Cosma-Shiva | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 03:28 |
quote:bron: Trouw ==================================================================== Chávez, the president of the world's fourth-largest oil-producing nation counts Fidel Castro as a mentor (and supplys Cuba with bargain-price oil) and Iraq and Libya as his partners in petroleum. He not-so-tacitly backs the Colombian rebels and openly challenges the Free Trade Area of the Americas, counting the U.S. as one of his favorite scapegoats and world oil prices as one of his most reliable political levers. Zie ook:
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Good_Looking_Gobling | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 03:33 |
quote:ten eerste goeiemorgen Shiva, mijn rendering animatie is net afgelopen en voordat ik ermee kap, even een reaktie ![]() Ernstige zaak, ik denk dat dit nog wel een vervolg zal krijgen. De zoveelste bemoeienis van VS op staatskundig gebied. Het zal vast morgen in de kranten komen te staan. GLG | |
Hawk | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 08:44 |
Verbaast me allemaal niks, wist het meteen toen ik van de staatsgreep hoorde. Het enige wat me verbaast is dat het nu naar buiten schijnt te komen. | |
Ron_Jeremy | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 08:54 |
quote:Dat is toch wat anders dan 'achter de staatsgreep zitten'. | |
FuTilE | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 09:13 |
quote: quote:Zou me anders niks verbazen, zeker niet de eerste keer dat de CIA complete couppogingen financiert en binnenlandse milities steunt. | |
Ron_Jeremy | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 09:18 |
quote:Nee dat is het zeker niet. | |
hounddog | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 11:18 |
De Amerikanen hebben ook in Chili Pinochet aan de macht gebracht.Ze hebben in El Salvador en in Niguracua zitten rommelen. Ze waren als de dood voor Castro. ![]() | |
SportsIllustrated | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 11:20 |
Nixon stuurde Pinochet zelfs een dag te vroeg een felicitatie-telegram ![]() Ik vermoedde wel dat Bush, zoals alle Amerikaanse presidenten, behoorlijk wat werk verrichtte achter de schermen, maar het was nog niet in me opgekomen dat hij hier iets mee van doen had. | |
sjorsie | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 16:20 |
Ik geloof dat de amerikaanse politiek ook de 9-11 ramp zelf heeft georganiseerd ![]() | |
hounddog | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 17:00 |
Sjorsie jij hebt een goeie galgenhumor, ga zo door en gij zult spinazie eten ![]() | |
Kennyman | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 17:12 |
Als je hoort wat de huidige president aan het doen was vind ik dat ingrijpen zeker toegestaan is. | |
QBZZ | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 18:11 |
quote:Dus stel dat er in Nederland een regering gekozen wordt die in de ogen van de Amerikanen een beleid voert dat niet door de beugel kan dan mag de USA ook in Nederland ingrijpen? Meen je dat serieus? | |
Kennyman | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 18:13 |
quote:Een vergelijking tussen Nederland en Venezuela is dergelijk ongepast dat ik achter een staatsgreep in Venezuela steun, al dan niet geholpen door de VS. Het inperken van de persvrijheid en het verstevigen van je eigen macht klinkt mij TE dictatoriaal om te negeren. Er zijn al veel mensen slachtoffer geworden van dergelijke regimes, die mensen hadden het allemaal veel beter kunnen hebben als er was ingegrepen. Zo vind ik ook dat men Saddam bijvoorbeeld allang af had moeten zetten; we hebben de morele plicht voor zo weinig moeite zoveel goeds te doen. | |
QBZZ | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 18:16 |
quote:Venezuela is in tegenstelling tot Irak een democratisch land. Indien de bevolking van Venezuela het beleid van haar regering afkeurt kunnen ze bij de volgende verkiezingen de regering naar huis sturen. Hoe kom je er overigens bij dat de persvrijheid werd beknot en dat de president de eigen macht aan het verstevigen was? | |
Cairon | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 18:20 |
quote:Afgaande op tal van andere situaties waar de VS verantwoordelijk voor is, denk ik toch met een gerust hart te zeggen dat het er voor de bevolking niet veel beter op word. Ze tuimelen nu van de ene bijna-dictatuur in de andere. Tja en Amerika vraagt zich af waarom het toch komt dat ze niet het meest geliefde land zijn... | |
Cosma-Shiva | dinsdag 23 april 2002 @ 19:12 |
quote:Mocht de VS achter de coup zitten, dan iig niet om humanitaire redenen (denk olie). | |
Hawk | woensdag 24 april 2002 @ 13:24 |
quote:Een Venezuolaan verwoordde het heel treffend: "Als ze mijn president willen afzetten, zullen dat per stembiljet aan mij moeten vragen" Chavez is een democratisch gekozen president, kan je van Bush niet zeggen. | |
don_quichot | woensdag 24 april 2002 @ 14:07 |
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tvlxd | woensdag 24 april 2002 @ 14:24 |
Het lijkt mij wel duidelijk: Venezuelan coup plotter 'in Miami' | |
Ghola | woensdag 24 april 2002 @ 15:37 |
STRATFOR had het hiet 10 dagen geleden ook al over: Venezuela: Rumored U.S. Involvement Could Hurt Bush Administration Summary Human intelligence sources in Venezuela and Washington told STRATFOR April 14 that the Central Intelligence Agency and the U.S. State Department may have been involved separately in the events that took place in Caracas between April 5 and April 13. If the information is correct, the reinstatement of President Hugo Chavez less than 48 hours after he was toppled by a civilian-military coup could have disastrous implications for the Bush administration's policy in Latin America. Analysis Several human sources told STRATFOR on April 14 that the U.S. State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency may have had a hand in the tumultuous events that occurred between April 5 and April 13 in Caracas, culminating in President Hugo Chavez's brief ouster and his return to power. Although these sources may have had their own motivations for making the allegation, it is possible -- if the Chavez regime produces convincing evidence of U.S. government involvement in the failed coup -- that it could poison Washington's relations with governments throughout Latin America. Efforts to win regional support for increased U.S. military support to Colombia, and to other Andean ridge countries battling the twin threats of international drug trafficking and nominally Marxist insurgencies, would be set back significantly in Latin America and Washington. The Bush administration's efforts to pursue more free trade agreements in the region also would be undermined. Chavez could strengthen his own political base in Venezuela if he can quickly prove U.S. involvement in attempts to topple his 3-year-old regime. This also would give a tremendous boost to Chavez's leadership status and credibility with populist and nationalist groups across Latin America that view the United States as a threat and that oppose U.S.-style capitalist democracy. The U.S. government has a long history of interfering with Latin American regimes viewed as unfriendly or dangerous to U.S. national security interests in the region. Although the Bush administration tried very hard in the past week to distance itself from the chaos in Venezuela, many governments in Latin America, Europe, the Middle East and Asia viewed Washington's cautious silence on Venezuela with considerable skepticism. However, if STRATFOR's sources are correct, the skepticism may have been justified. Our sources in Venezuela and the United States report that the CIA had knowledge of, and possibly even supported, the ultra-conservative civilians and military officials who tried unsuccessfully to hijack interim President Pedro Carmona Estanga's administration. Sources in Venezuela identified this group as including members of the extremely conservative Catholic Opus Dei society and military officers loyal to retired Gen. Ruben Rojas, who also is a son-in-law of former President Rafael Caldera. Caldera, who governed from 1969 to 1973 and from 1994 to 1998, founded the Christian Democratic Copei party. STRATFOR's sources say this ultra-conservative group planned to launch a coup against the Chavez regime on Feb. 27, but the action was aborted at the last minute as a result of strong pressure from the Bush administration, which warned publicly that it would not support or recognize any undemocratic efforts to oust Chavez. Separately, STRATFOR's sources report, the State Department was quietly supporting the moderate center-right civilian-military coalition that sought Chavez's resignation by confronting his increasingly authoritarian regime with unarmed, peaceful people power. The April 11 protest by nearly 350,000 Venezuelans was the largest march against any government in Venezuela's history, and even without violence the momentum likely would have continued building in subsequent days. U.S. policymakers who supported the civic groups seeking Chavez's departure believed their numbers eventually would reach a sufficiently large critical mass to force a change in Chavez's policies or even trigger a regime change. However, the violence that killed 15 people and injured 350 -- including 157 who suffered gunshot wounds inflicted by pro-Chavez government security forces and civilian militia members -- united the previously leaderless and disarticulated center-right opposition and gave moderates in the armed forces (FAN) what they perceived as a legitimate reason to oust Chavez immediately. Sources in this center-right group tell STRATFOR that the videotapes of pro-Chavez gunmen firing indiscriminately into the front ranks of marching protesters were "more than enough" to legally justify a regime change. The conservative civilian-military group timed its coup-within-a -coup perfectly, using Carmona's swearing-in ceremony as the platform from which to hijack what was supposed to be a moderate center-right transition government -- a government that would reach out to the moderate left that is led by former Interior and Justice Minister Luis Miquilena. STRATFOR's sources inside this group report that 23 members of the president's Fifth Republic Movement (MVR) block in the National Assembly had committed late April 11, after the violence, to vote for Chavez's removal from power. Additionally, given that Vice President Diosdado Cabello was responsible for organizing and coordinating the Bolivarian Circles from Miraflores presidential palace, it was felt that he and other senior Chavez regime officials could have been removed legally from the government with the help of Miquilena's votes in the National Assembly and his strong influence over the Supreme Court. However, Carmona Estanga destroyed that possibility and irreparably fractured the center-right coalition that named him to the presidency when he announced the dissolution of the National Assembly, fired the entire Supreme Court and sacked the attorney general, comptroller general and the public defender, who were appointed by Chavez. The dissolution of the National Assembly was repudiated unanimously by every political and civic organization in the country. The powerful Venezuelan Workers Confederation (CTV) promptly withdrew its support from Carmona without making any announcements in that regard, STRATFOR sources said, and the tenuous anti-Chavez coalition within the FAN collapsed almost immediately. Moreover, tensions between the moderate and mainly army faction led by Gen. Efrain Vasquez Velasco and the ultra-conservatives flared rapidly as the right-wingers, through the new interim defense minister, sought to break up Vasquez Velasco's base of support within the army by transferring some his key associates to other commands. The picture painted by STRATFOR's sources in Venezuela and the United States is of two parallel U.S. operations that were executed separately by the State Department and CIA. While the State Department sought discreetly and quasi-officially to support the anti-Chavez moderates in an effort to build a viable political center, the CIA was at least aware of the ultra-conservative plot to hijack Carmona's short-lived presidency. If the sources are correct, the Bush administration's carefully laid plans soon may backfire. | |
gohan16 | woensdag 24 april 2002 @ 16:54 |
snappen jullie het nog niet???????? Venezuala heeft een beperking op haar aardalie-export en Amerika wil geen beperking meer, dus laten ze een president de macht overnemen op voorwaarde dat ze onbeperkt aardolie krijgen MET korting natuurlijk!!! Waarom denk je dat ze zich alleen bemoeien met landen met aardolie, zoals Saudie-arabie, kuwait, irak en afghanisten! Waarom hielpen ze niet de hutsi's en tutsi's in Somalie uit elkaar te halen??? Omdat het land geen waardevolle bronnen heeft natuurlijk!!!! | |
tvlxd | woensdag 24 april 2002 @ 17:53 |
quote:Hm, gewoon omdat ze eerst de Arabieren uit Zuid-Amerika willen. En de Finnen uit Australië. | |
IPdaily | maandag 16 augustus 2004 @ 12:57 |
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IPdaily | maandag 16 augustus 2004 @ 13:00 |
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Pappie_Culo | maandag 16 augustus 2004 @ 21:30 |
Wie niet naar het pijpen van de VS danst loopt het risico afgezet te worden. Zo is het helaas. | |
DrWolffenstein | maandag 16 augustus 2004 @ 21:31 |
Ja leuk, we gaan weer met z'n allen Amerika bashen ![]() | |
DrWolffenstein | maandag 16 augustus 2004 @ 21:36 |
quote:Daar integen laat de nederlandse SP geen bewapende milities op de bevolking los, mocht blijken dat de grote Leider niet gewenst is als premier (of in dit geval, president). | |
Dagonet | maandag 16 augustus 2004 @ 21:37 |
Wolfje? Je reageert op posts van meer dan 2 jaar oud. Er loopt een topic over de meest recente ontwikkelingen in POL Deze gaat dicht ![]() |