Crisis Oekraïne - Rusland #183 VR Resolutie...

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 21:36 schreef DeJori het volgende:

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328 van de 450 stemmen. Die tweede ga ik niet eens op in, gezien de hoeveelheid bewijzen die daar al voor zijn langsgekomen.

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 21:52 schreef Igen het volgende:

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Eh, het staat er best duidelijk hoor.

"I condemn any attempts to create new facts on the ground, and so to change the basis on which the latest package of measures has been agreed." - dat is natuurlijk geen beschuldiging aan het adres van het Oekraïense leger!

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 21:52 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Russisch is een prachtige taal, maar dat heeft geen zak met dit topic te maken. Het staat-het-vuren is nagenoeg non existent, zie post nummer 239.

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 21:52 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Russisch is een prachtige taal, maar dat heeft geen zak met dit topic te maken. Het staat-het-vuren is nagenoeg non existent, zie post nummer 239.

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 21:58 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Wat?

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 22:01 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Dat men daar in het Oosten Russisch spreekt tov Oekraiens in het Westen? Nee. Wat ik bedoelde is dat het hele onderwerp over welke taal wij spraken als de Russen er niet waren geweest geen zak met dit topic te maken heeft.

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EuromaidanPR twitterde op woensdag 18-02-2015 om 21:53:37 Евреи #Украины взяли оружие в руки http://t.co/MqN0CC6c4h | EMPR на русском http://t.co/cApTudTGaB reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 21:46 schreef Smack10 het volgende:

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Defeated Ukrainians take the 'road of life' on their retreat from Debaltseve
Dispatch: Military disaster for Ukraine as defeated soldiers flee Debaltseve, while pro-Russian rebels raise their flag over the town marking the end of month-long battle

They came on trucks, on foot, and perched on the top of battered armoured personnel carriers.

The Ukrainian retreat from Debaltseve began early in the morning, and continued all day.

Late into the afternoon, artillery, armour, and soft-skinned lorries trickled up the E40 federal highway – the "road of life" that had been the only way in and out of the besieged town – bringing with them survivors of what has become a military disaster for Ukraine.

Some of the vehicles had smashed windows. Some had to be towed. And some didn't make it at all.

But these men were the lucky ones

Petro Poroshenko, the Ukrainian president, said that 80 per cent of the several thousand troops estimated to be caught in the Debaltseve encirclement made it to safety after he gave the order to withdraw from their obviously impossible positions on Wednesday morning.

"Debaltseve was under our control, it was never encircled. Our troops and formations have left in an organised and planned manner," he said in televised comments.

"The Ukrainian troops ... gave a blow in the teeth to those who were trying to encircle them," Mr Poroshenko said at a Kiev airport as he travelled to eastern Ukraine to "shake the hands" of the soldiers leaving Debaltseve.

But the trickle of exhausted men and battered vehicles that continued to roll up highway E40 throughout Wednesday were the survivors of a crushing defeat from which that the Ukrainian army and Mr Poroshenko may struggle to recover.

Ukrainian officials later said 22 soldiers were killed and 150 injured in the break out, according to preliminary information.

Russian-backed separatist fighters trumpeted the final fall of Debaltseve on Wednesday, raising their flag over the town to mark the symbolic end of a month-long battle that has claimed an unknown number of lives and threatens to destroy frantic international efforts to broker an end to war here.

The fall of Debaltseve is a major victory for a Russian-supplied and supported separatist army that Nato officials now say is bigger than that of some European countries.

Fighting continued later on Wednesday, with artillery audible from the outskirts of the nearby town of Artemivsk. Access to Debaltseve itself was restricted by combatants on both sides

Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of troops were seen arriving in Artemivsk on Wednesday. But it is not yet clear how many men, and how much equipment, was left behind.

Josh Earnest, the White House spokesman, said it was clear that Moscow and Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine had not lived up to the terms of the ceasefire.

“Their failure to do so does put them at risk of greater costs,” Mr Earnest said, noting that the White House supports the continued negotiations and had no update on whether the United States continued to consider supplying Ukraine with lethal weapons.

Some of the survivors who made it Artemivsk told a very different story to Mr Poroshenko.

"Only half of us got out," said a soldier with a head wound who declined to give his name. "People got out how they could, alone, together, in groups. The lorry I was in got hit on the way, that's how I got this," he said.

Others said there was no telling how many were still there.

"There is still fighting; some have been killed, some may have been taken prisoner. We don't know how many are left," said Sergei, a unit commander who said his men had been stationed outside Debaltseve for most of the battle.
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sebastiangoos twitterde op woensdag 18-02-2015 om 22:11:56 Soldat i #debaltseve til @WSJ: "It wasn’t a withdrawal. A withdrawal is supported by artillery and along a planned route. They abandoned us" reageer retweet

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MikkoLaaksonen1 twitterde op woensdag 18-02-2015 om 22:05:06 2,475 Ukrainian troops withdrawn from #Debaltseve by Wednesday evening –#Poroshenko http://t.co/2sZEZ2CuAM reageer retweet

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AlexanderNNero twitterde op woensdag 18-02-2015 om 21:59:24 Uks fled too fast. One of soldiers fell out of IFV. #Debaltsevehttp://t.co/ul21Qzrbfy reageer retweet

Ukraine: See war-shattered Kiev soldier COLLAPSE off moving IFV in Debaltsevo

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 22:24 schreef SureD1 het volgende:

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Nee nog niet, thanks! Welkom terug btw

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 22:31 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:
Is je vorige account gebanned of zo?

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 22:36 schreef crystal_meth het volgende:

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nope, doe domme dingen als ik bezopen ben, zoals account opgeven.

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RobertPaul1 twitterde op woensdag 18-02-2015 om 22:34:24 Watch: Ukrainian troops withdraw from #Debaltseve - @alextomo reports from #Ukraine http://t.co/M3K7jQ3wBd #c4news via @Channel4News reageer retweet

Ukraine crisis: Government troops withdraw from Debaltseve

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Op woensdag 18 februari 2015 22:42 schreef SureD1 het volgende:
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