[centraal topic] Israël/Palestina discussie # 17

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 16:56 schreef Ultrawuft het volgende:
de joden zijn verdreven uit hun land, staat beide in de bijbel en de torah volgens mij.

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[Dit bericht is gewijzigd door nikk op 27-06-2002 17:38]

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joods rijk.

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 17:21 schreef RaVeDaVe het volgende:
al iemand daar over horen roepen dan?
Dat beetje wat ze hadden is meerdere malen van ze afgepakt..
dus ik vindt het ook niet erg gek dat ze dit nu niet meer toelaten...

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 15:08 schreef RaVeDaVe het volgende:

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Er is genoeg "wetenschappelijk" bewijs dat er 2000 jaar geleden al joden in dat gebied woonden... Wil niet lullig doen, maar toen had nog niemand van Mohammed gehoord...

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 17:34 schreef schatje het volgende:

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Kom maar op dan met dat wetenschappelijk bewijs!!
Onafhankelijke bronnen graag voordat je hier zomaar iets blaat.
Hetzelfde wordt namelijk negen van de tien keer ook verlangd van de pro Palestijnse posters.Ik heb even gekeken in de oude topics.
Dus dan kan ik het toch niet laten om de bal terug te kaatsen.

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Backing the U.S. call, Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Thursday that Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat should book himself a place in history and stand down.

Berlusconi, who has forged close ties with the Arab world since taking office last year, told reporters the international community was ready to help Palestinians as long as they set up a transparent democracy.

"Many people are convinced that Arafat, a winner of the Nobel peace prize, should make a generous gesture and move aside," Berlusconi said on the final morning of a two day meeting of major power leaders.

"If I were President Arafat I would make a grand gesture that would enable him to go down forever in history as the man who gave everything for the freedom of his country," he said.

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 22:36 schreef machteld het volgende:
NOG MEER GOED NIEUWS:

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ARAFAT STELT ZICH HERKIESBAAR.

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 23:04 schreef Chadi het volgende:

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Nog beter nieuws

ARAFAT STELT ZICH HERKIESBAAR.

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 23:13 schreef BansheeBoy het volgende:

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Gelukkig maar, hij heeft mijn hart veroverd en ook die van miljoenen mensen around thew world

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 23:04 schreef Chadi het volgende:

Nog beter nieuws

ARAFAT STELT ZICH HERKIESBAAR.

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Another of the report’s disclosures refers to the serious decline in Arafat’s health in recent months. He is said to suffer from prostate cancer requiring surgery, as well as threatened by cerebral edema. Aware that he needs hospital care, the Palestinian leader has not decided when or where to receive it. After the Bush speech, he dropped an earlier plan to get himself admitted to the American Mayo Clinic, fearing he would be banned from entering the US, even for medical treatment.
Arafat’s medical chart was assembled for the US intelligence report from the list of medicines Israel was asked to provide when his compound in Ramallah was under Israeli siege, and also from the taped conversations he had with his Jordanian physician, Dr. al-Kurd, during that month, when he came from Amman to examine him.

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 23:13 schreef BansheeBoy het volgende:

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Gelukkig maar, hij heeft mijn hart veroverd en ook die van miljoenen mensen around thew world

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Arafat stelt zich herkiesbaar.

Ik hoop dat iedere Palestijn op Arafat stemt.

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 23:39 schreef machteld het volgende:
Goed nieuws

Arafat stelt zich herkiesbaar.

Ik hoop dat iedere Palestijn op Arafat stemt.

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The long-simmering sexual tension between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat finally reached a breaking point Monday, culminating in a passionate kiss before a shocked delegation of Mideast negotiators.

"You always got the feeling that there was something more behind all the anger and tension," said European Union Foreign Policy Chief Javier Solana. "They wouldn't agree on anything, even though their people were dying, locked in this unending conflict. It never made sense—until now."

Continued Solana: "All that repressed passion. And neither of them would admit it to the other... or to themselves."

According to sources, midway through a 10 a.m. meeting to discuss a possible pullout of Israeli troops from several West Bank settlements, Sharon accused Arafat of secretly channeling PLO funds into Hamas and other terrorist organizations. The accusation prompted Arafat to rise from his chair and stand toe-to-toe with his Israeli counterpart. The ensuing heated exchange quickly escalated into a shouting match, which reached an unexpected crescendo when the two leaders embraced in a deep, passionate kiss.

"At first, I thought they were wrestling or something," said Anthony Zinni, U.S. envoy to the Middle East. "But then, I was like, 'Holy ****: They're kissing.'"

Following the six-second embrace, Sharon and Arafat retreated to their respective delegations. They then sheepishly smiled at one another for several minutes before declaring the meeting over.

Few Mideast negotiators expected Sharon, one of the most hard-line right-wingers in Israeli political history, and Arafat, who has made the fight for Palestinian statehood his life's cause, to leave Monday's bargaining table as friends, much less lovers. However, in retrospect, few are surprised.

"To tell you the truth, I can't say it doesn't make sense," said U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan, one of the witnesses to the historic liplock. "It's like the boy in the schoolyard who torments the girl and pulls her pigtails because he's got a big crush on her. For the longest time, Yasser and Ariel simply didn't know how to express their true feelings for each other. Now they do."

"Everyone knows that the opposite of love is apathy, not hate," Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said. "Love and hate, they are merely two sides of the same coin."

Ivanov said he first saw signs that the two leaders had "more than control of the Gaza Strip on their minds" at a 1998 Israel-PLO conference in Cairo, at which Arafat reversed decades of PLO policy and polemic by acknowledging Israel's right to exist.

"For the first time in years, they were really getting along," Ivanov said. "Arafat tripped over a rug and landed right in [then Israeli Defense Minister] Sharon's arms. You should have seen the look they exchanged while Sharon held Arafat in his strong grasp. Nothing happened, but you could tell something was there."

Daniel Kurtzer, U.S. ambassador to Israel, recalled suspicious comments made by Sharon at a state dinner in his honor at the White House last September.

"Ariel had had a little too much wine, and he ended up confiding to me about how he has a crush on somebody he shouldn't like at all," Kurtzer said. "He said he couldn't say who it was because it would never work out anyway. At first, I thought maybe it was Crown Prince Abdullah, but now it's pretty obvious who it was."

U.N. Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen praised the kiss as "a positive step forward in Israeli-Palestinian relations." He was critical, however, of the two men's methods leading up to the embrace.

"If trapping Yasser in his Ramallah compound for months was Ariel's way of getting Yasser's attention, he should have tried a less antagonistic approach, like sending a card," Roed-Larsen said. "And Yasser is no better, trying to catch Ariel's eye with all those deadly suicide bombings. God, men can be so stupid and macho."

Sharon and Arafat have since returned to their respective home soil, each having expressed a need for "time to think." In the meantime, the Israeli and Palestinian peoples are anxious to see what will transpire as a result of Monday's historic kiss.

"One mini make-out session and now we're supposed to wait who knows how long to find out if they actually get together? Oh, it makes me so frustrated," said Olfat Hafez, a Palestinian refugee who for the past 18 months has been living in a camp near Hebron. "Still, if these two do end up getting together, the end will have justified the means."

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Op donderdag 27 juni 2002 23:47 schreef eRR_ het volgende:

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sarcastisch bedoeld, naar ik aanneem?

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 00:54 schreef logisnack het volgende:
Idd een hoop goed nieuws te melden (behalve dat Arafat zich herkiesbaar stelt natuurlijk )
Maar dat hij dood gaat aan prostaat kanker laat mij niet wakker liggen.
Als bush hem echt weg wil gaat hij ook weg.. zo niet desnoods met harde hand, maar het grootste gevaar lijkt mij... wie volgt hem op???
Het is al gebleken dat Palestijnen geen betrouwbare leiding kunnen kiezen, dus ik houd mijn rikketik vast.

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 00:54 schreef logisnack het volgende:
Het is al gebleken dat Palestijnen geen betrouwbare leiding kunnen kiezen, dus ik houd mijn rikketik vast.

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 11:30 schreef Chadi het volgende:

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Net zoals Israeliers

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 10:26 schreef eRR_ het volgende:

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Dit wordt misschien wel z'n opvolger, stel dat er democratische verkiezingen worden gehouden. De geestelijk leider van de weldoenerspartij Hamas. Ik denk dat Bush dan nog niet zo slecht af was met Arafat..

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 10:26 schreef eRR_ het volgende:

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Dit wordt misschien wel z'n opvolger, stel dat er democratische verkiezingen worden gehouden. De geestelijk leider van de weldoenerspartij Hamas. Ik denk dat Bush dan nog niet zo slecht af was met Arafat..

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 11:33 schreef logisnack het volgende:

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De leiding van Israel verdedigd haar volk tegen aanslagen en oorlog.
De leiding van de palestijnen brengt haar volk de dood en oorlog.

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 11:35 schreef logisnack het volgende:

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BRRRrrr.
Die vent is Satan in levende lijve
Wat een engerd!
Dat stemmetje van hem
Hij kan zo stemmen in gaan spreken voor de muppet show oid.

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 11:37 schreef Chadi het volgende:

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Hoezo Hamas en de Israelische regering zijn toch beide tegen OSLO dus dan zijn het toch goede partners

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Op vrijdag 28 juni 2002 11:42 schreef logisnack het volgende:

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Toch vind ik het expres opblazen van 20 onschuldigen in een cafe wel erger dan het elimineren van 50 gewapende terroristen die volgens alle acoorden en VN verdragen onder het begrip "combatant" vallen en dus de eigen verantwoordelijkheid over hun leven dragen..

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