Vuurgevecht tussen Turks leger en ISIS (invasie?)

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:12 schreef reza1 het volgende:

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De PKK vecht juist tegen ISIS, veel meer dan het Turkse regime dat doet. De PKK boekt succes op succes in Syrië tegen ISIS met westerse luchtsteun. Je kan beter zeggen dat Turkije en IS samengaan.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:12 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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in het syrie conflict zie de grootste vijanden met elkaar samenwerk om een ander vijand te dwarsbomen. niets is ondenkbaar.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:13 schreef reza1 het volgende:
PUK = Iraakse Koerden
PUK: Turkish state must stop its attacks

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:14 schreef haags_kwartiertje het volgende:

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Dat laatste zie ik dan weer niet gebeuren, op misschien wat Turkse soldaatjes na die besluiten om zich bij IS aan te sluiten...

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:15 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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ow?

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:14 schreef haags_kwartiertje het volgende:

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Dat laatste zie ik dan weer niet gebeuren, op misschien wat Turkse soldaatjes na die besluiten om zich bij IS aan te sluiten...

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:15 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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saddam was ook altijd zo boos als de turken bezig waren in noord irak

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:15 schreef haags_kwartiertje het volgende:

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Niet geheel ondenkbaar toch?

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Suspected ISIL bomber captured in Adana

July 26, 2015, Sunday/ 16:01:25/ TODAYSZAMAN.COM / ISTANBUL

A member of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), identified only as H.G., who it is claimed arrived in Adana planning to carry out a bomb attack, was captured by the police on Sunday.

The Dogan news agency reported that another individual, who is a member of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) and is claimed to have arrived in Adana to organize public demonstrations for the Kurdistan Communities Union (KCK), was captured. A court that the suspects were referred to made the decision to detain the pair.

It was also reported that anti-terror units in Adana detained 18 people who are suspected to have ties with the Patriotic Revolutionist Youth Movement (YDG-H) -- an affiliate of the terrorist PKK.

A suicide bomber who is suspected to be an ISIL member carried out an attack last Monday in the Suruç district of the province of Sanl?urfa, killing 32 activists and injuring more than 100 people.

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p_vanostaeyen twitterde op zondag 26-07-2015 om 18:54:53 There we have it, #Turkey is about to invoke Article 4 of the NATO treaty - this could have huge repercussions http://t.co/mA1lNlXmts reageer retweet

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Erdogan's masterful plan

The devastating terrorist attack in Suruç changed the Turkish domestic and foreign policy dynamics in a way that is surprisingly favorable to the Justice and Development Party (AKP).

I must admit that I did not expect such a masterful exploitation of this terrorist attack. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has managed to improve his relations with the US while simultaneously improving the AKP's domestic political fortunes in the snap elections he clearly wants.

On the domestic front, contrary to my prediction, the AKP did not use this terrorist act as an excuse to blame the US. As it is well known, Ankara was lately taking some reluctant steps against Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) militants at home, mainly because of American pressure. After the Suruç tragedy, one would normally have expected Ankara to step up the pressure against ISIL by cooperating with the international coalition led by the US. Yet, as I argued in my last column, I believed this was not likely to happen because the AKP government continued to see the Kurds of Syria aligned with the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) as an existential threat while it saw ISIL as a temporary challenge that will dissipate once the Assad regime is gone. I thought the Suruç terrorist attack would provide legitimacy to those who feared going after ISIL would trigger retaliation. This is why I believed Suruç would make Turkey's cooperation with the anti-ISIL international coalition more difficult.

But in the couple of days that followed this heinous terrorist attack, Erdogan decided that Turkey can wage a war two fronts. In other words, it was possible to declare war against ISIL while targeting the main enemy that Ankara wanted to defeat: the PKK. This is a masterful strategy because it allowed Erdogan to score points with the Obama administration by opening the Incirlik air base. Erdogan has been insisting on a direct line of communication with the White House for the last couple of years. But US President Barack Obama was clearly disappointed with Erdogan's autocratic turn after the Gezi park protests and his Syria policy since 2012. Obama also did not want to legitimize Erdogan's presidential regime vision by communicating with him as he regularly did when Erdogan was perceived as the reformist prime minister of Turkey (between 2008 and 2012).

Erdogan knew that the use of the Incirlik air base was very important for Obama. He insisted on a phone call from Obama to seal the deal after Suruç. Now that Incirlik is open and Turkey is actively engaged in the military campaign against ISIL, Erdogan will have more leverage with Washington. For instance, he will be on stronger ground in asking the US to refrain from cooperating with Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD) forces in Syria.

At the same time, what really matters for the AKP is the military campaign against the PKK and the political war against the Peoples' Democratic Party (HDP). In fact, behind the facade of a war against ISIL what the AKP is really waging is a war against the PKK. This strategy suits Erdogan's domestic plan perfectly well because it will force the Kurdish political movement -- the HDP -- to choose between the PKK and its much enlarged constituency representing 13 percent of the nation.

On the domestic front, as he discretely favors early elections Erdogan will continue to make the argument that the country needs a strong government at such difficult times. The Republican People's Party (CHP) will also find it more difficult to engage in coalition talks in such a political environment. In short, Erdogan managed to hit three birds with one stone. He improved relations with Washington, torpedoed AKP-CHP coalition talks and weakened the HDP's hand. This is indeed a masterful plan.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 19:42 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
NAVO praat dinsdag over Turkije

BRUSSEL -
De NAVO komt dinsdag bijeen om te praten over de situatie rond Turkije. Dat heeft het militaire bondgenootschap zondag aangekondigd. Turkije voert sinds vrijdag aanvallen uit op Islamitische Staat in Syrië en op de PKK in Iraaks Koerdistan.

Volgens de NAVO wil Turkije de ambassadeurs van alle 28 lidstaten, waaronder Nederland, bijpraten over de acties. Het bondgenootschap voegt eraan toe: „De NAVO-bondgenoten volgen de ontwikkelingen nauwgezet en zijn solidair met Turkije.”
Turkije heeft zich lang buiten de strijd in buurland Syrië gehouden. Ankara ligt overhoop met vrijwel alle strijdende partijen, van regime tot IS en de Koerden. Ankara is nu toch omgeslagen na een paar bloedige aanslagen door IS.
In de nacht van zaterdag op zondag waren twee Turkse militairen omgekomen in het zuidoosten van het land. Ze zouden in Turks Koerdistan in een hinderlaag zijn gelokt. Turkije geeft de Koerdische opstandelingen de schuld.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)_over_Turkije__.html

Daar heeft Turkije wel wat uit te leggen.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 19:42 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:

Daar heeft Turkije wel wat uit te leggen.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 18:20 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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een enkele misschien maar niet meer dan dat, maar dat geldt voor één ieder welke nationaliteit dan ook. relatief weinig turken hebben zich aangesloten bij isis. als je de cijfers bekijkt

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p_vanostaeyen twitterde op zondag 26-07-2015 om 18:54:53 There we have it, #Turkey is about to invoke Article 4 of the NATO treaty - this could have huge repercussions http://t.co/mA1lNlXmts reageer retweet

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leuke analyse. ik weet niet of dit zo door erdo is uitgestippeld
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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 19:42 schreef Loekie1 het volgende:
NAVO praat dinsdag over Turkije

BRUSSEL -
De NAVO komt dinsdag bijeen om te praten over de situatie rond Turkije. Dat heeft het militaire bondgenootschap zondag aangekondigd. Turkije voert sinds vrijdag aanvallen uit op Islamitische Staat in Syrië en op de PKK in Iraaks Koerdistan.

Volgens de NAVO wil Turkije de ambassadeurs van alle 28 lidstaten, waaronder Nederland, bijpraten over de acties. Het bondgenootschap voegt eraan toe: „De NAVO-bondgenoten volgen de ontwikkelingen nauwgezet en zijn solidair met Turkije.”
Turkije heeft zich lang buiten de strijd in buurland Syrië gehouden. Ankara ligt overhoop met vrijwel alle strijdende partijen, van regime tot IS en de Koerden. Ankara is nu toch omgeslagen na een paar bloedige aanslagen door IS.
In de nacht van zaterdag op zondag waren twee Turkse militairen omgekomen in het zuidoosten van het land. Ze zouden in Turks Koerdistan in een hinderlaag zijn gelokt. Turkije geeft de Koerdische opstandelingen de schuld.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/b(...)_over_Turkije__.html

Daar heeft Turkije wel wat uit te leggen.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:27 schreef vermist het volgende:
Turkije kietelt IS wat en valt tegelijk een van de effectiefste bestrijders van IS aan.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:35 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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mensen geloven ook echt dat de ypg/pkk stand kon houden tegen isis zonder de luchtsteun van de coalitie

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:35 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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mensen geloven ook echt dat de ypg/pkk stand kon houden tegen isis zonder de luchtsteun van de coalitie

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:44 schreef Djibril het volgende:

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Mensen geloven ook echt dat isis stand kon houden zonder constante verraad van enkele sunni officieren van het Iraakse leger, Saudische geldstromen, Turkse doorvoerhaven voor jihadi’s(Zie Tal Abyad), etc.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:42 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Bij Serekaniye ging dat anders prima, geen bommen bij nodig

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:45 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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isis heeft zijn zaakjes op orde

alleen hoogmoed heh

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:48 schreef Djibril het volgende:

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Koerden hebben hun zaakjes ook op orde, door het aanvragen van coalitiebommen. En bij de Koerden heerst er nog geen hoogmoed, heb ze nog niet gezien dat ze denken dat ze Aleppo even veroveren

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:47 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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was dat voor of nadat ze zichzelf hadden kapotgebeten bij kobani

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:50 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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koerden steunen momenteel op een coalitie waarop je niet kan bouwen op de lange termijn

koerden zijn alleen maar bezig met zelfbehoud, misschien het meest verstandigst als minderheid zijnde, kijk bv de koerden in aleppo, ook "neutraal" opgesteld

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:54 schreef UpsideDown het volgende:

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Beide, eerst tegen JAN

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:55 schreef Djibril het volgende:

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Het aantal bombardementen is drastisch verlaagd als je kijkt naar hoe het was tijdens de Kobani offensief. Vooral nu beide cantons met elkaar verbonden zijn en er meer vrije transport is van goederen staan de Koerden nu sterker in hun schoenen.
Daarnaast kon isis alleen maar de Kobani offensief doen doordat er vrije toegang was van jihadi’s via Turkije naar het Khalifaat, Turkse blokkade van Kobani en alle tanks/humvees/etc. die isis buit had gemaakt van het Iraakse leger in Mosul. Die voordeel zijn ze nu kwijt. ISIS is zijn momentum tegenover de Koerden kwijt geraakt.

Koerden zijn inderdaad bezig met zelfbehoud, ze gaan bijvoorbeeld niet in Arabische delen rondlopen aangezien de turkse media/baathistische media in een keer vol zal staan met "Ëtnic Cleansing".

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Since the beginning of 2014, representatives from Israel and Saudi Arabia have had five secret meetings to discuss a common foe, Iran. On Thursday, the two countries came out of the closet by revealing this covert diplomacy at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.

Among those who follow the Middle East closely, it's been an open secret that Israel and Saudi Arabia have a common interest in thwarting Iran. But until Thursday, actual diplomacy between the two was never officially acknowledged. Saudi Arabia still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has yet to accept a Saudi-initiated peace offer to create a Palestinian state.

It was not a typical Washington think-tank event. No questions were taken from the audience. After an introduction, there was a speech in Arabic from Anwar Majed Eshki, a retired Saudi general and ex-adviser to Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Then Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations who is slotted to be the next director general of Israel's foreign ministry, gave a speech in English.

While these men represent countries that have been historic enemies, their message was identical: Iran is trying to take over the Middle East and it must be stopped.

Eshki was particularly alarming. He laid out a brief history of Iran since the 1979 revolution, highlighting the regime's acts of terrorism, hostage-taking and aggression. He ended his remarks with a seven-point plan for the Middle East. Atop the list was achieving peace between Israel and the Arabs. Second came regime-change in Iran. Also on the list were greater Arab unity, the establishment of an Arab regional military force, and a call for an independent Kurdistan to be made up of territory now belonging to Iraq, Turkey and Iran.

Gold's speech was slightly less grandiose. He, too, warned of Iran's regional ambitions. But he didn't call for toppling the Tehran government. "Our standing today on this stage does not mean we have resolved all the differences that our countries have shared over the years," he said of his outreach to Saudi Arabia. "But our hope is we will be able to address them fully in the years ahead."

It's no coincidence that the meetings between Gold, Eshki and a few other former officials from both sides took place in the shadow of the nuclear talks among Iran, the U.S. and other major powers. Saudi Arabia and Israel are arguably the two countries most threatened by Iran's nuclear program, but neither has a seat at the negotiations scheduled to wrap up at the end of the month.

The five bilateral meetings over the last 17 months occurred in India, Italy and the Czech Republic. One participant, Shimon Shapira, a retired Israeli general and an expert on the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, told me: "We discovered we have the same problems and same challenges and some of the same answers." Shapira described the problem as Iran's activities in the region, and said both sides had discussed political and economic ways to blunt them, but wouldn't get into any further specifics.

Eshki told me that no real cooperation would be possible until Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, accepted what's known as the Arab Peace Initiative to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The plan was first shared with New York Times columnist Tom Friedman in 2002 by Saudi Arabia's late King Abdullah, then the kingdom's crown prince.

Israel's quiet relationships with Gulf Arab states goes back to the 1990s and the Oslo Peace Process. Back then, some Arab countries such as Qatar allowed Israel to open trade missions. Others allowed an Israeli intelligence presence, including Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates.

These ties became more focused on Iran over the last decade, as shown by documents released by WikiLeaks in 2010. A March 19, 2009, cable quoted Israel's then-deputy director general of the foreign minister, Yacov Hadas, saying one reason for the warming of relations was that the Arabs felt Israel could advance their interests vis-a-vis Iran in Washington. "Gulf Arabs believe in Israel's role because of their perception of Israel's close relationship with the U.S. but also due to their sense that they can count on Israel against Iran," the cable said.

But only now has open cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Israel become a possibility. For Gold, it represents something of a sea change. In 2003, he published a book, "Hatred's Kingdom," about Saudi Arabia's role in financing terrorism and Islamic extremism. He explained Thursday that he wrote that book "at the height of the second intifada when Saudi Arabia was financing and fundraising for the murder of Israelis." Today, Gold said, it is Iran that is primarily working with those Palestinian groups that continue to embrace terrorism.

Gold went on to say that Iran is now outfitting groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon with precision-guided missiles, as opposed to the unguided rockets Iran has traditionally provided its allies in Lebanon. He also said Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps forces propping up the Bashar al-Assad regime are now close to the Israeli-Syrian border.

A few years ago, it was mainly Israel that rang the alarm about Iranian expansionism in the Middle East. It is significant that now Israel is joined in this campaign by Saudi Arabia, a country that has wished for its destruction since 1948.

The two nations worry today that President Barack Obama's efforts to make peace with Iran will embolden that regime's aggression against them. It's unclear whether Obama will get his nuclear deal. But either way, it may end up that his greatest diplomatic accomplishment will be that his outreach to Iran helped create the conditions for a Saudi-Israeli alliance against it.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:56 schreef Djibril het volgende:

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Dit vond ik vooral interessant wegens de huidige gebeurtenissen.

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:56 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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is er ééntje geobsedeerd door turkije?

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:58 schreef Slayage het volgende:

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waar is dit van?

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Op zondag 26 juli 2015 20:58 schreef Djibril het volgende:

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Dit topic gaat toch over Turkije(met hoofdletter volgende keer, nepturk die je bent(of zoals teenwolf zou zeggen: babykiller pkk aanhanger))