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British Muslims plotted attack 'bigger than 7/7'
Three young British Muslims plotted attack 'bigger than 7/7' in Al Qaeda-backed atrocity in shopping centres and stations with team of eight suicide bombers after terror training in Pakistan
Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, wanted 'to rival 9/11'
Ringleaders spent years travelling to Pakistan for 'terror training'
Al-Qaeda backed group made videos to play after they blew themselves up
Terror cell raised funds by posing as bogus charity workers in street
Plotted 'spectacular campaign' from makeshift bomb factory in council flat
Eight suicide bombers would have claimed more lives than 7/7, police say
But deadly plan was discovered after bugs were planted in Birmingham flat
Police then found explosives in Midlands when plot was at advanced stage
Three Al Qaeda-backed British Muslims have been found guilty of planning the deadliest terror attack on British soil by using eight suicide bombers to cause 'mass death' and 'carnage'.
Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, all from Birmingham, were today convicted of plotting the 'spectacular campaign' designed to claim as many lives as the 2005 London Underground bombs that killed 52 innocent people.
Inspired by hate preacher Anwar al-Awlaki's online sermons, the homegrown jihadis planned a series of explosions at crowded shopping centres and railway stations across Britain.
They travelled to Pakistan to learn about bomb-making, weapons and poisons then used their Birmingham council flat as a makeshift explosive factory.
The trio, who called themselves the Four Lions after the black comedy film by Chris Morrison, funded the plot by pretending to be Muslim Aid charity street collectors.
Judge Justice Henriques said: 'You were seeking to recruit a team of suicide bombers to carry out a spectacular bombing campaign, one which would create an anniversary along the lines of 7/7 or 9/11'.
The bomb plotters had the means, the will and the know-how to carry out mass murder in the biggest terror attack on the British mainland 'in a generation', detectives said.
Six other men have already admitted or been found guilty of being part of the terror cell, it can also be revealed today.
The friends had been going to Pakistan to train how to make bombs and use weapons since March 2009.
By 2011 they were being watched by MI5 and police, who had bugged their car and headquarters.
The investigation, known as Operation Examine/Pitsford, grew to be the 450-strong counter-terror unit’s largest ever, resulting in 12 arrests and smashing one of the most serious terror bomb plots of recent years.
In one chilling warning, Naseer was covertly recorded saying of the UK: 'The only thing you will achieve is suicide bombers on your streets, spilling so much blood you’ll have nightmares for the rest of your life.'
Khalid even boasted that the attack was 'another 9/11' as 'revenge for everything'.
As well as planning a series of suicide bombing, the cell was also heard talking about the possibility of mixing poison into creams such as Vaseline or Nivea and smearing them on car handles to cause mass deaths. The trio even pondered welding blades to a truck and driving it into people.
While driving the men were heard comparing themselves to Formula One drivers.
Prosecutor Brian Altman said: 'They pretended they were going really fast taking over cars, saying there were no cars in front or behind them.
'They had just taken over Jenson Button and Nigel Mansell where is he?
'Then Khalid says: 'It's the four suicide bombers driving around ready to take on England. Oh my God take them out.'
Mixing in street slang with jihadi rhetoric, they justify their plot by saying Westerners deserve to be 'terrorised'.
Naseer says: 'They wanna have sex like donkeys on the street, they wanna club, act like animals and why shouldn't we terrorise them, tell me that?
'You think about it, if someone came in your house, yeah, and started dancing and throughout the night and started basically having orgies and smoking drugs and stuff...you would terrorise them, innit.'
Naseer later anticipates killing 2,000 people in nailbomb attacks, outlining his plan as: 'Boom, boom, boom everywhere...kill.'
Police believe it was the most significant terror plot to be uncovered since the 2006 conspiracy to blow up transatlantic airliners using bombs disguised as soft drinks.
Naseer was today found guilty of five counts of engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorist acts, Khalid four, and Ali three, all between Christmas Day 2010 and September 19 2011.
For Naseer, from Sparkhill, Khalid, from Sparkbrook, and Ali, from Balsall Heath, this included planning a bombing campaign, collecting money for terrorism and recruiting others for terrorism.
Naseer and Khalid also travelled to Pakistan for training, and Naseer helped others travel to the country for the same purpose.
Prosecutor Brian Altman QC told the jury: 'The police successfully disrupted a plan to commit an act or acts of terrorism on a scale potentially greater than the London bombings in July 2005, had it been allowed to run its course.
'The defendants were proposing to detonate up to eight rucksack bombs in a suicide attack and/or to detonate bombs on timers in crowded areas in order to cause mass deaths and casualties.'
Naseer and Khalid both travelled to terrorist training camps in Pakistan between 2009 and 2011 to learn about bomb-making, poisons and firearms.
They raised £12,000 for themselves in this way, but were forced to apply for tens of thousands of pounds in loans after losing more than £9,000 of the money playing foreign currency markets.
In a reference to the black comedy film, Ali also told his estranged wife Salma Kabal: 'Oh, you think this is a flipping Four Lions. We're one man short.'
Mr Justice Henriques told the trio that they will all face life in prison when they are sentenced in April or May.
Speaking to Naseer, he said he had been convicted on 'overwhelming evidence' and that he will face 'a very long minimum term'.
The judge said: 'You are a highly skilled bomb maker and explosives expert. Your mindset was similarly manifest.
'You sought to persuade others that a terror plot here in this country was by far preferable to fighting jihad abroad.
'It's clear that you were planning a terrorist outrage in Birmingham.'
Senior investigating officer Detective Inspector Adam Gough said: 'From covert recordings from the address at 23 White Street, the group had talked of their need to keep the operation a secret.
'They put up black curtains at the house, and they made reference to their concerns they might be under surveillance.
'We could hear them - and we heard them discussing the 'martyr' (July 7 bomber) Mohammed Sidique Khan, and they discussed how much chemicals they would need.
'Naseer referred to "seven or eight in different places - boom, boom, boom".'
By September 16 2011, the three men were 'experimenting with chemicals and home-made explosive', said Mr Gough, and the police acted.
There was a fear that they might try to test a device, putting members of the public at risk.
Late on the night of September 18, officers swooped on the men's car when it drove along a suburban street as they were heading out to get takeaway food.
All three were arrested, and in the next two hours 14 warrants were carried out on addresses across Birmingham.
Among the addresses raided was the group's safe house, where further evidence of the men's attempts to make a bomb was recovered, including a sports injury cool pack which Naseer had mistakenly believed would contain ammonium nitrate - a key bomb-making ingredient.
A partially-burned note written by Naseer detailing how to make what an expert witness said during the trial would have made a viable bomb was also recovered.
Mr Gough said: 'Naseer had told Ali to burn the note but it wasn't done properly, and Naseer later admitted he had written it.'
The note detailed the chemicals, the amounts and mixtures of how to make explosives, although they never got as far as creating a bomb and carrying out their threats.
In one chilling warning, Naseer was covertly recorded saying of the UK: 'The only thing you will achieve is suicide bombers on your streets, spilling so much blood you'll have nightmares for the rest of your life.'
The men had been under MI5 surveillance, and the bugged recordings painted a picture of incompetence as they plotted their attacks.
The plot hit a snag when, Rahin Ahmed, the cell's chief fundraiser, who admitted the charges, lost more than £9,000 of the group's cash they raised in a bad investments on the money market.
His fellow jihadists ordered him to sell his Honda Civic to make up the loss.
Rather than sell his car, he turned to payday loan firm Yes Loans to make up the missing cash, but was left empty-handed when the firm ruled he did not meet their criteria.
They then suggested setting up stalls around the country selling cakes and perfume and do door-to-door collections to raise cash.
They also applied for bank loans worth £33,000 from two different branches of Barclay's on the same day but were again unsuccessful.
On another occasion they decided to make a bomb out of a cold pack used for sports injuries, believing it contained ammonium nitrate.
They rowed over who should buy the pack - with Naseer, nicknamed Chubbs, refusing as he was too fat to be a believable athlete.
Ali went in his place but in the end there was no ammonium nitrate in the pack they brought.
When they did get round to making a bomb, Ali managed to spill chemicals on his hands, saying 'I've done my fingers man, is it dangerous if you get it on your fingers? It's like acid, innit?'
Naseer, drawing from his experience at terror camp, replies: 'Yeah, it's painful man. You won't die, it'll make you ill a bit'.
Realising the trail of evidence, the men attempt to destroy their paperwork.
But, said Mr Altman, they 'did not make a very good job of it' as police found it largely intact in a rubbish bin in Ali's kitchen.
Eleven men and one woman have been charged over the alleged plot. Some have since pleaded guilty while others await trial.
The six that have admitted terror offences, who are also from Birmingham, are Rahin Ahmed 26, from Moseley; Mujahid Hussain, 21, from Yardley; Naweed Ali, 25, Ishaaq Hussain, 21, Khobaib Hussain, 22, and Shahid Khan, 21, all from Sparkhill.
Salma Kabal, 23, of Alum Rock, Birmingham, will go on trial later this year, accused of not alerting the authorities to the plot.
Also facing trial are Rizwan, of Ward End, Birmingham, and Bahader Ali, of Sparkbrook, Birmingham, who deny involvement with the terror cell.
CONSPIRACY : WHY DID NO ONE IN PLOTTERS’ COMMUNITY TIP OFF POLICE?
Nobody in the bomb plotters' own community tipped the police off with their concerns, despite finding out they were sending young men to terror training camps in Pakistan.
At no point during the 18-month investigation by the West Midlands counter-terrorism unit did anyone in Birmingham's Muslim community inform on the behaviour of Irfan Naseer, Irfan Khalid (together right) and Ashik Ali, raising questions over the health of relations between officers and community leaders.
This was despite the fact the families of four other young men recruited from Sparkhill all intervened to bring them back home the moment they found out the real reasons for them travelling to Pakistan.
Detective Inspector Adam Gough, senior investigating officer, said the extended families of the four men had 'become aware' of why they went to Pakistan but, in any case, 'did not tell us'.
Ishaaq Hussain, Shahid Khan, Khobaib Hussain and Naweed Ali were told to tell loved ones they were studying at madrassas if asked.
Police and security services were aware the four were travelling but decided against stopping them to preserve the surveillance operation (below) and because evidence-gathering was in the early stages.
According to detectives, none of the men received any terror training as they left the camps after a day.
Mr Gough said: 'We know pressure was applied to them to come back.
'Shahid Khan virtually ran home. Three of the four came back almost immediately, while the fourth stayed with his family in Pakistan.
'We know that they did reach a training camp.
'But it is a success story in that the families did bring those people back and it shows the vast majority of the community abhor terrorism in the same way we do.'
Community engagement - under what the police call the Prevent programme - is supposed to form a cornerstone of the UK counter-terrorism policing strategy.
Prevent aims to respond 'to the ideological challenge of terrorism' by 'developing partnerships' with communities, thereby preventing people being 'drawn into terrorism'.
Assistant Chief Constable Marcus Beale, who is responsible for counter-terrorism at West Midlands Police, said: 'The families were trying to do their best to get them back and stop them getting into trouble, rather than get in touch with us.
'I agree it would have been really good if more could have been shared with us, and we could have dealt with it in a different way.
'In terms of community engagement, would I like them to come forward more? Yes, I would.
'Do I think they (the Muslim community) were being disruptive - no, I do not.'
Mr Beale also said he believed the two local charitable organisations on whose behalf the three men had masqueraded to raise money "were duped, rather than being complicit'.
He added: 'We want to help make sure they (the charities) are not quite so easily duped in the future.'
Some of that money scammed from charities was actually gambled away by another member of the group, Rahin Ahmed, who was given the task of playing the financial markets to try to increase the group's cash reserves.
He previously admitted engaging in conduct in preparation of acts of terror, encouraging acts of terror, collecting money for terrorism and assisting other to travel for training in terrorism.
On one occasion, Ahmed - an unemployed law graduate who was a community worker with one of the charities - lost £3,000 when he left his computer screen for five minutes to boil a kettle.
He tried to recover some of his losses, but in total lost £9,000 of the £14,500 invested.
There was talk in the group of acquiring a shop, as a front for a bomb factory at the back of the premises, but Ahmed lost too much money and the idea had to be dropped.
Mr Beale said the police do not know how much money the group collected.
CHARITY ‘VICTIM’ OF TERROR FRAUD
The charity whose name was misused by three men to raise money for terrorism insisted today that it has improved the security of its street collections.
Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, all from Birmingham, were part of a group which collected £13,500 that was supposed to be for Muslim Aid.
However only around £1,500 of the cash actually went to the charity, while the rest was intended for the group to fund terrorist atrocities.
Today Muslim Aid said: 'We welcome the conviction and sentencing of the individuals who were not Muslim Aid volunteers but used our name and property to collect funds illegally for their intended criminal activity.
'We would like to reassure the public that we have taken steps to improve the security of our street collections and branded property. We encourage our donors to check the credentials of collectors when they are approached for donations.'
The charity uses funds to support anti-poverty projects around the world, including supporting elderly people and the homeless in the UK.
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British Muslims plotted attack 'bigger than 7/7'
Three young British Muslims plotted attack 'bigger than 7/7' in Al Qaeda-backed atrocity in shopping centres and stations with team of eight suicide bombers after terror training in Pakistan
Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, wanted 'to rival 9/11'
Ringleaders spent years travelling to Pakistan for 'terror training'
Al-Qaeda backed group made videos to play after they blew themselves up
Terror cell raised funds by posing as bogus charity workers in street
Plotted 'spectacular campaign' from makeshift bomb factory in council flat
Eight suicide bombers would have claimed more lives than 7/7, police say
But deadly plan was discovered after bugs were planted in Birmingham flat
Police then found explosives in Midlands when plot was at advanced stage
Three Al Qaeda-backed British Muslims have been found guilty of planning the deadliest terror attack on British soil by using eight suicide bombers to cause 'mass death' and 'carnage'.
Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, all from Birmingham, were today convicted of plotting the 'spectacular campaign' designed to claim as many lives as the 2005 London Underground bombs that killed 52 innocent people.
Inspired by hate preacher Anwar al-Awlaki's online sermons, the homegrown jihadis planned a series of explosions at crowded shopping centres and railway stations across Britain.
They travelled to Pakistan to learn about bomb-making, weapons and poisons then used their Birmingham council flat as a makeshift explosive factory.
The trio, who called themselves the Four Lions after the black comedy film by Chris Morrison, funded the plot by pretending to be Muslim Aid charity street collectors.
Judge Justice Henriques said: 'You were seeking to recruit a team of suicide bombers to carry out a spectacular bombing campaign, one which would create an anniversary along the lines of 7/7 or 9/11'.
The bomb plotters had the means, the will and the know-how to carry out mass murder in the biggest terror attack on the British mainland 'in a generation', detectives said.
Six other men have already admitted or been found guilty of being part of the terror cell, it can also be revealed today.
The friends had been going to Pakistan to train how to make bombs and use weapons since March 2009.
By 2011 they were being watched by MI5 and police, who had bugged their car and headquarters.
The investigation, known as Operation Examine/Pitsford, grew to be the 450-strong counter-terror unit’s largest ever, resulting in 12 arrests and smashing one of the most serious terror bomb plots of recent years.
In one chilling warning, Naseer was covertly recorded saying of the UK: 'The only thing you will achieve is suicide bombers on your streets, spilling so much blood you’ll have nightmares for the rest of your life.'
Khalid even boasted that the attack was 'another 9/11' as 'revenge for everything'.
As well as planning a series of suicide bombing, the cell was also heard talking about the possibility of mixing poison into creams such as Vaseline or Nivea and smearing them on car handles to cause mass deaths. The trio even pondered welding blades to a truck and driving it into people.
While driving the men were heard comparing themselves to Formula One drivers.
Prosecutor Brian Altman said: 'They pretended they were going really fast taking over cars, saying there were no cars in front or behind them.
'They had just taken over Jenson Button and Nigel Mansell where is he?
'Then Khalid says: 'It's the four suicide bombers driving around ready to take on England. Oh my God take them out.'
Mixing in street slang with jihadi rhetoric, they justify their plot by saying Westerners deserve to be 'terrorised'.
Naseer says: 'They wanna have sex like donkeys on the street, they wanna club, act like animals and why shouldn't we terrorise them, tell me that?
'You think about it, if someone came in your house, yeah, and started dancing and throughout the night and started basically having orgies and smoking drugs and stuff...you would terrorise them, innit.'
Naseer later anticipates killing 2,000 people in nailbomb attacks, outlining his plan as: 'Boom, boom, boom everywhere...kill.'
Police believe it was the most significant terror plot to be uncovered since the 2006 conspiracy to blow up transatlantic airliners using bombs disguised as soft drinks.
Naseer was today found guilty of five counts of engaging in conduct in preparation of terrorist acts, Khalid four, and Ali three, all between Christmas Day 2010 and September 19 2011.
For Naseer, from Sparkhill, Khalid, from Sparkbrook, and Ali, from Balsall Heath, this included planning a bombing campaign, collecting money for terrorism and recruiting others for terrorism.
Naseer and Khalid also travelled to Pakistan for training, and Naseer helped others travel to the country for the same purpose.
Prosecutor Brian Altman QC told the jury: 'The police successfully disrupted a plan to commit an act or acts of terrorism on a scale potentially greater than the London bombings in July 2005, had it been allowed to run its course.
'The defendants were proposing to detonate up to eight rucksack bombs in a suicide attack and/or to detonate bombs on timers in crowded areas in order to cause mass deaths and casualties.'
Naseer and Khalid both travelled to terrorist training camps in Pakistan between 2009 and 2011 to learn about bomb-making, poisons and firearms.
They raised £12,000 for themselves in this way, but were forced to apply for tens of thousands of pounds in loans after losing more than £9,000 of the money playing foreign currency markets.
In a reference to the black comedy film, Ali also told his estranged wife Salma Kabal: 'Oh, you think this is a flipping Four Lions. We're one man short.'
Mr Justice Henriques told the trio that they will all face life in prison when they are sentenced in April or May.
Speaking to Naseer, he said he had been convicted on 'overwhelming evidence' and that he will face 'a very long minimum term'.
The judge said: 'You are a highly skilled bomb maker and explosives expert. Your mindset was similarly manifest.
'You sought to persuade others that a terror plot here in this country was by far preferable to fighting jihad abroad.
'It's clear that you were planning a terrorist outrage in Birmingham.'
Senior investigating officer Detective Inspector Adam Gough said: 'From covert recordings from the address at 23 White Street, the group had talked of their need to keep the operation a secret.
'They put up black curtains at the house, and they made reference to their concerns they might be under surveillance.
'We could hear them - and we heard them discussing the 'martyr' (July 7 bomber) Mohammed Sidique Khan, and they discussed how much chemicals they would need.
'Naseer referred to "seven or eight in different places - boom, boom, boom".'
By September 16 2011, the three men were 'experimenting with chemicals and home-made explosive', said Mr Gough, and the police acted.
There was a fear that they might try to test a device, putting members of the public at risk.
Late on the night of September 18, officers swooped on the men's car when it drove along a suburban street as they were heading out to get takeaway food.
All three were arrested, and in the next two hours 14 warrants were carried out on addresses across Birmingham.
Among the addresses raided was the group's safe house, where further evidence of the men's attempts to make a bomb was recovered, including a sports injury cool pack which Naseer had mistakenly believed would contain ammonium nitrate - a key bomb-making ingredient.
A partially-burned note written by Naseer detailing how to make what an expert witness said during the trial would have made a viable bomb was also recovered.
Mr Gough said: 'Naseer had told Ali to burn the note but it wasn't done properly, and Naseer later admitted he had written it.'
The note detailed the chemicals, the amounts and mixtures of how to make explosives, although they never got as far as creating a bomb and carrying out their threats.
In one chilling warning, Naseer was covertly recorded saying of the UK: 'The only thing you will achieve is suicide bombers on your streets, spilling so much blood you'll have nightmares for the rest of your life.'
The men had been under MI5 surveillance, and the bugged recordings painted a picture of incompetence as they plotted their attacks.
The plot hit a snag when, Rahin Ahmed, the cell's chief fundraiser, who admitted the charges, lost more than £9,000 of the group's cash they raised in a bad investments on the money market.
His fellow jihadists ordered him to sell his Honda Civic to make up the loss.
Rather than sell his car, he turned to payday loan firm Yes Loans to make up the missing cash, but was left empty-handed when the firm ruled he did not meet their criteria.
They then suggested setting up stalls around the country selling cakes and perfume and do door-to-door collections to raise cash.
They also applied for bank loans worth £33,000 from two different branches of Barclay's on the same day but were again unsuccessful.
On another occasion they decided to make a bomb out of a cold pack used for sports injuries, believing it contained ammonium nitrate.
They rowed over who should buy the pack - with Naseer, nicknamed Chubbs, refusing as he was too fat to be a believable athlete.
Ali went in his place but in the end there was no ammonium nitrate in the pack they brought.
When they did get round to making a bomb, Ali managed to spill chemicals on his hands, saying 'I've done my fingers man, is it dangerous if you get it on your fingers? It's like acid, innit?'
Naseer, drawing from his experience at terror camp, replies: 'Yeah, it's painful man. You won't die, it'll make you ill a bit'.
Realising the trail of evidence, the men attempt to destroy their paperwork.
But, said Mr Altman, they 'did not make a very good job of it' as police found it largely intact in a rubbish bin in Ali's kitchen.
Eleven men and one woman have been charged over the alleged plot. Some have since pleaded guilty while others await trial.
The six that have admitted terror offences, who are also from Birmingham, are Rahin Ahmed 26, from Moseley; Mujahid Hussain, 21, from Yardley; Naweed Ali, 25, Ishaaq Hussain, 21, Khobaib Hussain, 22, and Shahid Khan, 21, all from Sparkhill.
Salma Kabal, 23, of Alum Rock, Birmingham, will go on trial later this year, accused of not alerting the authorities to the plot.
Also facing trial are Rizwan, of Ward End, Birmingham, and Bahader Ali, of Sparkbrook, Birmingham, who deny involvement with the terror cell.
CONSPIRACY : WHY DID NO ONE IN PLOTTERS’ COMMUNITY TIP OFF POLICE?
Nobody in the bomb plotters' own community tipped the police off with their concerns, despite finding out they were sending young men to terror training camps in Pakistan.
At no point during the 18-month investigation by the West Midlands counter-terrorism unit did anyone in Birmingham's Muslim community inform on the behaviour of Irfan Naseer, Irfan Khalid (together right) and Ashik Ali, raising questions over the health of relations between officers and community leaders.
This was despite the fact the families of four other young men recruited from Sparkhill all intervened to bring them back home the moment they found out the real reasons for them travelling to Pakistan.
Detective Inspector Adam Gough, senior investigating officer, said the extended families of the four men had 'become aware' of why they went to Pakistan but, in any case, 'did not tell us'.
Ishaaq Hussain, Shahid Khan, Khobaib Hussain and Naweed Ali were told to tell loved ones they were studying at madrassas if asked.
Police and security services were aware the four were travelling but decided against stopping them to preserve the surveillance operation (below) and because evidence-gathering was in the early stages.
According to detectives, none of the men received any terror training as they left the camps after a day.
Mr Gough said: 'We know pressure was applied to them to come back.
'Shahid Khan virtually ran home. Three of the four came back almost immediately, while the fourth stayed with his family in Pakistan.
'We know that they did reach a training camp.
'But it is a success story in that the families did bring those people back and it shows the vast majority of the community abhor terrorism in the same way we do.'
Community engagement - under what the police call the Prevent programme - is supposed to form a cornerstone of the UK counter-terrorism policing strategy.
Prevent aims to respond 'to the ideological challenge of terrorism' by 'developing partnerships' with communities, thereby preventing people being 'drawn into terrorism'.
Assistant Chief Constable Marcus Beale, who is responsible for counter-terrorism at West Midlands Police, said: 'The families were trying to do their best to get them back and stop them getting into trouble, rather than get in touch with us.
'I agree it would have been really good if more could have been shared with us, and we could have dealt with it in a different way.
'In terms of community engagement, would I like them to come forward more? Yes, I would.
'Do I think they (the Muslim community) were being disruptive - no, I do not.'
Mr Beale also said he believed the two local charitable organisations on whose behalf the three men had masqueraded to raise money "were duped, rather than being complicit'.
He added: 'We want to help make sure they (the charities) are not quite so easily duped in the future.'
Some of that money scammed from charities was actually gambled away by another member of the group, Rahin Ahmed, who was given the task of playing the financial markets to try to increase the group's cash reserves.
He previously admitted engaging in conduct in preparation of acts of terror, encouraging acts of terror, collecting money for terrorism and assisting other to travel for training in terrorism.
On one occasion, Ahmed - an unemployed law graduate who was a community worker with one of the charities - lost £3,000 when he left his computer screen for five minutes to boil a kettle.
He tried to recover some of his losses, but in total lost £9,000 of the £14,500 invested.
There was talk in the group of acquiring a shop, as a front for a bomb factory at the back of the premises, but Ahmed lost too much money and the idea had to be dropped.
Mr Beale said the police do not know how much money the group collected.
CHARITY ‘VICTIM’ OF TERROR FRAUD
The charity whose name was misused by three men to raise money for terrorism insisted today that it has improved the security of its street collections.
Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, all from Birmingham, were part of a group which collected £13,500 that was supposed to be for Muslim Aid.
However only around £1,500 of the cash actually went to the charity, while the rest was intended for the group to fund terrorist atrocities.
Today Muslim Aid said: 'We welcome the conviction and sentencing of the individuals who were not Muslim Aid volunteers but used our name and property to collect funds illegally for their intended criminal activity.
'We would like to reassure the public that we have taken steps to improve the security of our street collections and branded property. We encourage our donors to check the credentials of collectors when they are approached for donations.'
The charity uses funds to support anti-poverty projects around the world, including supporting elderly people and the homeless in the UK.
Is het crisis in terroristenland? Sinds wanneer krijgen dit soort leipo's niet meer pakken met geld uit dubieuze oliestaatjes?
Het gaat slecht met de economie in Europa en de VS dus de mensen moeten weer afgeleid worden van de problemen. Het is heel makkelijk voor de overheid zoiets in scene te zetten.
Maar goed dat de geheime dienst deze aanslag verijdeld heeft 
. Paar weken geleden is er ook nog een grote aanslag in Duitsland verijdeld. Duitsland doet toch niet mee met oorlogje spelen, dus ik snap niet waarom moslimextremisten het ook op Duitsland hebben gemunt...?
. Paar weken geleden is er ook nog een grote aanslag in Duitsland verijdeld. Duitsland doet toch niet mee met oorlogje spelen, dus ik snap niet waarom moslimextremisten het ook op Duitsland hebben gemunt...?
Want iedereen is nu spontaan alles rond de economie vergeten en zet het op een inkopen. Er zijn immers terroristen in Engeland, dus we vergeten dat shit geld kost.quote:Op zaterdag 23 februari 2013 01:25 schreef polderturk het volgende:
Het gaat slecht met de economie in Europa en de VS dus de mensen moeten weer afgeleid worden van de problemen. Het is heel makkelijk voor de overheid zoiets in scene te zetten.
Conscience do cost.
Al met al een groepje die zich beter The Three Stooges hadden kunnen noemen dan The Four Lions.quote:The bomb plotters had the means, the will and the know-how to carry out mass murder in the biggest terror attack on the British mainland
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outlining his plan as: 'Boom, boom, boom everywhere...kill.'
[...]
'Naseer had told Ali to burn the note but it wasn't done properly,
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they never got as far as creating a bomb
[…]
the bugged recordings painted a picture of incompetence
[…]
they decided to make a bomb out of a cold pack used for sports injuries, believing it contained ammonium nitrate.
[…]
there was no ammonium nitrate in the pack they brought.
[…]
Ali managed to spill chemicals on his hands, saying 'I've done my fingers man, is it dangerous if you get it on your fingers? It's like acid, innit?
[…]
the men attempt to destroy their paperwork. But, said Mr Altman, they 'did not make a very good job of it'
[…]
Ahmed - an unemployed law graduate who was a community worker with one of the charities - lost £3,000 when he left his computer screen for five minutes to boil a kettle.
He tried to recover some of his losses, but in total lost £9,000 of the £14,500 invested.
Wat een enorm staaltje incompetentie.
Aan de andere kant is dit zo ongeveer net zo effectief als het daadwerkelijk tot ontploffing brengen en doden veroorzaken. Effectiever eigenlijk, er is nog steeds een noodzaak voor dure operaties en ingrijpende wetgeving terwijl er geen publieke backlash is door slachtoffers, er is dus geen draagvlak voor harder ingrijpen en de opdrachtgevers vanuit verweggistan kunnen dus lekker achterover leunen.
Op woensdag 24 sept. 2008 schreef Danny het volgende:
Dagonet doet onaardig tegen iedereen. Je bent dus helemaal niet zo bijzonder als je denkt...
Mijn grootste bijdrage aan de FP.
Dagonet doet onaardig tegen iedereen. Je bent dus helemaal niet zo bijzonder als je denkt...
Mijn grootste bijdrage aan de FP.
Een rijkelijke fantasie hou jij er op na, wie heeft je dit verteld? De lokale imam?quote:
Het gaat slecht met de economie in Europa en de VS dus de mensen moeten weer afgeleid worden van de problemen. Het is heel makkelijk voor de overheid zoiets in scene te zetten.
Wat een vreselijke ranzige gasten zijn het toch ook. Maar goed, probleem weer opgelost, met een betonblok rond de enkels van de Dover cliffs afkankeren.
Maar goed, probleem weer opgelost, met een betonblok rond de enkels van de Dover cliffs afkankeren.
Radical islam is the snake in the grass.
Moderate islam is the grass that hides the snake.
Moderate islam is the grass that hides the snake.
Goh, moslims willen ons opblazen. En water is nat.
Baat 't niet, schaadt 't niet. Dus slikken, kreng.
En daarom werkt de multiculti samenleving niet met Moslims. Er zal altijd een klein % Moslims zijn dat alles niet-Moslim zal proberen uit te roeien volgens goed Islamitisch gebruik. Zels als 99% van de Moslims in Europa gewoon een normaal leven wil, zal die andere 1% dmv terreur, aanslagen en moordpartijen de samenleving verneuken.
Er is een reden dat overal waar Islam aan niet-Islam grenst ook wel de "Bloody borders" genoemd worden.
Er is een reden dat overal waar Islam aan niet-Islam grenst ook wel de "Bloody borders" genoemd worden.
De naiviteit straalt van je bericht. Ga maar eens op onderzoek uit naar ' Operation Northwood' en 'Gulf of Tonkin incident'. Gelukkig neemt jouw soort in aantal af. Jullie houden alleen jezelf voor gek.quote:Op zaterdag 23 februari 2013 03:21 schreef Arthur_Spooner het volgende:
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Een rijkelijke fantasie hou jij er op na, wie heeft je dit verteld? De lokale imam?
Wauw, dus op basis van twee incidenten mbt de USA uit de jaren '60 baseer jij dat dit in de UK in 2013 een false flag was. Heb je enig idee hoeveel aanslagen en aanvallen sinds de jaren 60 geen false flag waren? Of zijn aanslagen of aanvallen alleen false flag als ze door Moslims worden uitgevoerd? Boko Haram is zeker ook False Flag. En Mali natuurlijk ook. En de massamoorden op Shia Moslims in Pakistan. En de aanslagen in de hele wereld waar Islam aan niet-Islam grenst. Kom op zeg....quote:
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De naiviteit straalt van je bericht. Ga maar eens op onderzoek uit naar ' Operation Northwood' en 'Gulf of Tonkin incident'. Gelukkig neemt jouw soort in aantal af. Jullie houden alleen jezelf voor gek.
Weet je, ik denk dat de Irak oorlog ook een false flag was. Het waren eigenlijk Pakistaanse terroristen die zich voor deden als Amerikaanse militairen.
De redenen voor die oorlog waren wel een false flag.quote:
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Weet je, ik denk dat de Irak oorlog ook een false flag was. Het waren eigenlijk Pakistaanse terroristen die zich voor deden als Amerikaanse militairen.
Nee. Een incorrecte beschuldiging mbt massavernietigingswapens.quote:
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De redenen voor die oorlog waren wel een false flag.
Ik zie totaal niet in hoe hieruit blijkt dat een arrestatie in de UK in 2013 een false flag is. Zeker niet in de context van wereldwijde Islamitische terreur tegen alles niet-Moslim.
Four Lions is het kijken waard, heerlijke zwarte comediequote:Op zaterdag 23 februari 2013 02:41 schreef Dagonet het volgende:
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Al met al een groepje die zich beter The Three Stooges hadden kunnen noemen dan The Four Lions.
Wat een enorm staaltje incompetentie.
[ Bericht 92% gewijzigd door Pietverdriet op 23-02-2013 13:32:46 ]
In Baden-Badener Badeseen kann man Baden-Badener baden sehen.
Toch wel de 2 belangrijkste redenen voor de invasie waren het hebben van wmd's en links met Al-Qaeda. Allebei bleken bullshit te zijn. Dus ja, dat kun je best wel een false flag noemen.quote:
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Nee. Een incorrecte beschuldiging mbt massavernietigingswapens.
Ik zie totaal niet in hoe hieruit blijkt dat een arrestatie in de UK in 2013 een false flag is. Zeker niet in de context van wereldwijde Islamitische terreur tegen alles niet-Moslim.
Maar ik zeg verder niet dat het een false flag is. Ik zeg alleen dat er niet zo lacherig over gedaan hoeft te worden, het kan zomaar een false flag zijn. Jij zegt dat 2 incidenten uit de jaren 60 niet erg overtuigend zijn, ik wil alleen maar aangeven dat er wel meer dan 2 incidenten zijn. Leugens van overheden gebeuren aan de lopende band.
Een false flag heeft te maken met individuen laten opereren onder een andere "vlag". Dat is totaal wat anders dan verkeerde informatie mbt WMD of Al Qaida, of dat nu bewust of onbewust foutief was.quote:
Toch wel de 2 belangrijkste redenen voor de invasie waren het hebben van wmd's en links met Al-Qaeda. Allebei bleken bullshit te zijn. Dus ja, dat kun je best wel een false flag noemen.
Uiteraard. Toch denk ik dat dat hier wel erg ver gegrepen is gezien de eerdere aanslagen in London en de stortvloed aan informatie over deze figuren. Inclusief interviews met buren etc. En volgens mij hebben de meeste beschuldigingen hier uberhaubt te maken met de Amerikanen en kennelijk worden daaruit conclusies getrokken over Britse politie.quote:
Maar ik zeg verder niet dat het een false flag is. Ik zeg alleen dat er niet zo lacherig over gedaan hoeft te worden, het kan zomaar een false flag zijn. Jij zegt dat 2 incidenten uit de jaren 60 niet erg overtuigend zijn, ik wil alleen maar aangeven dat er wel meer dan 2 incidenten zijn. Leugens van overheden gebeuren aan de lopende band.
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