http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/(...)ilities-in-benghazi/quote:BUITENLAND Zeker vier mensen zijn om het leven gekomen nadat agenten en demonstranten gisteravond bases van milities in de Libische stad Benghazi hadden bestormd. Het ging onder meer om een basis van de fundamentalistische groep Ansar Al-Sharia, die verdacht wordt van de aanslag op de Amerikaanse ambassadeur Christopher Stevens.
Het geweld rond de basis van Ansar Al-Sharia kwam gisteravond nadat in Benghazi de hele dag al tienduizenden mensen gedemonstreerd hadden voor het ontmantelen van de vele gewapende milities die de orde en veiligheid in het land bedreigen. Gisteravond laat verzamelden zich een grote mensenmassa rondom het hoofdkwartier van de moslimfundamentalisten Ansar Al-Sharia, die zich de woede van veel Libiërs op de hals hebben gehaald vanwege de aanval vorige week op het Amerikaanse consulaat in Benghazi.
Aanhangers van Ansar Al-Sharia probeerden het hoofdkwartier te beschermen door in de lucht te schieten, maar moesten op de vlucht slaan toen de mensenmassa rond het hoofdkwartier steeds groter en vijandiger werd. De moslimextremisten en betogers wisselden regelmatig vuur uit, maar bij het hoofdkwartier van een andere militie liep het echt uit de hand: daar werden drie mensen doodgeschoten en raakten minstens twintig mensen gewond.
quote:Ansar Al-Sharia was verantwoordelijk voor de aanval op het Amerikaanse consulaat waarbij vorige week de Amerikaanse ambassadeur Stevens werd gedood, tot ontsteltenis van veel Libiërs. De daad van Ansar Al-Sharia, gepleegd wegens de Amerikaanse anti-islamfilm Onschuld van moslims, leidde tot een golf van anti-westerse protesten in de islamitische wereld. Gisteren kwamen bij anti-Amerikaanse rellen in Pakistan nog negentien mensen om het leven.
Mooi dit.Voorspelbaar dat je het op deze boeg wil gooien.quote:Op zaterdag 22 september 2012 11:59 schreef bijdehand het volgende:
Ze weten elkaar wel te vinden daar
Het is ook nooit goed immers.
Het was goed, het werd kut en nu wordt het nog kutter. Ik hou van de wereld.quote:Op zaterdag 22 september 2012 12:02 schreef De_Guidance het volgende:
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Voorspelbaar dat je het op deze boeg wil gooien.
Het is ook nooit goed immers.
Heb meer hoop voor Libië dan voor Egypte.quote:
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Het was goed, het werd kut en nu wordt het nog kutter. Ik hou van de wereld.
Is volgens mij ongekend dat moslims om liberale redenen afrekenen met extremistische moslims.
Extremisten schromen niet om grof geweld te gebruiken en ik denk ook dat dat een van de redenen is waarom 'gewone' mensen er weinig tegen durven te doen.
Maar nu ze eenmaal massaal in opstand komen tegen het geweld is dat een prima zaak
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Hoax, moslims zijn een homogene, eensgezinde groep die als één geheel fungeren.
Het zou ook bizar zijn als dat niet zou gebeuren. Ze hebben zichelf zojuist bevrijdt van een dictator die jarenlang het land heeft leeggezogen, als ze hier niet tegen optreden, zouden ze eigenlijk gewoon buigen voor een nieuwe vorm van dictatuur.quote:Op zaterdag 22 september 2012 11:41 schreef EdvandeBerg het volgende:
Wel goed dat de bevolking zich verzet tegen die haatbaarden. Ben je net verlost van de ene onderdrukker, probeert de volgende alweer het volk haar wil op te leggen
“After what happened at the American consulate, the people of Benghazi had enough of the extremists,” demonstrator Hassan Ahmed said. “They did not give allegiance to the army. So the people broke in and they fled.”
U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens was well liked, and many Libyans condemned the attack on the consulate despite being angered by the anti-Islamic U.S.-made film that triggered it.
Some protesters placards read: We demand justice for Stevens and Libya lost a friend. Others had mixed views.
I am out today to defend Benghazi. Killing the ambassador is a completely separate thing, said 26-year-old Amjad Mohammed Hassan, a network engineer. I dont give a damn about the killing of the ambassador because the Americans offended the Prophet. I am just here for Benghazi.
Benghazi, 1,000 km (600 miles) from Tripoli across largely empty desert, is controlled by various armed groups, including some comprised of Islamists who openly proclaim their hostility to democratic government and the West.
Some are identified by local people as being among those who were at the consulate protest last week. U.S. officials have described the violence as a terrorist attack.
Abu Al-Qaa, a demonstrator at the Ansar al-Sharia demonstration, said Stevens had been preparing for the entry of American troops into Libya.
The will of the Prophet was to expel infidels from Muslim lands so that Muslims prevail. Terrorising your enemy is one of Islams tenets. He said he had fought U.S. troops in Iraq where he was arrested, sent back to Libya and jailed for three years.
One banner at the Ansar al-Sharia demonstration read: Day to rescue Benghazi or day to rescue America?
Reuters
http://www.yalibnan.com/2(...)t-of-benghazi-bases/
Het blijft toch opmerkelijk.
Het is natuurlijk beter je ogen te sluiten voor dit bericht zodat je in de toekomst kunt blijven roepen dat 'ze helemaal niks ondernemen tegen de extremisten'quote:
Voorspelbaar populair, dit topic.
Of het komt omdat het zaterdagmiddag is en het lekker weer is.quote:
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Het is natuurlijk beter je ogen te sluiten voor dit bericht zodat je in de toekomst kunt blijven roepen dat 'ze helemaal niks ondernemen tegen de extremisten'
Ja vast.quote:
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Of het komt omdat het zaterdagmiddag is en het lekker weer is.
Het is ten eerste niet bekend of het deze Ansar al-Sharia was, hoewel niet onwaarschijnlijk, en ten tweede wijst alles erop dat dit een van tevoren geplande, noem het terroristische aanval was, die op 11 september uitgevoerd moest worden.quote:
Je wil natuurlijk graag denken dat mensen hier niet reageren omdat ze niet willen reageren op 'positief' moslimsnieuws. Dat mag. Vind het wel een beetje sneu aangezien dat niet zeker is.quote:
Op Als je het artikel lees wat ik hier heb gepost mag je je dus afvragen of dit een actie was tegen extremisme of gewoon een nieuwe machtsstrijd.quote:
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Het is natuurlijk beter je ogen te sluiten voor dit bericht zodat je in de toekomst kunt blijven roepen dat 'ze helemaal niks ondernemen tegen de extremisten'
Zegt het kind in de 14e post.quote:
Voorspelbaar populair, dit topic.
Dat is niet dom, moet worden gezegd, niet iedereen is goed geinformeerd zelfs niet in Nederland.quote:
Nogal logisch dat het een machtsstrijd is. Sorry, dat is gewoon de domste opmerking ever.
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quote:Unarmed people power drums Libya's jihadists out of Benghazi
These were the incredible scenes in Benghazi as tens of thousands of ordinary citizens marched on the Islamic extremists in their compounds and drove them out with shouts, placards and sheer courage
As fires blazed and protestors danced in the ruined compound of a vanquished jihadist militia, I watched as the citizens of the Libyan city of Benghazi staged a dramatic display of raw people power.Numbed by the murder of an American ambassador in their city, furious with jihadist militias lording it over them and frustrated by a government too chaotic and intimidated to react, ordinary Benghazians took matters into their own hands.
Elsewhere in the world jihadists staged fiery attacks on foreign targets. In Libya they were sent running by people power. A rally called to Rescue Benghazi on Friday night became the launch pad for a spontaneous retaking of the streets, and more – a retaking of the soul that saw this city become the cradle of last year's Arab Spring revolution.
Ansar Al Sharia militia, blamed by many for the killing of ambassador Chris Stevens and three of his diplomats had last week, deployed anti-aircraft guns around their Benghazi compound, fearing attack from drones and US warships. But the attack, when it came, was from a very different direction. Civilian. Unarmed. And with nothing more than the desperation of a population staring anarchy in the face.
For the people of Benghazi, the killing of Stevens was the final outrage in a campaign of extremist violence that have seen other consulates firebombed, the convoy of Britain's ambassador rocketed, commonwealth war graves vandalised and 14 officials assassinated. As foreign missions fled and businessmen cleared out, Benghazi has found itself cast as Libya's Dodge City. And in the absence of a sheriff to impose order, they staged their own spontaneous cleansing.
The rally on Friday was peaceful: crowds of men, women and children marched on central Benghazi, with balloons, flags and placards, many calling for justice for the killers of Stevens. "We are Islam, we are not extremists!" they chanted.
Ever since the 11 September attack on the US compound that left Stevens and three fellow diplomats dead, Benghazians have been incredulous at the inability of government to act. No serious investigation has been launched for his killers, the government cowed by the power of jihadist militias.
But support for the protest was everywhere. The defence minister refused to give his support, but air force pilots made their feelings known: an attack helicopter circled Friday's protest to protect it and a pilot made low thundering passes over the crowd to remind them of the revolutionary slogan: 'The army is with the people.'
When night fell, the dam broke. The women and children of the rally were escorted home and the crowd surged towards militia bases. First to go was the Abu Salem Shahouda militia base, behind the seafront Tibesti hotel, and blamed by locals for thuggery and intimidation. A crowd of hundreds of young men, some teenagers, smashed through the gates and into the compound.
I was propelled in with them, as the frightened militiamen were manhandled out of the gates. Minutes later three jeeps loaded with red capped military police screeched into the compound, weapons ready, unsure what they would find. The protestors embraced them. "It's like in the revolution," said colonel Ben Eisa, taking command of the abandoned Abu Salem Shahouda base. "We are taking orders from the people." It was as easy as that. Months of militia violence ended by a show of unarmed force.
Then came Ansar Al Sharia: a 300-strong force blamed by Libya's head of state Mohammed Magariaf for involvement in Stevens's death. As the demonstrators approached, the militiamen flooded out of their compound and fired volleys of machine gun fire into the air. The crowd, bursting with the frustration of months of humiliation, simply kept coming. The militia, who had vowed to fight American air power, fled before people power.
Compound buildings were torched, cars set ablaze and looting of everything not nailed down began as, belatedly, red-capped military police arrived. "We are in control of this place," said colonel Saleh Yemeni, sporting a red beret and the silver wings of the parachute regiment, as a flaming car burned behind him. "We are with the people."
A well-built man, Ehad El Farsi, stopped me to ask if I was American and to apologise on behalf of Benghazi for the killing of Stevens. Told I was English, he explained he was a politics professor at Benghazi university and wanted to talk to me about the merits of singer Chris Rea. "What you have here is the people taking action," he said. "All the people."
TV pictures may give the impression of mob rule. Being there felt it felt more like a cup final crowd toasting victory. Then the cry went up to march on Hwari, the sprawling base of another militia, Raffala Al Sahati, to which Ansar Al Sharia men were believed to have fled. El Farsi found his car, a BMW, and roared off south.
Protestors crammed into cars, hooting horns and waving Libyan tricolours as an impromptu convoy surged south of the city. But this time the response was different. The first protestors who marched on the gates were met by a hail of machine gun fire, triggering pandemonium. Cars bringing fresh protestors ran into the traffic jam of abandoned vehicles and civilian cars trying to ferry the wounded to hospital. Pickup trucks with anti-aircraft guns manned by military police sat, their crews unsure if they should return fire.
Amid a cacophany of car horns, shouts and the rattle of machine gun fire, red tracer slashed the night sky and protestors dashed for cover. "The were shooting at the people – the crowd were all running away," said Mohammed El Gadari, an aviation student who had gone there to search for his younger cousin.
Abandoning my vehicle and trying to get to the battle by foot through the chaos of traffic and angry protestors, a huge, bearded man in white robe grabbed me, yelling in my ear and violently pushing me backwards. He spoke no English, and I was separated from my translator. When he caught up with us, the man explained he was not attacking me but defending me: "You must go away, it is not safe," he said. "We have to protect our foreigners."
As protestor numbers grew and fire was returned, the base garrison fled, abandoning vehicles, guns and huge quantities of ammunition which the crowd looted. City hospitals were meanwhile forced to deal with carnage not seen since last year's war: surgeons were summoned from their beds, blood donors requested. By dawn the toll stood at 11 dead and 19 injured.
The wounded included Abu Baker Feraz, who had his leg smashed by a panicking militiaman escaping in a jeep. "It was an Ansar Al Sharia guy. I know his face. I have seven brothers – we want to find this man." As he was wheeled away to be operated on at Benghazi Medical Centre, his hand snaked out from the blue shawl that covered him. "I want to say something," he said. "Ansar Al Sharia, they have somebody from Afghanistan, somebody from Tunisia, somebody from Libya. Islam is not in Ansar Al Sharia."
It is a refrain you hear across Benghazi: Libya is a conservative Muslim country, and perhaps for this reason jihadists are distrusted for wanting to tell Libyans how to interpret their faith. Cynics say jihadists were wrongfooted by the revolution, won by the ordinary people and NATO, then by July elections that were won by a pro-business coalition, and are staking all on taking power – and Libya's oil wealth – by force.
The desperate hope here is that the outside world that gave Libya such support in its revolution does not turn away. "How can you have business if you can't guarantee security?" said Hana El Galal, a prominent civil rights activist in the city. "Everybody now is rallying against organised extremism."
For now, the city is calm. Whether it stays that way is anyone's guess: the political vacuum at the heart of Libya's government remains, and the Islamists have powerful political allies.
Some in Benghazi worry that the streets are now protected by the same police and army commanders who made their careers in Muammar Gaddafi's security forces. Ansar Al Sharia is still around, somewhere, but its leaders are perhaps mindful that, as they showed last year against the Gaddafi regime, Libyan people power should not be underestimated.