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It has been a week of mismatches in the Champions League: Chelsea 6 Qarabag 0; Celtic 0 Paris St Germain 5; Feyenoord 0 Manchester City 4. Seven of the 16 group matches were won by margins of three goals or more, underlining José Mourinho’s point that, for the elite teams (and he no longer includes the English clubs in that category), the group stage has become little more than a “warm-up” for the knockout stage in the spring.
There were a few truly compelling contests too: Liverpool 2 Sevilla 2; Tottenham Hotspur 3 Borussia Dortmund 1; even Barcelona 3 Juventus 0, despite the one-sided scoreline. It is the inequalities that stick out, though, and it speaks of something far more significant than tactical inadequacies, underperformance on the night or even the state of Scottish and Dutch football when, in the space of 24 hours, Celtic and Feyenoord have both suffered their heaviest home defeats in all their decades of playing in European competition. Feyenoord 0 Manchester City 4: Stones soars for double in Rotterdam
Those defeats for Celtic and Feyenoord were likened, in newspaper write-ups, to the type of occasion that sees a middling Sky Bet Championship team pitted against a Premier League heavyweight in the FA Cup. That is probably about the reality of it these days for these two great clubs, who faced each other in the European Cup final in 1970 but have had to adjust to a reality in which Champions League qualification has almost become an end in itself.
Towards the end of last season the CIES Football Observatory revealed that the Champions League was the third most unbalanced competition in Europe (behind the Cypriot and Austrian domestic leagues) with 21 per cent of its matches won by at least a three-goal margin. This week saw 43.75 per cent of Champions League matches won by at least a three-goal margin and, while it will be surely seen as an extreme week, it adds to the sense of predictability in a competition in which the 24 semi-final places over the past six seasons have been taken by just nine different clubs (three Spanish, two German, two English, one Italian, one French). If a club from beyond the top six leagues makes a quarter-final, it is seen as a great curiosity. Heck, we live in an era in which reaching the final has assumed the feel of an underdog story for clubs the size of Borussia Dortmund, Atletico Madrid and even Juventus.
The more the European football landscape has been moulded to the design of the mega-rich elite, from the biggest and most commercially powerful leagues, the greater the competitive imbalance has become. The worst thing about it is that there will be those in European football’s corridors of power who look at the situation and conclude that if there is a problem (and a problem will only ever be discerned if the growth of commercial revenue or viewing figures does not live up to expectations), it lies with the presence of teams like Celtic, Feyenoord, Qarabag and Apoel rather than with the financial inequalities that have brought such predictability.
When the Champions League group stage began 20 years ago, with Newcastle United recording a famous 3-2 victory over Barcelona, the 24 competing teams were drawn from 15 different leagues. This season there are 32 teams, but 15 of them are drawn from just four leagues (England, Spain, Germany and Italy) with a further nine coming from another five leagues (France, Portugal, Russia, Turkey and Ukraine). All that leaves space for is the champions of Azerbaijan, Belgium, Cyprus, Greece, Holland, Scotland, Switzerland and Slovenia — and in their opening fixtures this week, those eight champions recorded a total of one point (well done, Maribor), scoring just three goals and conceding 28. Chelsea 6 Qarabag 0: Zappacosta scores wonder goal on first start
Next season will see a further restructuring, with the top four leagues guaranteed 16 of the 32 places, ensuring that no team from England, Spain, Germany and Italy has to negotiate one of those pesky play-off rounds that saw Hoffenheim eliminated by Liverpool this time. There was a move a few years back — proposed by the former Uefa president Michel Platini, grudgingly accepted by the European Club Association — to shape the play-off rounds to the benefit of domestic champions, rather than those finishing third or fourth in the biggest leagues, but from next year the playing field will be less even than ever before. Once the French, Portuguese and Russians have taken their allocation, we are probably looking at six or seven places for the rest of Europe.
No, this is not a lament for the days when the European Cup was only for champions (which meant that, for example, Liverpool reached the semi-final in 1980-81 by beating Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia 11-2, 5-0 and 6-1 on aggregate respectively); the Champions League has become a far more compelling spectacle in all sorts of ways, many of them linked to the brilliance of the elite teams, most notably the Barcelona and Real Madrid sides of recent years. Celtic 0 Paris Saint-Germain 5: PSG’s superstar attack to hot to handle
It has surely been to the sport’s detriment, though, that so much money and therefore so much talent is now concentrated among a handful of uber-rich, uber-powerful clubs from the biggest leagues — and that, on the flip-side, continually reaching European competition has led to the creation of unassailable elites in many domestic leagues. Basle, beaten 3-0 by Manchester United on Tuesday, have been champions of Switzerland eight years in a row. Celtic have been champions of Scotland six years in a row. Regular qualification for the Champions League, even if only the preliminary rounds, has given them financial resources their domestic rivals can barely imagine. By the same token, their resources are now miniscule compared to those of the giants in the big leagues.
It was not always thus. It is only the past decade that, for clubs in the smaller leagues, the playing field has begun to feel so hopelessly uneven. The imbalances that have grown, both between leagues and crucially also within leagues, are entirely a product of the rich-get-richer mentality that fuels everything in football in 2017. Real Madrid 3 Apoel Nicosia 0: Clinical Ronaldo sets up victory
A solution? There is no solution. European football is too deeply in thrall to those super-clubs for the direction of travel to be changed. It is why successive Uefa presidents have found their good intentions thwarted by the elite clubs, who can always play the “breakaway league” card if they fear that their ever greater demands might not be met. It is why the next restructuring, for the next broadcast deal, will only reinforce the existing elites. It is an elite competition, of course, but it should never have become anything like as elitist as this.
https://www.thetimes.co.u(...)ons-league-bkh7tnflg
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There were a few truly compelling contests too: Liverpool 2 Sevilla 2; Tottenham Hotspur 3 Borussia Dortmund 1; even Barcelona 3 Juventus 0, despite the one-sided scoreline. It is the inequalities that stick out, though, and it speaks of something far more significant than tactical inadequacies, underperformance on the night or even the state of Scottish and Dutch football when, in the space of 24 hours, Celtic and Feyenoord have both suffered their heaviest home defeats in all their decades of playing in European competition. Feyenoord 0 Manchester City 4: Stones soars for double in Rotterdam
Those defeats for Celtic and Feyenoord were likened, in newspaper write-ups, to the type of occasion that sees a middling Sky Bet Championship team pitted against a Premier League heavyweight in the FA Cup. That is probably about the reality of it these days for these two great clubs, who faced each other in the European Cup final in 1970 but have had to adjust to a reality in which Champions League qualification has almost become an end in itself.
Towards the end of last season the CIES Football Observatory revealed that the Champions League was the third most unbalanced competition in Europe (behind the Cypriot and Austrian domestic leagues) with 21 per cent of its matches won by at least a three-goal margin. This week saw 43.75 per cent of Champions League matches won by at least a three-goal margin and, while it will be surely seen as an extreme week, it adds to the sense of predictability in a competition in which the 24 semi-final places over the past six seasons have been taken by just nine different clubs (three Spanish, two German, two English, one Italian, one French). If a club from beyond the top six leagues makes a quarter-final, it is seen as a great curiosity. Heck, we live in an era in which reaching the final has assumed the feel of an underdog story for clubs the size of Borussia Dortmund, Atletico Madrid and even Juventus.
The more the European football landscape has been moulded to the design of the mega-rich elite, from the biggest and most commercially powerful leagues, the greater the competitive imbalance has become. The worst thing about it is that there will be those in European football’s corridors of power who look at the situation and conclude that if there is a problem (and a problem will only ever be discerned if the growth of commercial revenue or viewing figures does not live up to expectations), it lies with the presence of teams like Celtic, Feyenoord, Qarabag and Apoel rather than with the financial inequalities that have brought such predictability.
When the Champions League group stage began 20 years ago, with Newcastle United recording a famous 3-2 victory over Barcelona, the 24 competing teams were drawn from 15 different leagues. This season there are 32 teams, but 15 of them are drawn from just four leagues (England, Spain, Germany and Italy) with a further nine coming from another five leagues (France, Portugal, Russia, Turkey and Ukraine). All that leaves space for is the champions of Azerbaijan, Belgium, Cyprus, Greece, Holland, Scotland, Switzerland and Slovenia — and in their opening fixtures this week, those eight champions recorded a total of one point (well done, Maribor), scoring just three goals and conceding 28. Chelsea 6 Qarabag 0: Zappacosta scores wonder goal on first start
Next season will see a further restructuring, with the top four leagues guaranteed 16 of the 32 places, ensuring that no team from England, Spain, Germany and Italy has to negotiate one of those pesky play-off rounds that saw Hoffenheim eliminated by Liverpool this time. There was a move a few years back — proposed by the former Uefa president Michel Platini, grudgingly accepted by the European Club Association — to shape the play-off rounds to the benefit of domestic champions, rather than those finishing third or fourth in the biggest leagues, but from next year the playing field will be less even than ever before. Once the French, Portuguese and Russians have taken their allocation, we are probably looking at six or seven places for the rest of Europe.
No, this is not a lament for the days when the European Cup was only for champions (which meant that, for example, Liverpool reached the semi-final in 1980-81 by beating Oulun Palloseura, Aberdeen and CSKA Sofia 11-2, 5-0 and 6-1 on aggregate respectively); the Champions League has become a far more compelling spectacle in all sorts of ways, many of them linked to the brilliance of the elite teams, most notably the Barcelona and Real Madrid sides of recent years. Celtic 0 Paris Saint-Germain 5: PSG’s superstar attack to hot to handle
It has surely been to the sport’s detriment, though, that so much money and therefore so much talent is now concentrated among a handful of uber-rich, uber-powerful clubs from the biggest leagues — and that, on the flip-side, continually reaching European competition has led to the creation of unassailable elites in many domestic leagues. Basle, beaten 3-0 by Manchester United on Tuesday, have been champions of Switzerland eight years in a row. Celtic have been champions of Scotland six years in a row. Regular qualification for the Champions League, even if only the preliminary rounds, has given them financial resources their domestic rivals can barely imagine. By the same token, their resources are now miniscule compared to those of the giants in the big leagues.
It was not always thus. It is only the past decade that, for clubs in the smaller leagues, the playing field has begun to feel so hopelessly uneven. The imbalances that have grown, both between leagues and crucially also within leagues, are entirely a product of the rich-get-richer mentality that fuels everything in football in 2017. Real Madrid 3 Apoel Nicosia 0: Clinical Ronaldo sets up victory
A solution? There is no solution. European football is too deeply in thrall to those super-clubs for the direction of travel to be changed. It is why successive Uefa presidents have found their good intentions thwarted by the elite clubs, who can always play the “breakaway league” card if they fear that their ever greater demands might not be met. It is why the next restructuring, for the next broadcast deal, will only reinforce the existing elites. It is an elite competition, of course, but it should never have become anything like as elitist as this.
https://www.thetimes.co.u(...)ons-league-bkh7tnflg
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Wat een lapje tekst.. Zo onleesbaar!..
Al die ontdekkingsreizen door mensen, ze hebben nooit tegenhouden door domheid van mensen
Valt wel mee tochquote:Op donderdag 14 september 2017 17:37 schreef Captain_Ghost het volgende:
Wat een lapje tekst.. Zo onleesbaar!..
Oud nieuws ook, je vraagt je af wanneer de TV kijkers afhaken als je van te voren de uitslag al bijna zeker weet.
Je kan ook nu al weer bijna invullen wie er 1 of 2 worden in de poule.
Je kan ook nu al weer bijna invullen wie er 1 of 2 worden in de poule.
en het geldt natuurlijk ook voor alle Franse ploegen (op Paris SG en Monaco na) en ook voor de ploegen uit Rusland, Portugal, Turkije en Oekraine, die krijgen net zo goed kansloos klop van ploegen als City, Barcelona en Madrid op een enkele verrassing na.
Maar 9 clubs die de halve finales hebben gehaald de laatste 6 jaar, nou spannend.
Maar 9 clubs die de halve finales hebben gehaald de laatste 6 jaar, nou spannend.
Tijd voor een NBA-achtige gesloten competitiequote:
en het geldt natuurlijk ook voor alle Franse ploegen (op Paris SG en Monaco na) en ook voor de ploegen uit Rusland, Portugal, Turkije en Oekraine, die krijgen net zo goed kansloos klop van ploegen als City, Barcelona en Madrid op een enkele verrassing na.
Maar 9 clubs die de halve finales hebben gehaald de laatste 6 jaar, nou spannend.
RED ONS HENNIEGOD
Dat gaat nooit gebeuren. Waarom zouden de Engelse clubs dat doen bv , die krijgen nu veel meer uit de PL.
En welke clubs ? Als de rijke eigenaars weggaan, blijft er niets over van de meeste.
En welke clubs ? Als de rijke eigenaars weggaan, blijft er niets over van de meeste.
Right.....quote:Op donderdag 14 september 2017 17:50 schreef PowerLoungen het volgende:
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Tijd voor een NBA-achtige gesloten competitie
En hoe moet dat precies werken?
Zit Nederland dan in de Western Conference? En met welke teams?
Krijgen we dan ook een draftsysteem voor de jeugd?
Die Lebenslust bringt dich um.
Denken dat een Nederlandse club daar kans op maaktquote:Op donderdag 14 september 2017 17:53 schreef Morendo het volgende:
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Right.....
En hoe moet dat precies werken?
Zit Nederland dan in de Western Conference? En met welke teams?
Krijgen we dan ook een draftsysteem voor de jeugd?
RED ONS HENNIEGOD
Jij begon met idiote gedachtenspelletjes.quote:
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Denken dat een Nederlandse club daar kans op maakt
Die Lebenslust bringt dich um.
Portugese clubs doen het best aardig hoor. Twee jaar terug schakelde Benfica bijna Bayern uit in de kwartfinale.
Deuger & Gutmensch
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Portugal zit ook in een duidelijke neerwaartse spiraal. De band met Zuid-Amerika blijft echter sterk en men heeft minder moeite met dubieuze financieringsconstructies.quote:
Portugese clubs doen het best aardig hoor. Twee jaar terug schakelde Benfica bijna Bayern uit in de kwartfinale.
Die Lebenslust bringt dich um.
Wrang genoeg gaat het volgend jaar juist 'spannender' worden doordat de toplanden meer CL deelnemers gaan leveren. Alles wat overblijft is inderdaad een competitie voor de allerrijksten, maar dat zal niet als een verrassing komen.
VBL SC influencer
Left, right, behind
Left, right, behind
Het is ook wel tekenend dat pas vorig jaar een club in staat was om de titel te prolongeren.quote:
Wrang genoeg gaat het volgend jaar juist 'spannender' worden doordat de toplanden meer CL deelnemers gaan leveren. Alles wat overblijft is inderdaad een competitie voor de allerrijksten, maar dat zal niet als een verrassing komen.
Het is tussen zo'n vier/vijf clubs inderdaad erg spannend.
Die Lebenslust bringt dich um.
Precies zoals de UEFA het wil dus.
Zal nooit meer gaan veranderen op een betekenisvolle manier.
Zal nooit meer gaan veranderen op een betekenisvolle manier.
Emotionele exclusiviteit monogamie-adept
Ik denk niet dat de tv-kijkers af gaan haken. Ja, de kijkers uit de kleine landen misschien, maar daar liggen de UEFA en de grote clubs niet wakker van.
Jammer dat het zo uit de hand is gelopen met die CL.. was ooit best een leuk toernooi
Jammer dat het zo uit de hand is gelopen met die CL.. was ooit best een leuk toernooi
Precies, mensen blijven toch wel kijken. Ook die uit de kleine landen.quote:
Ik denk niet dat de tv-kijkers af gaan haken. Ja, de kijkers uit de kleine landen misschien, maar daar liggen de UEFA en de grote clubs niet wakker van.
Jammer dat het zo uit de hand is gelopen met die CL.. was ooit best een leuk toernooi
VBL SC influencer
Left, right, behind
Left, right, behind
Qua talenten van eigen kweek zitten ze dan juist weer in de spiraal omhoog.quote:
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Portugal zit ook in een duidelijke neerwaartse spiraal. De band met Zuid-Amerika blijft echter sterk en men heeft minder moeite met dubieuze financieringsconstructies.
Denk wel dat je gelijk hebt dat de clubs rond 2012 sterker waren.
Deuger & Gutmensch
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Zie ook dit artikelquote:
Ik denk niet dat de tv-kijkers af gaan haken. Ja, de kijkers uit de kleine landen misschien, maar daar liggen de UEFA en de grote clubs niet wakker van.
Jammer dat het zo uit de hand is gelopen met die CL.. was ooit best een leuk toernooi
http://www.espnfc.com/blo(...)ws-no-sign-of-ending
Deuger & Gutmensch
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Braga dat even Nagelsmann ontmanteld. Doen ze lekker hoor.quote:
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Portugal zit ook in een duidelijke neerwaartse spiraal. De band met Zuid-Amerika blijft echter sterk en men heeft minder moeite met dubieuze financieringsconstructies.
Deuger & Gutmensch
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
Deuger & Gutmensch
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
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