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ARK OF THE COVENANT REVEALED
Posted on Thursday, June 25th, 2009
By Marge Floori

ADDIS ABABA – The head of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia has stated that the Ark of the Covenant
will be revealed to the public.


Abuna Pauolos is in Vatican City this week, meeting with Pope Benedict XVI. It is from this holy city that Pauolos confirmed the Ark of the Covenant’s presence in Ethiopia, and that he will be announcing its unveiling this Friday: “Soon the world will be able to admire the Ark of the Covenant described in the Bible as the container of the tablets of the law that God delivered to Moses and the center of searches and studies for centuries.”

The Ark is a sacred container written of in the Old Testament. It is said to contain the original Ten Commandments tablets, as well as some manna, the mythical food that the Israelites ate while wandering through the desert.

It was made of wood, but covered in pure gold. On top, two cherubim faced each other, their wings outspread to form the “throne of God”. It’s supposed weight has been widely debated, with numbers ranging from 180 to 8,000 pounds!

Theologians have never been able to agree on the Ark’s fate, but many believe Menelik I brought it to Ethiopia. Menelik was the son of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, and was the first Jewish emperor of Ethiopia.

Today, the Ethiopian Orthodox Church boasts that it sits under lock and key in the Chapel of the Tablet, near the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion. It is only used occasionally in ritual processions, but almost no one has seen it, let alone gotten photographic evidence.

Said Pauolos, “The Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia for many centuries. As a patriarch I have seen it with my own eyes and only few highly qualified persons could do the same, until now.”

Even UFOlogists are excited, as some believe the Ark is an example of alien intervention in ancient times. They interpret its its supernatural aspects literally, such as that the operator had to wear a special gem-adorned breastplate, or that it could be used as a weapon of mass destruction.

The world anxiously awaits his announcement tomorrow. But will it be the real Ark, or just a hoax?
Spannend. Het lijkt mij vrij onwaarschijnlijk dat het de echte, originele ark is. Maar ik ben wel benieuwd waar ze dan wel mee op de proppen komen. Volgens het artikel zou de Ark al een paar dagen geleden geopenbaard worden, maar dat is nog niet gebeurd. We houden het in de gaten...
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Gebeurt waarschijnlijk pas in 2012
I just had to get that stress off my chest like breast reduction.
  woensdag 1 juli 2009 @ 01:04:55 #3
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Ik gok dat er niets wordt geopenbaard.
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"I am deeply disappointed that the Italian media misquoted me and disseminated false information about me unveiling the Ark of the Covenant to the world," he said at a news conference.

"It is a fabrication, disinformation."
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:04 schreef TechXP het volgende:
Ik gok dat er niets wordt geopenbaard.
Zou goed kunnen.

Reactie van prof. dr. Ben Witherington III (historicus):
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The Ark of the Covenant in Ethiopia--- or Not
Not for the first time and undoubtedly not for the last, the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia is claiming it has the original Ark of the Covenant spoken of in the Bible, and made famous all over again by Indiana Jones. What is new about all this is that the Patriarch of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church says he will be unveiling it for all the world to see soon and very soon. Here is a link to the story
http://weeklyworldnews.co(...)e-covenant-revealed/

I must confess that I am more than just a tad skeptical that this ark has anything to do with the original ark of the covenant. Why not? Well, lets start with the fact that according to Orthodox tradition the ark was brought to Ethiopia by Menilik I who was supposedly Solomon's son which he had with the Queen of Sheba (who knew?). This claim is not based in any ancient sources known to date prior to the time of Jesus. What the Bible says is that Solomon's son was Rehoboam, and no sexual dalliance, never mind marriage to the Queen of Sheba is mentioned in the Bible. 1 Kngs 10.13 refers to Solomon giving the Queen various goods, in a reciprocity exchange meant to cement a positive relationship between the two peoples. When Solomon is said to have had sexual relationships with foreign women, the text is quite explicit and names the countries from which they came ( 1 Kngs. 11.1ff.) Neither the Queen of Sheba, nor anyone else from Sheba is mentioned.

But besides this fact, there is no good reason whatsoever why any son of Solomon would cart the ark off to Ethiopia. Judea was not under attack by any of the neighboring super powers such as Egypt during the reign of the son of Solomon and the Temple had of course been built in Jerusalem in part to house the ark of the covenant in the first place. Furthermore, the evidence as far as it goes suggests that Sheba (or Saba) was the country known as Yemen on the east side of the Red Sea, not Ethiopia which is on the west side of that sea, though this matter is debated, and some think Saba included territory on both sides of the sea.

Here below you will find a picture of the little shrine in Ethiopia where the ark is now housed.

Stay tuned for more 'revelations', but as my granny once said--- "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out".
"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth man's minds about to religion." - Sir Francis Bacon
"Heb je vijanden lief, wees goed voor wie jullie haten." - Jezus
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Duidelijk. Slotje.
"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth man's minds about to religion." - Sir Francis Bacon
"Heb je vijanden lief, wees goed voor wie jullie haten." - Jezus
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:10 schreef koningdavid het volgende:

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Duidelijk. Slotje.

Nee nog niet.
Die priester heeft gezegd dat het een leugen is dat ze ermee naar buiten komen. De ark hebben ze wel natuurlijk en wordt/zal worden bewaard in het noorden van Ethiopie en alleen toegankelijk voor hoge priesters ofzo.
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:14 schreef wwwever het volgende:

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Nee nog niet.
Die priester heeft gezegd dat het een leugen is dat ze ermee naar buiten komen. De ark hebben ze wel natuurlijk en wordt/zal worden bewaard in het noorden van Ethiopie en alleen toegankelijk voor hoge priesters ofzo.
Dat zeggen ze al jaren, of beter, eeuwen.

Ik snap niet dat er nooit een keer iemand anders, behalve die Ethiopische priesters, bij is geweest. Het moet toch een keer mogelijk zijn iemand anders, een buitenstaander, daar binnen te laten.
"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth man's minds about to religion." - Sir Francis Bacon
"Heb je vijanden lief, wees goed voor wie jullie haten." - Jezus
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:19 schreef koningdavid het volgende:

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Dat zeggen ze al jaren, of beter, eeuwen.

Ik snap niet dat er nooit een keer iemand anders, behalve die Ethiopische priesters, bij is geweest. Het moet toch een keer mogelijk zijn iemand anders, een buitenstaander, daar binnen te laten.
Indiana Jones is er ook een keer geweest volgens mij.
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:28 schreef Ali_Kannibali het volgende:

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Indiana Jones is er ook een keer geweest volgens mij.
Haha, klopt. Volgens die film lag de Ark ergens in Egypte volgens mij.

Wiki over de mogelijke locaties:
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Rumoured present locations
Some have claimed to have discovered or have possession of the Ark.

The Temple Mount of Jerusalem
Modern excavations near the Temple Mount in Jerusalem have found tunnels, but digging beneath the Temple Mount is heavily restricted. One of the most important Islamic shrines, the Dome of the Rock, sits in the location where the First Temple of Solomon once stood. King Solomon, when building the temple, is rumored to have put the Ark of the Covenant on a platform which could be lowered down into a tunnel system if the Temple were ever overrun. In 586 BC, King Nebuchadnezzar's troops destroyed the temple and carried off the temple treasures, but no mention of the Ark of the Covenant is made, leading to speculation that it had been lowered into the cave system below and secreted away by Levite priests.

Ethiopian Orthodox Church
The Ethiopian Orthodox Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant or tabot in Axum. The object is now kept under guard in a treasury near the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion, and used occasionally in ritual processions.[6] But versions of the Axum tabot are kept in every Ethiopian church, each with its own dedication to a particular saint, most popularly Mary, George and Michael.[7]

The Kebra Nagast is Ethiopia’s greatest national document, composed to legitimise the new royal line established in 1270 by claiming its descent from Menelik I, the son of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba, and contains a reference to the Ark of the Covenant being brought to Ethiopia by Menelik.[citation needed] However, recent scholarship suggests[which?] that that reference is a later interpolation[citation needed]: many important manuscripts later than the thirteenth century[which?] make no reference to it[citation needed], and it only became a core element of Ethiopian beliefs in the seventeenth century.[citation needed]

The patriarch of the Orthodox Church of Ethiopia, Abuna Paulos, said he would announce to the world on June 26, 2009 the unveiling of the Ark of the Covenant, which he said had been kept safe and secure in a church in Axum, Ethiopia. [8]. On the 26th the patriarch announced that he would not unveil the Ark, but that he could attest to its current status.[9][10]

Southern Africa
The Lemba people of South Africa and Zimbabwe, who believe they are of Jewish descent, have claimed that their ancestors carried the Ark south, calling it the ngoma lungundu or "voice of God", eventually hiding it in a deep cave in the Dumghe mountains, their spiritual home.[11][12][13]

In a Channel 4 documentary broadcast in UK on April 14, 2008,[14] Tudor Parfitt, taking a literalist approach to the Biblical story, described his research into this claim. He says that the object described by the Lemba has attributes similar to the Ark. It was of similar size, was carried on poles by priests, was not allowed to touch the ground, was revered as a voice of their God, and was used as a weapon of great power, sweeping enemies aside.

In his book The Lost Ark of the Covenant (2008) Parfitt also suggests that the Ark was taken to Arabia following the Second Book of Maccabees, and cites Arabic sources which maintain it was brought in distant times to Yemen. One Lemba clan, the Buba, which was supposed to have brought the Ark to Africa, have a genetic signature called the Cohen Modal Haplotype which connects them with the ancient Jewish priesthood. The Lemba also came to Africa from Yemen. Lemba tradition maintains that the Ark spent some time in Sena in Yemen. Later, it was taken across the sea to East Africa and may have been taken inland at the time of the Great Zimbabwe civilization. According to their oral traditions, some time after the arrival of the Lemba with the Ark, it self-destructed. Using a core from the original, the Lemba priests constructed a new one. This replica was discovered in a cave by a Swedish German missionary named Harald von Sicard in the 1940s and eventually found its way to the Museum of Human Science in Harare.

Parfitt had this artifact radio-carbon dated to about 1350 AD, which coincided with the sudden end of the Great Zimbabwe civilization.[15] Jewish sources in the Talmud, as well as the Jewish exegete Rashi (Rashi's commentary of Deuteronomy), suggest that there were two Arks: one was the original simple wooden Ark of Moses described in the Book of Deuteronomy, the other was the later golden Ark made by Bezalel as described in the Book of Exodus. Rabbinic opinion maintains that the first of these Arks was the Ark of War and the second was a ceremonial object which stayed in the Temple. Parfitt suggests that the Ark he found was the descendant of the Ark of War and that a wooden chest being used as a weapon was replicated at least once, and possibly many times. Parfitt offers the suggestion that the wooden ark may always have been a drum as well as a weapon of some sort, like the ngoma. It was often found in musical processions, David danced in front of it and it was covered over with a piece of leather. Parfitt, however, offers no explanation of the original principal contents of the Ark, the stone tablets.

Other Middle Eastern Sites
Mt. Nebo Some people believe that the Ark is hidden somewhere in or around Mt. Nebo on the Jordan River's east bank. Second Maccabees, chapter 2, verses 1-8, mentions how the prophet Jeremiah "following a divine revelation, ordered that the tent [i.e. the tabernacle of meeting] and the ark [i.e. the ark of the covenant] should accompany him and how he went off to the mountain which Moses climbed to see God's inheritance [i.e. Mt. Nebo; see Deuteronomy 31:1-4]. When Jeremiah arrived there, he found a room in a cave in which he put the tent, the ark, and the altar of incense; then he blocked up the entrance." (vv. 4-5) There is some debate as to whether or not this second-hand account (see v. 1) is trustworthy.

Calvary Escarpment In 1989, Ron Wyatt claimed to have broken into a chamber while digging underground beneath the Calvary Escarpment. He claimed to have seen the Ark and taken photographs. All photos came out blurry (leading to skepticism of the claim). According to Wyatt the excavations were closed off (because of private property concerns) and, to the extent of knowledge, no one has seen the Ark since. Ron Wyatt was widely seen in the Biblical archaeology community as an attention seeker, often announcing he had found Biblically important objects with little or no hard evidence to back up his claims.

Qumran Vendyl Jones claimed to have found the entrance to the chamber in the Cave of the Column near Qumran. Here, he stated, is where the Ark was hidden prior to the destruction of the First Temple. Arutz Sheva quoted Jones stating he would reveal the Ark on Tisha B'Av (August 14, 2005), the anniversary of the destruction of both the First and Second Temples;[16] however, this did not occur. On Jones' website he states that he was misquoted and actually said it would be appropriate if he discovered the Ark on Tisha B'Av. Jones is waiting for funding to explore the cave.

Michael Sanders claims to have found the location of the Ark Of the Covenant's 'stones' in Djaharya near an ancient temple created by Ramses III (now an old tower in ruins).[17]

Europe
Languedoc, France
Several legends hold that the Ark was carried home to Languedoc by Templars returning from the Crusades.[18]


United Kingdom
In 2003, historical author Graham Phillips traced the route of the Ark through research using Biblical texts as being taken to Mount Sinai in the Valley of Edom by the Maccabees, along with other religious treasures. Phillips claims it remained there until the 1180s, when Ralph de Sudeley, the leader of the Templars who apparently found the Maccabean treasure at Jebel al-Madhbah, returned home to his estate at Herdewyke in Warwickshire, UK, taking the treasure with him.[19]

IrelandDuring the turn of the 20th century British Israelites carried out some excavations of the Hill of Tara looking for the Ark of the Covenant – the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland campaigned successfully to have them stopped before they ruined the hill.[20]
"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth man's minds about to religion." - Sir Francis Bacon
"Heb je vijanden lief, wees goed voor wie jullie haten." - Jezus
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:32 schreef koningdavid het volgende:
Volgens die film lag de Ark ergens in Egypte volgens mij.


Volgens Jamaicanen ligt ie ergens in de bergen van Ethopie, waarschijnlijk in de buurt van een groep zwarte Joden die ooit naar Israel zijn gehaald.

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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:38 schreef sig000 het volgende:

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Volgens Jamaicanen ligt ie ergensin de bergen van Ethopie, waarschijnlijk in de buurt van een groep zwarte Joden die ooit naar Israel zijn gehaald.
Ethiopiė en de Tempelberg zijn de meest genoemde locaties.
"A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth man's minds about to religion." - Sir Francis Bacon
"Heb je vijanden lief, wees goed voor wie jullie haten." - Jezus
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Keer een docu gezien hierover. Al sla je me dood ik weet niet in welk land of welke zender ik die gezien heb, maar toen waren ze daar ook, bij dat kerkje, d'r is 1 priester ofzo die die kerk in mag en er rondjes loopt als wacht

en die heeft/had allerlei rare ziektes van 'straling' en ya di ya di ya


anyway... doubt it
Porque saber es comprender, saber perder,
dejar de ser, volver a ver, no enloquecer,
tener coraje de entender,
que pudo ser y no lo fue..
  woensdag 1 juli 2009 @ 01:56:15 #16
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de bijbel is heel duidelijk over het einde van de ark: hij is op zijn plaats verborgen.. vrij vertaald.. met andere woorden: hij staat nog steeds waar men hem achterliet. weet zo even niet uit mijn hoofd waar, maar dat staat wel in het oude testament. probleem is alleen dat verborgene.. om een tipje van de sluier op te lichten; de ark is net zo verborgen als God verborgen is.
"Ego is de god die de regels maakt vandaag. Waarheid is onbelangrijk,
beter dan de ander lijken is het ideaal." Lord of the String Oktober 2015
  woensdag 1 juli 2009 @ 08:27:13 #17
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aequat omnis cinis
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Onzin mag natuurlijk wegblijven uit deze topic!
Daher iſt die Aufgabe nicht ſowohl, zu ſehn was noch Keiner geſehn hat, als, bei Dem, was Jeder ſieht, zu denken was noch Keiner gedacht hat.
  woensdag 1 juli 2009 @ 08:36:02 #18
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 01:32 schreef koningdavid het volgende:
Wiki over de mogelijke locaties:
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Iets naar boven staat er ook nog eentje, het meer van Tiberias:
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In the Quran

In chapter 2 (Verse 248) children of Israel, at the time of Samuel and Saul, are given back 'Tabut E Sakina' (the box) which contains remnants of household of Musa and Harun carried by angels which confirms peace and reassurance for them from their Lord. It is mentioned in the middle of the narrative of the choice of Saul to be king. The Qur'an states:

“ And (further) their Prophet said to them: "A Sign of his authority is that there shall come to you the Ark of the covenant, with (an assurance) therein of security (Sakina) from your Lord, and the relics left by the family of Moses and the family of Aaron, carried by angels. In this is a symbol for you if ye indeed have faith. (Qur'an 2:248) ”

Islamic scholar Al Baidawi mentions that the Sakina could be Tawrat, Books of Moses or idol of emeralds and rubies [4]. According to Al-Jalalan, the relics in the Ark were the fragments of the two tablets, rods, robes, shoes, mitres of Moses and the vase of Manna [4]. Al-Tha'alibi, in Qisas Al-Anbiya (The Stories of the Prophets), has given an earlier and later history of the Ark.

According to most Muslim scholars, the Ark of the Covenant has a religious basis in Islam, and Islam gives it special significance. Muslims believe that it will be found by Mahdi near the end of times from Lake Tiberias
Een google-search daarop brengt me echter vooral bij Harun Yahya, en die staat niet echt bekend als een heel betrouwbare informatiebron. Of op z'n minst iemand met zo z'n eigen interpretatie.

Er worden nog wat Hadiths genoemd:
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The Hz. Mehdi will remove the Ark of the Covenant from Lake Tiberias. (Iqd al-Durar fi Akbar al-Imam al-Muntadhar, by Shaikh Jamaluddin Yusuf al-Damishqi, p. 51-a)

Other hadiths concerning the end times provide other place names for the location of the Ark. These separate place names may mean that the site is not known for sure and is perhaps under special protection for the Mahdi. (Almighty Allah knows best.)

The reason he will be known as the Mahdi is that he will show the way to a hidden thing. He will bring the Ark to light from a place called Antioch. (Suyuti, al-Hawi li'l Fatawa, II, 82)

The reason he will be known as the Mahdi is that he will go to one of the mountains in Sham. From there he will unearth the (true) books of the Torah and bring forth evidence against the Jews. (Suyuti, al-Hawi li'l Fatawa, II, 81)
De eerste staat ook als bron van Wikipedia, maar ik heb geen idee hoe betrouwbaar deze ahadith natuurlijk geacht worden.
Daher iſt die Aufgabe nicht ſowohl, zu ſehn was noch Keiner geſehn hat, als, bei Dem, was Jeder ſieht, zu denken was noch Keiner gedacht hat.
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Ik kan het zo ff niet vinden, maar waar wordt in het OT de ark voor het laatst genoemd (behalve de psalmen ed)? In 2 Kronieken ofzo?

Zag het bericht ook al op de EO-site, trouwens
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De betrouwbaarheid van bronnen rond dingen als de ark, de graal etc. is over het algemeen niet heel groot. Dat de ark in ethiopie zou zijn is ook al veel vaker beweerd. In ieder geval bestaat er daar een bepaalde cultus rond de ark, waardoor er sowieso een hoop replica's te vinden zijn.
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Op woensdag 1 juli 2009 09:28 schreef Haushofer het volgende:
Ik kan het zo ff niet vinden, maar waar wordt in het OT de ark voor het laatst genoemd (behalve de psalmen ed)? In 2 Kronieken ofzo?

Zag het bericht ook al op de EO-site, trouwens
In de bijbel wordt de Ark voor het laatst in Openbaringen genoemd.

Openbaringen 11:
19 Toen ging Gods tempel in de hemel open en verscheen daar de ark van het verbond. Er volgden bliksemschichten, groot geraas, donderslagen, een aardbeving en zware hagel.

Stop maar met zoeken jongens, hij is dus al in de hemel.
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Openbaringen gaan toch over de toekomst? Daaruit blijkt dus alleen dat de ark in de toekomst in de hemel is.

* vaarsuvius haalt de graafwerktuigen weer uit de schuur
Weg met de riooljournalistiek. Klik er niet op. Ze vergiftigen de maatschappij.
  donderdag 2 juli 2009 @ 19:33:31 #23
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grapzig ik meen ergens eens gelezen te hebben dat het woord hemel zoals het in de bijbel vroeger stond (hebreeuws welicht) eigenlijk toekomst betekent
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