Crisis Oekra�ne - Rusland #200 Minsk II aan een zijden draadje

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Op donderdag 23 april 2015 22:00 schreef ZOA het volgende:

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Hans van Baalen en die Belg lijken mij echte experts!

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Op donderdag 23 april 2015 19:40 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
Btw, voor wie het gemist heeft: de pro-EU (en pro-NAVO) coalitie in Finland heeft vorig weekend de verkiezingen verloren.

A NATO Setback in the High North
Finland's election weakens a bulwark on Russia's doorstep.
http://www.wsj.com/articl(...)igh-north-1429647828

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_F_Marina twitterde op donderdag 23-04-2015 om 22:56:36 @NinaByzantina "#Ukraine:protests in front of US embassy in Kiev with signs: "Thanks for poverty."https://t.co/A5hbGtkVpdThey wanted it. reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 23 april 2015 21:32 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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BradCabana twitterde op donderdag 23-04-2015 om 21:29:44 BREAKING - There are demonstrations and shooting of demonstrators in #Kiev #Ukraine right now. #cdnpoli reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 23 april 2015 23:03 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Ware het niet dat het niet waar is.
Ze is niet tegen de navo en EU maar houdt Finland voor zover mogelijk neutraal.

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NewRussiaPress twitterde op donderdag 23-04-2015 om 23:10:20 UAF shelled the east side of Donetsk Airport-Fights in Progresshttp://t.co/nSGkN5nzu0#DPR #Donetsk #UAF #NAF #Ukraine #Kiev #US #NATO #LPR reageer retweet

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signature89074 twitterde op vrijdag 24-04-2015 om 00:21:24 laurnorman: Repairing strains in the relationship will be top of the agenda for Monday's #EU, #Ukraine summit. My … http://t.co/TIveKqO5H2 reageer retweet

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Senior European Union officials travel to Kiev on Monday for their first formal Ukraine summit since the crisis with Russia broke last spring. The top priority for the talks has been unspoken: stemming an erosion of trust between Kiev and its Western neighbors.
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On the European side, there are sharpened concerns that Ukraine’s commitments to internal change—economic and political—haven’t been followed through. They fear this will, over time, intensify Kiev’s economic woes and possibly stoke tensions with Russia again.

Ukrainian officials are clear about their frustrations with the 28-nation bloc. The failure to advance toward visa-free access, open divisions within the EU over maintaining its sanctions on Russia and uncertainties about the EU’s determination to forge ahead with a bilateral trade pact in the face of Russian opposition are creating doubts about Europe’s commitment to Kiev.
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However, the prospects of rapid progress look dim. EU officials admit that movement on visa access is held up by Ukraine’s lack of control of its eastern borders because of the conflict with Russia. Under Minsk, that won’t change until December at the earliest when Moscow is obliged to return control of its side of the border to Kiev.

Top EU officials have balked at Ukraine’s proposal of an EU peacekeeping mission, viewing with alarm the prospect that EU “peacekeepers” could come under fire from Russian or pro-Russian forces.
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A bigger worry, a Ukrainian diplomat said, concerns the possibility that the EU will listen to Russian demands to reopen negotiations over the pact to address Moscow’s concerns that it could damage its economy. The diplomat said Russia pushed for a further one-year delay in the full implementation of the agreement on Monday and Tuesday, in talks described by a senior EU official as “tense.”
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Some officials say the bloc’s nightmare scenario remains possible: Failed reforms and renewed conflict in the east precipitate a fresh financial crisis in Kiev that leaves EU loans worth more than �3 billion ($3.22 billion) unpaid and Ukraine’s pro-EU parties diminished.

There is another more immediate concern. In late March, Thornbjorn Jagland, secretary-general of the Council of Europe, which is advising the Ukrainian government on constitutional reforms, told reporters he remains concerned about differences in Kiev over the extent to which power should be decentralized.

Mr. Poroshenko has said he won’t accept Russian demands to “federalize” the country, which he warns would be tantamount to dividing up Ukraine. He said he will push his own version of autonomy for eastern provinces.

Decentralizing power from Kiev is a key requirement of the Minsk accord. “If they fail to do it, it will be very difficult to implement Minsk 2 and continue reforms,” Mr. Jagland said.

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With 580 U.S. boots on the ground in Ukraine, what’s Vladimir Putin’s next move?
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First, Russia will likely become even more brazen in its support for its separatist proxies in Eastern Ukraine’s Donbass region. This support could involve the introduction of additional troops and weaponry, or even a possible spring offensive to capture the southern Ukrainian city of Mariupol as part of a “land bridge to Crimea” from southern Russia across Ukraine.
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Second, we will likely see further nuclear saber rattling by the Russians in the upcoming weeks. Due to its weakness vis-�-vis the United States in conventional weaponry, Russia’s nuclear doctrine has recently changed to consider the use of nuclear weapons as a way to “de-escalate” a conflict.
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It is also quite possible that Moscow will make additional efforts to undermine America’s NATO allies, particularly the three Baltic states of Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Indeed, Moscow just initiated new criminal charges against an Estonian intelligence officer in Russian captivity. The fact that this was announced on April 20 — the same day that American troops began training exercises with their Ukrainian counterparts — is probably not a coincidence.
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Finally, Russia can take any number of actions to cause further disruption in the Middle East, especially vis-�-vis Iran. Russia has just announced plans to move forward with the sale of its lethal S-300 surface-to-air missile system to Iran, a step that the Council on Foreign Relations says will “shift military balance across the Middle East.”
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While sending fewer than 300 American troops to Ukraine may seem insignificant, Moscow does not see it that way. The ride is about to get rockier.

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Op donderdag 23 april 2015 22:47 schreef BEFEM het volgende:
Overigens vergeet iedereen de kern van het probleem maar steeds, dat Rusland er een teringzooi van heeft gemaakt in Oekraine terwijl ze al 200 jaar een marionettenregering er hebben zitten.

/open deur

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Op donderdag 23 april 2015 21:43 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
MEPs believe EU ‘should be ready for nuclear war’
http://www.unian.info/pol(...)for-nuclear-war.html

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 07:52 schreef icecreamfarmer_NL het volgende:

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Apart hij vergeet de Franse en Engelse nukes.

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Op donderdag 23 april 2015 23:06 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Wat is niet waar? Wie beweert dat ze tegen de NAVO zijn?

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 11:01 schreef DSVM het volgende:

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Toch knap van al die inwoners van Oost oekraine, eerst werk je in de mijnen,op het land of op kantoor en vervolgens heb je meer tanks dan heel Nederland heeft. Hoe doen ze dat toch!

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 12:53 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Ongelooflijk dat ze meer tanks hebben dan een land zonder tanks?

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 13:17 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
We weten dat Rusland wapens levert, waarom daar zo debiel over gepost moet worden is me niet duidelijk. Nederlands idee van humor neem ik aan....

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 13:19 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Ik wist niet dat je kwaad werd.

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 13:17 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
We weten dat Rusland wapens levert, waarom daar zo debiel over gepost moet worden is me niet duidelijk. Nederlands idee van humor neem ik aan....

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 13:24 schreef Straatcommando. het volgende:

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Het is dat de Russen het in alle toonaarden blijven ontkennen. Terwijl het overduidelijk is

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 13:29 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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Op dat gebied hebben ze slechts de Westerse taktiek overgenomen. Het Westen heeft niets met Maidan of de staatsgreep te maken terwijl Nuland per telefoon de samenstelling van het toekomstige kabinet dicteert...

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Op vrijdag 24 april 2015 13:31 schreef KoosVogels het volgende:

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Gelijk weer naar het westen wijzen.

Heb je ook iets anders in je arsenaal qua discussietechniek?