Crisis in Oekraïne #121 Putin vs. The World

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AletheiaLibya twitterde op woensdag 27-08-2014 om 22:47:31 There may be known unknowns and unknown unknowns, but #Russia's invasion of #Ukraine is now a known known. reageer retweet

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myroslavapetsa twitterde op woensdag 27-08-2014 om 22:43:12 As Ukraine's afraid to go to bed tonight, the rest of the world watching it being invaded by Putin thinking it's safer to pretend all is fine reageer retweet

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op woensdag 27-08-2014 om 21:28:51 West did little/missed magnitude of impending catastrophe. Now that Putin's invasion of #Ukraine is no longer a secret, there's no way back. reageer retweet

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op woensdag 27-08-2014 om 23:25:16 Multiple reports coming in of the Russian army invading #Mariupol #Ukraine by land and sea. Trying to get more info. #RussiainvadedUkraine reageer retweet

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ChristopherJM twitterde op woensdag 27-08-2014 om 22:21:55 Little doubt likely goal of Rus forces in #Novoazovsk to create 3rd front forcing Ukr to divert forces, establish land connection to Crimea. reageer retweet

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Liveuamap twitterde op woensdag 27-08-2014 om 22:32:42 No more DNR and LNR fake states on http://t.co/LlkoJwbxFa Territories under control of Russia #RussiainvadedUkraine http://t.co/jAvYUCWDsd reageer retweet

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Op woensdag 27 augustus 2014 23:01 schreef Nintex het volgende:
Wel vreemd, Rusland is nu 'echt' Oekraine binnen gevallen in het Oosten, daar zijn de NAVO, US State dept. etc. het allemaal over eens, maar blijkbaar heeft dat geen impact meer.

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NATO Isn't Arming Ukraine, Just Like Russia Isn't Fighting There

By Ryan Faith
August 27, 2014 | 9:20 pm

A few events before the upcoming NATO Summit in Cardiff on September 4 all suggest that the West has finally decided that it would like to do a great deal (or more than absolutely nothing) but just doesn't want to be too tacky about it.

The first is a puzzling sale of 58 T-72 tanks to the Czech Republic by Hungary. Since the signing of the Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty in 1990, the purchase, transfer, and stationing of European arms and troops has been tightly regulated. So a sale between two signatories (such as the Czech Republic and Hungary) is closely monitored. And something caught the eye of defense industry observers in this transaction. While the Czechs were buying the vehicles, it didn't appear that they would actually be using them.

It's not yet possible to tell where these tanks will be going, but the current speculation is that they're destined for the Ukrainian army. This makes sense, because Ukraine is desperate for new equipment that is completely compatible with the Soviet-style stuff already in their inventory; the army doesn't want to screw around with new training or parts in the middle of a war.

But Hungary borders Ukraine directly, so why not just drive them into Ukraine? Well, the Hungarian entity selling the tanks is their Ministry of Defense. The Czech buyer, however, is a private company. So as long as the Czechs keep in compliance with relevant treaty obligations and the like, the sale is legal, and the Hungarian government can be completely honest when they say they're not providing arms to the Ukrainian military.

Secondly, the Croatian Ministry of Defense has announced that this is the perfect time to upgrade its helicopters to something more in keeping with the country's position as a member of a US-led alliance. They're getting rid of 14 old Mil Mi-8 transport choppers and will replace them with 20 new UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters from the US. What about the old, non-NATO helicopters? Well, as it turns out, there's a country to Croatia's east — that starts with "U-K-R" and rhymes with "insane" — on the lookout for ready-to-use Soviet-compatible equipment.

Finally, NATO head Anders Fogh Rasmussen recently told the Guardian that the alliance may put some sort of bases in Eastern European nations that share a border with Russia. There's some division on this within NATO. Some longtime NATO members, like Spain and Italy, are opposed to new bases, but folks in the East are clamoring for a stronger, permanent NATO presence, and Germany is sitting on the fence. It appears that the closer you have to live to Russia, the more adamant you are about having a lot of armed backup.

To split the difference (and to limit how big a deal Russia can make out of this) NATO won't be setting up large permanent bases. Rather, the idea is that there are facilities, with some troops stationed there for as "long as necessary" and other NATO forces rotated through. The idea of higher rotation is that it acquaints all the other militaries with the environment and gives them practice deploying to the base without being stationed there permanently.

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:13 schreef sonnyspek het volgende:
Is dit weer zo'n 'een konvooi rijdt Oekraïne binnen invasie' of een echte?

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:16 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Het is steun aan de rebellen, geen invasie. Blijkbaar was Poroshenko niet bereid om toegevingen te doen.

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StateOfUkraine twitterde op donderdag 28-08-2014 om 00:11:13 Russian drones over #Mariupol #Ukraine have been confirmed by locals. Major fear is that Russian air force will attack #RussiainvadedUkraine reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:22 schreef SuicideErrorist het volgende:
Waarom zie ik hier zo weinig over op nieuwssites (aannemende dat het dit keer wel echt is)? In het verleden ontplofte het internet bij iedere scheet van Rusland en nu het echt gaande lijkt is het zo stil...

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:17 schreef DSVM het volgende:

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LOL, heeft Poroshenko het weer gedaan

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HaraldDoornbos twitterde op donderdag 28-08-2014 om 00:24:21 Niemand die het weet natuurlijk, maar persoonlijk denk ik dat door Russen gesteunde rebellen in Oekraine tot Transnistria zullen doorstoten> reageer retweet

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HaraldDoornbos twitterde op donderdag 28-08-2014 om 00:26:17 > dan blijft er dus allemaal weinig van de Oekraine over. Maar goed, who knows. Wellicht is er morgen vrede. #kleinekans reageer retweet

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:13 schreef sonnyspek het volgende:
Is dit weer zo'n 'een konvooi rijdt Oekraïne binnen invasie' of een echte?

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:26 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Putin wil meer dan Poroshenko kon geven, zo beter?
Ik denk niet in termen van schuld, maar van actie - reactie. Heb het eerder al gezegd, realisten zijn een uitstervend ras.
Rusland wil iets, krijgt het niet, oefent meer druk uit.

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:29 schreef deelnemer het volgende:

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Geen 'echte invasie'. Wel een nieuw front in het zuiden van Donbas.

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Realisme is een eufemisme voor machtspolitiek. Het klinkt beter.

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Realpolitik is related to the philosophy of political realism, and both suggest working from the hypothesis that it is chiefly based on the pursuit, possession, and application of power. (See also power politics) Realpolitik, however, is a prescriptive guideline limited to policy-making (like foreign policy), while realism is a descriptive paradigm, a wider theoretical and methodological framework, aimed at describing, explaining and, eventually, predicting events in the international relations domains.

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Op donderdag 28 augustus 2014 00:30 schreef meth1745 het volgende:

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Realpolitik

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Red Cross Representative In Ukraine Resigns

Interfax-Ukraine reports that Andre Loersch, the representative of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Ukraine, has resigned.

Loersch told Interfax-Ukraine of his resignation today and declined to comment on the reasons for his departure.