Moeilijk te zeggen, als de Russen geen bezwaar maken halen zulke vluchten het nieuws niet. De Chinezen daarentegen maken wel bezwaar:quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:08 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
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Vliegt de VS met de B-52's langs Rusland dan?
http://www.theguardian.co(...)ina-air-defence-zonequote:China monitored US B52 bombers' flight through disputed air defence zone
Washington refusing to acknowledge zone and US officials say B-52 bombers entered it without identifying themselves
quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:08 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
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Het gaat om het uitlaten van je strategisch nucleair arsenaal en daar even een blokje mee om gaan...
Putin on notice: Two U.S. stealth bombers head to Europe for first time amid tensionquote:U.S. sends B-2 stealth bombers to Europe
Two of the United States' most recognizable military aircraft -- a pair of B-2 stealth bombers -- caught the eyes of residents as they arrived in Europe this week for training.
"They seem to defy science!" said one Twitter user in Cirencester, England, who saw one of the stealth bombers in flight.
The bombers' unique radar-evading design always draws attention, as does this training mission in particular, which comes at a time of conflict in Ukraine.
An Air Force news release about the mission did not mention the Ukraine crisis, but U.S. fighter jets have previously been deployed to Europe on similar training missions to show support for NATO allies.
Op 40 km van de Russische grens? En waren ze "geladen"? Er zijn verschillende berichten (ik zag oa een link onder dat artikel in de Irish examiner) dat de Russische Bear's "carry-en" als ze op bezoek komen... Ik snap dat dat allemaal spierballen rollen is, maar voor je het weet heb je een 'broken-arrow'...quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:17 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
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U.S. sends B-2 stealth bombers to Europe
Two of the United States' most recognizable military aircraft -- a pair of B-2 stealth bombers -- caught the eyes of residents as they arrived in Europe this week for training.
"They seem to defy science!" said one Twitter user in Cirencester, England, who saw one of the stealth bombers in flight.
The bombers' unique radar-evading design always draws attention, as does this training mission in particular, which comes at a time of conflict in Ukraine.
An Air Force news release about the mission did not mention the Ukraine crisis, but U.S. fighter jets have previously been deployed to Europe on similar training missions to show support for NATO allies.
Even de linkjes gelezenquote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:14 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
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Moeilijk te zeggen, als de Russen geen bezwaar maken halen zulke vluchten het nieuws niet. De Chinezen daarentegen maken wel bezwaar:
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http://www.theguardian.co(...)ina-air-defence-zone
Met spionagevliegtuigen, die meer nuttige info opleveren dan B52s doen ze het zeker:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/02/us/us-spy-plane/index.html
En in het verleden toen de Russen ze niet konden onderscheppen vlogen de Amerikanen regelmatig in het luchtruim van de Sovjet Unie.
aannames aannames...quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:31 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
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Even de linkjes gelezen
De B-52's door de straat waarvan het eigendom betwist wordt door China en Japan, en de US de Japanse zaak steunt.
De RC-135 van de tweede link vloog boven internationale wateren nabij Rusland toen hij werd aangestraald door een tracking radar vanaf het Russische vasteland... De RC-135 is daarop Zweden in gevlucht. Dit speelde zich een dag na MH-17 af.
Niet te vergelijken met het getroll met de Tu-95's
Om met straatcommando te spreken... Eens zien hoe Putin zou reageren als een patriotbatterij hier in NL een Tu-95 zou aanstralen die hier ff komt neuzen... Ze zouden er bij RT in stikken denk ik...
Dat laatste zijn aannames ja.. Ik neem aan dat hij pislink zou worden, of althans doen alsof hij pislink wordt...quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:33 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
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aannames aannames...
De Russen zouden niet op de vlucht slaan, denk ik...
Dan wordt hij zeker pislinkquote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:40 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Simpel. de NAVO vliegtuigen de Russische bommenwerpers laten dwingen tot landen op een vliegveld in de EU en de bemanning gevangen zetten als ze weer eens onaangekondigd boven de EU vliegen. Dan even kijken wat voor payloads er aan boord zijn en de hele boel tentoonstellen aan de wereldpers.
http://www.missiontonato.ru/en/news/657/quote:Russian long-range military aircraft regularly perform flights to remote geographic areas in order to train crews and certify equipment capabilities. These activities are conducted in strict accordance with international airspace regulations, without violation of other states’ national borders. This can be confirmed by objective control data in every particular case.
At the same time, the intensity of Russian long-range aviation flights cannot compare to overall activity of military aircraft of NATO States and some of the closest partners of the Alliance. Particularly, in 2014 one could notice considerable growth of flights by US and NATO States’ reconnaissance aircraft over the territory of the Baltic States, as well as over the Baltic and Barents Seas – up to 8-12 flights per week. Their air routes laid in the immediate vicinity of Russian borders.
US Air Force RC-135 strategic reconnaissance aircraft performed more than 140 such flights in 2014, compared to 22 flights in 2013.
German Orion P-3C reconnaissance planes, Danish Challengers and temporarily deployed at Lithuanian airbase Zokniai Portuguese Orions as well as non-NATO Swedish Gulfstreams were persistently brought into play in order to survey activities of the Russian Armed Forces in Kaliningrad region and the Baltic Sea area. There were more than 200 such flights in 2014, in 2013 – only 125.
NATO, British and French E-3 AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) aircraft on duty in Polish and Romanian airspace were actively used to monitor the air situation in the western part of the Black Sea, over Ukraine and Russian western regions. The intensity of their activities raised from 2 flights per month in January-February 2014 to 40-60 flights per month in March-December. The total number of flights in 2014 increased up to 460, whereas in 2013 it did not exceed 20.
The events in Ukraine were used as a pretext for significant build-up in number of some NATO States’ warplanes at airbases in Central and Eastern Europe. Under the pretence of strengthening the security of the Baltic States the quantity of fighters taking part in NATO Baltic Air Policing Mission increased by 3,5 times (from 4 to 16). Moreover, groups of NATO States’ warplanes (up to 12 fighters) have been deployed on rotational basis at Polish and Romanian airbases since the beginning of 2014.
NATO States’ tactical aviation aircraft based in Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria take active part in joint exercises and training with host states’ Armed Forces.
The total number of NATO States’ tactical aviation flights near Russian and Belarusian borders exceeded 3.000 in 2014 (twice as many as in 2013).
quote:Since recently, some NATO officials through media launched a tendentious information campaign accusing Russian military aircraft creating risks for civil aviation by not switching on their transponders.
It is necessary to note that NATO States’ military aircraft always make their flights near Russian borders with transponders turned off. However, it does not mean that they are invisible to airspace control means.
Oh je was zoekenquote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:44 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
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http://www.missiontonato.ru/en/news/657/
Ik vind het nogal een verschil of je een radarvliegtuig of een bommenwerper laat overvliegen. De Amerikanen hadden in de Koude Oorlog ook de debiele neiging om constant bommenwerpers met nucleaire wapens in de lucht te hebben voor het geval dat. Als ik me niet vergis stortte er nog eens een toestel neer in de VS met een atoombom aan boord die wonder boven wonder niet af ging.quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:44 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
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http://www.missiontonato.ru/en/news/657/
Schattig hoe ze dat laatste erbij zetten...de radars van moedertje Rusland zien alles...behalve een B2quote:
lol, over ruim duizend vluchten zonder transponder heb je niets te zeggen?quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:49 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
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Schattig hoe ze dat laatste erbij zetten...de radars van moedertje Rusland zien alles...behalve een B2
Zolang ze uit corridors blijven die voor de commerciële luchtvaart zijn aangewezen interesseert me dat inderdaad helemaal niks. Ook bij die Bear's niet. Alleen als ze gaan lopen rommelen in die corridors, dan is het onverantwoordelijk gedrag.quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:50 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
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lol, over ruim duizend vluchten zonder transponder heb je niets te zeggen?
quote:The first time that a stealth aircraft was shot down was on 27 March 1999, during Operation Allied Force when an American F-117 Nighthawk was brought down by an Isayev S-125 'Neva-M' missile launched by a Serbian Air Defense crew who were operating their radars on unusually long wavelengths
Daarom moet je die ook eerst uitschakelenquote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 22:56 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:
De B2 is trouwens zichtbaar voor longer wavelength radar en over the horizon radar (zoals de vroegere "Russian Woodpecker").
http://www.german-foreign-policy.com/de/fulltext/59068quote:In Berlin werden Warnungen vor einem Totalkollaps der Ukraine und Forderungen nach einer Aufnahme des Landes in die EU, eventuell auch in die NATO laut. Wolle man verhindern, dass "in der Nachbarschaft der EU auf Dauer ein schwacher oder zerfallender Staat mit allen ... Konsequenzen" entstehe, dann komme man um "eine EU-Integration der Ukraine mit allen finanziellen und politischen" Folgen nicht herum, erklärt ein Osteuropa-Experte von der Deutschen Gesellschaft für Auswärtige Politik (DGAP).
twitter:RT_com twitterde op dinsdag 03-03-2015 om 21:07:44 #Ukraine’s fourth largest lender Delta Bank insolvent – central bank http://t.co/Bp2reuRwl4 http://t.co/SX983rOP1S reageer retweet
quote:Russia and Egypt just got even closer
Russia and Egypt are taking a major step forward in their relationship.
Speaking beside Egyptian Defense Minister Sidqi Sobqi in Moscow, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the two nations were planning on expanding their cooperation in military affairs, The Moscow Times reports.
"This document will for many years determine the direction of our cooperation in the military sphere," Shoigu said. He added that it was time to begin to fill the agreement with "concrete content."
The two countries will hold a joint naval drill in the Mediterranean, and select Egyptian soldiers and officers will be trained in Russian military academies.
"Naturally, in focus will be issues of training Egyptian servicemen at Russian higher education establishments of the Russian defense ministry and a number of other matters of mutual interest," Shoigu said, according to Tass.
http://uk.businessinsider(...)3?r=US#ixzz3TMhTWetq
http://www.reuters.com/ar(...)dUSKBN0LV0H120150227quote:Chinese diplomat tells West to consider Russia's security concerns over Ukraine
(Reuters) - Western powers should take into consideration Russia's legitimate security concerns over Ukraine, a top Chinese diplomat has said in an unusually frank and open display of support for Moscow's position in the crisis.
Qu Xing, China's ambassador to Belgium, was quoted by state news agency Xinhua late on Thursday as blaming competition between Russia and the West for the Ukraine crisis, urging Western powers to "abandon the zero-sum mentality" with Russia.
He said the "nature and root cause" of the crisis was the "game" between Russia and Western powers, including the United States and the European Union.
He said external intervention by different powers accelerated the crisis and warned that Moscow would feel it was being treated unfairly if the West did not change its approach.
"The West should abandon the zero-sum mentality, and take the real security concerns of Russia into consideration," Qu was quoted as saying.
His comments were an unusually public show of understanding from China for the Russian position. China and Russia see eye-to-eye on many international diplomatic issues but Beijing has generally not been so willing to back Russia over Ukraine.
China has also been cautious not to be drawn into the struggle between Russia and the West over Ukraine's future, not wanting to alienate a key ally.
It has said it would like to continue to develop "friendly cooperation" with Ukraine, and respects the ex-Soviet state's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Qu's comments coincide with talks between the United States and its European allies over harsher sanctions against Moscow.
Ff deze quoten voor hij verzuipt in Meth zijn posts (7 op rij na het eerste Vice filmpje, 4 na het tweede, met allemaal andere onderwerpen, valt niet op verder )quote:Op dinsdag 3 maart 2015 23:29 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Putin's Rusland, land van verdwenen soldaten en angst
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