De Spelregels:
blijf ontopic, post serieuze inhoudelijke reakties, speel niet op de man/vrouw, post nieuwsberichten en copy/past geen ellenlange elders gevonden "feiten" of plaatjes en probeer herhaling van zetten te vermijden. * Probeer oplossingsgericht te denken en te discussiëren.
Reacting to the event with "dismay and disgust," the UN Special Envoy for the Middle East Peace Process, Terje Roed-Larsen, expressed particular sorrow "that such an act of wanton destruction had led to the loss of yet more civilian lives." He extended condolences to the victim's families.
"This cynical act and other previous acts of such murderous proportions cannot be justified under any cause," Mr. Roed-Larsen said in a statement issued in Gaza.
The UN envoy, who met today in Ramallah with Abu Ala, the speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, and other Palestinian officials, described the suicide bombings as "immoral and illegal" and stressed that they were aimed at hampering efforts to achieve a just and lasting peace. "They must be stopped," he said.
Mr. Roed-Larsen repeated his call on Palestinian individuals and groups to halt these attacks and emphasized that peace could only be achieved through a negotiated solution. The international community, he added, stood ready to assist in the reconstruction and reform effort in order to achieve peace.
The attack was also condemned "in the strongest possible terms" by UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Mary Robinson who called on the Palestinian Authority to bring those responsible to justice and repudiate the culture of suicide bombings.
"Such heinous crimes are inimical to human rights and [stand] in violation of international law," she said in a statement. "Moreover, the timing appears to be aimed at - but must not succeed in - undermining efforts to make political progress which is essential to restore the human security of both Israelis and Palestinians."
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=3621&Cr=suicide&Cr1=bombing
quote:Je zegt het is woorden, maar dat snappen alle simpele zielen hier blijkbaar niet.
Door BAZZA - donderdag 09 mei 2002 22:04Dan mag je daar aan toevoegen:
*olie producerende landen*landen met het communisme dan wel marxisme aan de macht en de landen waar de olie staten invloed kopen.
Deze resolutie had niks te maken met
"tegen geweld tegen weerloze burgers" de aanslag op de burgers die gewoon in de bus zaten in Israel wilde ze niet in die resolutie veroordelen
Wederom een staaltje hypocratie van de despoten staten die stuk voor stuk de wraak van de Westerse wereld over zich heen gaan krijgen voor hun steun aan terrorisme,
na Iraq pakken we ze allemaal aan, al kost het mij al mijn belasting geld.
quote:Klein lichtpuntje...
JERUZALEM/BETHLEHEM (ANP) - Alle Palestijnen die nog in de Geboortekerk in Bethlehem verbleven, hebben het pand vrijdagochtend verlaten. In totaal 123 Palestijnen zaten ruim een maand in de door Israëlische soldaten belegerde kerk.Donderdag kwam er een doorbraak in de impasse rond de Geboortekerk. De dertien Palestijnen die Israël verdenkt van terreurdaden, worden verbannen en zijn per vliegtuig naar Cyprus gebracht om daar enkele dagen te blijven. Vrijdagochtend vertrokken zij vanaf de luchthaven Ben Goerion in Tel Aviv en arriveerden rond het middaguur (Nederlandse tijd).
Griekenland is bereid enkele van hen op te nemen, aldus het Griekse ministerie van Buitenlandse Zaken. Het Israëlische leger zal zich ,,binnen enkele uren of dagen'' terugtrekken uit Bethlehem, zei vrijdag de Israëlische minister van Buitenlandse Zaken Peres.
Vrijdagochtend vroeg arriveerden zeven bussen voor de kerk. De Palestijnen kwamen één voor één uit de sinds 2 april belegerde kerk. Ze zijn onder het oog van tientallen gewapende Israëlische soldaten gefouilleerd en moesten door detectiepoortjes. Bij het verlaten van de kerk werden ze toegeroepen door familie en vrienden, voordat ze in een bus stapten.
Na het vertrek van de Palestijnen uit de Geboortekerk, hebben nu ook de tien buitenlandse vredesactivisten het godshuis verlaten. De tien verlieten de kerk onder begeleiding van de Israëlische politie en zijn aangehouden. De groep wist de kerk eerder binnen te dringen, en weigerde vrijdag aanvankelijk weg te gaan, ondanks het vertrek van de Palestijnen. Mogelijk zullen zij worden aangeklaagd wegens het ,,binnendringen in een gesloten militaire zone'', zo melden de Israëlische autoriteiten.
quote:De Joodse kolonisten kunnen er ook wat van!
Two settlers held while planting bomb near East J'lem hosptial
Jerusalem district police and the Shin Bet security service detained four Jews on suspicion of planning mass terror attacks against Palestinian residents of A-Tur and in East Jerusalem. Two of those detained were arrested some two weeks ago.
Officers from the Shalem police station, who were patrolling the A-Tur neighborhood of Jerusalem when the spotted a suspicious vehicle with two passengers - Shlomo Davir and Yarden Morag, both residents of the Bat Ein settlement. The officers followed the suspect vehicle and called for reinforcements. When they approached the Al-Mukasad hospital, the suspects unhooked a trailer from the rear of the vehicle, and placed it at the side of the road, next to the hospital and a nearby all-girl high school.
The officers approached the two suspects and asked then to explain their actions, but were met with a refusal. The officers took the two suspects into custody. A search of the vehicle discovered unlicensed weapons. An army sapper was called to the scene and found a powerful explosive device, with a time-delayed detonator, inside the trailer. The device was programmed to explode the following morning. Bomb squad officers neutralized the device.
Following the interrogation of Davir and Morag, two additional suspects were arrested - Ofer Gamliel, 42, also from bat Ein, and Yossi Ben-Baruch from the Havat Ma'on settlement. All four suspects are currently under arrest.
An extreme right-wing organization, going by the name of 'Gilad Shalhevet,' threatened Friday to assassinate singer Yaffa Yarkoni, if she performs at Saturday's peace rally at Tel Aviv's Rabin Square. The threat was made in a telephone call to the Peace Coalition, which is organizing Saturday's rally. A Peace Coalition activist reported the incident to police, who have begun investigating.
'Gilad Shalhevet' has claimed responsibility for a series of anti-Arab terror attacks last year, including the shooting attack in which a Palestinian truck driver was killed near Mishor Adumin.
quote:Dit noem ik geen treiteren meer hoor, maar geeft wel aan dat er nog een zeer lange weg te gaan is. Wie is er in staat het gehele gebied te ontwapenen?
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 15:12 schreef JoanCollins het volgende:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com :
[..]De Joodse kolonisten kunnen er ook wat van!
Dergelijke berichten zijn mij niet onbekent.Kolonisten die Palestijnse dorpbewoners aanvallen/treiteren.
quote:Met het verschil dat de autoriteiten van Israel ze voorkomen, en de autoriteiten van Arafat aanslagen plegen
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 15:12 schreef JoanCollins het volgende:
http://www.haaretzdaily.com :
[..]De Joodse kolonisten kunnen er ook wat van!
Dergelijke berichten zijn mij niet onbekent.Kolonisten die Palestijnse dorpbewoners aanvallen/treiteren.
quote:Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 15:29 schreef BAZZA het volgende:[..]
Met het verschil dat de autoriteiten van Israel ze voorkomen, en de autoriteiten van Arafat aanslagen plegen
Several lightly injured in Beersheba terrorist attack
By JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF
A bomb exploded near a bank in the Negev city of Beersheba early Friday, injuring several people, and police said they had two suspects.
"Two terrorists ... threw a bomb or planted a bomb. One was captured and the other escaped and we are searching for him," said Yossi Koppel, the southern district police commander.
The bomb went off near the Bank Hapoalim located in the old city section of Beersheba.
Yerucham Mandola, a spokesman for the Israeli national ambulance service, Magen David Adom, said at least four people were injured.
A resident named Amir Sofer told Israel's Army Radio that he and a friend apprehended the suspect in the attack.
"We were going toward Bank Hapoalim and we saw a car nearing. Two people put a bag down and kept walking and then there was an explosion."
"I saw with my own eyes one person putting the bag down, he was wearing a prison uniform."
"We ran after him, we caught him and we wanted to run after the second guy but we couldn't catch him," Sofer said he saw two other suspects flee the scene on foot, one toward the city's downtown, and the other toward an open market.
David Baker, an official in Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's office, said Palestinian militants were trying to "strike at the heart of Israel's cities and innocent citizens. Israel will not let up in its strive to seek out these terrorists and thwart these terror attacks before they happen," Baker told The Associated Press.
A suicide bombing Tuesday, carried out by the militant Palestinian group Hamas, left 15 Israelis dead in the city of Rishon Lezion.
(With The Associated Press)
http://www.jpost.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/Full&cid=1020943228472
quote:Goh een geweldige reactie.
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 15:30 schreef Chadi het volgende:Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Arafat = Fatah = Al-Aksa = aanslagen op bv een trouwerij.
welk gedeelte snap je niet ventje ?
quote:Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 15:34 schreef BAZZA het volgende:[..]
Goh een geweldige reactie.
Arafat = Fatah = Al-Aksa = aanslagen op bv een trouwerij.
welk gedeelte snap je niet ventje ?
quote:Kan iemand mij uitleggen wat daar positief aan is?
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 15:12 schreef golfer het volgende:
Palestijnen verlaten Geboortekerk
[..]Klein lichtpuntje...
De EU neemt terroristen in zijn midden op. Dat lijkt mij negatief.
Maar wat is er dan positief? Dat Arafat nu minder draagvlak heeft onder 'de' Palestijnen?
quote:Nou aan de ene kant vind ik het een slechte zaak en aan de andere kant een goede. Het is een slechte zaak als het echt terroristen zijn die vervolgens hier effe een netwerkje komen leggen. Het goede van de hele zaak is dat de spanning wat afneemt en er ruimte komt voor nderhandelingen en wederopbouw.
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 20:30 schreef machteld het volgende:[..]
Kan iemand mij uitleggen wat daar positief aan is?
De EU neemt terroristen in zijn midden op. Dat lijkt mij negatief.
Maar wat is er dan positief? Dat Arafat nu minder draagvlak heeft onder 'de' Palestijnen?
quote:En volgens CNN is er nu een grote mobilisatie aan de gang onder het Israelische leger om de GAZA binnen te vallen... leuk motiefje geschapen niet?
Op zaterdag 11 mei 2002 00:16 schreef machteld het volgende:
Er zijn weer enige 'HELDEN' terug in de Gaza-strook.
een leuk motiefje voor die zelfmoor aanslagen? wat dacht je van meer dan 50 jaar onderdrukking... leuk motiefje toch?
Stelletje kleuters.
[/Mr. Big mode]
J.
P.s. posts kennen we nu wel. Probeer eens iets constructiefs te posten.
It's not hard to find reasons why Israel is hesitant to repeat its recent West Bank military offensive in the Gaza Strip. Although Israeli forces continued to mass at the edge of the territory Friday following a cabinet decision to authorize a retaliation for Tuesday's Hamas suicide bombing in Rishon Letzion, politicians and generals debated the wisdom and purpose of such an operation and the U.S. was reportedly quietly urging restraint on the Israelis, while pressing the Palestinians to crack down on terrorist groups.
The U.S. and a number of Israel's top military commanders are aware of the danger that an offensive in Gaza could plunge the region back into the depths of crisis, quickly erasing whatever gains have been made over the past three weeks. For the same reason, Israel's foreign minister, Shimon Peres, stressed that unlike "Operation Defensive Shield" in the West Bank, any actions in Gaza would be short-lived and focused on identifiable strongholds of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Still, that's easier said than done.
The Islamist terror cells operate in the shadows and base themselves in the Strip's crowded urban areas and refugee camps Gaza City is one of the world's most densely populated cities. Even though Israeli military strategists believe Israel reestablished its deterrent capacity during "Defensive Shield" by breaking the previous taboo on sending troops into Palestinian cities and refugee camps, doing the same in Gaza raises the specter of civilian casualties and also Israeli losses far in excess of those seen in Jenin.
Hamas does maintain a visible infrastructure in Gaza, but that consists almost entirely of the mosques, schools, day-care centers, medical facilities and food-distribution centers of its welfare wing on whom tens of thousands of impoverished Gazans depend. Targeting those could carry a heavy political cost for Israel. Also, the 139-square mile strip abutting Egypt is a hotbed of Palestinian militancy and support for Hamas and other radical groups is higher there than in the West Bank. Reports from the area suggest local militants are preparing to fight hard against any Israeli incursions into Gaza's population centers, and some Israeli commentators fear that an upsurge of violence so close to Egypt will increase domestic pressure in that country to retreat from its own peace treaty with Israel.
Another concern among the Israelis and Americans is the effect of such an operation on efforts to reform the Palestinian Authority and consolidate its security structures. Gaza security chief Mohammed Dahlan has assumed a greater role in efforts to restore Palestinian security structures both on his home turf and in the West Bank. The U.S. would like to see Dahlan mount a full-blown crackdown on all Palestinian terrorist groups and unofficial militias, in cooperation with Israeli security and intelligence services. But a new Israeli offensive may preclude that, forcing Dahlan to allow his men to resist and, in the course of such action, driving them closer to the very groups the U.S. would like to see them arrest.
The challenge of the Rishon Letzion bombing has left Ariel Sharon in a political bind. He's certainly managed to come out on top in his recent dealings with the Bush administration; despite the recent U.S. interventions to resolve the standoffs in Ramallah and Bethlehem, the Bush administration's talk of reviving political negotiations appears to be back on hold. The see-sawing battle over Mideast policy in the administration seems to be tilting again towards the hawks, with President Bush, during this week's White House visit, appearing to endorse Sharon's position that peace talks will have to wait until security had been restored and the PA thoroughly reformed. That allows Sharon to defer the uncomfortable question of just how much of Israel's occupation of the West Bank and Gaza he's ultimately willing to relinquish.
But while Washington may be prepared to give Sharon breathing space on the political questions, his own party is proving less cooperative. The governing committee of Likud is scheduled to vote Sunday to adopt a policy resolution rejecting a Palestinian state alongside Israel. But if committing to a policy that essentially rules out any prospect of peace with the Palestinians leaves Sharon in a difficult position, that may partly be the intention former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is running hard from the right to eclipse Sharon in the battle for the party's nomination for next year's general election, and he currently has the support of the majority of the party. Committing Sharon to precluding a Palestinian state could even bring down his unity government and force an election.
The need to head off the challenge from within Likud raises pressure on Sharon to mount a hard-hitting military operation in Gaza in response the Rishon Letzion bombing. But that pressure may be counterbalanced by concern that a new upsurge of fighting in Gaza could set off a chain reaction that once again tips the balance in the Bush administration towards a more forceful push for peace. Whatever course Israel chooses, the Gaza dilemma highlights the extent to which Washington's recent piecemeal efforts to stabilize the situation have not filled the security and political vacuum left in the wake of Israel's "Operation Defensive Shield." And Hamas has made clear that it plans a whole season of suicide bombs to wreck any resumption of the peace process.
dat wordt dus weer oorlog
quote:Dit verklaart misschien waarom sommige Palestijnen een beetje boos zijn op Israeliers.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020509/2002050924.htmlJewish Rabbi: Israel a state against God!
Palestine-Israel, Politics, 5/9/2002
A prominent Jewish rabbi considered Israel as a state standing "against God, against Torah, and against the Jewish religion." He added that it caused many tragic events to both Palestinians and Jews.The Zionist movement, he said, that was behind establishing the Israeli state, is based on blood shedding, destruction, killing and terrorism. On the other hand, he supported the right of Palestinians in resistance and restoring their complete usurped homeland.
The rabbi, Israel David Wyce, speaker of the Natouri Karta group, that opposes the Zionist movement, went on to say that Zionism is a secular movement.
Zionists, he elaborated, are heretics and stand in the face of the Jewish spiritual teachings.
The Jewish rabbi, said Zionism is no more than a racist nationalist non-religious movement set up by those who veered away from the pure Jewish religion.
The Torah (Old Testament), he pointed out, provides that the Jews were given the land of Palestine thousands of years before.
Yet, due to their sins they were dismissed from that land; they went astray.
Hence, the Jews are never entitled to establish a Jewish state on the Palestinian territory as this is opposed to the Jewish instructions and it is even against God's will.
Most of the Jews, up to the second world war, the rabbi said, were extremely opposed to the Zionist movement.
They accused Zionists of turning Judaism from a spiritual religion into a racist secular movement.
Theodore Hertzel, founder of the Zionist movement, was not a religious Jewish. He exploited the Jewish religion to distract and misguide the Jews.
The rabbi recalled that the Zionist forces used to blast off the Jewish temples and scare the Jews so that they might emigrate and usurp the land of Palestine from the original owners.
The man squarely accused the Zionists and the occupying Israeli army of committing carnage, heinous massacres against the Palestinian as well as against the Jewish people.
He termed the Palestinian resistance a legitimate action and normal reaction against Zionist offenses.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020509/2002050924.html
Laatste wat ik meepikte dat het bestand in de geboortekerk van Jezus is opgeheven. Dat is wel goed nieuws.
GLG
quote:Zoveel verschil is er niet met vroeger hoor!
Op vrijdag 10 mei 2002 15:29 schreef BAZZA het volgende:[..]
en de autoriteiten van Arafat aanslagen plegen
quote:Even dat zionisme aanhalen uit jouw poster!
Op zaterdag 11 mei 2002 01:18 schreef kariem112 het volgende:[..]
Dit verklaart misschien waarom sommige Palestijnen een beetje boos zijn op Israeliers.
quote:
Hamas vows more suicide attacks
KUWAIT - The founder of the Hamas militant organization said in an interview published on Saturday that the Palestinian group would continue to use suicide bombings against Israel.Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, spiritual leader of Hamas, also told Kuwait's al-Qabas daily that Hamas had many requests from Palestinian youths to carry out suicide bombings, including females whom he described as "reserve soldiers in the long battle."
He said suicide bombings were one of the "forms of resistance open against the enemy."
When asked about a call by Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to halt suicide bombings, Yassin added: "Hamas always considers the higher interests of the Palestinian people...We have in the past stopped martyrdom operations against the enemy. But they did not stop their killing of our people, our leaders and officials. That is why we are no longer obligated by our previous initiative."
Palestinian security forces arrested 14 Hamas members in the Gaza Strip on Thursday after Arafat ordered measures to foil attacks on Israeli civilians.
The sheikh told the Kuwaiti daily that Hamas backs Arafat as long as he continues to reject "to bow to the dictations" of Israel and the United States and does not become a "fighter" against resistance movements.
Hamas does not "like" targeting civilians, he said, but the suicide bombings were only a response to similar Israeli attacks against Palestinian civilians. Israelis are all soldiers "dressed in civilian clothes who only yesterday were officers in military outfits in their units," Yassin added
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