[USA] Dexter #48 - Beste. Serie. Ooit.

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Op donderdag 26 september 2013 21:35 schreef Kenju het volgende:

Vond House helemaal geen prima einde hebben. 'Mijn maat heeft kanker en ik ga met hem een toer op de motor maken'.... Omtrent het personage zelf werd amper iets afgesloten.

Dat mag jij vinden.

Ok, dat hebben we gehad dan. Nu nog de Masuka spin-off!

Ik heb zitten janken. Dat doe ik dus echt nooit. Dexter, you'll always be in my heart. Ik heb deze serie jaren gevolgd en ook wel veel van geleerd, denk ik. Zo kan ik mij bijvoorbeeld ook nog wel wat grappige situaties herinneren als drie jaar geleden dat ik samen met mijn moeder op vakantie ging en dat we op het vliegveld zaten. Toen had ik net het seizoen moet Trinity in 1 klap gekeken en er was de hele tijd een oude man bij het vrouwentoilet en met mijn Dexter-blik hield ik hem in de gaten. Ook de rest van de vakantie heb ik me als een baas van een koudbloedige Dexter gedragen. Zo grappig.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 01:33 schreef Grazzle het volgende:
Ik heb zitten janken. Dat doe ik dus echt nooit. Dexter, you'll always be in my heart. Ik heb deze serie jaren gevolgd en ook wel veel van geleerd, denk ik. Zo kan ik mij bijvoorbeeld ook nog wel wat grappige situaties herinneren als drie jaar geleden dat ik samen met mijn moeder op vakantie ging en dat we op het vliegveld zaten. Toen had ik net het seizoen moet Trinity in 1 klap gekeken en er was de hele tijd een oude man bij het vrouwentoilet en met mijn Dexter-blik hield ik hem in de gaten. Ook de rest van de vakantie heb ik me als een baas van een koudbloedige Dexter gedragen. Zo grappig.

Nu heb je zeker een pijnlijke piemel en een enkelband?

Kunnen we hier even ophouden met dingen uit BB te bespreken? Ik zit middenin seizoen 1 en ik lees met opzet niet mee in het BB-topic.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 03:39 schreef ziggyziggyziggy het volgende:
Kunnen we hier even ophouden met dingen uit BB te bespreken? Ik zit middenin seizoen 1 en ik lees met opzet niet mee in het BB-topic.

Terechte opmerking.

Paar minuten voor het einde werd het scherm zwart en ik dacht: mooi!

Ging het nog verder

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Op donderdag 26 september 2013 14:56 schreef Catatafish het volgende:
Ik had liever gezien dat 'a la breaking bad' er iemand achter zijn geheim kwam, zoals Laquerta. Alleen dan wordt ze niet gedood maar sluit er langzaam een net om Dexter heen met een mass-shooting op het bureau op het einde waar iedereen de 'echte' Dexter ziet en hij in volle woede zijn daden opbiecht en het verraad van Dokes ect. En dan zou het nog niet eens zo gek slot zijn dat hij gewoon daadwerkelijk opgepakt wordt en in zo'n mouwloos psychiatrisch pakje in een donker gat zit als laatste scene, waarin hij hoort dat hij zijn eigen zus heeft doodgeschoten. En dan een traantje over de wang, Dexter is toch menselijk after-all.

Nog niet eens zo verkeerd.

Als zn collega's beetje normaal konden denken dan hadden ze het kunnnen zien op de camera beelden hoe hij die vent met de pen vermoord in koele bloede.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 10:27 schreef alki het volgende:

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Als zn collega's beetje normaal konden denken dan hadden ze het kunnnen zien op de camera beelden hoe hij die vent met de pen vermoord in koele bloede.

Sja, sowieso het hele lijstje aan Miami agenten die afgeschoten/gedood zijn is een beetje ongeloofwaardig lang. Maar goed het is een serie hé,.. komt nog niet in de buurt van de GTST taferelen .

Tevens is de beschreven verhaallijn van catatfish überwaardeloos imo.

ook wel grappig hoe een compleet vliegveld lamgelegd wordt omdat iemand een tas aanwijst die hij zelf daar neergezet heeft (toch?) en dat er vervolgens niet op camerabeelden onderzocht wordt hoe die tas daar dan wel gekomen is.

Maarja, Dexter maakte vorig seizoen ook even iemand af in een bagagehok op het vliegveld

Jullie zoeken een realiteit die nooit in de serie heeft gezeten, ook de schrijvers hebben dit herhaaldelijk gezegd.

Gisteren eindelijk de laatste aflevering gekeken, na een matig seizoen toch een aardige (maar geen briljante) afsluiting van de serie wat mij betreft. Ik kan er mee leven, al was het nivo wel zoek dit seizoen. Maar goed.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 11:39 schreef Rmie het volgende:

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Zo denk ik er ook over. Beste een goede afsluiting van een aardig seizoen.
Dexter als serie vind ik zelf geen topper, zoals Breaking Bad en The Wire.

The Wire is een klasse apart, Breaking Bad is hard die kant op aan het gaan (maar daar moet het stof nog van neerdwarrelen wat mij betreft) inderdaad. Vond Dexter wel heel vaak, zeker de eerdere seizoenen, echt heel spannend, waar ik dat bij andere series een stuk minder had maar bij Dexter stond je vaak haast bijna op de bank van spanning . Dat was wel goed gedaan.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 11:33 schreef Luigi het volgende:
Jullie zoeken een realiteit die nooit in de serie heeft gezeten, ook de schrijvers hebben dit herhaaldelijk gezegd.

Gisteren eindelijk de laatste aflevering gekeken, na een matig seizoen toch een aardige (maar geen briljante) afsluiting van de serie wat mij betreft. Ik kan er mee leven, al was het nivo wel zoek dit seizoen. Maar goed.

Ik snap dat er wat suspension of disbelief nodig is, maar Dexter heeft daar op veel punten teveel van gevraagd. Op een gegeven moment is het gebrek aan realisme gewoon storend. Dat de schrijvers ook toegeven dat ze het verhaal niet realistisch geschreven hebben verandert dat niet.

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Op donderdag 26 september 2013 21:39 schreef AlanStorm het volgende:
Ok, dat hebben we gehad dan. Nu nog de Masuka spin-off!

Ik wil een spin-off met Batista die een pizza-tent runt. Een comedy met een dikke lachband en een onhandige Batista die zichzelf steeds weer in nieuwe problemen brengt. Hilarisch!

Dit is wat de orginele producer/writer voor ogen had in the season finale!

"I haven't shared this with anyone," Philips told me. "And I can tell you that this is what I personally would have done should I have stayed with the show. I chose not to stay with the show, and so everybody did what they did, and I had no problem with that…and I think they did a good job with the final episode. But here is what I personally would have pitched."

"In the very last scene of the series," Philips explained, "Dexter wakes up. And everybody is going to think, 'Oh, it was a dream.' And then the camera pulls back and back and back and then we realize, 'No, it's not a dream.' Dexter's opening his eyes and he's on the execution table at the Florida Penitentiary. They're just starting to administer the drugs and he looks out through the window to the observation gallery.

"And in the gallery are all the people that Dexter killed—including the Trinity Killer and the Ice Truck Killer (his brother Rudy), LaGuerta who he was responsible killing, Doakes who he's arguably responsible for, Rita, who he's arguably responsible for, Lila. All the big deaths, and also whoever the weekly episodic kills were. They are all there.

"That's what I envisioned for the ending of Dexter. That everything we've seen over the past eight seasons has happened in the several seconds from the time they start Dexter's execution to the time they finish the execution and he dies. Literally, his life flashed before his eyes as he was about to die. I think it would have been a great, epic, very satisfying conclusion."

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 10:27 schreef alki het volgende:

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Als zn collega's beetje normaal konden denken dan hadden ze het kunnnen zien op de camera beelden hoe hij die vent met de pen vermoord in koele bloede.

precies dat!

Hij stond nog best lang naar het lichaam van Daniel Vogel te kijken voor ie op de knop drukte. Waarom zeiden Batista en Quinn daar niets over? je schrikt je toch rot als je collega zo in koelen bloede iemand vermoordt?

Ook niet al te best.

Ik vind het eenzame, gebrokene mooi, maar de laatste twee seizoenen waren gewoon kut als opbouw daarvoor.

En over possible spin-offs gesproken.

First, before some of you eat me alive, let me just defend my reasoning for the following ideas presented. Before Dexter's final season began, Showtime boss David Nevin had stated that he would very much like to keep Dexter's franchise alive. Additionally Scott Buck had also made statements that he would help in this endeavor.

Then during Dexter's 8 season it was announced that Scott Buck signed a two year deal with Showtime for several projects. One of those projects is an adaptation of New York Times best seller, "American Dream Machine" in which Michael C. Hall is set to executive produce, but also have a smaller 'behind the scenes' like role. It seems more than likely then that we wouldn't be getting a Dexter season 9, but given the choice to keep Dexter alive, it does suggest a possibility for a guess star role and/or cameo down that series line. (And of course there are always the possibility of flashbacks) I think his return would only be effective, if he became something secondary in relation to the first two spin off ideas presented, as he is reason for launching the futures of those characters' lives, but also it would only work if it was something that isn't freely given in the first couple of seasons, or rather something temporary and/or saved for the end.

1. Hannah McKay (raising Harrison)

The character was saved for the tale end of the series, is fairly established, and provided a concept of one cycle ending and another one starting in relation to Dexter's final season's motherhood themes.

But more importantly Yvonne Strahovski is a strong enough actress to lead the series, assuming it would follow Dexter's blueprint of flashbacks, daydreams, and voice over.

Additionally Argentina is similar enough to Miami in that it is ethnically diverse providing an array of people from all over the world, another tropical-city setting, and some Latin American aesthetic. There would surely be parallels to Dexter in that she is an empathetic killer and no doubt there would be people, even Jacob Elway, who may be hot to find Hannah McKay. Plus maybe Hannah will start her own orchard!

An additional twist could be Harrison. In the final season the writers may have hinted that Harrison either may not go unscathed or that Harrison has some kind of sixth sense and/or psychic ability, as has his imaginary elephant was named Dan (Dr. Vogel's son is named DANiel Vogel), he was highly observant catching Dexter in a lie and calling him on it (and when he was even younger, he noticed Dexter's slide box: "Daddy's box"), and seemed more than prepared to say goodbye to his father while also whole heartedly embraced Hannah as his mother. Either way it could provide extra delema for Hannah to have a problem child.

2. An Older Harrison Morgan

Whether we look at Harrison in his late teens/early 20's or his mid thirty's could this series be an interesting contrast to Dexter, but like I suggested above, it would be better if there would be something other worldly about Harrison, whether he might go around solving crimes, or if we go "The Medium" route with him helping various good and bad people save themselves spiritually in some way. By not making him a killer, we would get something fresh and something juxtaposing Dexter.

3. Miami Metro Continuation (Batista, Quinn, Masuka, Miller, Mathews)

This is actually my least favorite of the spin off ideas. I love these characters dearly, but they were good IMO because they were supporting cast. The only way I could see it working is if one of them became a killer, and leaning on finale false spoiler of Quinn here, Quinn might be a character where that could potentially work, but would be most effective if Deb would return as his dark passenger! Otherwise, I think it wouldn't have that same drive that made Dexter so controversial.

4. Young Adult Astor

For one thing, I think a spin off featuring a female lead to compliment Dexter's is great idea, but another reason for this would be to bring some kind of justice onto the dark symbolism of Deb, since Astor was often a reflection of her.

I think I would totally watch a series about Detective Astor Bennett fighting crime and getting into precarious situations, especially since I'm sure the series would include Cody as well, which would also keep the Deb and Dexter antics alive.

Maybe she could keep falling for serial killers...

5. Lumen Pierce

It's true Lumen doesn't have the same establishment or meaning as Hannah McKay, but she's a character who's back story is so lightly touched on that it would be easy to add to it and/or question if was the truth at all. She also was a kind of equal to him in a way where other characters were not in addition to being a surviving 'disciple' of Dexter.

For whatever reason the fan-fic that only exists inside my head takes place in New Mexico where her red-headed dorky best friend, Rusty, is member of Setti and is thus obsessed with aliens, and where her undercover work for the DEA gets her nearly killed every season, while she also struggles with being a child stolen and sold into a porn ring, all the while her non biological mother is a US Marshall born and raised in Texas, who gives her a lot of grief over her life style.

Considering that Dexter ended the series in similar fashion to Lumen in breaking a cycle, I think it could be interesting to get to know Lumen and see how well she adjusted.

Bonus Ideas:

These are just to throw them out there, but I think they're mostly iffy.

6. You could start with a completely new serial killer. Whether the killer would also exist in Miami or start in a completely new place may have pros and cons. By reusing Miami the spin off would keep the feel of Dexter alive along with the same supporting cast, but problematically how would we not just retell Dexter's story? How would you make this character interesting, likable, but yet not completely be like Dexter? One way could be if the killer is shadowing the Bay Harbor Butcher. Trying to start completely fresh in a new place would kind of defeat the purpose of a spin off, unless someone left over from Dexter happens to move there too...

7. Another option is a Harry and Mathew's prequel that would basically run like a political cop drama.

8.And lastly a few minor characters that still exist as well: Jamie Batista, Jacob Elway, Arlene Shcramm, Anton Briggs. (I would have named Jonah Mitchell, but it appears Saxon may have killed him, as a "J. Mitchell" appears on a possible victim's list on his computer) -But none of these, say for Elway, sound very promising.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 12:21 schreef _Dido_ het volgende:

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Hij stond nog best lang naar het lichaam van Daniel Vogel te kijken voor ie op de knop drukte. Waarom zeiden Batista en Quinn daar niets over? je schrikt je toch rot als je collega zo in koelen bloede iemand vermoordt?

Ik denk dat Quinn en Batista ook wel door hadden dat dit weinig met "self defence" te maken had, maar ze begrepen wel dat Dexter wraak wilde nemen op de moordenaar van z'n zus.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 12:25 schreef Tijn het volgende:

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Ik denk dat Quinn en Batista ook wel door hadden dat dit weinig met "self defence" te maken had, maar ze begrepen wel dat Dexter wraak wilde nemen op de moordenaar van z'n zus.

Dat denk ik ook, al was het maar omdat Dexter nou niet bepaald subtiel overging naar z'n slachtofferrol. En dan die opmerking van Quinn.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 12:25 schreef Tijn het volgende:

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Ik denk dat Quinn en Batista ook wel door hadden dat dit weinig met "self defence" te maken had, maar ze begrepen wel dat Dexter wraak wilde nemen op de moordenaar van z'n zus.

ja duh, vooral bij Quinn zag je dat heel goed. Maar dan nog vond ik ze vrij onbewogen naar de beelden kijken. Niemand die dacht: tjee dat ziet eruit alsof ie het vaker doet! Oid.

[ Bericht 6% gewijzigd door _Dido_ op 27-09-2013 13:30:24 ]

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 12:24 schreef danusz1986 het volgende:
En over possible spin-offs gesproken.

First, before some of you eat me alive, let me just defend my reasoning for the following ideas presented. Before Dexter's final season began, Showtime boss David Nevin had stated that he would very much like to keep Dexter's franchise alive. Additionally Scott Buck had also made statements that he would help in this endeavor.

Then during Dexter's 8 season it was announced that Scott Buck signed a two year deal with Showtime for several projects. One of those projects is an adaptation of New York Times best seller, "American Dream Machine" in which Michael C. Hall is set to executive produce, but also have a smaller 'behind the scenes' like role. It seems more than likely then that we wouldn't be getting a Dexter season 9, but given the choice to keep Dexter alive, it does suggest a possibility for a guess star role and/or cameo down that series line. (And of course there are always the possibility of flashbacks) I think his return would only be effective, if he became something secondary in relation to the first two spin off ideas presented, as he is reason for launching the futures of those characters' lives, but also it would only work if it was something that isn't freely given in the first couple of seasons, or rather something temporary and/or saved for the end.

1. Hannah McKay (raising Harrison)

The character was saved for the tale end of the series, is fairly established, and provided a concept of one cycle ending and another one starting in relation to Dexter's final season's motherhood themes.

But more importantly Yvonne Strahovski is a strong enough actress to lead the series, assuming it would follow Dexter's blueprint of flashbacks, daydreams, and voice over.

Additionally Argentina is similar enough to Miami in that it is ethnically diverse providing an array of people from all over the world, another tropical-city setting, and some Latin American aesthetic. There would surely be parallels to Dexter in that she is an empathetic killer and no doubt there would be people, even Jacob Elway, who may be hot to find Hannah McKay. Plus maybe Hannah will start her own orchard!

An additional twist could be Harrison. In the final season the writers may have hinted that Harrison either may not go unscathed or that Harrison has some kind of sixth sense and/or psychic ability, as has his imaginary elephant was named Dan (Dr. Vogel's son is named DANiel Vogel), he was highly observant catching Dexter in a lie and calling him on it (and when he was even younger, he noticed Dexter's slide box: "Daddy's box"), and seemed more than prepared to say goodbye to his father while also whole heartedly embraced Hannah as his mother. Either way it could provide extra delema for Hannah to have a problem child.

2. An Older Harrison Morgan

Whether we look at Harrison in his late teens/early 20's or his mid thirty's could this series be an interesting contrast to Dexter, but like I suggested above, it would be better if there would be something other worldly about Harrison, whether he might go around solving crimes, or if we go "The Medium" route with him helping various good and bad people save themselves spiritually in some way. By not making him a killer, we would get something fresh and something juxtaposing Dexter.

3. Miami Metro Continuation (Batista, Quinn, Masuka, Miller, Mathews)

This is actually my least favorite of the spin off ideas. I love these characters dearly, but they were good IMO because they were supporting cast. The only way I could see it working is if one of them became a killer, and leaning on finale false spoiler of Quinn here, Quinn might be a character where that could potentially work, but would be most effective if Deb would return as his dark passenger! Otherwise, I think it wouldn't have that same drive that made Dexter so controversial.

4. Young Adult Astor

For one thing, I think a spin off featuring a female lead to compliment Dexter's is great idea, but another reason for this would be to bring some kind of justice onto the dark symbolism of Deb, since Astor was often a reflection of her.

I think I would totally watch a series about Detective Astor Bennett fighting crime and getting into precarious situations, especially since I'm sure the series would include Cody as well, which would also keep the Deb and Dexter antics alive.

Maybe she could keep falling for serial killers...

5. Lumen Pierce

It's true Lumen doesn't have the same establishment or meaning as Hannah McKay, but she's a character who's back story is so lightly touched on that it would be easy to add to it and/or question if was the truth at all. She also was a kind of equal to him in a way where other characters were not in addition to being a surviving 'disciple' of Dexter.

For whatever reason the fan-fic that only exists inside my head takes place in New Mexico where her red-headed dorky best friend, Rusty, is member of Setti and is thus obsessed with aliens, and where her undercover work for the DEA gets her nearly killed every season, while she also struggles with being a child stolen and sold into a porn ring, all the while her non biological mother is a US Marshall born and raised in Texas, who gives her a lot of grief over her life style.

Considering that Dexter ended the series in similar fashion to Lumen in breaking a cycle, I think it could be interesting to get to know Lumen and see how well she adjusted.

Bonus Ideas:

These are just to throw them out there, but I think they're mostly iffy.

6. You could start with a completely new serial killer. Whether the killer would also exist in Miami or start in a completely new place may have pros and cons. By reusing Miami the spin off would keep the feel of Dexter alive along with the same supporting cast, but problematically how would we not just retell Dexter's story? How would you make this character interesting, likable, but yet not completely be like Dexter? One way could be if the killer is shadowing the Bay Harbor Butcher. Trying to start completely fresh in a new place would kind of defeat the purpose of a spin off, unless someone left over from Dexter happens to move there too...

7. Another option is a Harry and Mathew's prequel that would basically run like a political cop drama.

8.And lastly a few minor characters that still exist as well: Jamie Batista, Jacob Elway, Arlene Shcramm, Anton Briggs. (I would have named Jonah Mitchell, but it appears Saxon may have killed him, as a "J. Mitchell" appears on a possible victim's list on his computer) -But none of these, say for Elway, sound very promising.

Een spin off van een oudere Harrison lijkt me wel interessant.

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Op vrijdag 27 september 2013 12:21 schreef _Dido_ het volgende:

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precies dat!

Hij stond nog best lang naar het lichaam van Daniel Vogel te kijken voor ie op de knop drukte. Waarom zeiden Batista en Quinn daar niets over? je schrikt je toch rot als je collega zo in koelen bloede iemand vermoordt?

Ze begrepen beide wel wat daar gebeurd was.
Joey was daar niet te rouwig om, sterker nog, die was vast teleurgesteld dat dat zijn idee niet was (moest tijdens de verhoring ook afkoelen van Batista en werd naar buiten gestuurd, nadat 'ie Saxon al wat aan wilde doen).

Batista kan ook de 1+1-rekensom wel maken en was dan ook van z'n gezicht af te lezen dat 'ie het totaal fucked-up vond (i.t.t. Quinn). Maar goed, hij wil de waarheid ook niet horen en wil het dan maar afdoen als noodweer, hij is niet zo'n naaier dat 'ie Dex daarvoor achter grendel zet; Dex en Deb zijn als familie voor hem.
Het gezicht van ongeloof maar berusting:

Dus ik denk niet dat het hem in de koude kleren is gaan zitten.

Vond dat dan ook de enige waardige scene in de finale.