacht ontsnapt! Heerlijke band, dat wel ![]() | |
metallicattim | zondag 14 november 2004 @ 05:00 |
quote:Ow hehe dan kloppen de benamingen van mn mp3's niet ![]() mjah Summoner klonk wel goed, dus die moet ik eff checken! | |
Pietjuh | zaterdag 11 december 2004 @ 14:48 |
Er is weer een lading nieuws op de site gekomen! ![]() quote: quote: quote: quote:Ben echt benieuwd naar het nieuwe album, en vooral ook naar die nieuwe Kreuzweg Ost cd ![]() | |
Summoner | zaterdag 11 december 2004 @ 18:53 |
Opmerkelijk dat toen ik Richard interviewde, hij het gebruik van female vocals op toekomstige albums helemaal niet zag zitten. Terwijl ze het nu wel degelijk overwegen. | |
Pietjuh | zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 15:44 |
![]() Cover van de nieuwe Summoning cd die ws ergens in de zomer uitkomt ![]() De nieuwe kreuzweg ost komt ook zeer binnenkort uit! ![]() | |
ethiraseth | zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 15:47 |
Ja, wordt een fijn jaar. nieuwe Summoning, kreuzweg ost én eindelijk een nieuwe die verbannten kinder eva's ![]() ![]() | |
Summoner | zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 16:31 |
De hoes is alvast weer prachtig. | |
OProg | zaterdag 11 juni 2005 @ 20:56 |
quote:Een soort symfo-kitsch ![]() | |
Summoner | zondag 12 juni 2005 @ 14:15 |
No way in Mordor baby! | |
Arcturus | woensdag 29 april 2009 @ 21:57 |
Minas Morgul ![]() | |
#ANONIEM | donderdag 30 april 2009 @ 08:39 |
Ik heb gister Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame en Oath Bound gekocht. Wat een machtige muziek. ![]() ![]() | |
#ANONIEM | vrijdag 1 mei 2009 @ 09:25 |
Ik heb Oath Bound nu vier keer geluisterd en ik weet niet wat het is maar ik vind het gewoon geweldig. Zelden zulke dromerige muziek gehoord. En dat geluid van die gitaar dan, vraag me af hoe ze zo'n geluid maken? |