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Dat de bevolking zich tegen de onderdrukkers keert die wellicht hebben lopen martelen is imho iets minder zwaar qua uitkomst dan dat er hele steden in de as gaan. Maar de vraag is of men dat zou doen.quote:Op dinsdag 5 september 2017 07:44 schreef nostra het volgende:
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Het probleem is wel breder dan alleen één of een paar kopstukken uit het regime laten vallen. Een klein, maar belangrijk - ik meen zo'n 20%, deel van de bevolking valt onder de 'elite' en wordt beschermd door het regime. Als het regime dan valt, dan zijn zij ook de klos. Niet alleen door het wegvallen van de voordeeltjes die ze nu krijgen, maar ook door de verwachte wraak van de rest van de bevolking.
quote:While describing additional sanctions as "the road to nowhere", Putin said Russia was prepared to discuss "some details" around the issue, without elaborating.
The Russian leader also lashed out at the United States, saying it was preposterous for Washington to ask for Moscow's help with North Korea after sanctioning Russian companies whom U.S officials accused of violating North Korea sanctions.
"It's ridiculous to put us on the same (sanctions) list as North Korea and then ask for our help in imposing sanctions on North Korea," said Putin.
"This is being done by people who mix up Australia with Austria," he added.
Bron: http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BG0OG
quote:"This is being done by people who mix up Australia with Austria," he added.
Vóór het internet dacht men dat de oorzaak van domheid een gebrek aan toegang tot informatie was. Inmiddels weten we beter.
twitter:SputnikInt twitterde op dinsdag 05-09-2017 om 10:20:00 Ferry service between Russia's Primorsky territory & #NorthKoreahas been suspended https://t.co/DSWWNtS9pr https://t.co/xbFcaqzXYt reageer retweet
Ferry service between Russia's Primorsky territory &
quote:North Korea's nuclear test site at risk of imploding, Chinese scientist says
The single mountain under which North Korea most likely conducted its five most recent nuclear bomb tests, including the latest and most powerful on Sunday, could be at risk of collapsing, a Chinese scientist said.
By measuring and analyzing the shock waves caused by the blasts, and picked up by quake stations in China and neighboring countries, researchers at the University of Science and Technology of China in Hefei, Anhui province, said they were confident that they were all carried out from under the same mountain at the Punggye-ri test site.
The team from the seismic and deep earth physics laboratory made the claim in a statement posted on their website on Monday. Its leader, geophysicist Wen Lianxing, said that based on data collected by more than 100 earthquake monitoring centers in China, the margin of error was no more than 100 meters.
Wang Naiyan, the former chairman of the China Nuclear Society and senior researcher on China's nuclear weapons program, said that if Wen's findings were reliable, there was a risk of a major environmental disaster.
Another test might cause the whole mountain to cave in on itself, leaving only a hole from which radiation could escape and drift across the region, including China, he said.
"We call it 'taking the roof off'. If the mountain collapses and the hole is exposed, it will let out many bad things."
Sunday's blast was followed by an earthquake eight minutes later, which China's seismic authorities interpreted as a cave-in triggered by the explosion.
Not every mountain was suitable for nuclear bomb testing. Wang said, adding that the peak had to be high, but the slopes relatively flat.
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
quote:The moral answer to North Korea threats: Take them out!
Better a million dead North Koreans than a thousand dead Americans. The fundamental reason our government exists is to protect our people and our territory. Everything else is a grace note. And the words we never should hear in regard to North Korea’s nuclear threats are “We should’ve done something.”
Instead, we should do something. Pyongyang’s Sunday test of a hydrogen bomb of devastating power begs for decisive action. Must we wait until Americans die?
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
Iemand Tillerson nog gezien/gehoord de laatste dagen?
Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
De sancties werkten niet omdat het trapgewijs ging. Nog steeds konden ze handelen via bepaalde landen of via de zwarte markt. Ik denk sowieso dat N-Korea van sancties niks aantrekt nu ze zo dichtbij zijn.quote:Poetin ziet niets in nieuwe sancties N-Korea
XIAMEN - De Russische president Vladimir Poetin ziet niets in nieuwe sancties tegen Noord-Korea naar aanleiding van de laatste test, mogelijk met een waterstofbom. Strengere sancties zullen het gedrag van de leiding in het land niet veranderen, zei Poetin in het Chinese Xiamen bij de top van grote nieuwe groei-economieën, de Brics.
Nieuwe sancties kunnen volgens de Russische leider ,,menselijk lijden'' op grote schaal tot gevolg hebben en zijn zo langzamerhand wel uitgeput als manier om Pyongyang te beïnvloeden. Poetin waarschuwde voor een ,,globale catastrofe'' als de militaire hysterie rond het land nog groter wordt.
Amerika verklaarde maandag in de Veiligheidsraad van de VN dat de tactiek van steeds meer sancties tegen Noord-Korea sinds 2006 door de vijftien leden tellende raad niet heeft gewerkt. Het is tijd voor de ,,de sterkst mogelijke maatregelen'' aldus VN-ambassadeur Nikki Haley.
https://beta.telegraaf.nl(...)uwe-sancties-n-korea
twitter:telegraaf twitterde op dinsdag 05-09-2017 om 13:19:27 Noord-Korea belooft VS meer ’cadeaus’ https://t.co/hxYRtaUaMv https://t.co/Cxom2QUmfL reageer retweet
Noord-Korea belooft VS meer ’cadeaus’
Russia condemns this action from North Korea," Putin says
(CNN) Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that the escalating crisis over North Korea's weapons program risks developing into a "global catastrophe" with mass casualties.
But Putin, speaking in China on Tuesday, cautioned against "military hysteria" and said that the only way to resolve the crisis was through diplomacy.
He warned that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has calculated that the survival of his regime depends on its development of nuclear weapons. Kim had seen how western intervention in Iraq had ended in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein after which the country was ravaged by war, Putin warned, and was determined not to suffer the same fate.
"Saddam Hussein rejected the production of weapons of mass destruction, but even under that pretense, he was destroyed and members of his family were killed," Putin said.
"The country was demolished and Saddam Hussein was hanged. Everyone knows that and everyone in North Korea knows that."
On Monday, US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said Kim was "begging for war" and urged the UN Security Council to adopt the strongest sanctions measures possible to stop Pyongyang's nuclear program.
But speaking at the closure of the BRICs summit in Beijing -- which hosted the leaders of Brazil, India, China and South Africa -- Putin said that while Russia condemned North Korea's latest actions, imposing any kind of sanctions would be "useless and ineffective." Kim would rather starve his people than see his regime overthrown, he said.
"They will eat grass but they will not turn away from the path that will provide for their security," he said.
The latest escalation of the crisis came on Sunday when Pyonyang announced it had conducted a sixth nuclear test, which it claimed was of a hydrogen bomb. The claim has not been independently verified, but seismological data indicating the weapon was the most powerful ever to be detonated by Pyongyang.
North Korea claims it now has the capability of mounting a thermonuclear weapon on a long-range missile capable of striking the United States.
Weapons experts say it's almost impossible to verify if the warhead and missile could be successfully paired unless North Korea were to fire a nuclear-tipped ICBM.
North Korea has test-fired a number of missiles this summer, including two long-range ones in July and an intermediate-range one in August that overflew the Japanese island of Hokkaido. South Korea has claimed that the North is making preparations for another ICBM test.
Putin said it was clear that Pyonynag already had a nuclear capability -- and in any case, there no missile defense system could offer adequate protection against conventional long-range artillery.
(CNN) Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that the escalating crisis over North Korea's weapons program risks developing into a "global catastrophe" with mass casualties.
But Putin, speaking in China on Tuesday, cautioned against "military hysteria" and said that the only way to resolve the crisis was through diplomacy.
He warned that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has calculated that the survival of his regime depends on its development of nuclear weapons. Kim had seen how western intervention in Iraq had ended in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein after which the country was ravaged by war, Putin warned, and was determined not to suffer the same fate.
"Saddam Hussein rejected the production of weapons of mass destruction, but even under that pretense, he was destroyed and members of his family were killed," Putin said.
"The country was demolished and Saddam Hussein was hanged. Everyone knows that and everyone in North Korea knows that."
On Monday, US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley said Kim was "begging for war" and urged the UN Security Council to adopt the strongest sanctions measures possible to stop Pyongyang's nuclear program.
But speaking at the closure of the BRICs summit in Beijing -- which hosted the leaders of Brazil, India, China and South Africa -- Putin said that while Russia condemned North Korea's latest actions, imposing any kind of sanctions would be "useless and ineffective." Kim would rather starve his people than see his regime overthrown, he said.
"They will eat grass but they will not turn away from the path that will provide for their security," he said.
The latest escalation of the crisis came on Sunday when Pyonyang announced it had conducted a sixth nuclear test, which it claimed was of a hydrogen bomb. The claim has not been independently verified, but seismological data indicating the weapon was the most powerful ever to be detonated by Pyongyang.
North Korea claims it now has the capability of mounting a thermonuclear weapon on a long-range missile capable of striking the United States.
Weapons experts say it's almost impossible to verify if the warhead and missile could be successfully paired unless North Korea were to fire a nuclear-tipped ICBM.
North Korea has test-fired a number of missiles this summer, including two long-range ones in July and an intermediate-range one in August that overflew the Japanese island of Hokkaido. South Korea has claimed that the North is making preparations for another ICBM test.
Putin said it was clear that Pyonynag already had a nuclear capability -- and in any case, there no missile defense system could offer adequate protection against conventional long-range artillery.
Je hoort bij de betere, maar nog lang niet bij de beste
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Ich glaube, dass es manchmal nicht genügend Steine gibt und
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
Ich bin mir sicher, dass auch schöne Augen weinen
Putin heeft hier wel gelijk in zijn analyse.quote:
He warned that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has calculated that the survival of his regime depends on its development of nuclear weapons. Kim had seen how western intervention in Iraq had ended in the overthrow of Saddam Hussein after which the country was ravaged by war, Putin warned, and was determined not to suffer the same fate.
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"Saddam Hussein rejected the production of weapons of mass destruction, but even under that pretense, he was destroyed and members of his family were killed," Putin said.
"The country was demolished and Saddam Hussein was hanged. Everyone knows that and everyone in North Korea knows that."
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Putin said that while Russia condemned North Korea's latest actions, imposing any kind of sanctions would be "useless and ineffective." Kim would rather starve his people than see his regime overthrown, he said.
"They will eat grass but they will not turn away from the path that will provide for their security," he said.
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Putin said it was clear that Pyonynag already had a nuclear capability -- and in any case, there no missile defense system could offer adequate protection against conventional long-range artillery.
Ja achteraf is het makkelijk oordelen, ook Rusland is hier verantwoordelijk voor, al 60 jaar lang.quote:Op dinsdag 5 september 2017 14:22 schreef Stabiel het volgende:
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Putin heeft hier wel gelijk in zijn analyse.
Je hoort bij de betere, maar nog lang niet bij de beste
Rusland grenst, in tegendeel tot de VS, aan Noord-Korea, maar voelt zich overduidelijk niet bedreigd door een nucleair NK.quote:
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Ja achteraf is het makkelijk oordelen, ook Rusland is hier verantwoordelijk voor, al 60 jaar lang.
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terecht, het enige verschil tussen een nucleairr en een non nucleair Noord Korea is de hoeveelheid slachtoffers die ze met de eerste aanval kunnen maken ... daarna gaat het hele land kapot en alle leiders dood, in ieder scenarioquote:
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Rusland grenst, in tegendeel tot de VS, aan Noord-Korea, maar voelt zich overduidelijk niet bedreigd door een nucleair NK.
daarom vallen ze niemand aan
Op zondag 8 december 2013 00:01 schreef Karina het volgende:
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
Dat gaat me te diep sp3c, daar is het te laat voor.
twitter:realDonaldTrump twitterde op dinsdag 05-09-2017 om 14:36:57 I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States. reageer retweet
I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States.
Kachingquote:twitter:realDonaldTrump twitterde op dinsdag 05-09-2017 om 14:36:57 I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States. reageer retweet
Ik ben altijd van mening geweest dat nucleaire wapens politieke wapens zijn. Het heeft zijn conventionele, militaire nut allang voorbijgestreefd. Wat dat betreft heeft het gebruik ervan in Hiroshima en Nagasaki een dusdanig schrikbeeld opgewekt dat het landen ervan weerhoudt om ze in te zetten, en dat het vandaag de dag voornamelijk politieke bescherming biedt aan regimes die bang zijn om middels een externe interventie afgezet te worden.quote:
terecht, het enige verschil tussen een nucleairr en een non nucleair Noord Korea is de hoeveelheid slachtoffers die ze met de eerste aanval kunnen maken ... daarna gaat het hele land kapot en alle leiders dood, in ieder scenario
daarom vallen ze niemand aan
Als je die theorie hanteert dan zou je de angsten van het Noord-Koreaanse regime kunnen begrijpen, en middels een diplomatie weg een oplossing kunnen bieden aan het conflict. Zeer zelden zijn regimes of regeringen irrationeel, of erop uit om de wereld in chaos en anarchie te storten.
quote:twitter:realDonaldTrump twitterde op dinsdag 05-09-2017 om 14:36:57 I am allowing Japan & South Korea to buy a substantially increased amount of highly sophisticated military equipment from the United States. reageer retweet
NK gaat die echt wel gebruiken als ze in het nauw gedreven worden, ze kunnen niet anders.quote:
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Ik ben altijd van mening geweest dat nucleaire wapens politieke wapens zijn. Het heeft zijn conventionele, militaire nut allang voorbijgestreefd. Wat dat betreft heeft het gebruik ervan in Hiroshima en Nagasaki een dusdanig schrikbeeld opgewekt dat het landen ervan weerhoudt om ze in te zetten, en dat het vandaag de dag voornamelijk politieke bescherming biedt aan regimes die bang zijn om middels een externe interventie afgezet te worden.
Als je die theorie hanteert dan zou je de angsten van het Noord-Koreaanse regime kunnen begrijpen, en middels een diplomatie weg een oplossing kunnen bieden aan het conflict. Zeer zelden zijn regimes of regeringen irrationeel, of erop uit om de wereld in chaos en anarchie te storten.
Je hoort bij de betere, maar nog lang niet bij de beste
Ik denk dat Putin nog een aardige rol zal gaan spelen, aangezien van 6 t/m 7 september in Vladivostok een economisch forum plaatsvind. Hier zijn onder andere Japan en Noord- en Zuid-Korea aanwezig. China en de Verenigde Staten zijn niet uitgenodigd. Voor Putin is dit een uitstekende gelegenheid om eens te babbelen met Noord-Korea om zo de gemoederen te bedaren.
