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  woensdag 21 november 2012 @ 17:25:40 #51
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Ahum. Na deze interessante wetenswaardigheden over tongschrapers en gebitsverzorging maar weer verder over Occupy?
Sorry. Misschien kom ik er in het gezelligheidstopic nog op terug. :D
Volg je hart, gebruik je verstand.
  zaterdag 24 november 2012 @ 14:52:59 #52
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President-Elect FREEDOM
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‎24/11/12 Students demonstration in Napoli, Italy. - "We have chosen to fight!"

THE GREAT AWAKENING ! CHANGING OF THE GUARD GLOBALLY . MSM IS FAKE NEWS
  woensdag 28 november 2012 @ 16:17:14 #53
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Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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Het grootste deel van de Amerikanen denkt dat een belastingverhoging voor de rijken (een zeer omstreden onderwerp in de VS) de beste oplossing is voor de begrotingsproblemen van het land.
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
De gevolgen van de argumenten van de anti-rook maffia
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Als ze nou even 80% op het vermogen van de Rothschilds gooien kunnen we allemaal uit eten.
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Als ze nou even 80% op het vermogen van de Rothschilds gooien kunnen we allemaal uit eten.
Als die zogenaamde 1% rijkerds geven 1% van hun rijkdom weg....hoeveel zou dat opleveren?
At least it would spare us from Live Aid,Comic Relief, Children in Need enz. :)
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  woensdag 28 november 2012 @ 18:39:06 #56
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Rolling Jubilee

*O* Bijna een half miljoen. *O*
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
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7s.gif Op woensdag 28 november 2012 18:39 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:
Rolling Jubilee

*O* Bijna een half miljoen. *O*
Met dit tempo gaat het nog wel even duren. De oprichter kan dat geld beter in zijn eigen zak steken.
  woensdag 28 november 2012 @ 18:49:09 #58
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Met dit tempo gaat het nog wel even duren. De oprichter kan dat geld beter in zijn eigen zak steken.
Dat zou oneerlijk zijn :N
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
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Dat zou oneerlijk zijn :N
Maar niet ondenkbaar om vervolgens een lange neus te trekken naar de 'weldoeners' .
  vrijdag 30 november 2012 @ 18:43:01 #60
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Maar niet ondenkbaar om vervolgens een lange neus te trekken naar de 'weldoeners' .
Dat zou echt geniaal zijn _O-
  vrijdag 30 november 2012 @ 19:10:03 #61
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Dat zou echt geniaal zijn _O-
Niks geniaals aan. Standaard scam van Negeriaanse internet-cowboys, politici en bankiers.
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
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  zaterdag 1 december 2012 @ 15:41:07 #62
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Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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Een meerderheid in de Tweede Kamer van in elk geval SP, PVV, PvdA en D66 is flink geschrokken van de uitgelekte conceptversie van het rapport over de Amarantis-scholengemeenschap. Uit dat concept, waar de Volkskrant zaterdag over berichtte, blijkt onder meer dat bestuurders zich schuldig hebben gemaakt aan zelfverrijking en belangenverstrengeling.
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Beertema (PVV) ziet 'regelrechte fraude' als het klopt dat een bestuurder van Amarantis zijn huis in het oosten van Nederland 'op kosten van de zaak' heeft laten opknappen. Hij vreest dat de omvang van de onderwijsmolochen een 'bepaald soort bestuurder' aantrekt. 'Mensen die onderwijs maar een saaie bijzaak vinden. Het gaat hen om marktaandeel, om elkaar vliegen afvangen, om grootschaligheid.'
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[b]Op dinsdag 6 januari 2009 19:59 schreef Papierversnipperaar het volgende:[/b]
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Van onderwijsgeld nog wel, wtf. :N
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Het is ook gewoon schaamteloos wat ze flikken :o
  zaterdag 1 december 2012 @ 18:07:41 #65
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Apodictisch.
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Lijkt wel een beetje op de gang van zaken in woningcorporaties; bestuurders die volledig de doelstelling en oorsprong van de organisatie waar ze leiding aan geven uit het oog verliezen en het als een eigen speeltje gaan beschouwen waar ze wel even wat hitsige markt/MBA-principes op kunnen toepassen.
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Lijkt wel een beetje op de gang van zaken in woningcorporaties; bestuurders die volledig de doelstelling en oorsprong van de organisatie waar ze leiding aan geven uit het oog verliezen en het als een eigen speeltje gaan beschouwen waar ze wel even wat hitsige markt/MBA-principes op kunnen toepassen.
In de zorg schijnt hetzelfde gaande te zijn.
  zondag 2 december 2012 @ 13:29:36 #67
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"What?" I ask. "Why, is somebody going to be mean to me or something?"

She smiles. "Oh, yeah." This town somewhere west of the Mississippi is not big; everyone knows someone or is someone who's worked for Amalgamated. "But look at it from their perspective. They need you to work as fast as possible to push out as much as they can as fast as they can. So they're gonna give you goals, and then you know what? If you make those goals, they're gonna increase the goals. But they'll be yelling at you all the time. It's like the military. They have to break you down so they can turn you into what they want you to be. So they're going to tell you, 'You're not good enough, you're not good enough, you're not good enough,' to make you work harder. Don't say, 'This is the best I can do.' Say, 'I'll try,' even if you know you can't do it. Because if you say, 'This is the best I can do,' they'll let you go. They hire and fire constantly, every day. You'll see people dropping all around you. But don't take it personally and break down or start crying when they yell at you."
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  zondag 2 december 2012 @ 23:31:43 #68
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Afgelopen week werd bekend dat Starbucks, zonder een wet te breken, de afgelopen jaren nauwelijks belastingen in Groot-Brittannië heeft betaald. Dat was mogelijk door verscheidene belastingconstructies. Ook een onderneming als Google draagt in Europa nauwelijks belasting af.

Vorige maand bleek dat Nederland een belangrijke schakel is in een fiscaal trapezewerk van internationale bedrijven. De multinationals deponeren hun merkrechten in Nederland, waardoor andere landen belastinginkomsten mislopen. Een Britse overheidscommissie publiceert komende week een rapport over de belastingontduiking door grote bedrijven.
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By the people, not for the people.
  maandag 3 december 2012 @ 10:18:37 #70
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David Graeber Debt: the first 5,000 years

David Graebers book ‘Debt: the First 5,000 Years’ seeks to destroy or rather to deconstruct many common sense assumptions based on the myths of traditional economic thought including:

- Where money comes from
- How money functions
- The role of debt
- The scientific impartiality of economics
- Human nature

Taking an anthropological, historical perspective, Graeber looks to understand how money and debt have actually functioned in real societies.

Graeber seeks to fill in the missing gaps in economic history and to make visible that which has been rendered invisible – e.g. the subjugation of women, the prominence of slavery and the violence of empire, and to explain why these exist and how they link with money and debt.

His first departure is to treat debt (and money) as fundamentally moral concepts – they are not one thing, what form they take is dependent on specific political constructs and to treat money and debt as pure, natural occurrences (as traditional economics does) obscures power, violence and injustice.

The crucial factor…is moneys capacity to turn morality into a matter of impersonal arithmetic, and by doing so, to justify things which would otherwise seem outrageous or obscene (p14)

He then goes on to attack “the great founding myth of the discipline of economics” (p25). In short, Adam Smith imagines a society a lot like our own but with money absent > in the market barter was difficult when you were trying to swap a sheep for a cow or a haircut or whatever > so we invented money > as precious metals were easier, we used them > then governments get involved to make sure the money is all the same size & weight (this is their only legitimate role).

Graeber points out that this view (otherwise known as the barter origin of money) “is so deeply established in common sense…that most people on earth couldn’t imagine any other way that money possibly could have came about” (p28). However, there is NO evidence for the orthodox explanation. Quoting Caroline Humprey:

no example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money; all available ethnography suggests there has never been such a thing (p29)

So, what is Graebers alternative theory of money? It is both barter between foreigners (not within local marketplaces as in the barter myth) and a system of trust. In history, he argues, it is money that actually brings markets into being, not the other way around. Markets were created by governments to provision their troops in war.

(The Government pays their soldiers in a coin (for example), then demands that the people have to pay taxes in that coin. In order to get their hands on the coin, the people have to find a way to give the soldiers whatever they need to make sure they get the coin, can pay their taxes and therefore not be punished by the government.)

This is where Graeber gets into the main thrust of his arguments about money and debt (which are related and intrinsically tied together). The history of money is a history of violence. The economic systems that we have are primarily created as a means to wage war and violence, that our major institutions are based on the logic of the slave trade.

However Graeber believes that the dominant economic market system has purposefully obscured the two other ways that we organise our daily lives, communism, i.e. from each according to our abilities to each according to our needs (this is really how we organise ourselves with our family, friends and community), and hierarchy where superiority and inferiority become custom (royalty, caste systems, etc). These systems co-exist with ‘exchange’ (self-interested, ‘rational’ bartering) in our everyday lives but we are not solely defined by purely self-interested exchange.

What Graeber is really asking throughout the book is “how did the logic of the rational self-interested individual become the dominant way that we see ourselves and that capitalism the only possible way that we can organise our economic life so we can see there is no alternative?” In other words, how did we move from societies where is was held sacred that human life cannot be exchanged for anything else, to societies where human beings can not only be quantified and valued, but even bought and sold?

Money was first used in what Graeber calls ‘human economies’ using ‘social currencies’ (primitive money, cowrie shells, etc) these were not used to buy ‘goods and services’ but to arrange human relationships, e.g. births, marriages, funerals and blood feuds. Key to these systems was that life cannot be paid for with objects – you cannot quantify the value of a human life with all his or her relations with other people, therefore you cannot exchange a human life with anything else.

What is interesting to Graeber is what happens when these human economies meet commercial market economies “the gears and mechanisms designed for the creation of human beings collapsed on themselves and became the means for their destruction” (p158). Thus it is only possible to turn a human being into an object of exchange by:

ripping her from her context; …from the web of relations…and thus into a generic value capable of being added and subtracted and used as a means to measure debt. (p158)

This requires violence (in war, captive enemies became slaves). Just because the violence is not necessarily as overt, it doesn’t mean that it does not still play a key structural role today. The strategy which is used, which is as old as civilisation, used by fascists, mafias and right-wing gangsters everywhere:

Unleash the criminal violence of an unlimited market, in which everything is for sale and the prove of life becomes extremely cheap; then step in, offering to restore a certain measure of order – though one which in its very harshness leaves all the most profitable aspects of the earlier chaos intact. The violence is preserved within the structure of the law. Such mafias too, almost invariably end up enforcing a strict code of honour in which morality becomes above all a matter of paying ones debts (p163)

Slavery is only the logical end point, the extreme example “if we are a debt society, it is only because the legacy of war, conquest, and slavery has never completely gone away” (p164).

Although Graeber just shies away from out rightly calling all modern day relations slavery, he does point out that even our Western societies are arranged by debt-peonage, student debts for example rule at least half of our working life and it is still a common practice in the East and in third world countries.

The secret scandal of capitalism is that at no point has it been organised around free labour (p350)

This goes against our commonly held assumptions that capitalism has something to do with freedom, but actually it has been “built with millions of serfs, slaves and coolies”. Traditional economics try to pass these problems off with a ‘glitch’ and that todays human trafficked and debt-bondaged child labour, are somehow a ‘stage’ that third world countries have to go through. Graeber tries to show, and I think is successful that this is an inherent part of the system.

Our vision of capitalism is UTOPIAN, because we disregard the violence it has taken to build and maintain the system, to change our very concepts and understanding of humanity and the purpose of a good and happy life.

Even our language is tied to debt, and the violent history of it – bondage is literally the ropes and chains that bound debtors, and our concept of liberty which started as literally meaning to not be a slave and able to have relations with others (free – German root of friend), was changes around the 2nd Century AD by roman jurists to become essentially the same as private property (which was itself defined in relation to slavery) as the freedom to do what you want.

Our freedom is defined as a right, which we own, as opposed to Graebers view that rights are actually obligations on others (e.g. our right to free speech is actually others obligations to allow my free speech). Rights have been defined in this way to justify debt-peonage or even slavery – if we own our rights, like property, then we are free to give them away or even sell them (p206).

Graeber fundamentally disagrees with the logic of economic thought that humans are inherently self-interested, selfish, rational individuals. Orthodox economics states that as human nature is like this, we have built systems which reflect greed and individualism. Graeber’s opens up space to think that it could actually be the other way around, we have created structures which turns human nature into greed and individualism.

It is a structure designed to eliminate all moral imperatives but profit (p320)

What is clear from Graeber’s work is that it gives us an entirely new lens to see contemporary problems through and challenges us to ask ‘how much has really changed?’ It brings to mind that fact that once-colonial states are largely stuck in the same patterns of production that they were in colonial days. Slavery by any other name. Graeber is clear about the role of international institutions under US patronage and US military might as the main things keeping the world monetary system (in dollars) together.

Our violence has been institutionalised in the pattern that Graeber described, which has to some extent hidden or justified it, which could be illustrated in the majority of people (outside of academic & development fields) really knowing what the IMF or World Bank is or does. Also, Guantanamo bay, they were only able to do that to another human being because they were ripped from their contexts and placed in orange suits – they were no longer people, but terrorists.

For my work, the overall context that Graeber sets the whole capitalist system in is important as a contrast to the dominant economic paradigm. Taking a historical view on a system which is so short-termist certainly yields insights, and making explicit previously hidden assumptions thought to be natural and common sense is crucial in understanding the true nature of the debates.

Specifically his work talks a great deal about the debates on usury and the morality and practicality of charging interest – this seems to have been a dominant political problem in history within the states that allow it. Graeber alludes to the majority of social unrest being due to debt and movements calling for the cancelling of debts, the freeing of debt peons and the reallocation of lands, have brought down or threatened to bring down governments. (Did you know that the famous Rosetta stone is actually announcing a large scale debt jubilee in Egypt?!)

What is equally interesting is his coverage of the rise of Islamic finance, which was the first free-market ideology that our current system is based on, except the moral and social framework is different. In the Islamic system, the market was totally free from the state, trust and honour were principal and usury was completely banned. Today the market is enforced by the state, violence is accessible to back up creditors rather than protect debtors, and usury is rampant.

Graebers explanation of the origins of banking as based on government debt is clearly relevant today with the focus on deficit reduction, and this will obviously be something I will be exploring further in my reading.

I can’t recommend this book more if you are interested in money, politics, war, terrorism, social movements, feminism, history, anthropology, ethnography, or if you are just generally interested.
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  maandag 3 december 2012 @ 22:57:32 #71
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Cafeïne is ook maar een drug.
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Oh, te vroeg gejuicht :')

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Starbucks to slash paid lunch breaks and sick leave

Coffee chain sparks fresh concern over business practices amid fears low-paid staff will bear cost of potentially increased tax bill
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Starbucks is cutting paid lunch breaks, sick leave and maternity benefits for thousands of British workers, sparking fresh anger over its business practices.

On the day the House of Commons' public accounts committee branded the US coffee chain's tax avoidance practices "immoral", baristas arriving for work were told to sign revised employment terms, which include the removal of paid 30-minute lunch breaks and paid sick leave for the first day of illness. Some will also see pay increases frozen.

The changes affecting about 7,000 coffee shop staff emerged as the company tried to quell public and political outrage at its use of secretive company structures that has seen it pay just £8.6m in UK tax over the past 13 years on sales of £3.1bn.
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  maandag 3 december 2012 @ 23:50:47 #72
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Haha, hoe brutaal kun je zijn. De Britse overheid zou deze mazen in de wet zo snel mogelijk moeten dichten (eigenlijk zou dat op Europees niveau geregeld moeten worden imo), maar het is nu ook aan de consument om Starbucks en andere delinquenten (Google, Amazon) te mijden.
  dinsdag 4 december 2012 @ 14:09:23 #73
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Haha, hoe brutaal kun je zijn. De Britse overheid zou deze mazen in de wet zo snel mogelijk moeten dichten (eigenlijk zou dat op Europees niveau geregeld moeten worden imo), maar het is nu ook aan de consument om Starbucks en andere delinquenten (Google, Amazon) te mijden.
Waarom... dat die bedrijven in NL zitten is goed voor NL. Dat het kut is voor andere landen boeit me niet.

Waarom zouden consumenten starbucks links moeten laten liggen omdat ze in Engeland geen belasting betalen?
Wat is het voordeel van de consument?>
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Waarom... dat die bedrijven in NL zitten is goed voor NL. Dat het kut is voor andere landen boeit me niet.

Waarom zouden consumenten starbucks links moeten laten liggen omdat ze in Engeland geen belasting betalen?
Wat is het voordeel van de consument?>
Consumenten zijn ook burgers. Meer belastingbijdrage aan een land zou positief moeten zijn voor diens burgers.
  dinsdag 4 december 2012 @ 19:05:43 #75
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Waarom... dat die bedrijven in NL zitten is goed voor NL. Dat het kut is voor andere landen boeit me niet.
Ik zit niet te wachten op een belastingrace naar de bodem.
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Waarom zouden consumenten starbucks links moeten laten liggen omdat ze in Engeland geen belasting betalen?
Wat is het voordeel van de consument?>
Het voordeel van de Britse consument is dat een groter aandeel van het bedrag dat hij voor een kop koffie neerlegt terug vloeit naar de Britse burger ipv naar het buitenland gesluisd wordt.
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